The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Guys, seriously?

have you heard the Faking Michael Podcast?

MJ simply had nothing to do with these songs. It's the reality. If he had recorded any mumbling melodies for it the cascios would have presented those recordings at the countless meetings (in 2010) where they told everyone that MJ told them to delete all the outtakes of the (fake) songs.

To clarify when I said genuine Cascio songs may exists im not talking exclusively about those dozen or so tracks considered the 'Cascio tracks' I mean that I think its is extremely likely that MJ recorded vocals in the Cascio house for something other than Thriller 25 over those 3 months and that could have been for ANYTHING. I just cant imagine him staying in contained environment like someones home for 3 months and not having any inspiration at all to create anything and not make a single vocal take for any idea.
 
To clarify when I said genuine Cascio songs may exists im not talking exclusively about those dozen or so tracks considered the 'Cascio tracks' I mean that I think its is extremely likely that MJ recorded vocals in the Cascio house for something other than Thriller 25 over those 3 months and that could have been for ANYTHING. I just cant imagine him staying in contained environment like someones home for 3 months and not having any inspiration at all to create anything and not make a single vocal take for any idea.
If he did make a tune in their house then it's in his jurisdiction, especially if he composed it. Casios would get no ownership, no credit.
 
If he did make a tune in their house then it's in his jurisdiction, especially if he composed it. Casios would get no ownership, no credit.
How is that relevant to my statement? Im just calling them cascio songs because they were in his home, I know they dont have ownership but maybe they were given a copy
 
If the Cascios had one real song, they would have sold it to the estate! Plain and simple.
They had ZERO music with Michael Jackson's voice on it!
That's why they faked 12 songs and got away with selling it..
Or he recorded some things at Cascios, but this was in an very early state, so he toke everything with him, and they dont had anything to sell then
 
How is that relevant to my statement? Im just calling them cascio songs because they were in his home, I know they dont have ownership but maybe they were given a copy
MJ making music at their house would not absolve them of being liars. They were not cut in.

They don't have any MJ material. That's the reason for fake songs.
 
Or he recorded some things at Cascios, but this was in an very early state, so he toke everything with him, and they dont had anything to sell then

That’s not relevant because if he recorded stuff there it still wouldn’t be something the cascios got any rights to. And also it wouldn’t change the fact they faked a ton of songs to sell to the estate. Their credibility is ruined both ways..
 
That’s not relevant because if he recorded stuff there it still wouldn’t be something the cascios got any rights to. And also it wouldn’t change the fact they faked a ton of songs to sell to the estate. Their credibility is ruined both ways..
Yes of course, that wasnt my point. Of course they still faked songs, because they didnt had any songs or rights on anything. But someone said before, that he wondered that MJ lived there for month, and just did a few (or just one?) recording for Thriller 25. Maybe he did stuff, but took it with him
 
Yes of course, that wasnt my point. Of course they still faked songs, because they didnt had any songs or rights on anything. But someone said before, that he wondered that MJ lived there for month, and just did a few (or just one?) recording for Thriller 25. Maybe he did stuff, but took it with him
If he didn't do stuff for years in the recording studio then why would he do more in some random dudes house? What is even meaningful here that you're arguing.
 
What’s the provenance of that lengthy alleged snippet of Saturday Woman at the start of this video? Or any of the alleged snippets of Saturday Woman, really? Do we even know?
 
Do we know how complete „I Have This Dream“ is? Like did MJ recorded his vocal parts and is the song in the possesion of the Estate?
 
Do we know how complete „I Have This Dream“ is? Like did MJ recorded his vocal parts and is the song in the possesion of the Estate?
MJ recorded a vocal but it was not a final one and he planned to redo it. The other artists featured had apparently recorded their parts as well.
 
What a mess that production was. I guess it was the same for WMCIG? Bringing all those artists together and then blowing up both projects.

It must have been pretty embarrassing for them.
 
Here’s what I’ve been able to deign about “I Have This Dream” over the years based on my own research. (This doesn’t directly answer the question asked, but I don’t have work today and am bored.)

- MJ started work on a solo demo in April 1999, though its completion is unknown.

- In 2002, MJ co-sponsored a lyric-writing competition for the song. Nashville-based musician Ric Kipp was ultimately crowned as the winner, though Carole Bayer-Sager objected to using any of his material. According to Kipp, MJ failed to show up for any of the scheduled recording sessions, though Foster recorded a demo using his lyrics and a newly-contributed bridge. None of Kipp’s lyrics or music would be retained in any future versions of the song.

