MJ's Team Shutting out & Blockin the Family?

Note bolded portions of this Associated Press story about Tohme. He says "I fired some people from the Nation of Islam." That indicates that he had the power to hire and fire Michael's staff.

He says he was paid NOTHING?

He said he was working with others to renegotiate the terms of Jackson’s main assets, his share of the Sony-ATV Music Publishing Catalog. What does that MEAN?????

“I am not in the music business. I’m a stranger to this business,” Tohme said, noting that he had stiff competition from others who wanted to take over Jackson’s finances. So HE was the one who "took over?" Even though he had no experience in the music business?

He (Michael) wouldn’t interfere with my business decisions. Whoa! Michael was not collaborating on his OWN business decisions?

He said he was convinced that Jackson was in perfect health the last time he saw him, two days before he died. So he WAS there two days before Michael died, but after he had been fired!

He said he is disappointed that Jackson won’t be buried at Neverland but hopes that may change: “He deserves to be buried in the wonderful world he created.” As a partner in Colony Capital, Tohme had a financial interest in Neverland's being made into a theme park. Michael said, MANY times, that he never wanted to return there.

In Jackson’s final months, Tohme said they talked about his wish to create “a special place ten times bigger than Graceland” where fans could come to see Jackson’s memorabilia and awards. Doubtful. This makes absolutely NO sense, when the "memorabilia and awards" were scheduled to be auctioned off in an auction that Tohme set up, and ultimately it came out that Michael did NOT want that.

And he remembered Jackson’s last words to him that day: “I love you.” Right. I very, VERY seriously doubt that.

And finally, Tohme HIMSELF said, "
I built a fence around Michael to keep people out." I now have sufficient answers to the topic of this thread. Tohme said, "I BUILT A FENCE TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT!


AP Interview: Michael Jackson adviser Dr. Tohme Tohme breaks silence to talk about his friend
By Linda Deutsch, AP
July 4th, 2009
AP Interview: Jackson adviser Tohme breaks silence


LOS ANGELES — Dr. Tohme Tohme vividly remembers the first time he met with Michael Jackson to discuss the pop star’s finances. It’s not the money talk that stays with him now, but his enchantment at entering Jackson’s world of love.


“I saw how kind he was and what a wonderful human being,” Tohme said in an interview. “I saw him with his children and I had never seen a better father. … I decided to do what I could to help him.”
Tohme, a financier with a murky past, had been contacted by Jackson’s brother, Jermaine, who asked if Tohme could help to save Jackson’s beloved Neverland ranch from foreclosure. Tohme said he traveled with Jermaine to Las Vegas, where Jackson was living after years of wandering the world following his acquittal on child molestation charges.


They bonded instantly. “For the last year and a half I was the closest person to Michael Jackson,” Tohme said. He contacted Tom Barrack, the chairman of Colony Capital and a close personal friend. “He was hesitant to get involved, but I said, ‘Let’s go see Michael,’” Tohme recalled.


After the meeting he said Barrack, who was impressed with Jackson’s “intelligence and focus,” bought the note for Neverland. But that was just the beginning of a business relationship that culminated in the London concerts that were to have begun next week.


Wearing a suit with no tie, Tohme, Jackson’s last business manager and spokesperson, granted his first interview Friday to The Associated Press in the office of a lawyer friend.


Tohme, listed in public records as being in his late 50s, has been portrayed as something of a mystery man in the Jackson brain trust. “I hate the words ‘mystery man,’” he said. “I’m a private man. A lot of people like the media and I don’t. I respect the privacy of other people but lately nobody respects mine.”
As he spoke, his cell phone rang constantly. He took only a few calls, one of them from Jesse Jackson.
He has been stung by allegations that he was involved with the Nation of Islam, which he said was untrue.
“I have nothing against anybody,” he said, “But I don’t know anyone from the Nation of Islam. When I took over Michael Jackson’s affairs, I fired some people from the Nation of Islam.


It is known that he is of Lebanese descent. His double name — pronounced toh-MAY’ — is not uncommon in the Middle East. But he declined to go into detail about his own life and career other than to say he is a U.S. citizen who was raised in Los Angeles and, “I’m a self-made man. I’m in the world of finance.”
“I don’t want to talk about me,” he said. “I’m a nobody. I’m not important. I want to talk about Michael Jackson.”


