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As per MJJC admins' decision I'm opening a new thread regarding Neverland possibly being auctioned within few week. I know that some members may disagree on this news 'cause court papers were obtained by FoxNews but they are indeed official court papers and the news now has being made public also by AP Press, Reuters and other news agencies.
I'd suggest members who don't agree with this thread to not even comment on this news.

That said I personally hope Mr. Jackson's camp will find a solution to this matter.

Thanks.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/26/jackson.ranch.ap/index.html

Jackson ranch may go to the highest bidder

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch will be put up for sale at a public auction next month unless the pop star pays the more than $24 million he still owes on the property, according to a Tuesday court filing.

Financial Title Co. filed the notice of trustee's sale with Santa Barbara County Superior Court, setting the auction date for March 19.
A spokeswoman for Jackson did not immediately return a call for comment.
Julie Wagner, a manager at the San Francisco-based title company, confirmed that Jackson's property was set for auction.

Court documents obtained by Fox News warn Jackson that he has until the date of the auction to take action to keep his lavish Los Olivos estate.


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(CNN) -- Pop star Michael Jackson will avoid foreclosure on his Neverland Ranch property with a new loan, a Jackson insider told CNN Wednesday.

Michael Jackson owes millions of dollars on his sprawling property in the Santa Ynez Valley in California. Documents show that Neverland Ranch in Los Olivos, California, is scheduled for a public auction on March 19 at Santa Barbara's downtown courthouse.



But the Jackson source said that won't happen.
"Michael Jackson's ranch is not going to be auctioned off at the courthouse," the Jackson insider said. "The financing is all being worked out."
"There are plenty of lenders willing to work with him. The real estate market is very bad right now and Jackson is being affected just like many other Americans," the source said.
The Santa Barbara County Recorder's Web site lists a "notice of trustees sale" by Jackson and his property lenders, Financial Title Company, filed Monday.
In California, title companies typically represent lenders in foreclosure cases.

A notice of trustees sale cannot be posted earlier than 90 days after a notice of default is filed. That notice is not filed unless a loan is in substantial default, sometimes six months or more past due.
A real estate source inside Santa Barbara County said the trustees filing is only the first step in a long process that could drag on for months.
The real estate source said other options are available to Jackson, including selling the ranch directly to another party or making a payment on his $24.5 million Neverland debt that would satisfy the trustee.
The recorder's Web site also reveals there was a release of lien on Jackson on February 4, showing he paid off all or part of delinquent taxes to the state of California.
"It seems unlikely that someone would pay off back taxes, only to let the ranch go up for auction a few weeks later," said the real estate source.
Jackson has not lived at Neverland since June 2005, after a Santa Barbara County jury found him not guilty of child molestation charges.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/02/27/jackson.foreclosure/?iref=hpmostpop
 
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Re: Neverland MAY be auctioned on March 19, 2008

Originally posted by MJJChichi:

Why are people (including the mods) burying their heads in the sand?
Mike owns money on the property and hasn't paid. FACT
If Mike doesn't pay, then he will lose Neverland. FACT.
If Mike really wanted to get rid of Neverland and start again, he could have sold it himself after the trials. He could have demolished the buildings and sold the land for development. he could have developed the land himself. There were options open to him. The fact that it has come to this is embarassing for him and shows to me that he really wanted to keep the property for himself. No doubt when the sales is finalised there will be people crawling all over it to uncover all kinds of secrets and sell loads of stories to the press. This will be a very rough time for Mike and the fans - expect lots of nasty stories!!
I don't understand why he didn't get out there making money long before now. Sure, he has just released Thriller and it is doing better than most people expected, but it's been years since the trial and he could have released a brand new album by now. He could have performed a few concerts to earn money. He could have done interviews. there were so many ways to raise money that he hasn't taken advantage of. It is very strange to me.
The situation is real, so lets stop trying to bury our heads in the sand.
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First off, the 'Mods' are not burying thier heads. They are acting in the capacity that they are supposed to. The Moderators are performing exactly as they are expected to. Michael's financial issues are always a touchy topic. Any discussion related so closely with his personal life becomes a hot button. Things tend to get heated and order is quickly lost. Which is why his financial matters are a stipulation in the MJJC's guidlines ...
MJJC rules & regulations said:
3. Mr. Jackson’s health will not be a topic of
discussion here, nor will invasive personal
discussions of his finances and children be
permitted. All pictures of MJ's children must
receive approval from the MJJC Mods and
Admins.
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Second, what Mike could of, should of, ought to have done or what we feel we would have done, is not relevant to anything. None of us have to live his life. We are not subject to the choices that he is forced to make or not make. By all accounts, Michael's 'Neverland' has passed away. When something dies, even if it is only an ideal or a dream that is gone ... it is still a loss. There would be a period of mourning. Along with that usually comes a period of denial. You do not want to believe what has happened, has actually happened. Things are not straight in your head ... you are not thinking clearly and when all is said and done, you realize that you could have acted differently. Or so you think. Truth be told, you acted the way you had to, in order to survive the situation in a sane manner.