- MJ first returned to the song in August 2005, repurposing it as an all-start charity single to benefit Hurricane Katrina victims. While it is unknown if any significant changes were made to the original 1999 material, the song was announced by 2 Seas Records as being titled “From the Bottom of My Heart,” suggesting that the lyrics may have been revised at one point. The title was solidified as “I Have This Dream” by September, but wasn’t publicly acknowledged as such until early 2006.

- John Barnes was flown out in/around September 2005 to contribute keyboards and an orchestral arrangement.

- Between late September and mid-October 2005, MJ made several trips to Metropolis Studios in London to work on the song, oversee the recording of the hired string section, and track his final vocal parts. During the final session, MJ and Sheik Abdullah agreed that MJ’s singing wasn’t up to par and scheduled one additional session to redo his vocals. MJ, however, didn’t show up.

- On 1 November 2005, James Ingram, Ciara, Snoop Dogg, Shirley Caesar, and the O’Jays recorded their vocal parts at a Los Angeles recording studio, with MJ producing over the phone from Bahrain.

- By February 2006, several other contributing artists, including Jermaine Jackson and R. Kelly, had submitted their parts and “I Have This Dream” was nearly finished—save for MJ’s final vocal, which still hadn’t been turned in. Sheik Abdullah continued to praise the song publicly, promising the delay was “the calm before the storm.”

- In mid-April 2006, MJ signed to Bahrain-based startup label 2 Seas Records, through which he would release a new album and—prospectively—the long-awaited “I Have This Dream.” Two months later, he departed Bahrain for the final time and announced his withdrawal from 2 Seas, effectively putting to bed any prospect of the song being released.

- The title “Bottom of My Heart” was reused for a completely separate song in 2007-8.

- On 16 April 2010, a demo of “I Have This Dream” featuring three unidentified vocalists and a full gospel choir leaked online. Despite much skepticism, Damien Shields confirmed the demo was authentic.

- On 1 February 2015, Ric Kipp and independent singer Michael Ricks released a cover of “I Have This Dream” using Kipp’s music and lyrics as a charity single for Ebola relief.
 
- On 1 November 2005, James Ingram, Ciara, Snoop Dogg, Shirley Caesar, and the O’Jays recorded their vocal parts at a Los Angeles recording studio, with MJ producing over the phone from Bahrain.
To understand how much MJ’s already tarnished star dimmed between 2002 and 2005, one only has to consider the star wattage of the celebrities he managed to enroll for WMCIG versus IHTD.
 
To understand how much MJ’s already tarnished star dimmed between 2002 and 2005, one only has to consider the star wattage of the celebrities he managed to enroll for WMCIG versus IHTD.
Ciara was a big deal in 2005, hold on now.
 
I cant remember who it was but in Damiens podcast Michael Prince asked MJs producer in Bahrain if he recorded any vocals over there and he said no
That was Michael Prince. He asked John Barnes about MJ’s time in Bahrain, and John never explicitly said no, but implied it. But even then, that may not be accurate because Damien stated that “He Who Makes the Sky Gray” has vocals (though he couldn’t recall their completion).
 
To understand how much MJ’s already tarnished star dimmed between 2002 and 2005, one only has to consider the star wattage of the celebrities he managed to enroll for WMCIG versus IHTD.
Truth. Snoop Dogg, Ciara, and even R. Kelly make sense given the time period, but the others are questionable at best. I recall an “insider” saying at one point that MJ couldn’t convince any A-listers to sign on because of the trial, which… yeah.
 
Here’s what I’ve been able to deign about “I Have This Dream” over the years based on my own research. (This doesn’t directly answer the question asked, but I don’t have work today and am bored.)

- MJ started work on a solo demo in April 1999, though its completion is unknown.

- In 2002, MJ co-sponsored a lyric-writing competition for the song. Nashville-based musician Ric Kipp was ultimately crowned as the winner, though Carole Bayer-Sager objected to using any of his material. According to Kipp, MJ failed to show up for any of the scheduled recording sessions, though Foster recorded a demo using his lyrics and a newly-contributed bridge. None of Kipp’s lyrics or music would be retained in any future versions of the song.