At times he appeared on the verge of tears as he discussed Jackson’s death, saying, “It’s unbelievable … I’m devastated … God bless his soul.”He said that by talking about Jackson, he was fulfilling one of the star’s wishes. “He always said to me, ‘I want people to really know who I am after I’m gone.’”
He would only briefly discuss Jackson’s finances. During his time with the superstar, Tohme said, he was paid nothing but was able to negotiate lucrative business deals that would secure the future of Jackson’s children. He followed a long line of business managers and spokespeople who had come and gone from Jackson over the years. In the final year, he said he played a pivotal role in turning things around.
His negotiations for Jackson included a Broadway show with the Nederlander organization, an animated TV show based on “Thriller,” a line of clothing including “moonwalk shoes,” and more. He said he was working with others to renegotiate the terms of Jackson’s main assets, his share of the Sony-ATV Music Publishing Catalog — which includes music by the Beatles — and the catalog of Mijac, the company that controls Michael Jackson’s own music.
“I am not in the music business. I’m a stranger to this business,” Tohme said, noting that he had stiff competition from others who wanted to take over Jackson’s finances.
I built a fence around Michael to keep people out,” he said, acknowledging that he cut costs by firing many members of the Jackson staff, including security guards. And he twice fired the children’s nanny, Grace Rawaramba, on Jackson’s orders. “I was trying to do what we could to maximize his profits and minimize spending. I wanted to find a way to reel in all the loans he had.


“We had an agreement,” Tohme continued. “I would never interfere with his creative decisions and he wouldn’t interfere with my business decisions.” Tohme said he abandoned everything he was doing in his own life to concentrate his time and effort on Jackson’s affairs. He points with pride to the crown jewel of his and the new Jackson team’s efforts: the contract with AEG for concerts at the 02 arena in London.
He said Jackson was looking forward to the concerts because he wanted his children to see him perform.
Like others before him, Tohme was caught up in the excitement of Jackson’s world. He traveled with him to London, where they saw the play “Oliver” and were mobbed by fans. “I had never seen fans who loved anyone so much and he loved them just as much,” Tohme said.


Tohme uses the title “Dr.” and apparently has a medical degree, though there is no record that he has practiced in the United States. He said he was convinced that Jackson was in perfect health the last time he saw him, two days before he died. He said the star kept himself and his children on a healthy diet, never ate red meat, didn’t drink and, as far as he knew, never took drugs.


He said he is disappointed that Jackson won’t be buried at Neverland but hopes that may change: “He deserves to be buried in the wonderful world he created.” In Jackson’s final months, Tohme said they talked about his wish to create “a special place ten times bigger than Graceland” where fans could come to see Jackson’s memorabilia and awards. Jackson even talked about creating a veritable city for children.


“He wanted to be remembered as a great human being and he wanted to create as many happy places for the children of the world as he could,” said Tohme.


The day Jackson died, as Tohme rushed to the hospital unsure if his friend was alive or dead, he said he remembered precious moments: Jackson bringing his children to Tohme’s house for Thanksgiving dinner; Jackson and his children singing “Happy Birthday” to Tohme on the phone; the last time he saw Jackson at Staples Center, rehearsing for his big comeback.


And he remembered Jackson’s last words to him that day: “I love you.”


http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/07/...reaks-silence-to-talk-about-his-friend-13922/
 
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This has been very interesting. I'll leave the thread now because I have an answer. The topic was about people "blocking and shutting out people" from Michael's life. It's now confirmed that Tohme had the power to hire and fire staff. Additionally, Tohme said:

I BUILT A FENCE TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT!

Michael HIMSELF said in that taped phone call:

"I don't like him. I don't trust him. He's mean. He's trying to keep me and separate me from everything and everybody I love."

Michael didn't even LIKE Tohme, and he was being cut off from people that he loved. This is even worse than I thought. But yet Tohme, who was NOT a friend by then, wouldn't go AWAY even after he was fired?

There is much more, of course, in the above article and in Tohme's own words, but. . . yeah. Thanks, Moddie, for starting the thread. Got it.

Carry on,

Vic
 
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I find it extremely troubling, still, that it was not a close family member who told the children about the most important and devastating event in their lives. . . . .

me and my friend talked about this when we found out he told them. why wouldnt dileo wait until a family member arrive to tell them that? i get he is close and the kids probably did have a relationship with him but a family member should have been there. not just nannies

and there isnt alot of FACTS being stated right now because we barely have any facts. nothing substantial is being released. no police reports that actually have info in them. or shit we already dont know from just being fans. or someone in the family saying. the police arent sharing any information with the public. the news that is being reported are guesses at their best ability.

No one knows for sure what was taken out of the house that day. its all speculation. Toya may have seen air tanks, there is no proof that she didnt. alot of these news reports that are coming out arent really reliable becasue everything seems so hush/hush and there are so many tabloids.

its obvious thome was still in the inner circle. but why? if MJ was so afraid of him. think the police have the tapes but just arent letting the public know. i really hope this goes to trial so we will atleast know what was happening during his last days. and what lead to this some type of answers.
 