None of us have a 'Neverland' to lose, sell or continue to maintain. It is not fair for us to ask 'why?', when we know nothing of the intimacy that is involved in it.

Think of a loss in your life. A family member dies and you are left with all that they had. Everything that they had gained in their lifetime. The home that they furnished with the things that remind everyone of that person. Walking in a room sparks memories of the times you shared with them. Each piece of brick-a-brack tells a story. The lawyers want it all sold at an estate sale. Family members all want, what they want. Everyone is laying a claim to something. However, it is you that must decide. The history of this beloved family member is in your hands. Nothing can go forward without your say so. What is it that you will do ?? ...

Your instinct is to keep it, as it is. Preserve it and the cherished memories that it holds. You want it to stay the way your loved one had it ... it is gonna cost money though. Part of you says, 'just sell it, they are only things. It makes sense to sell it, just do it.' Still, you cannot actually bring yourself to take the action that makes the most sense, in your head. Because your heart is telling you otherwise. A year goes buy, your loved one is still gone, the house is still in your care and everyone is pounding at your door. They all want what they think/feel is due to them but the fact remains, that you are not ready to let go. The truth is, it's a year after the death of your loved one and you have yet to displace one item in their home. All is still as they left it, over a year ago. You have not dealt with the loss at all. Cut to another year later, same situation but now the other family members are just plain pissed off. They are over any loss and simply WANT the $$$. Now you have had two+ years to remove anything that you want to keep but you haven't. You were holding onto the memory as it was, you did not want it to be over. Now the lawyers are in on the action with the family members. Things progress and issues are pressed. You fight back to retain things as you have them but in the end a court sees fit to determine otherwise. It is out of your hands now, the choice to let go has just been made for you. You have to immediately deal with the loss that you have been in denial of for years.

"oh i should have just done this ... why didn't i do that ... now I am losing everything that i was holding dear ... if I had only thought and done this or that ..."

The could of's and the should of's are not and WERE not an option. Your mind set was where it needed to be, in order to deal with the things, the way you were ready to deal with them. And unless you have a time machine, none of it really matters anyway.
 
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I hope Michael doesn't lose Neverland then again at the same time i think it would do him the world of good i mean hes basicly wasteing his Money keeping it if he doesn't live there anymore and if he does lose it he could make a better Neverland than the current one
 
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^ thank you guys.. and I just hope with whatever happens, Michael gaines from it in someway..

This Neverland thing has been going on for so long, I want this to finally go to rest..

It's a sad situation but it is just a property at the end of the day..
 
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I hope Michael doesn't lose it but is able to take control of this situation.
 
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KOPV said:
^ thank you guys.. and I just hope with whatever happens, Michael gaines from it in someway..

This Neverland thing has been going on for so long, I want this to finally go to rest..

It's a sad situation but it is just a property at the end of the day..
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no it's not just a property... not for Michael, I'm pretty sure....
 
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I want what is better for him.
If he loses or not, just he knows waht is better!!!
God bless you MJ!!!
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soo..this thread is back.:no:

all i have to say is this story has been repeated for years...

i don't get why people don't see that it's not true...

i guess people do want heat in threads...

and..pls..about documents...they said this would happen in january..and before january...so...

u know..i give up.
 
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Michael will make his own decisions on what takes precidence in his life and wether to save neverland or not isn't a choice we truely know anything about. We don't know his business or his thoughts so anything that can be derived here are based on the facts outlined in the court papers and pure spectulation.

My thoughts - Neverland is a place, it's some rides, a few buildings, the magic that made it special and everything else is gone. Without Michael Neverland is just a piece of property. Why mourn for what has already passed ages ago?

The magic and our love is with Michael - he made Neverland special - everything he did, the joy he brought to many and the love found there at one time was all from Michael. So my love is not bound to a place but the man who makes the magic :wink:
 
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Michael Jackson himself said it's just a property to him now.. He said that he could never call NEVERLAND home again. after the raid.


U know what.. I'm going to buy it and give it to Michael.. umm! wait, I don't got that money.. I would like to though.
 
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KOPV said:
Michael Jackson himself said it's just a property to him now.. He said that he could never call NEVERLAND home again. after the raid.
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yeah, this is how he felt then... would you blame him?
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i love MJ myself. my comments about Neverland are what they are, and my love is not rooted in a place. and...i know people like to say 'don't comment then'...nobody is capable of that...no one likes to be censored..

i just it's just getting harder and harder to be on a forum without feeling that some thread will come up, that is desingned to get people in a position to be thrown out of a forum...it's not like we can control the passion that these subjects bring up, even tho some think we can...

remember..Santa Barbara is notorious for their ruses. just because there's a document, doesn't mean it's legitimate. there are crooked people over there. it's been more than proven.

and this story is like 'the boy who cried wolf'. it's been repeated enough over the years for me to believe that it's a lie. it's amazing how if u believe something that comes out of MJ's mouth, you're called a 'loon'. but if you believe something that comes out of the mouths of these people in Santa Barbara..you're 'cool'.
 
