MJ Estate Sends a Cease and Desist Letter to Katherine's Business Partner

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I wish the Estate lawyers all the best.

I think Kthriene is ready to believe anyone who is going to tell her anything about MJ ! if this man told hr he found evience against MJ, she will be ready to believe them...in Oprah interview she said she was told he is an addict in denail ! she was with him all the time and whe somone told her he was an addict , and that his nose looked ugy she believed them !

Just sad.
 
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Justnat, thanks for posting the LA Times article. There are some aspects of Mann's story that are confusing and I'm not sure why Mrs. Jackson would believe this character without solid proof. Mann claims British tabloids were offering him millions for an MJ related item in an effort to smear his name/legacy. The item has since been destroyed. Honestly, I just don't believe him. 1. Why mention this if the item has been destroyed and you won't say what it was which leads to people drawing conclusions. 2. So many people have gone through Vocarro's storage locker since the 1990's, including lawyers and Diane Dimond and the only item that hounddog Dimond could sniff out is an old pair of underwear. 3. I believe Mann somewhat extorted Mrs. Jackson, basically saying join me or else I will go to the tabloids. Mrs Jackson should have consulted her attorneys or authorities before venturing into any business agreement. They are using her and her name to give their business some legitimacy and perhaps stop Michael's estate from suing. If there were anything in that locker that could connect MJ to child molestation, Sneddon would have been on it years ago. If Mrs. Jackson decides to terminate this business agreement, this be become a big legal headache.
 
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I think Kthriene is ready to believe anyone who is going to tell her anything about MJ ! if this man told hr he found evience against MJ, she will be ready to believe them...in Oprah interview she said she was told he is an addict in denail ! she was with him all the time and whe somone told her he was an addict , and that his nose looked ugy she believed them !

you are so right.. Katherine sat through the trial if there was something there Sneddon would've used it. Mann is obviously a crook and a liar and Katherine had no business getting involved with him. Katherine spent time with her son supposedly a week before he died, did she notice a drugged out MJ? did she ask if he was taking anything? did she question his thinness? I am just totally disappointed with her. She obviously believed a lot of crap about her son and it's just so sad.. Mike had a huge family and if they all believed he was an addict in denial what exactly did they do to help?
 
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I think with the exception of Michael and PPB, the Jacksons are a disgrace. Ms. "Nose Toothpick" is a disappointment.
Amen

I think Kthriene is ready to believe anyone who is going to tell her anything about MJ ! if this man told hr he found evience against MJ, she will be ready to believe them...in Oprah interview she said she was told he is an addict in denail ! she was with him all the time and whe somone told her he was an addict , and that his nose looked ugy she believed them !
She'll do anything for money
Michael (and Janet) were successful at shutting down this site in '04, per court order. They again sued Universal Express (and in turn Vaccaro who still claimed ownership) in 2007 and were once again successful at preventing the sale of whatever items they didn't want sold; Universal Express tried to circumvent the agreement and the company ultimately crashed and burned--with its owner drowned in in fraud both in this case and many others, he went to jail. For those who know the whole story surrounding this collection (I had researched and investigated it at length several years ago) there is plenty of ammunition for the estate to go after the ownership if they so desire--especially going back to the very original case and the court orders which strictly forbade the removal of any MJ, Janet, or LaToya merchandise from the storage facility since they weren't part of the original case.

It upsets me tremendously that Katherine Jackson has been swindled into supporting the very site that Michael and siblings fought so hard to shutdown.



These "unreleased" music tracks that Vaccaro and Mann like to brag about are really just audio tracks from The Jacksons Variety Show mixed with other released material from the Jacksons. All of the tracks are protected by copyright and MJ's lawyer made it clear that it would be illegal for Vaccaro/Altomare to sell them back in 2007. There have been a few atrociously mixed tracks that Vaccaro put out there when he was trying to sell them, not counting the recent Destiny mix, and they were all horrible.