“We had an agreement,” Tohme continued. “I would never interfere with his creative decisions and he wouldn’t interfere with my business decisions.”

So Michael would allow Thome to manage his estate however he wanted, and Michael agreed he would not interfere with how Thome managed MJ's own estate when Thome makes his own business decisions. Whatever decision Thome made, Michael already knew he had no say.

And yet, according to June, he goes to her complaining about Thome as if it is all a surprise to him.

I don't know about anyone else, but that does not sound right to me.

Thome is a LIAR, just like sneddon. He's a cold man and he never cared whether Michael's ass was dead or alive. Just like what Michael said about Sneddon, Thome too "don't do half what he say".

I heard that dr. thome isn't even a real doctor. and isn't an ambassador for the country of Senegal like he claims.
 
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Thome is someone that I just dont trust at all. Its lie after lie after lie and the missing money and everything else with it, this is a guy that should have never been around in the first place. Too many people in Michael's life were out for themselves when they should have been out for Michael. It was too much 'what can I gain from this' and not enough 'what can we do to help Michael.'
 
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http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/8887

Latoya also claims during the late evening (roughly 11pm) of the day of Michael's death, Tohme (according to Mr. Jackson and former Jackson promoter Leonard Rowe, AEG brought back all the people Michael dismissed) fires all of the staff at the Beverly Hills property

i found a report on an interview with kai chase from late july. she said that staff were told to leave the property at 1.30pm by security guards:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6732477.ece

...At about 1.30 p.m. she said security guards told her and other staff to leave the property because "Mr Jackson was being taken to the hospital."

When she came outside, she said, ambulances were in the courtyard and a crowd had gathered.

according to this report it was security guards who told staff to leave at around the time the ambulance left for the hospital. this is seperate from what la toya said, that staff was fired by tohme in the late evening.

i wonder if guards decided this on their own. maybe amir(?) told them to clear the house of staff when the ambulance left. as someone here suggested it could have been considered a security risk to leave staff at the house unattended while everyone else was at the hospital.

i still find this strange though. did all guards leave with the ambulance? why didnt some stay back at the house with the rest of the employees? did they already know/guess mj was dead at the time? if they didnt know, they would have assumed the kids and the nanny and possibly mj himself if he felt better would all come back from the hospital in the evening.
 
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i found a report on an interview with kai chase from late july. she said that staff were told to leave the property at 1.30pm by security guards:



according to this report it was security guards who told staff to leave at around the time the ambulance left for the hospital. this is seperate from what la toya said, that staff was fired by tohme in the late evening.

i wonder if guards decided this on their own. maybe amir(?) told them to clear the house of staff when the ambulance left. as someone here suggested it could have been considered a security risk to leave staff at the house unattended while everyone else was at the hospital.

i still find this strange though. did all guards leave with the ambulance? why didnt some stay back at the house with the rest of the employees? did they already know/guess mj was dead at the time? if they didnt know, they would have assumed the kids and the nanny and possibly mj himself if he felt better would all come back from the hospital in the evening.

true. and about that story of security being tripled the night before. i wonder who it was that ordered everyone to leave, the newer security?

i just wonder...i mean triple the security on the exact night michael was secretly being overdrugged with medication to his death...sounds too coincidental.
 
yeah he fired him but he was still in contact with him , he saw him two days before his death .

MJ on the tape not saying Tohme is going to kill me , he was basically saying I don't know the man very well , he is taking over everything , I better hire someone beside him who I know , i call this a wise business man talking .

he isolated him from his attorneys and accountants , from everything we have heard throughtout the years , his attorneys and accountants never failed to steal from him , even Ron Burkle asked MJ to start signing every cheque himself to know where the money was really going .

who were the attroneys ? McClain ? we saw what he did after Mj died, the guy encouraged Katherine to go after the executors and costed the estate more than 1 million in legal fees for what ? to be named an executor . these were the type of people Tohme tried to distance mj from , and after his death I can't blame him at all .

allocco, the one who is suing MJ's estate now for 300 millions because mj did not participate in the reunion concert , allooco who sighted 'Frank being a manager for the jackson family is a common knowledge in the business industry" as an argument Mj was entitled to perform with the brothers .

Allooco who had a hotline with Harvey of TMZ in may , talking all kind of shit about mj .

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Alloco or the alikes are innocent babies! lol
But well when you go on TV and say something like that you at least risk being sued in such a situation if it's not true.
Still AGAIN those ppl you mention are not innocent babies and with many of them I'd feel more like they would sell their own granny if only the price is right. Entertainment business... better get ready for sharks than for gold fishes I guess.

But in that similar direction I'd say Thome is playing his own league still.

Starting with... nobody knows where he really came from... and probably soon it will be... nobody knows where he really went.

