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Mid year top 100 world tour list, MJ immortal at no.4.
http://www.pollstarpro.com/files/charts2013/2013MidYearTop100WorldwideTours.pdf
http://www.pollstarpro.com/files/charts2013/2013MidYearTop100WorldwideTours.pdf
Kikuchiyo
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Again, Pollstar has wrong (incomplete) numbers for Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour by Cirque du Soleil. :mat:
For the period 1/1/2013 - 6/30/2013 CORRECT numbers are:
Gross Sales: $87,586,374
Total Tickets: 777,944
Cities / Shows: 22 / 100
Pollstar report has 20 cities and 88 shows for the period 1/1/2013 - 6/30/2013 so apparently they forgot to add data for 2 cities.
Here's a list of 22 cities:
- January 17-19 - TatNeft Arena, Kazan, Russia
- January 22-27 - Olimpiyskiy, Moscow, Russia
- February 5-6 - Papp Laszlo Sportarena, Budapest, Hungary
- February 8-9 - O2 Arena, Prague, Czech Republic
- February 13-15 - Hallenstadion, Zurich, Switzerland
- February 19-20 - Palaolimpico, Torino, Italy
- February 23-24 - Mediolanum Forum, Milan, Italy
- February 26-27 - Park&Suites Arena, Montpellier, France
- March 1-2 - Sportpaleis, Antwerp, Belgium
- March 8-10 - Ziggo Dome, Amsterdam, Netherlands
- March 15-17 - Ulker Sports Arena, Istanbul, Turkey
- March 26 - National Indoor Arena, Birmingham, UK
- March 29-30 - Manchester Arena, Manchester, UK
- April 2-7 - Palais Omnisports de Paris Bercy, Paris, France
- April 11-14 - Pavilhao Atlantico, Lisbon, Portugal
- April 17-21 - Palau Sant Jordi, Barcelona, Spain
- May 9-12 - Saitama Super Arena, Saitama, Japan
- May 16-19 - Yokohama Arena, Yokohama, Japan
- May 23-26 - Nippon Gaishi Hall, Nagoya, Japan
- May 30-31, June 1-2 - Marine Messe Fukuoka, Fukuoka, Japan
- June 6-9, 13-16 - Osaka-Jo Hall, Osaka, Japan
- June 28-30 - Taipei Arena, Taipei, Taiwan
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[h=5]Pollstar’s Mid-Year Charts for 2013[/h]http://www.pollstar.com/news_article.aspx?ID=805893
[h=5]Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour by Cirque du Soleil[/h]Congratulations to the cast and crew of Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour by Cirque du Soleil for coming in at #4 on Pollstar's 2013 Mid-Year Top 100 Worldwide Tours!
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mkgenie;3867572 said:
No, unfortunately, theres no chance...
BTW, on the lists, there is ONLY one MJs tour - the BAD Tour, and the Victory tour of The Jacksons.
U2, Rolling Stones and Madonna DO RULE the all time lists of top grossing tours ... and have made billions..., Michael Jackson totally wasted the time and missed the chances..., and of course, he had many other "activities" than going on tours, recording albums and being the artist..., thats why Cirque du Soleil is doing his job, on behalf of his... inactivity...
The 360° Tour by U2 is the highest grossing concert tour of all time
Top 5 grossing tours of all time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_concert_tours
| Rank | Actual gross | Inflation <small>(adjusted 2013 gross)</small> | Artist | Tour name | Year(s) | Shows | Attendance | Average gross (millions) | Average attendance | Ref(s) |
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| 1 | $736,421,584 | $751,563,980 | U2 | U2 360° Tour | 2009–11 | 110 | 7,272,046 | 6.7 | 66,110 | [SUP][1][/SUP] |
| 2 | $558,255,524 | $618,103,813 | The Rolling Stones | A Bigger Bang Tour | 2005–07 | 144 | 4,680,000 | 3.8 | 32,500 | [SUP][1][/SUP] |
| 3 | $441,121,000 | $464,412,297 | AC/DC | Black Ice World Tour | 2008–10 | 167 | 4,846,965 | 2.6 | 29,023 | [SUP][2][/SUP] |
| 4 | $407,713,266 | $436,298,096 | Madonna | Sticky & Sweet Tour | 2008–09 | 85 | 3,545,899 | 4.79 | 41,716 | [SUP][3][/SUP] |
| 5 | $389,047,636 | $443,057,055 | U2 | Vertigo Tour | 2005–06 | 131 | 4,619,021 | 2.96 | 35,259 | [SUP][4][/SUP] |
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Tours (1981–1990)
| Rank | Actual gross | Inflation <small>(adjusted 2013 gross)</small> | Artist | Tour name | Year(s) | Shows | Attendance | Average gross (millions) | Average attendance | Ref(s) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | $135,000,000 | $250,030,872 | Pink Floyd | A Momentary Lapse of Reason Tour | 1987–89 | 199 | 4,250,000 | 0.68 | 21,250 | [SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP] |
| 2 | $125,738,964 | $244,083,600 | Michael Jackson | Bad | 1987–89 | 123 | 4,498,300 | 1.0 | 36,571 | [SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP] |
| 3 | $98,000,000 | $181,503,893 | The Rolling Stones | Steel Wheels Tour | 1989 | 45 | 3,253,563 | [SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][10][/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP] | ||
| 4 | $86,000,000 | $173,788,518 | David Bowie | Glass Spider Tour | 1987 | 86 | 3,000,000 | 1.0 | 34,884 | [SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][13][/SUP] |
| 5 | $85,000,000[SUP][g][/SUP] | $181,440,285 | Bruce Springsteen | Born in the U.S.A. Tour | 1984–85 | 156 | [SUP][14][/SUP] | |||
| 6 | $75,000,000 | $165,735,106 | The Jacksons | Victory Tour | 1984 | 55 | 2,750,000 | [SUP][15][/SUP] | ||
| 7 | $74,000,000 | $130,037,188 | New Kids on the Block | The Magic Summer Tour | 1990 | 3,291,987 | [SUP][11][/SUP] | |||
| 8 | $52,000,000 | $131,313,324 | The Rolling Stones | The Rolling Stones American Tour 1981 | 1981 | 50 | 3,000,000 | [SUP][15][/SUP] |
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Kikuchiyo
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For start, that wiki list is INCOMPLETE! Some great & successful tours weren't mention like for example Dangerous World Tour or HIStory World Tour which is MJ's most successful tour. Also inflation adjusted gross is wrong & misleading but that is another topic...
MJ had 3 solo tours and all 3 set numerous records and Bad World Tour & HIStory World Tour are still the most successful tours EVER by solo artist in terms of attendance (4.4 million & 4.5 million). Today's astronomical earnings are solely the result of an abnormally high ticket prices but if you check attendance you'll see that very few could compare with MJ's tours. That is a true reflection of one's popularity and success. Total gross should be put into the context of the time.
The main purpose of any concert is to present music to fans, to entertain people. MJ was a very smart businessman but he didn't tour because of money he did it because of fans! When MJ did Victory Tour which was the biggest Tour ever in the US he donated ALL his money from performance to charity! He did the same with Dangerous World Tour, and he also donated a lot of money from Bad World Tour & HIStory World Tour. :bow:
Listen from 5:42 onwards:
...and for very picturesque review of great Victory Tour listen Jamie Foxx (be sure to listen from 8:02 onwards):
In June 1970, Michael Jackson (with J5) broke attendance and gate record at The Forum in Inglewood, California (The Forum is one of the most famous venues in the US), and from then until 1997 he did hundreds of concerts with J5, The Jacksons and solo, constantly breaking numerous records, he always did his best, so I think it's NOT fair to say that he "totally wasted the time and missed the chances ...". :no:
BTW, regardless of earnings, IMO Michael Jackson and Freddie Mercury performances were something special. The best ever!
Freddie Mercury:
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Exactly. If you look at the highest grossing tours ever list, those tours are all from the late 2000s which gives you an idea that most of them are there because these days ticket prices are a LOT higher than back in the 90s, 80s or 70s.
That U2 360 Tour is top in every way, attendance too and kudos to them for that, but for example the Madonna tour had only an attendance of 3.5 million, which is about 1 million less than either of Michael's solo tours. And on that 80s list the Bad Tour is actually Nr1. in terms of attendance.
All of Michael's tours were highly successful, like you said the most successful tours ever by a solo artist, so how can anyone say he wasted his time and missed his chances?
Especially when we know how touring took it its toll on Michael's health and eventually killed him. So to criticize him for not touring more and saying he wasted his time is so freaking ungrateful. If anything I wish he toured less and took more care of his health instead. Maybe he'd be still with us.
Exactly. If you look at the highest grossing tours ever list, those tours are all from the late 2000s which gives you an idea that most of them are there because these days ticket prices are a LOT higher than back in the 90s, 80s or 70s.
That U2 360 Tour is top in every way, attendance too and kudos to them for that, but for example the Madonna tour had only an attendance of 3.5 million, which is about 1 million less than either of Michael's solo tours. And on that 80s list the Bad Tour is actually Nr1. in terms of attendance.