- MJ first returned to the song in August 2005, repurposing it as an all-start charity single to benefit Hurricane Katrina victims. While it is unknown if any significant changes were made to the original 1999 material, the song was announced by 2 Seas Records as being titled “From the Bottom of My Heart,” suggesting that the lyrics may have been revised at one point. The title was solidified as “I Have This Dream” by September, but wasn’t publicly acknowledged as such until early 2006.

- John Barnes was flown out in/around September 2005 to contribute keyboards and an orchestral arrangement.

- Between late September and mid-October 2005, MJ made several trips to Metropolis Studios in London to work on the song, oversee the recording of the hired string section, and track his final vocal parts. During the final session, MJ and Sheik Abdullah agreed that MJ’s singing wasn’t up to par and scheduled one additional session to redo his vocals. MJ, however, didn’t show up.

- On 1 November 2005, James Ingram, Ciara, Snoop Dogg, Shirley Caesar, and the O’Jays recorded their vocal parts at a Los Angeles recording studio, with MJ producing over the phone from Bahrain.

- By February 2006, several other contributing artists, including Jermaine Jackson and R. Kelly, had submitted their parts and “I Have This Dream” was nearly finished—save for MJ’s final vocal, which still hadn’t been turned in. Sheik Abdullah continued to praise the song publicly, promising the delay was “the calm before the storm.”

- In mid-April 2006, MJ signed to Bahrain-based startup label 2 Seas Records, through which he would release a new album and—prospectively—the long-awaited “I Have This Dream.” Two months later, he departed Bahrain for the final time and announced his withdrawal from 2 Seas, effectively putting to bed any prospect of the song being released.

- The title “Bottom of My Heart” was reused for a completely separate song in 2007-8.

- On 16 April 2010, a demo of “I Have This Dream” featuring three unidentified vocalists and a full gospel choir leaked online. Despite much skepticism, Damien Shields confirmed the demo was authentic.

- On 1 February 2015, Ric Kipp and independent singer Michael Ricks released a cover of “I Have This Dream” using Kipp’s music and lyrics as a charity single for Ebola relief.
Great recap! Thanks. Honestly given the demo we have, I don’t love the track. I especially don’t like the featured vocalist on the actual track. If MJ recorded a solo version all the way through (similar to how he recorded WMCIG solo) the song might grow on me, but we’ll have to see. WMCIG is definitely miles better than IHTD imo. He should’ve just tried again to put it out in 2005 as it never got a proper release.
 
Great recap! Thanks. Honestly given the demo we have, I don’t love the track. I especially don’t like the featured vocalist on the actual track. If MJ recorded a solo version all the way through (similar to how he recorded WMCIG solo) the song might grow on me, but we’ll have to see. WMCIG is definitely miles better than IHTD imo. He should’ve just tried again to put it out in 2005 as it never got a proper release.
I feel the same. It’s just not well written or produced, in my opinion. It’s all very surface-level, and covers all the bases MJ has already touched on in multiple other, better songs.
 
I couldn't care less about listening to I Have This Dream but I wouldn't mind hearing the other Bahrain tracks, MJ was at his lowest point mentally at that time so I'm interested to see how the trial affected his songwriting, especially considering the songs were made just shortly after the trial happened, barely any time for MJ to start recovering from it whatsoever.

He Who Makes The Sky Gray is the song I want to hear the most, I doubt it's a vocally complete song given MJ's unwillingness to work on music during that time but it's always been one of the titles from the Post-Invincible period that has made me curious the most.
 
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I couldn't care less about listening to I Have This Dream but I wouldn't mind hearing the other Bahrain tracks, MJ was at his lowest point mentally at that time so I'm interested to see how the trial affected his songwriting, especially considering the songs were made just shortly after the trial happened, barely any time for MJ to start recovering from it whatsoever.

He Who Makes The Sky Gray is the song I want to hear the most, I doubt it's a vocally complete song given MJ's unwillingness to work on music during that time but it's always been one of the titles from the Post-Invincible period that has made me curious the most.
Weren’t those songs written by the Bahrain prince and not MJ?
 
He Who Makes The Sky Gray is the song I want to hear the most, I doubt it's a vocally complete song given MJ's unwillingness to work on music during that time but it's always been one of the titles from the Post-Invincible period that has made me curious the most.
I’m guessing it has at most a mumbled vocal like “in the back.” Probably not even that much. I love MJ’s gospel songs and I would love to hear it & light the way anyway.
 
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