Yep ppl can blame Michael for leting Thome and alikes into his life too easily. It was his decision. Well he's dead.

Thome will most likely live a happy and even more likely very wealthy life somewhere... just my feeling. Of cuz everybody is free to disagree.
 
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i found a report on an interview with kai chase from late july. she said that staff were told to leave the property at 1.30pm by security guards:



according to this report it was security guards who told staff to leave at around the time the ambulance left for the hospital. this is separate from what la toya said, that staff was fired by tohme in the late evening.

i wonder if guards decided this on their own. maybe amir(?) told them to clear the house of staff when the ambulance left. as someone here suggested it could have been considered a security risk to leave staff at the house unattended while everyone else was at the hospital.

i still find this strange though. did all guards leave with the ambulance? why didnt some stay back at the house with the rest of the employees? did they already know/guess mj was dead at the time? if they didnt know, they would have assumed the kids and the nanny and possibly mj himself if he felt better would all come back from the hospital in the evening.

thank you for the link, the bodyguards went with MJ to the hospital , all of them , according to report immediately after MJ was moved to the hospital two SUVs full of bodyguards arrived at the hospital

The paramedics spent 43 minutes at the house, I'm sure when they asked Murray to declare MJ dead and he refused the bodyguards knew MJ was dead .






Update 8:53 PM Greg Strank, a detective with Los Angeles Police Department's robbery and homicide unit, told journalists gathered outside Michael Jackson's house that the media shouldn't read anything significant into officers from his unit being on the scene. "We investigate deaths every day," he said, adding that the high profile nature of the case led the the LAPD chief to have his unit secure the scene and conduct an investigation. He wouldn't answer questions beyond the time the police were notified, at about 1:00 PM Los Angeles time, and the time the cultural icon was pronounced dead, 2:30 PM Los Angeles time.


so the police were notified an hour and half before mj was declared dead, it answers alot of questions then .

The staff were asked to leave the house ( were not fired ) at 1.30 pm by security guards who also moved to the hospital with the ambulance.

MJ was pronounced dead.

late at night AEG released everyone from their jobs , LATE that night after the police left . what were they supposed to do other than that ?

AEG is suspect because they released the employees HOURS after MJ was PRONOUNCED dead , but no one blamed his family members , they were the very next day moving everything out of that house . Is Janet a suspect too ?

Toni Braxton said something interesting :

How did you feel when you heard about the death of Michael Jackson?

Gosh it was very surreal to me, I heard about his passing before the press did because I’m with AEG and so was Michael Jackson. When I found out I didn’t believe it because I’m a huge fan. I remember when I first met him; he came over to me which was a really big deal. We were at a charity ball and he came over to me and said, ‘Toni Braxton oh my God I love you, your voice is so incredible, so androgynous – it’s so unique. Breathe Again is my favorite song, let’s take a picture together.’ Of course I was like, ‘it’s Michael Jackson!’ Years later he called me on my phone and introduced himself but I was like, ‘yeah right please like that’s Michael Jackson’ and put down the phone! Then his assistant called and was like, ‘no seriously Toni – it’s Michael Jackson’, when he called back I was like ‘Michael I’m so, so sorry’ and he said: ‘everyone does that, I’m used to it!’
http://tvoneblogs.com/thespin/?p=5435

so they told Braxton MJ died before the media knew , was Braxton part of the conspiracy ? Just saying
 
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KING: The day he died, tell us how you first learned.

DILEO: I was having lunch at the Beverly Hilton. And I got a phone call from a fan who was...

KING: A fan?

DILEO: A fan who said, Frank, do you know there's an ambulance in front of Michael's house?

And I said, no, I don't, but I'm going to look right into it. And I hung up. I called Michael's assistant. And I said -- his name is Michael, also.

I said Michael, is there an ambulance at the house?

He said, that's what I heard. He said, I'm on my way. And I said, well, I'll be there in one second. I went in to get my ticket for the car. And I called Randi Phillips and said look, you're closer...

KING: Randi of...

DILEO: AEG.

KING: Right.

DILEO: I said you're closer to Michael's house than I am at this moment. Go there right away, I'll meet you there. Drove there, the ambulance had already left, asked Randy. He turned around. I came from the other direction. I went to pull in, they said, Frank, he left. I said where did he go? To the hospital. I drove to UCLA.

KING: What was the scene like? Where were the children?

DILEO: The children were in another room down the hall. They brought Randy and I back. We were the first two people there. And they were working on him in the room.

KING: They were still working on him?

DILEO: Yes.

KING: He was alive at that point?

DILEO: I don't know. I said to Randy, geez, I think he's alive. We have a shot here he'll be OK. When the nurse came out and I looked at her and she looked at me, I almost fainted.