All of Michael's tours were highly successful, like you said the most successful tours ever by a solo artist, so how can anyone say he wasted his time and missed his chances?
Especially when we know how touring took it its toll on Michael's health and eventually killed him. So to criticize him for not touring more and saying he wasted his time is so freaking ungrateful. If anything I wish he toured less and took more care of his health instead. Maybe he'd be still with us.
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It's great to see how the whole world loves Michael and going to the shows.
I don't think U2 and Madonna and others were hitting the road performing when they were like age 5 or 6 either. I think Michael was almost 40 when he was doing the History tour. He did a lot of shows in his lifetime. I wish I could have seen one but I am grateful for my dvds where I can see his performances.
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I totally agree! Michael used to watch Freddie and Queen a lot, I think they probably instinctively recognized the same gift in each other and learned by watching each other.
I agree, he was raising his children. That was definitely not a missed chance.
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Kikuchiyo;3868330 said:
It doesnt matter if the wiki list is incomplete, the fact is that BAD tour is not among the highest grossing tours! as well as HIStory tour that is not even on the lists!, one/you/we can wonder why? (btw, during the AEG trial, it was said by the ex-manager of the tour that HIStory had been quite a big financial failure...)
OR, add the info on the list.
It not good if fans, in this case MJ fans, just want to believe in something that they have created = if MJ fans claim that MJ is the best of the best, the best seller, it doesnt mean he really is..., because in reality he is not, and has never been, but most of them want to console themselves with some fabricated "facts", without relevant and factual info, and then... they are surprised that some news doesnt fit into their fan agenda..., I personally find weird how ridiculously the HIStory era is ignored in media, like only BAD and Dangerous tours were something relevant, even though HIStory tour was MJs most successful...
BUT if you have some relevant info, why dont you change the Wiki pages about it and add the corrected "numbers"?
Attendance of all 3 MJs solo tours is great, BUT.... the Wiki info was about the highest grossing tours, and MJs are simply not.
The ticket price is irrelevant, if MJ had had a world tour in 2009-2010-2013..., the prices would have been the same=high. You cant say MJ was a smart businessman and on the other hand... or in the same way... to say he did it for fans... no matter how financially complicated his tours were=failures (at least, there always is the responsibility... to the crew, dancers, technicians and all the logistic stuff=it not only about the artist, and the same artist want to earn money too, but hey..., wasnt Mj is huge debts? What a charitable person he was... when eventually he was the very same person depended on THE MONEY! ... its not very smart..., I call it the media bubble, living in the imaginary world, make-believeing...).
Anyway... MJ missed all the chances to tour since 1998=at least 10 years (because of the smart things like LWMJ, trial, Murray?), we can not live off of the memories from the 90s, ... yeah, we can, but cant say MJ is still better than U2, Madonna, Rolling Stones who are going on tours, making billions.... and Mj fans are still pretending they are ... irellevant, they are artist, musicians, entertainers, and lets say, Madonna... is the only most successful live performing solo artist ever with the highest grossing tours for a solo artist.
The "most successful entertainer" status for MJ is fading away, because the last time MJ was active was his HIStory tour, everything after 1998 is... you know... just a travesty of... "a has been"...
Yes, MJ did hundreds of gigs since 1970 until 1997, but is it fair to say that since 1998 we the fans desperately wished Mj had done just one more tour but he failed, because he wasnt capable of ... doing it... for many "specific legal reasons", thats why his music legacy is poisoned with these things, like devided into two parts, 1-the years of 1970-1998 and 2-the years 2000 and the rest, and during the same time, all the other artists were performing, recording albums, making billions... but MJ... lived off of the once great fame facing jail, going under the huge debts, depending on painkillers and forced to perform to earn money to survive...
MJ fans can not create the illusion of supermegasuper fame if the (private and artistic) reality was very different from the secrets Mj never wanted to uncover.
Thats why we can enjoy the Cirque du Soleil 'Immortal World Tour', there is nothing else, MJ ONE... is fine, but... still, without MJ... and... the latest news - Michael Jackson gigs set to make $1bn, US expert says (Michael Jackson could have made more than $1.1bn (£726.9m) on his This Is It comeback tour, a financial expert has told a court at the singer's wrongful death trial in the US.)
So... still not a missed chance?
