Official MJJC Support Thread - Japanese Tsunami

Yes, terrifying.

What we NEED is for the TEPCO CEOs to be the ones to go IN there and do the sampling, and point the water-hoses at the melting reactor cores.
 
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What we really need now is a whistle-blower like in the movies ...

Talking about movies - this is a docudrama ("Der erste Tag" - "The First Day") available in French and German about a fictional accident in a nuclear power plant near Austria:

http://videos.arte.tv/de/videos/der_erste_tag-3783540.html

There is also this book by journalist John Hersey:

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The most important story of the twentieth century - a portrait of six survivors of the atomic bomb written a year after the explosion. Forty years later, the reporter finds his interviewed. The atomic bomb killed 100,000 people in the Japanese city of Hiroshima in August 1945. That day, after a silent flash, and a tower of dust rose fission fragments in the sky over Hiroshima, dropping drops huge - the size of marbles - the terrible mixture. A year later, the story of John Hersey reconstituted the day of the explosion from the testimonies of six survivors. Forty years later, Hersey returned to Hiroshima and wrote the final chapter in the history of the hibakusha - people affected by the bombing. Hiroshima allowed the world became aware of the catastrophic destructive power of nuclear weapons.
 
Fukushima yesterday:



But hey, everything is under control! Isn't that obvious? :doh:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,752944,00.html

America's Atomic Time Bomb
Hanford Nuclear Waste Still Poses Serious Risks


The disaster at Fukushima has raised questions around the world about nuclear safety. But contamination is much worse in the Pacific Northwest of the United States. The former plutonium plant in Hanford, Washington is one of the most contaminated places on earth, and still decades from being cleaned up.

The lambs were born without eyes or mouths. Some had legs that had grotesquely grown together; others had no legs at all. Many were stillborn. Thirty-one were lost in a single night.

On a pasture nearby, a cow was found dead, stiff and with its hooves bizarrely stretched up into the whispering wind. Down by the river, men of the Yakama tribe pulled three-eyed salmon from the Columbia. Trout were covered in cancerous ulcers.

And then the babies started getting sick.


More at link.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...en-for-workers/2011/03/27/AFsMLFiB_story.html

The number of workers at the Daiichi plant fluctuates from day to day, ranging between 500 and 1,000. But Tepco employees account for only a part of the labor force. Last Tuesday, for instance, there were 700 people at the plant, a nuclear agency official said. The figure included 500 Tepco employees, 100 subcontracted workers, and 100 members of Japan’s Self-Defense Forces or the Tokyo Fire Department.

One subcontracted worker who laid cables for new electrical lines March 19 described chaotic conditions and lax supervision that made him nervous. Masataka Hishida said neither he nor any of the workers around him was given a dosimeter, a device used to measure one’s exposure to radiation. He was surprised that workers were not given special shoes; rather, they were told to put plastic bags over their street shoes. When he was trying on the gas mask for the first time, he said, the supervisor told him and other subcontractors, “Listen carefully, I’m only going to say this one time,” while explaining how to use it.

When Hishida finished his work shift, an official scanned his whole body for radiation. He came up clean, except for the very tip of his beard. He was sent into a shower where he lathered up and scrubbed his beard. He was tested again and passed.

A few days later, still worried about the extent of his radiation exposure, he trimmed his beard.
 
Now they found plutonium in the ground of the Fukushima complex. Downplaying it though, saying there is no health risk. Plutonium is not only radioactive, but also highly toxic. The samples are from a week ago. Who knows how much plutonium they'd find today.

Plutonium has a half life of 24,000 years. They really give future generations something to remember us by.
 
Several updates :

From french public agencies, IRSN and ASN
:

IRSN today 8am CET (12 hours ago) in french : http://www.irsn.fr/FR/Actualites_pr...Seisme-Japon_Point-situation-28032011-08h.pdf

ASN (public agency for nuclear safety) : today 10 30 am :
in french http://www.asn.fr/

IRSN and ASN confirm that the water comes from the reactors. Confirming a breach in the tank and the shell or a leak from some pipes that go from the reactors to other parts of the plant. That could be either reactor 2 or 3, or both.

They base this on the highly radioactive water (1000 mSv/hour for reactor 2, 750 mSv/hour for reactor 3) + the levels of pressure measured within the reactors. In case of an emergency , the maximum dose Japan allows for nuclear workers in case of a nuclear accident is 250 mSv/year. This maximum dose was re evaluated for the Fukushima workers, it was lower before the accident.

ASN is saying that based on the info they have , they can not confirm the integrity of the shell of reactor 1

the "good" news : the pools and the reactors are now cooled with fresh water, sea water is not used any more. The temperature in the pools seems under control. Irsn is still worried about a possible leak in pool of reactor 3.