KING: Because she said --

DILEO: She just looked at me and said he's not going to make it. He's gone. But we'll keep working on him until his mother gets here.

KING: Who finally told you he was dead?

DILEO: That nurse did.

KING: You had to tell the children?

DILEO: I had to tell Katherine first. And I told her with a doctor and a social worker. And it was pretty emotional. She grabbed me and cried and we hugged and cried together. And then I had to tell the children.

In the meantime, I called Joe Jackson in between. But he'd already known. I gave him my sympathy, and I went in and told the children.

KING: How do you do something like that? No experience is there?

DILEO: No, I've never lost somebody like that. It was very difficult. I went in with a social worker and a doctor. And just had to say -- they knew, they knew. And they got up and I said, I'm sorry, but your father's passed away. And they hung on to me for a while. We all cried.

MJ was pronounced dead at 2:26 pm , the doctors at UCLA worked on MJ for 45 minutes , Frank and Randy Philips knew before that he was already dead because before he was pronounced dead she came and told them he's gone , that's why AEG knew before anyone else MJ was already gone .

DILEO: No, I've never lost somebody like that. It was very difficult. I went in with a social worker and a doctor. And just had to say -- they knew, they knew. And they got up and I said, I'm sorry, but your father's passed away. And they hung on to me for a while. We all cried

these words caught my attention , what made them believe their father was already gone? I think they knew because they heard the bodyguards and paramedics talk at the house .

another important thing , the police not the medical staff DID ask murray to stay , but he run .
 
Two things seem odd tome.

1. That Frank was the one to tell Michael's family.
2. That Jermaine and Thome made the announcement of Michael's passing. Every other time I have seen an announcement of some one dying at a hospital, it has been a hospital spokesman who makes the announcement.
 
because Frank was the first one to arrive , and he has known the family for so long , why is it odd?

as for jarmaine and tohme , Tohme obvioulsy was no longer MJ's manager but he had some sort of authority, he was still close , he was with mj two days before his death , jermaine is a media whore he would not have missed the opportunity to be the focus of the whole world and refused to allow a hospital spokesman to announce the news .
 
This has been very interesting. I'll leave the thread now because I have an answer. The topic was about people "blocking and shutting out people" from Michael's life. It's now confirmed that Tohme had the power to hire and fire staff. Additionally, Tohme said:

I BUILT A FENCE TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT!

Michael HIMSELF said in that taped phone call:

"I don't like him. I don't trust him. He's mean. He's trying to keep me and separate me from everything and everybody I love."

Michael didn't even LIKE Tohme, and he was being cut off from people that he loved. This is even worse than I thought. But yet Tohme, who was NOT a friend by then, wouldn't go AWAY even after he was fired?

There is much more, of course, in the above article and in Tohme's own words, but. . . yeah. Thanks, Moddie, for starting the thread. Got it.

Carry on,

Vic


You are very Welcome Victoria83!!!!!!!!!

And Thanks for all of the reports on Tohme. I didn't know half of the stuff he has been quoted as saying. I knew he was bad news though...

Since the 90's we have been recieving reports and hearing info in the press about members of Michael's team blocking and shutting out people from him, it has gotten far worse in recent years, how any fan who truly wants the truth about his murder revealed; are NOT ABLE to see the answer to the question of this thread is mind blowing.

In the last months, weeks and days of Michael Jackson's life, the people around him were closing in on him and not allowing access to him, these creeps wouldn't even get him to a real doctor when he told them he wasn't feeling well.

And hours later he would be Murdered...
 
Michael HIMSELF said in that taped phone call:

"I don't like him. I don't trust him. He's mean. He's trying to keep me and separate me from everything and everybody I love."

no , she said he told her that . It was a quote . we heard what he said , he said that man was taking over everything , I don't know him that much I better hire someone I know to be with him and report to me what's was happening . He did not say I don't like him , he is mean ...etc . He said it was not wise to give someone he did not know that much power . at that point that call was made , no deal was signed with anyone, Tohme did not have that much power over MJ, Colony capital were not part of MJ's world , nor was AEG , what would have prevented MJ from kicking his ass .

after all at that point there was not even a suit filed by the Prince of Bahrain . the call was made in Septemeber the suit was filed on 19 November .

I just love people to really investigate before they make claims .

MJ was not bound by anything to keep Tohme as a manager at that point .
 
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Randy Phillips asked MJ if he wanted to perform at the

02 in 2007, so we know that the idea was there at least

that far back.
 
Since the 90's we have been recieving reports and hearing info in the press about members of Michael's team blocking and shutting out people from him, it has gotten far worse in recent years

...

In her book, Latoya said to have difficulty reaching MJ

in the 80s after Thriller when Frank Dileo was the manager.
 
Obviously Frank had an insight regarding them , look what Latoya did later .