This must have been the 25-year-old Calvin Klein underwear that Diane Dimond visibly salivated over during the trial.



Not if the fan knows the back story behind the collection and how much Michael opposed it.
Thank you
 
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good to see the estate going after them. about time. whats the excuse for signing the kids upto this though.

After buying Vintage Pop, Mann approached Katherine Jackson to seek the family approval he felt was necessary before trying to sell merchandise to fans. He said he told her that he could provide regular cash payments with more ease than the estate, which was encumbered by her son's debt. He also told her that a British tabloid was offering him "seven figures" for a "particular item" from the memorabilia locker. Mann declined to identify the item or the publication but said it was clear the paper's goal was to smear Jackson's memory.

At the family's request, he destroyed the item and returned a box of other personal items to the family.

sounds like a P.R article on mann behalf. we all know why katherines gets an allowance. its nothing to do with mjs "debt" yet its always his fault.manns trying to make himself out ot be the hero when infact its probably the case that in the begining he blackmailed katherine to work with him and inreturn he gives back some of the things that he shouldnt have in the first place. then katherines goes along with it and uses the kids ontop. this has happened one to many times with katherine over the years from the koreans etc etc to this. if shes that stupid and niave where are her other children? of course they arent bothered cause at the end of the day the money she makes will prob go to them anyway. but the fact shes brought mjs children into this and is allowing them to be used show to me shes prob just as in on this as mann.
 
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you are so right.. Katherine sat through the trial if there was something there Sneddon would've used it. Mann is obviously a crook and a liar and Katherine had no business getting involved with him. Katherine spent time with her son supposedly a week before he died, did she notice a drugged out MJ? did she ask if he was taking anything? did she question his thinness? I am just totally disappointed with her. She obviously believed a lot of crap about her son and it's just so sad.. Mike had a huge family and if they all believed he was an addict in denial what exactly did they do to help?
Among other things this is how they 'helped'
#1 Bother the heck out of him to join his oldie brothers and do a 'family tour' with them
#2 Pressure the heck out of him, by making him pay for the lifestyle of 20 + people
#3 Steal money off of him,
#4 Withhold payments, wages and insurance fees

#5 Threaten to call press on him and create a huge scene if he didn't let them in.
A great support system indeed his so called family. No wonder why he was looking left, right and center to find other 'families' for himself and his kids. -_-
 
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No wonder why he was looking left, right and center to find other 'families' for himself and his kids. :sleep:
well said. no wonder they got issues with cascios. hit a raw nerve i guess
 
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Many years ago I read where Katherine said that the Jackson Five Motown contract contained a clause that gave a percentage of the income to all the Jackson children because she did not like the idea of some of her children being wealthy and others having nothing. It's posible that she still holds to that belief and she's financing all those grandchildren that live with her. Think about it, how is their health care, dental, clothing and other means being handled if their parents are not contributing financially? Why did the judge who handled her allowance from the Estate mention something about all the people living in her home?
 
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Many years ago I read where Katherine said that the Jackson Five Motown contract contained a clause that gave a percentage of the income to all the Jackson children because she did not like the idea of some of her children being wealthy and others having nothing. It's posible that she still holds to that belief and she's financing all those grandchildren that live with her. Think about it, how is their health care, dental, clothing and other means being handled if their parents are not contributing financially? Why did the judge who handled her allowance from the Estate mention something about all the people living in her home?
Then she should go get herself a job and distribute whatever money she'll get to her grandchildren. What she is doing now however is rip off her DEAD son, Michael was not and still is not responsible for the whole clan, these people got so many children they are like a tribe of their own, its not even funny anymore. Wanting to share Michael's money and wealth is not what Michael wanted and she has no rights whatsoever to do so. Why not go and bother Janet she's got enough money and she is dating a billionaire. They only seem to expect from Michael, Michael pays for everything, it's always about Michael's money, why not go to her useless sons Jermaine has made a fortune by doing ridiculous appearances and selling stories, these past 18 months, Randy has already stolen enough money during Mike's lifetime of him. She should tell them to fork up the bills for their own children. Alejandra's first three shared offspring are adults and can work for their money, there is no need to rip of minor orphans off their fortune.