ASN : the environment is likely to be contaminated in areas further from the plant than originally thought. French government will check 100% of the food imported from Japan, airlines have been requested to check radioactivity on all the goods imported from Japan (ASN expects very low radioactivity if any, in goods other than food).

From the news :

Plutonium has been found in 5 different places in the plant. There is not much plutonium, but the fact that there is some is disturbing.

Some of the radioactive water is probably going to the Pacific .

Tepco is trying to pump the water from the machine rooms, and it is likely they will throw this water into the ocean, because no one knows what to do with it.

Japan has officially called several french companies for help (maybe they called other countries, the news here only mention the french companies) : Areva, EDF (both French Tepco), and the CEA (commissariat à l'énergie atomique) = public agency in charge of developping nuclear use for public or commercial use.
Personal note : calling CEA for help is calling people who are doing research about nuclear things.

Areva and EDF had offered help before, they were turned down, although Areva's CEO confirmed 2 weeks ago that there were contacts between Tepco technicians and Areva technicians. At the time she said that in spite of these contacts, Areva didn't have a clear idea of the situation.

Now Areva is sending robots to Fukushima. I remember hearing Areva's CEO saying that these robots had been suggested 2 weeks ago, but not "needed" at the time.

Comment from an expert : this situation is unprecedented , it is not 3 miles island (the melt down had been contained within the shell) , and too different from Chernobyl. Chernobyl was one explosion, now we're probably talking of massive leaks into the ocean, leaks into the atmosphere, and if the melted fuel goes through the shell and concrete, massive contamination into the ground.
 
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Hi bouee!

Now Areva is sending robots to Fukushima. I remember hearing Areva's CEO saying that these robots had been suggested 2 weeks ago, but not "needed" at the time.

Yeah, right, as long as you can send in workers and blame THEM if something happens to them ... who needs robots.

In Germany, the people have spoken:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12880732

"The dreadful events in Japan, the nuclear accident in Fukushima and the consequences for us in Germany: these were the most decisive topics in this state election," FDP leader Guido Westerwelle told supporters.

...

The Greens were able to take advantage of a wave of hostility towards nuclear power. On Saturday, Germany witnessed some of its biggest ever anti-nuclear demonstrations.

More at link.
 
Hi bouee!

Hi Milka !


Yeah, right, as long as you can send in workers and blame THEM if something happens to them ... who needs robots.

This. And admit you have a problem, and accept help when you need it.


In Germany, the people have spoken:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12880732

"The dreadful events in Japan, the nuclear accident in Fukushima and the consequences for us in Germany: these were the most decisive topics in this state election," FDP leader Guido Westerwelle told supporters.

...

The Greens were able to take advantage of a wave of hostility towards nuclear power. On Saturday, Germany witnessed some of its biggest ever anti-nuclear demonstrations.

More at link.

:clapping:
 
from greenpeace :

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/ne...en-evacuation-area-around-fukushim/blog/33981

Our team of radiation specialists in Japan brought back their findings for the day.
The press release says it all:
Fukushima, March 27, 2011: Greenpeace radiation experts have confirmed radiation levels of up to ten micro Sieverts per hour in Iitate village, 40km northwest of the crisis-stricken Fukushima/Daiichi nuclear plant, and 20km beyond the official evacuation zone. These levels are high enough to require evacuation.

“It is clearly not safe for people to remain in Iitate, especially children and pregnant women, when it could mean receiving the maximum allowed annual dose of radiation in only a few days. When further contamination from possible ingestion or inhalation of radioactive particles is factored in, the risks are even higher.”

There was a Greenpeace rep on the news and she said that :

Plutoniom is harder to find : you need to take samples and analyse them in a lab. I takes some time.

Plutonium is very very toxic, even small amounts are toxic

One of the emergencies now is to help Japan evacuate a further area around Fukushima (40 to 60 km radius). Greenpeace is still measuring radioactivity there.

She was quoting the ASN, the ASN said that the people who were evacuated will probably not be able to come back to their homes.
 
She was quoting the ASN, the ASN said that the people who were evacuated will probably not be able to come back to their homes.

I posted this a couple of days ago:

Ghost city Chernobyl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpoVzAArUN0

And no, the people who lived around Fukushima won't be able to return to their homes. The only question is what radius around Fukushima will remain uninhabitable, probably for decades or, depending on the kind of radioactive material, even for thousands of years.
 
from greenpeace :

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/ne...en-evacuation-area-around-fukushim/blog/33981



There was a Greenpeace rep on the news and she said that :

Plutoniom is harder to find : you need to take samples and analyse them in a lab. I takes some time.