By the way Frank was fired in 1989 because Katherine and joe asked him to convince MJ to do a concert in Korea , apparently at the time they along with jermaine received money, millions infact and agreed to do a family concert there , Katherine then called MJ to tell him about it and he said he would never perform with the siblings again and asked her to never bring the subject again , so she and joe contacted Frank and promised him something , he went with the offer to MJ and the very next day MJ fired his ass .

the company which gave them money filed a lawsuit against the family and later against MJ, they claimed joe. Katherine and jermain conspired to do fraud and cheated them out of their money . They sued MJ because he owed the family home and the company claimed the parents sold it to MJ incase someone succeeded in suing them , it was only a legal way to avoid giving people the money the family fraudulently took from them

They lost the case against MJ , Joe, Katherine, jeramine got a judgment against them, they filed for bankruptcy and after MJ died the company renewed their case against Katherine and they would be first in line to receive money when she starts to get her 40% of the profits from the estate .

There was always a tension between the family and Frank, because the siblings did not believe it was MJ's orders Frank was following when he did not allow them near MJ , later they knew it was mj's decision because many managers came and gone but the same strategy was enforced keep my family away at any measures .
 
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Michael Jackson -- Lien on Me
Posted Aug 5th 2009 2:44PM by TMZ Staff


Open the floodgates -- the creditors are getting in line for a piece of the action in the Michael Jackson estate case.

Segye Times -- a South Korean newspaper

-- won a judgment against Katherine, Joe and Jermaine Jackson, along with the Jackson Record Company, back in 1994. The suit claimed the newspaper paid the family $5.5 million for a series of Jackson family concerts in 1989 that never took place.

A judgment was entered for $4 million. Segye Times now wants $7,865,730.78 -- interest is a bitch!

It's interesting that Michael was not sued personally. Nonetheless, under the category "better late than never," Segye wants the estate to pay up.

Stay tuned...



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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EI..._9/ai_18267218/

Michael Jackson Sued; Jackson Family Home May Wind Up In Hands Of Creditors In Fraud Suit

Business Wire, May 9, 1996


SANTA BARBARA, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 9, 1996--The Los Angeles County mansion where pop star Michael Jackson grew up and his parents still reside may wind up in the hands of a Korean newspaper after the Jackson family lost a $4 million lawsuit for fraud and theft, according to attorneys for the newspaper.

Attorneys for the Segye Times of Seoul, Korea, late yesterday filed a lawsuit in Santa Barbara County Superior Court against Michael Jackson to take ownership of the home of Joseph and Katherine Jackson. The ownership is legally listed in Michael Jackson's name.

The lawsuit alleges that "Katherine, Joseph and Michael conspired to hinder, delay and defraud the Jackson parents' creditors."

The suit claims that the legal title to the family's mansion at 4641 Hayvenhurst Ave., Encino, was transferred into Michael Jackson's name, while the parents continued to reside there, so that creditors, such as the newspaper, could not collect their debts.

The lawsuit contends the Jackson family mansion actually belongs to Michael Jackson's parents and that the family is playing a "legal shell game" to keep the home from being taken from creditors, according to Edwin Bradley, an attorney for the Segye Times.

In February 1994, the newspaper's attorneys obtained a trial judgment finding that defendants Mr. and Mrs. Jackson, Jermaine Jackson and promoter Kenneth Choi, had wrongly taken concert money advanced by the Segye Times, a major Korean daily newspaper.
The judgment against the defendants was for $2 million in actual damages and $2 million in punitive damages.

The basis of the lawsuit was that the newspaper paid a $5.5 million advance for a concert by Michael Jackson and the Jackson family. The money was placed into what the newspaper believed was an escrow account. However, according to the lawsuit, the defendants took $2 million of the advance to purchase gifts and make cash payments to themselves and extended family and staff; the concert never took place.

The ownership of the Jackson family mansion has exchanged hands within the Jackson family numerous times over the past decade, according to the lawsuit, all in an attempt to keep creditors from collecting debts.

The suit alleges that Mr. and Mrs. Jackson "embarked upon a scheme and course of conduct to divest themselves of legal title of the Hayvenhurst property, while retaining the equitable and beneficial ownership" of the mansion.

In 1983, Mr. and Mrs. Jackson purportedly conveyed to their son Michael a 50 percent interest in the property, retaining the other 50 percent ownership in their name. Then, later that same year, Mr. Jackson purportedly conveyed his remaining 25 percent interest to his son.

In 1987, Mrs. Jackson purportedly deeded her remaining 25 percent interest to daughter LaToya Jackson. In 1990, Mrs. Jackson sued her daughter to return her 25 percent interest because that interest "was in jeopardy as community property and subject to loss in the event of any adverse litigation involving other family members."