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Of course not blame him...

When I say it's just a property.. I mean that litarally.. Yes it means a lot to Michael.. It means a lot to us fans.. It represents Michael Jacksons spirit. I believe this.. But, in worse case, it's sold.. well, it's just a property..

Michael still has Michael... It's not the worst thing that could happen. Michael faced that all ready, if he can handel that, he can handel this easily..
 
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... this place taken by a stranger... I can't help but it saddens me...
sorry that I feel this way.....
 
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I think, he should start a new era and without Neverland...A grown up era.
 
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Don't feel sorry for feeling that way.. I am right there with you.. It would sadden me very much if it did get taken.. I'm simply trying to spread a strong mesage, that would not get everyone depressed over it..

Everything is going to be fine, believe me. Positve will come out of it either way it goes down. Keeps or it gets sold, great positives are waiting ahead.

4 REAL
 
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vncwilliam said:
i love MJ myself. my comments about Neverland are what they are, and my love is not rooted in a place. and...i know people like to say 'don't comment then'...nobody is capable of that...no one likes to be censored..

i just it's just getting harder and harder to be on a forum without feeling that some thread will come up, that is desingned to get people in a position to be thrown out of a forum...it's not like we can control the passion that these subjects bring up, even tho some think we can...

remember..Santa Barbara is notorious for their ruses. just because there's a document, doesn't mean it's legitimate. there are crooked people over there. it's been more than proven.

and this story is like 'the boy who cried wolf'. it's been repeated enough over the years for me to believe that it's a lie. it's amazing how if u believe something that comes out of MJ's mouth, you're called a 'loon'. but if you believe something that comes out of the mouths of these people in Santa Barbara..you're 'cool'.
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That is not the reason this thread was placed here.

Hopefully, everything will work out so that Neverland remains Michael's Property. I think that is what we all would like to happen. The truth is, none of this is within' any of our power.

Regardless, there is no reason for this to divide us or cause us to bicker.
 
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Personally, I think this is another grandstanding by our good buddy RF. I say let him eat a WHOLE LOT of CROW when MJ finally gets this put behind him. And I am sure that will happen.
 
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it would be nice to see MJ fans line up at Neverland surrounding the gates and beyond, (on the day of auction) holding signes.. NEVERLAND WILL ALWAYS BE YOURS... etc.. 'Neverland is a state of mind'.. etc..

MAN I wish I could be in cali at that time.. I would plan and make it happen..

Hope someone will take this idea and DO IT..
 
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KOPV said:
Don't feel sorry for feeling that way.. I am right there with you.. It would sadden me very much if it did get taken.. I'm simply trying to spread a strong mesage, that would not get everyone depressed over it..

Everything is going to be fine, believe me. Positve will come out of it either way it goes down. Keeps or it gets sold, great positives are waiting ahead.

4 REAL
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thanks KOPV:D
 
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LindaC781 said:
Personally, I think this is another grandstanding by our good buddy RF. I say let him eat a WHOLE LOT of CROW when MJ finally gets this put behind him. And I am sure that will happen.
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I agree. But something is up.
This is why I never ask Mj to tell me what he is doing with regards to his album. There is a reaqson whjy MJ makes the people working with him keep i quiet. They havebeen doing this for years. It is very likely that they had it planned but he outsmarted them this time, but every efforet is being made right now to sabbotage MJ's come back plan. Evil has no bounds.
 
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Datsymay said:
I agree. But something is up.
This is why I never ask Mj to tell me what he is doing with regards to his album. There is a reaqson whjy MJ makes the people working with him keep i quiet. They havebeen doing this for years. It is very likely that they had it planned but he outsmarted them this time, but every efforet is being made right now to sabbotage MJ's come back plan. Evil has no bounds.
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exxxxacctttlly..

every every time that MJ comes out with something new....these news stories come up. exxxxaccttttllyy..that's my point.
 
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U know, Sony could buy the property.. they could make money off of it, and Michael could benifit.. IDK what you guys think of this.. But if Sony buys it Neverland can stay alive long after MJ.

It could remain MJ's house now, then 50 or somethin' years from now it could be a NEVERLAND home, where people can come and enjoy the Neverland experience. Keeping it the same way it was when Michael lived there, keep his presence alive.

Michaels share of the property, and the money it recieves after he's gone could go straight to his children making sure they always have a good financial foundation no matter what happens.
 
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KOPV said:
it would be nice to see MJ fans line up at Neverland surrounding the gates and beyond, (on the day of auction) holding signes.. NEVERLAND WILL ALWAYS BE YOURS... etc.. 'Neverland is a state of mind'.. etc..

MAN I wish I could be in cali at that time.. I would plan and make it happen..

Hope someone will take this idea and DO IT..
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