Plutonium is very very toxic, even small amounts are toxic

One of the emergencies now is to help Japan evacuate a further area around Fukushima (40 to 60 km radius). Greenpeace is still measuring radioactivity there.

She was quoting the ASN, the ASN said that the people who were evacuated will probably not be able to come back to their homes.

Are they even TRYING to evacuate? As long as they deny there is a problem, doubtful that they'll address it or help anyone avoid radiation exposure?

And how can ANYONE be working around the reactors now, with radiation levels 100,000 above "normal?"

There is still almost no REAL information coming out of Japan, sadly.
 
There is still almost no REAL information coming out of Japan, sadly.

And that's not even a Japanese thing, they'd do exactly the same in all other countries. One of the reasons is that it is impossible to evacute tens of thousands of people or even millions (in this case Tokyo). That is the sad truth. So everybody living near a nuclear power plant, in a radius somewhere between 0 - 150 km (or even more, depending on wind direction and the kind of accident) lives with the risk of an accident happening and NO way to get away from it or not soon enough. They'd cause a mass panic by admitting the truth (of course there are many other reasons for not telling the truth, but when something like this happens, they have no way to save the people living in the affected area). I didn't call nuclear power plants "killing machines" for nothing ...

At least they are admitting now that the crisis will go on for a long time:

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Fuku...onths-or-years-to-return-to-normal-21135.html

The vice-president of TEPCO, Sakae Muto, said he did not know "how many months or years it will take" for Fukushima to return to normal.

Gives us enough time to learn. In theory.
 
The Japanese seem to be clueless about how "radioactive material" is getting into the environment? A grade-school child would be able to figure that out! It's a "colander effect." Clean water IN, to cool the fuel rods, and radioactive water OUT, as it leaks through cracks in the containment.

There has been another earthquake off the coast of Japan. A 6.3. No tsunami expected.

This seems endless.

Oh, and locally? In my town on the east coast of the U.S.? My local news channel website had a short blurb this morning saying, "the radioactivity HERE will have no effect on human health." But then? They tell us NOT to drink water from rain-barrels or cisterns, because it's more "concentrated." I'm sure that we, in the U.S., are not getting anything approaching accurate information, either.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/29/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=T1

Tokyo (CNN) -- Workers at Japan's crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant faced a difficult balancing act Tuesday as they struggled to keep reactors cool and prevent radioactive water from leaking into the ocean.

Water has been a key weapon in the battle to stave off a meltdown at the facility since a March 11 earthquake and tsunami knocked out cooling systems. But tons of water have been pumped and sprayed to keep the plant's radioactive fuel from overheating, and the plant is running out of room to store the now-contaminated liquid.

"Now the focus is how to ... remove the water and contain it safely," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano, the government's point man for the crisis, told reporters Tuesday.

The discovery of contaminated water in a maintenance tunnel that leads to the No. 2 reactor's turbine plant has sparked fresh concerns about the possibility of additional radiation leaking from the plant. Japan's nuclear safety agency said workers were using sandbags and concrete panels to keep the water inside the tunnel, which is located about 55 meters (180 feet) from the Pacific shore.

Workers are also trying to pump water out of the turbine houses of the No. 1 and No. 3 reactors, according to the Tokyo Electric Power Company, the plant's owner.

"TEPCO is in an awful dilemma right now," said Jim Walsh, an international security expert at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "One the one hand, they want to cool the reactor and keep the reactor cool, so they have to pour water in. If there is a leak in one of the containment vessels, that water keeps leaking out. So they have a problem where the more they try to cool it down, the greater the radiation hazard as that water leaks out from the plant."

Japanese officials and international experts have said they believe there's been a partial meltdown at three of the plant's six reactors, and Edano reported Monday that the No. 2 reactor's containment vessel may be leaking.

"The high radiation levels on site seem to support that idea. There is no visual proof yet, but it's increasingly likely there was partial fuel melting," said Gary Was, a nuclear engineering expert at the University of Michigan.

The discovery of plutonium, a nuclear fission byproduct as well as a component of the fuel in the No. 3 reactor, among the contaminants on the plant grounds bolsters the suspicion of a meltdown, Walsh said. Though low levels of plutonium can be found worldwide -- a legacy of previous decades of aboveground nuclear tests -- at least some of the contamination likely came from the plant, Edano said Tuesday. "If we detect higher levels of plutonium, we have to take additional measures, so our intention for now is to carry on with the monitoring on-site," he said.