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If Michael was nothing and irrelevant then I guess it was a weird coincidence the reaction that was felt across the world when he died. I don't care about numbers but Michael touched the world with his heart and his work. He was an icon and somebody who made a difference in this world and a lot of artists today would love to create the kind of legacy Michael achieved. Life threw him some tough times but till the very end he wanted to make people happy with his work and music. I wish he would have gotten to do the shows he wanted and the projects he wanted to do. People need to watch the "mj fans" tone. Like we are some crazy people when that is not true. A lot of fans are intelligent and know a lot about the facts and numbers of a lot of things.
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You are taking it out of context. The ex-manager said it was because of the high costs. He did not talk about grossing, he talked about income-costs. When we talk about highest grossing tours we only talk about the incomes and not about the costs of the tours. Theoretically even the highest grossing tours can be financial failures if their costs are too high.
What are you talking about? No one claimed Michael had the highest grossing tours ever. It's actually you who seems to measure success and greatness in whether an artist holds a record or not. If Michael doesn't hold a record you consider him a failure which is really sad to see. All of Michael's tours were very successful tours in terms of attendance and grossing. Just because they weren't the highest grossing ever that doesn't mean they sucked or were a failure. You seem to be too focused on numbers and records.
No one said those artists were irrelevant, again you are projecting something you fight in your head onto people here. There are many ways you can measure a tour's success. Madonna is the most successful solo artists in terms of grossing (thanks to ticket prices being much higher nowadays than in the 80s or 90s) but not in attendance. As simple as that.
There are categories in which Michael is statistically the most successful and there are categories in which he is not and never was. You should accept that. It doesn't diminish his overall achievements, doesn't make him a travesty, a failure and whatnot.
So according to you Michael is a travesty and a has been just because his last tour was in 1998. Gosh, talk about speaking in extremes!
Michael had nothing to prove. If he had quit showbiz altogether so what? I actually wish he stopped touring when he first felt like he could not do it without Propofol (which was the HIStory tour). His health and life was more important than to make someone happy who wants to see his name on top of some record list for his own satisfaction.
So what do you want? Michael to raise from death and go touring to beat Madonna and U2 so that you can be happy?
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I totally agree with u 100%
As much as i loved seeing michael perform if he had fully retired from music i wouldve been happy for him . God knows the hell he went through being in the music business and i think that was part of the reason why he didnt like to tour as it did stress him out at times.
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I really enjoyed the first show but I want to go to Vegas to see the new show, I know it is awesome.
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I can't understand why Cirque put dates for Immortal in Brazil on their website in june and removed soon after...
I will be very sad if the Cirque did not come to Brazil.
Michael has millions of fans scattered throughout Brazil.
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Good news for the South African fans:clapping:
Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour is coming to Johannesburg in 2014
Published: 14 August 2013
The Estate of Michael Jackson and Cirque du Soleil have announced that Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour™ will tour to South Africa in March 2014 for an exclusive, once in a lifetime, series of shows at Johannesburg's Coca-Cola Dome.
This production uses Cirque du Soleil creativity to give fans worldwide a unique view into the spirit, passion and heart of the artistic genius who forever transformed global pop culture. Written and directed by Jamie King, the show includes 49 international dancers, musicians and acrobats. Since its world premiere in Montreal in October 2011, the enormously successful arena production has thrilled audiences across North America, Europe and Asia and was listed by Pollstar as one of the top five selling arena tours world-wide for the first half of 2013.
Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour™ will be presented for a strictly limited engagement at Johannesburg’s Coca-Cola Dome from Wednesday, 19 March 2014 until Saturday, 22 March 2014.
Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour is a riveting fusion of visuals, dance, music and fantasy that immerses audiences in Jackson’s creative world. Aimed at lifelong fans as well as those experiencing his creative genius for the first time, the show captures the essence, soul and inspiration of the King of Pop, celebrating a legacy that continues to transcend generations.
THE IMMORTAL World Tour takes place in a fantastical realm where the audience discovers Jackson’s inspiration and the wellspring of his creativity. The secrets of his inner world are unlocked - his love of music and dance, fairy tale and magic, and the fragile beauty of nature.
The underpinnings of THE IMMORTAL World Tour are Michael Jackson’s powerful, inspirational music and lyrics - the driving force behind the show - brought to life with extraordinary power and breath-taking intensity. Through unforgettable performances Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour underscores Jackson’s global messages of love, peace and unity.
Writer and director King is a multiple Emmy Award and MTV Video Music Award nominee and has choreographed some of the most popular music videos and directed some of the highest-grossing concert tours of all time. For the past 12 years, he has served as Madonna's creative director, and most recently directed world tours for Rihanna, Celine Dion, Spice Girls and Britney Spears. King has worked with an array of superstars including Ricky Martin, Christina Aguilera, Mariah Carey, Shakira, George Michael, Elton John, Diana Ross and Jennifer Lopez. This is his first show with Cirque du Soleil.
Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour features the diverse talents of the following creative minds: Guy Laliberté – creative guide; Gilles Ste-Croix – creative guide; Chantal Tremblay – director of Creation; Jamie King – writer and director; Carla Kama – associate show director; Kevin Antunes – musical designer; Greg Phillinganes – music director; Mark Fisher – set designer; Michael Curry – props and scenic designer; Zaldy Goco – costume designer; Germain Guillemot – acrobatic performance designer; Scott Osgood – rigging and acrobatic equipment designer; Olivier Goulet – projection designer; Martin Labrecque – lighting designer; François Desjardins – sound designer; Travis Payne – choreographer; Rich and Tone Talauega – choreographers; Debra Brown – acrobatic choreographer; Napoleon and Tabitha Dumo – choreographers; Jamal Sims – choreographer; Cloud and Tamara Levinson – choreographers; Mandy Moore – choreographer; Florence Cornet – makeup designer.
For a complete performance schedule and ticket information, click here.
Tickets go on sale through www.bigconcerts.co.za or www.computicket.com from 09:00 on Thursday, 15 August.
http://www.mediaupdate.co.za/?IDStory=55741
Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour is coming to Johannesburg in 2014
Published: 14 August 2013
The Estate of Michael Jackson and Cirque du Soleil have announced that Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour™ will tour to South Africa in March 2014 for an exclusive, once in a lifetime, series of shows at Johannesburg's Coca-Cola Dome.
This production uses Cirque du Soleil creativity to give fans worldwide a unique view into the spirit, passion and heart of the artistic genius who forever transformed global pop culture. Written and directed by Jamie King, the show includes 49 international dancers, musicians and acrobats. Since its world premiere in Montreal in October 2011, the enormously successful arena production has thrilled audiences across North America, Europe and Asia and was listed by Pollstar as one of the top five selling arena tours world-wide for the first half of 2013.
Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour™ will be presented for a strictly limited engagement at Johannesburg’s Coca-Cola Dome from Wednesday, 19 March 2014 until Saturday, 22 March 2014.
Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour is a riveting fusion of visuals, dance, music and fantasy that immerses audiences in Jackson’s creative world. Aimed at lifelong fans as well as those experiencing his creative genius for the first time, the show captures the essence, soul and inspiration of the King of Pop, celebrating a legacy that continues to transcend generations.
THE IMMORTAL World Tour takes place in a fantastical realm where the audience discovers Jackson’s inspiration and the wellspring of his creativity. The secrets of his inner world are unlocked - his love of music and dance, fairy tale and magic, and the fragile beauty of nature.
The underpinnings of THE IMMORTAL World Tour are Michael Jackson’s powerful, inspirational music and lyrics - the driving force behind the show - brought to life with extraordinary power and breath-taking intensity. Through unforgettable performances Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour underscores Jackson’s global messages of love, peace and unity.
Writer and director King is a multiple Emmy Award and MTV Video Music Award nominee and has choreographed some of the most popular music videos and directed some of the highest-grossing concert tours of all time. For the past 12 years, he has served as Madonna's creative director, and most recently directed world tours for Rihanna, Celine Dion, Spice Girls and Britney Spears. King has worked with an array of superstars including Ricky Martin, Christina Aguilera, Mariah Carey, Shakira, George Michael, Elton John, Diana Ross and Jennifer Lopez. This is his first show with Cirque du Soleil.
Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour features the diverse talents of the following creative minds: Guy Laliberté – creative guide; Gilles Ste-Croix – creative guide; Chantal Tremblay – director of Creation; Jamie King – writer and director; Carla Kama – associate show director; Kevin Antunes – musical designer; Greg Phillinganes – music director; Mark Fisher – set designer; Michael Curry – props and scenic designer; Zaldy Goco – costume designer; Germain Guillemot – acrobatic performance designer; Scott Osgood – rigging and acrobatic equipment designer; Olivier Goulet – projection designer; Martin Labrecque – lighting designer; François Desjardins – sound designer; Travis Payne – choreographer; Rich and Tone Talauega – choreographers; Debra Brown – acrobatic choreographer; Napoleon and Tabitha Dumo – choreographers; Jamal Sims – choreographer; Cloud and Tamara Levinson – choreographers; Mandy Moore – choreographer; Florence Cornet – makeup designer.
For a complete performance schedule and ticket information, click here.
Tickets go on sale through www.bigconcerts.co.za or www.computicket.com from 09:00 on Thursday, 15 August.
http://www.mediaupdate.co.za/?IDStory=55741
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