In life not everyone's going to be equally successful nor have equal wealth, u have to work for whatever u get, Michael was destined to become successful whereas his brothers weren't. Michael's children and God bless them are destined to inherit their father's wealth, the cousins need to stay in their places, they will get whatever their parents may or may not have in due time, in no way are they entitled to Michael's wealth nor does Katherine have the right to spread Michael's wealth. She can give them whatever SHE has got, but not Michael's.
 
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Then she should go get herself a job and distribute whatever money she'll get to her grandchildren. What she is doing now however is rip or her DEAD son, Michael was not and still is not responsible for the whole clan, these people got some many children they are like a tribe of their own, its not even funny anymore. Wanting to share Michael's money and wealth is not what Michael wanted and she has no rights whatsoever to do so. Why not go and bother Janet she's got enough money and she is dating a billionaire. They only seem to expect from Michael, Michael pays for everything, it's always about Michael's money, why not go to her useless sons Jermaine has made a fortune by doing ridiculous appearances and selling stories, these past 18 months, Randy has already stolen enough money during Mike's lifetime of him. She should tell them to fork up the bills for their own children. Alejandra's first three shared offspring are adults and can work for their money, there is no need to rip of minor orphans off their fortune.

In life not everyone's going to be equally successful nor have equal wealth, u have to work for whatever u get, Michael was destined to become successful whereas his brothers weren't. Michael's children and God bless them are destined to inherit their father's wealth, the cousins need to stay in their places, they will get whatever their parents may or may not have in due time, in no way are they entitled to Michael's wealth nor does Katherine have the right to spread Michael's wealth. She can give them whatever SHE has got, but not Michael's.

Exactly Twinklee
 
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KJ's Biz Partner: Estate Doesn't Care About MJ's Kids
12/11/2010 8:30 AM PST by TMZ Staff

The man doing business with Katherine Jackson just thumbed his nose -- BIGTIME -- at the Michael Jackson Estate ... essentially saying they're just a bunch of lawyers who don't care about MJ's kids.


Last night Howard Mann slammed the Estate for the suggestion it's more invested in helping MJ's children than he and Katherine -- saying, "I would ask if the Estate has ever met those children, ever spoken to those children. To me it's a farce that they care about what happens to those children."

Mann was In Beverly Hills ... outside the "Unveiling of the Jackson Secret Vault Lithographic Collection" -- his ongoing business venture with Katherine -- and an event that prompted MJ's Estate to fire off a cease and desist letter.
 
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Met those children? More likely the Estate hating Jackson's won't ever allow them to meet the estate admins. Rather than that they bind minor children to a porn producer like Howard Mann, to hell with Mann

One day when these children have grown up, and become mature adults (it may not be at 18/21 or 25 but much later when their in their 30s or even older) they will be thankful for their dad's wisdom and knowledge of not letting those Jackson's run the estate.
 
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One day when these children have grown up, and become mature adults they will be thankful for their dad's wisdom and knowledge of not letting those Jackson's to run the estate.

Exactly twinklEE. It would be a disaster of epic proportions if he had. There would be no Michael Jackson Estate left when the kids became adults.
 
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so far from what i read, this new business parter isn't a rotten apple.

the estate can't do anything with a letter. i hope not...

sometimes these topics sound like a jackson family hate thread. As someone once said, Michael would never approve of all the hate directed towards his family.
 
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so far from what i read, this new business parter isn't a rotten apple.

the estate can't do anything with a letter. i hope not...

sometimes this sounds like a jackson family hate forum. As someone once said, Michael would never approve of all the hate directed towards his family.

Do you think MJ would approve of his mother selling out his kids to Oprah Winfrey? Do you think MJ would approve of his mother calling his nose a toothpick? Do you think he would approve of his sisters calling him a drug addict in denial? I'm quite sure MJ would not be too happy with his family right now if he could see what's going on.