The element can be a serious health hazard if inhaled or ingested, but external exposure poses little health risk, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

The now 19-day-old crisis at the plant has spread radioactive contamination across much of northern Japan. But Tokyo Electric said the discovery of plutonium would not change efforts to bring an end to the disaster, an aftereffect of the magnitude-9 earthquake that struck the region March 11.

The water found in the Unit 2 maintenance tunnel remained radioactive enough to pose an immediate hazard, authorities reported Monday afternoon. The 1,000-millisievert per hour reading was more than 330 times the dose an average person in a developed country receives per year and can result in vomiting and up to a 30% higher risk of cancer, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency. The level is also four times the top dose Japan's Health Ministry has set for emergency workers.

Radioactive iodine and cesium, also reactor byproducts, have turned up in the sea near the plant. But the levels reported by the utility on Tuesday were down sharply from those seen over the weekend.
Tuesday's tests found levels of iodine-131, an isotope that loses half its radioactivity within eight days, at 816 times normal levels within about 100 feet of the plant. That's down from a high of 1,850 times normal reported Sunday at another nearby monitoring post.

Authorities have said they don't think the seawater contamination is coming directly from the plant, but could be caused by particles carried by runoff or that have fallen from the atmosphere.

Meanwhile, Edano told reporters Tuesday that officials hope to find workers to relieve those at the plant, who have been scrambling for nearly three weeks to keep the reactors under control.
"On the ground at the nuclear power plant, the workers are working under very dangerous and very hard conditions, and I feel a great deal of respect for them," he said.

As workers inside brave high radiation, the situation has also taken a significant toll beyond the complex's six reactors. Authorities have banned sale and transport of some vegetables grown in the area after tests detected radiation. Signs of contaminated tap water prompted officials to tell residents in some areas to stop giving it to infants. And the government has said residents within a 20-kilometer (12-mile) radius of the plant must evacuate.

The growing damages could have a steep price tag for the embattled Tokyo Electric, as farmers and others impacted by the disaster ask for compensation. Some have questioned whether Japan's government will step in, and one government minister told reporters Tuesday that nationalizing the company could be an option.

"Of course, a debate on various options should be possible," Japanese National Strategy Minister Koichiro Genba told reporters when asked whether the government was considering at least partially nationalizing the company.

Another topic Japanese officials are already beginning to debate is the country's energy policy -- and particularly its reliance on nuclear power. Edano said the government will continue to "strongly promote" clean energy, but fixing problems at the troubled Fukushima nuclear plant and reviewing the safety of the nation's other plants take precedence.

Yoshiaki Oka, a nuclear engineering professor at Tokyo's Waseda University, told CNN that he remained optimistic that the threat at Fukushima Daiichi would be contained soon. He said Japan's lack of other resources such as oil or coal made nuclear power a necessity.

"Already, dependence on oil in Japan is very high," he said. Japan imports nearly 80% of its oil, a fact Oka called "very bad for national security."

"From these considerations, maybe some countrypeople will understand the other option of power generation, nuclear power, can play a role," he said.
 
This is horrible:

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Asia/Story/STIStory_650670.html

Japan nuclear plant workers pushed to limit


People work in the control room of reactor No. 2 with restored lighting at the earthquake and tsunami affected Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in Fukushima.

OSAKA - WORN-OUT workers at Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear plant are being pushed to the limit as high radiation levels endanger their lives and prolong their grim residency at the tsunami-ravaged facility.

After the March 11 earthquake and tsunami knocked out cooling systems at the plant, workers have toiled in toxic, dark environments laying electric cables, clearing rubble, hosing down overheating reactors and checking equipment.

Frequently spiking radiation levels have forced them to retreat from certain areas and extending their stay at the crippled plant central to Japan's worst ever nuclear accident.

Clad in protective suits, double-thickness gloves and masks and armed with flashlights, workers on shift rotations return from hours of hazardous toil to nap on floors or in corridors before returning to the grim darkness.

Huddling at the plant's 'quake-resistant' tower, resting workers lie on lead matting to prevent exposure to radiation which can rise up to 10 micro-sieverts an hour in that part of the complex.

'Workers sleep in conference rooms, hallways or near bathrooms. Each person is given one blanket, everyone sleeps on the floor in rows,' said Kazuma Yokota, a nuclear safety agency inspector stationed at the plant. 'We want to avoid staying too long as much as we can, because we are exposed to radiation every day. I've been exposed to 883 micro-sieverts in the past five days,' the exhausted-looking 39-year-old confided to broadcaster NHK. -- AFP
 
http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2011/03/28/letters-from-fukushima-tepco-worker-emails/

Letters From Fukushima: Tepco Worker Emails

We at the plants have been working on restoration work without sleep or rest since the earthquake. About two weeks have passed since the quake, and things have gotten better at 1F (Note — possible reference to Fukushima Plant No. 1, or Daiichi). We wish the cooling efforts will continue to work.