In 1993, a deed was recorded in which Mrs. Jackson "who previously conveyed to (and withdraws from) LaToya Jackson, as nominee only, an undivided 25 percent interest" and then purportedly conveyed that interest to her son Michael as "nominee only."

The lawsuit seeking ownership of the Jackson family mansion for the Segye Times newspaper alleges that "in making the transfers... Katherine, Joseph and Michael agreed and knowingly and willfully conspired between themselves to hinder, delay and defraud Katherine and Joseph's creditors, including Segye, in the collection of their claims against Katherine and Joseph."

The lawsuit was filed in Santa Barbara County because that is where Michael jackson now resides. For a copy of the lawsuit or more information, call Kerosky & Bradley at 415-777-4445

CONTACT: Christopher Kerosky or Edwin Bradley, 415/777-4445

Gary Hill, 805/963-1453

see 1989 , at the same time Frank was fired , it was because of joe and Katherine , no wonder he was still not so fond of them
 
Soundmind, I remember all this now, and thanks for posting. Amazing how this same crappola has come up again and again? Michael did NOT want to perform with the family. Why would he? It's amazing how many people have signed contracts in Michael's name, that he had no idea about or did NOT want to do? Quite the happy (big) family, now isn't it?
 
But MJ said no and no over and over and over , no one could have forced him to do anything at anytime, Michael Jackson did what Michael Jackson wanted to do . I doubt Tohme would have forced MJ to sign a deal with anyone when he did not want to be part of it . what I posted just proves how twisted his family was and how many times they screwed him over , and how come anyone believe any word that comes out of their mouths is beyond me . interventions???????????? what interventions Randy and Janet ? the interventions to force him to stop pursuing a legal action against Randy's friends . God my blood boils each time I read or hear that word 'intervention'

this article just proves he was not blocked from his family , even on the tape he did not say i was blocked from my loved ones like that woman that was invited to the funeral for obvious reasons claimed. he said I had no contact with my lawyer and accountant , after his death we saw what his lawyer McClain did , he certainly did not deserve 1% of the praise we poured on him before MJ's death . opportunitists and leeches .
 
@Soundmind i def. agree with you on, MJ doing what he wanted to do..couldnt nobody force that man to do what he didnt want to do. (dont know about everything else regarding the family but that doesnt matter and thats not gonna help us) i believe the interventions happened, imagine the stress that he was going thru after the trial. i pray they attempted an intervention. But Soundmind you bring a lot of really important information from totally different angles

MJ wasnt talking to most of his family members so they probably didnt even know that thome was not a manager anymore (well jermaine) thats probably why thome was parading around the hospital giving interviews while dileo was with the family. and jerm wasnt giving up the chance to speak to NOBODY
 
The interventions stories started only after MJ denied the family access in the beginning of 2007 after he came back to the US , the brothers already signed a deal with Leonard Rowe in March 2007 to do a reunion concerts and album , they expected him to join hem and never expected him to refuse because they believed he felt obligated after they supported him during the trial , Randy wanted access to ask him to drop charges against his friends . MJ refused to answer anyone , and when that article was published in which MJ accused randy of conspiracy , randy with his big and empty head was determined to get back at mj and contacted roger to write the article on his state of mind and drug and alcohol abuse . and probably when the brothers became really desperate to meet him and he refued they confinced themselves MJ must have been on something and it was not their greed that put him off .
 
The auction was scheduled. Expensive catalogs were printed, and it was moving forward. Tohme had set it up. Michael "seemed to be" on board with it. Then he suddenly seemed to comprehend that the entire contents of Neverland were being sold, right down to the gates. He reacted strongly to stop it, even to the extent of saying in a court document that he was being ROBBED! So what happened? Tohme had Power of Attorney and could sign contracts as if he was Michael. That's what POA means. Clearly something went terribly, terribly wrong there that led to Tohme's firing. Was Michael "forced?" Or did Tohme misrepresent to him what was actually going to happen? That was a dark time for Michael, for sure. He came within a inch of losing precious belongings that he did NOT want to sell.

I thought the auction was ill-advised and extremely strange when it was first announced. It seemed to be moving forward, but it was more like an "estate-sale" that happens after someone has DIED. I recall being very, very worried. Then Michael went to the courts to stop it. It was very iffy that he even would be able to get it stopped. There were photos of his children, and art-work, and awards. Basically the stuff of his LIFE. He managed to stop it and Tohme was out. Still would like to know what, exactly, happened and under what circumstances.
 