More than likely, like he always did, he would be hanging out with the Cascio's or some other folks he befriended
 
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Agree. The family is clearly a disruption.
 
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Going by that L.A. Times article, I just have to ask, 'what the hell is Katherine thinking getting involved with this guy???':doh:

In a telephone interview, Katherine Jackson praised administrators John Branca and John McClain for doing "a very good job" managing the estate but criticized her monthly cash allowance of $7,000 to $8,000 as inadequate and said it left her dependent on Mann to cover her expenses.

"I wish they would leave Howard alone and I wish they would leave me alone for working with Howard. I'm not greedy like people say. It's need not greed," she said.

The estate disputes the suggestion that administrators are not meeting her living expenses. Weitzman, the lawyer, noted that the allowance was approved by a probate judge and said the cash payments were only one aspect of the financial support that administrators provided. The estate also paid off the mortgage on the family home in Encino and foots the bill for household staff, security, vehicles, food, tuition and vacations.

So wait, why can't her other children help to suppliment her income? does'nt she have a millionaire daughter especially? why does Michael's Estate need to be the sole supporter of her needs? going by whats listed it seems to me as though they are taking care of every damn thing financially, so what more does she need? I don't get this!
 
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I guess as fans all we can do is not buy anything from that man.
He openly says that he uses Katherine to get fans to believe and buy his stuff. That alone is wrong in so many ways that I hope fans won't buy anything from him.
It's almost insulting to us fans really.

Just reading his reaction to the Estate says it all really. Knowing his history regarding Michael doesn't hurt either.
The man doesn't seem to be trust worthy and I would not be surprised if he has indeed blackmailed the family into working with him.
Everytime I read something regarding him or that deal with Katherine it just turns my stomach for some reason. Something wrong is going on with that. Just my feeling.
 
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Going by that L.A. Times article, I just have to ask, 'what the hell is Katherine thinking getting involved with this guy???':doh:



So wait, why can't her other children help to suppliment her income? does'nt she have a millionaire daughter especially? why does Michael's Estate need to be the sole supporter of her needs? I don't get this!

exactly.. I said last year when Joe was begging for an allowance, why doesn't Janet support her father? It seems to me like Janet left MJ to support everyone in that household without lifting a finger. I remember reading some story that MJ said his family would always come to him and they never would ask Janet for anything. Such a shame.. I also wonder why Katherine hasn't asked Janet to allow the brothers to go on tour with her to make them some money. Wasn't Katherine and Joe convincing MJ to join the family reunion tour before he died? now that he's gone why hasn't Janet gotten her brothers on her tour dates?
 
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Do you think MJ would approve of his mother selling out his kids to Oprah Winfrey? Do you think MJ would approve of his mother calling his nose a toothpick? Do you think he would approve of his sisters calling him a drug addict in denial? I'm quite sure MJ would not be too happy with his family right now if he could see what's going on.

More than likely, like he always did, he would be hanging out with the Cascio's or some other folks he befriended

No, I don't think Michael would approve of that. But it's so easy for Oprah to take advantage of Michael's dear 80 year old mother. Katherine is also not aware of everything that is going on.

I hope Katherine doesn't feel that Michael broke her heart, because Michael would never want to do that. She told Michael, that if he ever died of drugs, it would break her heart.

And last, if we have Grace Rwaramba going around telling lies to the family, his mother and his children, then that's what's going to spread, LIES! I'm glad the finally banned her just as Michael did!
 
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Well if Katherine is naive and being taken advantage of why aren't her adult children watching over their 80 year old mother? Rebbie, Jackie, Tito or someone should step in to save their mother from being taken advantage of.
 
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Stace let it be, there is no use in talking to conspiracy theory lovers. ;)
 
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Well if Katherine is naive and being taken advantage of why aren't her adult children watching over their 80 year old mother? Rebbie, Jackie, Tito or someone should step in to save their mother from being taken advantage of.