As you know, most of the workers at 1F and 2F (Note — possible reference to Fukushima Plant No. 2, or Daini) are local residents and victims of the quake. There are many workers whose houses were washed away.

I myself have had to stay in the disaster measurement headquarters the entire time ever since the earthquake occurred, and have been fighting alongside my colleagues without any sleep or rest. Personally, my entire hometown, Namie-machi, which is located along the coast, was washed away by the tsunami. My parents were washed away by the tsunami and I still don’t know where they are. Normally I would rush to their house as soon as I could. But I can’t even enter the area because it is under an evacuation order. The Self-Defense Forces are not conducting a search there. I’m engaged in extremely tough work under this kind of mental condition…I can’t take this any more!


More at link.
 
God bless these amazing amazing hero workers. ... They sure have earned their place in Heaven. ...

*prays... what tragedy... and what amazing people Japan has got...*
 
Remember how Greenpeace said a couple of days ago, after they did their own sampling, that the village Iitate (40 km from Fukushima and outside the evacuation zone) needs to be evacuted, because of the high radiation in that village? What we heard from Japan was ... crickets. This is what the Greenpeace expert said:


“The Japanese authorities are fully aware that high levels of radiation from the stricken Fukushima nuclear plant have spread far beyond the official evacuation zone to places like Iitate, yet are still not taking action to properly protect people or keep them informed them about the risks to their health”, said Greenpeace radiation safety expert Jan van de Putte.


http://www.greenpeace.org/internati...ally-to-protect-pregnant-women-and-children-/

The footnote at the link also says this about Iitate:

The Fukushima Prefectural Government has been measuring the radiation levels in the same village and confirming even higher range of radiation level during the past two weeks.

So even the government knew and their measurements were even higher, and they did nothing.

And now today, DAYS later, the IAEA "advises" Japan to evacute the village Iitate, because in their own sampling they found the highest levels of radioactivity around Fukushima in Iitate.

The government has known about this for 2 weeks, 3 days ago Greenpeace said this village needs to be evacuted, and now today the IAEA says the same. What the hell are they waiting for? 2 weeks? The people living there (7,000) will get sick, and with every hour that they do nothing, the risk gets even higher. All those people in the government and at Tepco, who make all those decisions that can potentially kill people, need to be brought to trial for assault and other things. This is unbelievable.
 
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Excessive radiation found beyond Japan's evacuation zone



March 30th, 2011
03:44 PM ET

Radiation levels in a Japanese village outside a government-ordered evacuation zone have exceeded one of the criteria for evacuation, the International Atomic Energy Agency said Wednesday.
The agency said it advised Japan "to carefully assess the situation."
 
Radiation levels in a Japanese village outside a government-ordered evacuation zone have exceeded one of the criteria for evacuation, the International Atomic Energy Agency said Wednesday.
The agency said it advised Japan "to carefully assess the situation."

Yes, that would be Iitate. They have known for 2 weeks. Greenpeace told them, now the IAEA tells them and that they need to evacuate. Knowing and doing nothing for 2 weeks for me qualifies as a crime against humanity.

I'm so mad about this, it's a good thing that the "F" on my keyboard seems to be broken or I'd tell them what I really think about them. :angry:
 
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Excessive radiation found beyond Japan's evacuation zone



March 30th, 2011
03:44 PM ET

Radiation levels in a Japanese village outside a government-ordered evacuation zone have exceeded one of the criteria for evacuation, the International Atomic Energy Agency said Wednesday.
The agency said it advised Japan "to carefully assess the situation."

thank god Greenpeace went there, 2 weeks after, to do their own measures.

This is just so unbelievable.
 
And before I forget ... if you live in the EU, be really careful with food from Japan. The EU raised the level of radioactivity for food from Japan, level for cesium can be 20 times higher now. Our Green party said that's so high, that it wouldn't even be allowed to be sold in Japan anymore. THAT's why we need the EU ... instead of checking all food imports from Japan and making very strict rules, they just raise the level allowed. So if Japan doesn't allow the food to be sold in Japan, they can just export it to the EU. Don't buy it and don't eat it.
 
And until we know more, I would also be careful with the fish that comes from the northern pacific.
 
As days go by i have the strong feeling that the damaged that was done in Japan is irreparable. ?nd i am refering mainly to the damage due to the leaking of radiation. The misfortune of that country is just unbelievable.
 
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