The auction was scheduled. Expensive catalogs were printed, and it was moving forward. Tohme had set it up. Michael "seemed to be" on board with it. Then he suddenly seemed to comprehend that the entire contents of Neverland were being sold, right down to the gates. He reacted strongly to stop it, even to the extent of saying in a court document that he was being ROBBED! So what happened? Tohme had Power of Attorney and could sign contracts as if he was Michael. That's what POA means. Clearly something went terribly, terribly wrong there that led to Tohme's firing. Was Michael "forced?" Or did Tohme misrepresent to him what was actually going to happen? That was a dark time for Michael, for sure. He came within a inch of losing precious belongings that he did NOT want to sell.

I thought the auction was ill-advised and extremely strange when it was first announced. It seemed to be moving forward, but it was more like an "estate-sale" that happens after someone has DIED. I recall being very, very worried. Then Michael went to the courts to stop it. It was very iffy that he even would be able to get it stopped. There were photos of his children, and art-work, and awards. Basically the stuff of his LIFE. He managed to stop it and Tohme was out. Still would like to know what, exactly, happened and under what circumstances.

I remembeer that. It was you on here who said something like "this is the kind of thing that happens when a person dies" and other fans were saying the auction was no big deal.
 
I remembeer that. It was you on here who said something like "this is the kind of thing that happens when a person dies" and other fans were saying the auction was no big deal.

Yeah. I found it strange too. Very strange. I mean he was selling his personal letter from President Ronald Reagan!! :bugeyed And his AWARDS!! :bugeyed:bugeyed < (yes, that was my real expression) I remember, when I read he was selling those awards, I thought, we gave those to Michael, and for him to just sell it! It didn't make since, because if Michael wouldn't even set his award on the floor for one second, why would he go and even sell it?

Seriosuly, wouldn't anyone know that Michael would not want his personal awards sold??? Unless, they didn't really give a damn, since they knew Michael wouldn't be around for much long.

Tohme had set it up.

But then he sent a letter to Julian's Auction stating "there will be bloodshed" if Michael's personal items aren't returned to him. He didn't apologize for a mistake he made or anything. So this whole part confused me.
 
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I remember that. It was you on here who said something like "this is the kind of thing that happens when a person dies" and other fans were saying the auction was no big deal.

Yes, I DID say that. I do remember that some fans thought it was great, that he was "divesting" and essentially starting over. I couldn't see that then, and even less so, now. There were photos of his children. . . those children he'd tried so hard to protect from the public eye? Why would he DO that? (turns out, he wouldn't) There was art-work, and there were awards, and gifts from fans, and other things that were part of his legacy. To see them at auction would mean that his material legacy -- the belongings of the world's greatest entertainer -- would be dispersed. That made NO sense to me. That sometimes happens after a person dies, in an estate sale, and that alarmed me.

When that auction news started up, I became very concerned and wondered WHAT was going on behind the scenes? I believe I posted to that effect. Then there was that strangeness of threats to the auction house. Michael filed court papers saying he was being "robbed." His language was VERY strong. To me that whole mess indicated some major disarray was going on behind the scenes. I became very worried for Michael's well-being, because of it.
 
Thomas Barrack jr. bought Michael out of losing his ranch.
(the note he bought Michael out of was not only about the ranch but all what's in and on the ranch).
However soon afterwards Michael was allowed to move all his stuff out and away.

Around the same time Thome got Michaels closest advisor and everybody else lost connection to Michael.

Around the same time R. Philips (Thomes brother in law for some time) got in after being turned down for... no not even getting through to meeting Michael as he wasn't interested in performing at all for years. R.P. tried at least to my knowledge since 2007.

Around the same time he almost lost his ranch Michael Jackson changed his mind from never performing again into negotiating and finally agreeing into 10 shows at the O2 in London.

Then the concert numbers was risen from 10 to 50 by Thome and Philips.

Almost same time an auction almost took place with all stuff Michael moved away from Neverland by Thome -well he says he was fooled into it- and Juliens.

Then Michael fired Thome and hired Frank DiLeo.

TII movie material was filmed around that time.

Then Michael was killed.
 
Mechi the originl contract was released and it says mj agreed originally to 31 shows , so here goes he only agreed to 10 shows
 
Mechi the originl contract was released and it says mj agreed originally to 31 shows , so here goes he only agreed to 10 shows

yep you are right and so correct the number to up to 31... hmmm yeah and never more than 3.5 performances in a period of 7 times... yeah right?!:scratch:
yep I've found the contract and I'd very much like to read what's all blacked out! *grin* but yeah... here it is: http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/AEG%20contract.pdf

However the dates given to fans for booking that time out there were first 10 and then risen to 50 correct? and as I recall it there wasn't much of a break like first rising it to 31 and then rising it to those 50 dates... to me as a fan maybe doing a reservation they were actually and factually risen from 10 to 50... and sheeeesh I honestly admitt I've felt better than 10 times Christmas... that time... not now thinking back though.
 
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