They really can't do anything. We need to go after the big guys. This is heading into conspiracy, so I'll stop here.

I don't know if they told katherine to keep that episode a secret or what. because when Randy found out, he was furious. Again, Katherine is old and it's so easy to manipulate her. I'm sure if Randy knew about this before, he would have tried to stop it, with the limited power that he has.

And you complain about Oprah exploiting his children, when there are some fans bashing Michael's family like you guys while posting pics of Michael's children all over the internet. Hypocritical, when you think about.

Stace let it be, there is no use in talking to conspiracy theory lovers.

Conspiracy theory lover? Well, then if I were, I should leave this board and just join a conpiracy forum.

Over here, I'm a Michael lover, and I defend him. Nothing more. Nothing less.

twinklee, you are a member of MJJF. Don't they look into Michael's conspiracies too in order to properly investigate? It does not make sense what you say. Funny how a lot of "conspiracy theory lovers" as you call them, were invited over there to MJJF......
 
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I don't get it. How is it that crooks can get up on this woman in the first place? Did this family not learn anything from this tragedy with MJ? What has to happen for them to finally wake up to shady outsiders?
 
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I don't get it. How is it that crooks can get up on this woman in the first place? Did this family not learn anything from this tragedy with MJ? What has to happen for them to finally wake up to shady outsiders?

Good question.. I don't get it either.. Randy claimed to not like the folks his parents are associating with but he's doing absolutely nothing about it.
 
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I don't get it. How is it that crooks can get up on this woman in the first place? Did this family not learn anything from this tragedy with MJ? What has to happen for them to finally wake up to shady outsiders?
The key is money. For money they do everything, for money Katherine and others, are ready and willing to bind MINOR KIDS to a guy who has strong connections to the PORN INDUSTRY, a guy who is a porn producer.
What happened doesn't matter it's cash in time now for them, and it has just begun, prepare urselves for even more shady ventures and deals, and even more questionable contracts signed by Katherine and Co.
 
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The key is money. For money they do everything, for money Katherine and others, are ready and willing to bind MINOR KIDS to a guy who has strong connections to the PORN INDUSTRY, a guy who is a porn producer.
What happened doesn't matter it's cash in time now for them, and it has just begun, prepare urselves for even more shady ventures and deals, and even more questionable contracts signed by Katherine and Co.

yup ,anything for MONEY
 
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In a telephone interview, Katherine Jackson praised administrators John Branca and John McClain for doing "a very good job" managing the estate but criticized her monthly cash allowance of $7,000 to $8,000 as inadequate and said it left her dependent on Mann to cover her expenses.

Source: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-ca-michael-jackson-20101212,0,2867570.story

I thought Katherine was getting 26,000 a monthly allowance and not $7,000/month as she claims in the LA Times article. She also went to court 3 months ago to ask for an increase... see link http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/23/kathe...e-probate-case-judge-order-katherine-jackson/

These are Katherines expenses per month according to court documents from september 2009:

- Assistant: $4,722
- Insurance for Asst: $475
- Housekeeper: $2,080
- Driver: $2,000
- Payroll and Taxes on gross salaries: $1,760
- Utilities: $3,260
- Clothing: $3,500
- Personal grooming: $1,000
- Entertainment: $1,500
- Car Expenses: $1,750
(plus a few other expenses that are not listed).

I dont know if this has been subjected to changes

but one thing the article forgets is that the Korean newspaper is getting a portion from Katherine's allowance due to the previous lawsuit. So it's not that estate is paying her low amounts, it's because there's a judgement against her. With all the information coming out I wouldn't be surprised if that newspaper also goes after the money she gets from her deal with Howard Mann.

So when Katherine claims in that LA Times article shes only getting $7,000-8,000/month.. is that because of the Koreans? Is that why she cant get her totalt $26,000/month because a large part of that amount goes to pay the Koreans?
 
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Either that or she is lying, to justify her business relationship with Mann.
 
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