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Now come on AlwaysThere, your a lover not a fighter. Admit it.Were it not for my love for Michael, I don't know how much longer I could take this :scratch:
Now come on AlwaysThere, your a lover not a fighter. Admit it.Were it not for my love for Michael, I don't know how much longer I could take this :scratch:
its not ironic at all. me and others mention the people we talk about by name, we don't subpost.
Likewise, if you act a certain way I'm going to say it.If you act a certain way I'm going to say it. Posting that patronising, rolling laughing face, saying you'd like to "expose" people, subposting about people then being surprised when they respond and "spilling tea" are all very mature and productive ways to have debates and discussions, yes.
Yes, but you do it completely off site and wouldn't dare say a thing on here about it to the people whom you are talking about.
How quaint.
Likewise, if you act a certain way I'm going to say it.
I wasn't at all suprised you responded.
In fact I figured that as soon as y'all saw I had posted that y'all all would run in here at break neck speed irregardless of what I had said.
And I suppose that all y'all do on that other website is have "productive discussions."
Anywho, I'm done.
If anyone is still pressed enough to quote or respond to me just know that you won't get a response, and unlike others on here when I say I'm done I'm actually done.
Just know that I know what all of you are really like, and if some of the other people here did too then they wouldn't be so keen to agree with y'all.
Although I don't agree with such behaviour, I respect that you've explained that and taken responsibility for realising it's not very pleasant for a fan to be spoken about like that. Words speak volumes of a persons character and this is a nice olive branch. Fair play.Yes, I did used to talk about this site a lot over on that other site. Stopped doing that once I had a conversation with someone here about stuff I'd said and realised I was a bit of an ass, and that it was best to stay out of it. There's a reason this site is discussed a lot over there and not on this site itself, and I'm responding to one of them. Just thought I'd explain that seeing as you like to keep mentioning it. Anyway. That's all.
Now, THAT cracked ME up. ?Now come on AlwaysThere, your a lover not a fighter. Admit it.
^^Personally, I don't have a problem with people discussing the "bad". Bottrell saying he could get angry in the studio didn't bother me. Who doesn't get angry? Buxer's story does. People have also implied that these weren't isolated incidents of taking credit, but go all the way back to the beginning of his songwriting career.
For example I had the best mother in the world. She loved us fiercely with the most unconditional love I've ever seen in anyone. I can tell hundreds of stories about how she made sure we had perfect childhoods against adverse circumstances. She also had multiple nervous breakdowns and did some crazy things. But I tell the SAME stories -good and bad-about her before and after she died.
^^Personally, I don't have a problem with people discussing the "bad". Bottrell saying he could get angry in the studio didn't bother me. Who doesn't get angry? Buxer's story does. People have also implied that these weren't isolated incidents of taking credit, but go all the way back to the beginning of his songwriting career.
For example I had the best mother in the world. She loved us fiercely with the most unconditional love I've ever seen in anyone. I can tell hundreds of stories about how she made sure we had perfect childhoods against adverse circumstances. She also had multiple nervous breakdowns and did some crazy things. But I tell the SAME stories -good and bad-about her before and after she died.
^^Personally, I don't have a problem with people discussing the "bad".
I totally get where your coming from with this point PDP. In life MJ was always under a constant microscope. Even in instances such as the lyrics of TDCAU being claimed to be ant-semetic, I feel it was a deliberate castigation on him. I know we live in different times but Kanye, Niki Minage and anyone nowadays can say whatever they want. I don't agree with Mike on the baby dangling incident but they never let it go, re-ran it, slowed it down, played it backwards etc. It's like 'We get it! He made a mistake. In this day and age people build careers on making mistakes.I concur.
I also have zero problem with people discussing the bad as long as the discussion doesn't turn into an echo chamber of negativity, but what I don't like is when something goes beyond the realm of discussion and turns into a negative opinion being propagated as truth, and Michael being bashed due to information that no one who is part of the discussion knows to be 100% factual or true in any way (something that I see happen all to often).
You see, with Michael people way more often then not make a mountain out of a mole hill so to speak.
For example, what is being discussed here could turn into a nasty rumor that Michael didn't write a single one of his own songs and was a musical kleptomaniac.
People also make up negative stories about Michael quite often, so I'm very critical of anything negative said about Michael especially posthumously since the man is no longer here to denounce or concur with things himself.
Michael was always an easy target to say untrue negative things about, but now that he's gone he's an even easier target.
I totally get where your coming from with this point PDP. In life MJ was always under a constant microscope. Even in instances such as the lyrics of TDCAU being claimed to be ant-semetic, I feel it was a deliberate castigation on him. I know we live in different times but Kanye, Niki Minage and anyone nowadays can say whatever they want. I don't agree with Mike on the baby dangling incident but they never let it go, re-ran it, slowed it down, played it backwards etc. It's like 'We get it! He made a mistake. In this day and age people build careers on making mistakes.
I have no problem with pointing out mistakes and flaws either when its within context of the conversation and adds to the conversation and its in a fair and constructive way. But let's not be hell bent on constant needless critiscisim. That comes across as bitterness.
^ The magic is still very much there. The only difference is that it wasn't just him who supplied it.
We shouldn't shy away from negative/controversial discussions like this. Regardless of where everyone stands at the end of it, intriguing information almost always comes from it.
I love a contraversial topic also, but I love the romanticism of MJ writing many of these songs himself, especially heartfelt autobiographical ones like SIM. I don't want to know this may not be the case.
But shouldn't we separate reality from desire out of pure fairness?
The lyrics to Stranger in Moscow were undoubtedly and undeniably a product of Michael Jackson. The music? That's where the lines are blurred, depending on who you want to believe. Every bit of romanticism is still present, but it's spread out between two.
Does anyone else remember when this used to be an Invincible thread? Good times. I get nostalgic just thinking about it
I remember when a fan pointed out to me that the Another Part Of Me video was edited from 4 or 5 different shows lol. My romanticism was completey shattered! :lol: Now when I look at it its so obvious; I mean the black mic! Still brilliant though.^ you're right, but much like the thought of my parents having sex, there's just some things I'd rather turn a blind eye to.
I didn't realize that. I need to go back and watch it. I don't think it would ruin it for me though-it's just too darn good and the epitome of everything Michael was as a performer.I remember when a fan pointed out to me that the Another Part Of Me video was edited from 4 or 5 different shows lol. My romanticism was completey shattered! :lol: Now when I look at it its so obvious; I mean the black mic! Still brilliant though.
It's just sooo good. It has it all, the spins, the pout, the spontaneous energy, the band bopping along, the breakdown at the end. It's everything that was special about the Bad tour. Shamone!!I didn't realize that. I need to go back and watch it. I don't think it would ruin it for me though-it's just too darn good and the epitome of everything Michael was as a performer.
APOM on stage: A burst out of pure joy and love!
I love the song and the performance so much :dancin: