If he did not turn the fireplaces on , the coroner would have been able to determine when MJ died based on rigor mortis .
Yes. There is no ONE, fact here that leads to a definitive conclusion. But, there are a number of facts that form a pattern. It would seem that Murray was trying to confuse the coroner.
It is known among forensic scientists when the temperature is so high or so low , you can no longer depend on rigor mortis to determine a time of death . That was Murray's point , to make whatever conclusion the coroner reached less credible .
Yes, that is likely.
Alvarez was there in that room , he would testify whether he saw any IV attached to MJ , he would testify whether there was any IV bags or IV tubes there . Also the paramedics were there , they will testify to what they saw .
Alvarez might be the key to a lot of things. He'd worked for Michael for a long time. He may have had genuine caring for him. I do know that he tried, several times to talk to police, and they would not talk to him. (there are links. I'm tired now, though. Someone else can look them up if you want?)
Yeah you might suggest someone framed murray and put everything in his bag , for what reason ? He was clearly the one giving it , he admitted he gave it , he clearly CLEANED the scene , he told them where to find the bottles , and as you always remind us he talked with them for three hours , he was probably asked why he felt he had to remove everything from the room , and he probably gave a screwed up explanation as usual.
There is so much we do not know. I have no facts about whether Murray was or was not "framed," and neither does anyone else here. The crime-scene was not secured until that evening, which amounts to no crime-scene at all? Therefore, the "evidence" is largely circumstantial. In terms of FACTS, we do not really know WHO "cleaned up the crime-scene." We can assume that it was Murray, but we really do not know.
No, Murray would not be able to blame the police , he was the one who tampered with the evidence , he can't claim others did it , and the police did not secure the scene . the police did their job , he told them he gave him only lorazepam , they came they only discovered PILLS . They did find flumazenil , he made sure it was there infront of them , but it would be interesting to know where did they find the empty propofol bottle. I have no doubt Murray did not notice it, it was a mistake like the beads , we shall see where exactly it was found .
See above. We don't really know who cleaned up the crime-scene. There are a multitude of people who could have come and gone. Because of that, regardless of how much we discuss it, the physical evidence is likely not admissible in court, or at least, it can be questioned? The LAPD should have secured the crime-scene immediately, but they did not.
remember the syringe with traces of propofol lidocaine and flumazenil was the last syringe he used to give propofol , and it was found in his bag . so clearly he had no intention to tell them he gave propofol .
Right. He omitted that critical fact. He did not tell the EMTs that he had given propofol. That was absolutely important, and he did not say it
As this thread goes on, and on,
I want to go on record here to say that I do not ACCUSE anyone, nor have I ever accused anyone in particular. I simply ask questions, because none of us know what really happened.
There is so much that makes no sense. Did Murray act alone? That seems likely given what we know now. Am I SURE of this? NO. I am not. None of us are sure of that.
If the truth, whatever it is, is ever to be known,
I don't think it will be from what or what was not found in this or that I.V. tube. It will come from
witnesses. Alvarez? Maybe. Prince? Maybe. Others? Maybe. The truth, whatever it is, will come from PEOPLE. We should never discount the love that so many had for Michael. He lived in a houseful of PEOPLE, and it is these people who will bring us resolution. I certainly hope so.
Where are the security tapes from that fateful day? Are they truly GONE?
