The Official R. Kelly Trial Thread

Just so I'm clear, is there place on the forums where we can compare the trials? It's just discussion, so are we flat-out not allowed to discuss both guys in the same thread anywhere on the board? I'm not trying to stir up trouble, I'd just like to know. There are many parallels in the cases of both men, as well as distinct differences, that warrant discussion. So if they are not allowed in this thread, are they allowed anywhere?

yes there are many similarities and there are many differences but i think it would be more apropos to ask a senior admin before making such a thread b/c people get protective of mj and when they do that ,they tend to go a bit overboard. :doh:
 
Why can't MJ party hes a free man?

MJ can also do whatever he wants?

So i'm not understanding your rant

I am just ranting. LOL. That is all. I do not know if MJ partied after he was a free man. I do know that after the vindication, MJ went home and ate a turkey sandwich, according to Jermaine.

and some of u may remember, there have been many r(ah) threads started on this board yet they've always been closed and deleted b/c it turns into an r kelly vs mj argument OR people go off on a tangent for no reason

That is why I stated that MJ should not be discussed on this thread. However, now that we know the verdict in Kels trial, I do not mind some comparision. Just do not go overboard. I am just curious, Supersition, did you even follow the MJ trial and if you did, why do you "need to know" some things? There is an achiove section on here all about the trial. You can read about it. Just asking.

have the jurrors said much else except for the bit on tmz?

There is an MTV.com article that I read on thatGrapejuice.net:

CHICAGO -- The jurors in the R. Kelly child-pornography trial didn't doubt whether it was the singer on the tape — they just doubted whether it was the girl prosecutors said it was.

"I thought it was R. Kelly on the tape," juror #9 said after the verdict was rendered. "I just wasn't 100 percent on the girl."

The five jurors who agreed to speak to the press following their not-guilty verdict said they felt the state hadn't presented enough evidence and that having the alleged victim on the stand would have made the difference.

"The key problem was the identity of the female," juror #23 said. "Her absence was a major lack."

"The family was too divided," said juror #9, who in the preliminary votes had voted for a guilty verdict. "So you had to discount the family testimony either way."

This didn't mean that the jurors bought all the defense arguments wholesale. The missing mole, for instance, was a non-issue, they said. They didn't want to examine the video any further, either.

"I've seen that video way too many times," juror #21 said. "The first time was too many."

Being sequestered — and the prospect of remaining sequestered over Father's Day — was not a factor in their quick verdict, they said.

"We wanted to go home, but we knew what we had to do," said juror #21. Nodding in agreement was juror #40, who just earlier that day had asked to be relieved of duty.

Had he — or juror #40 — been relieved, the vote would have gone very differently, said the three alternates who were dismissed earlier in the day. Jurors 65, 73 and 72 said in a separate news conference before the verdict was rendered that they were leaning toward guilty. "My opinion leans towards that it is him with the girl in the video," said juror #65.

Things might have also gone differently had evidence of Kelly's marriage to a then-15-year-old Aaliyah or the criminal sexual conduct lawsuits against him been part of the case, the seated jurors said, but that was not what they were given to consider.

"I didn't even know about that," juror #23 said. "But as jurors, we have to act within the confines of the law and what is legally presented."

"It's all just speculation," juror #21 said. "Who knows what we would have found [otherwise]?"

*shakes head*
 
Well, regardless of my disappointment with the verdict, it's good to see the jurors were doing their job fairly. It's all comes down to reasonable doubt. And although I don't agree with the jury, I can understand their position.
 
they couldnt prove it was the girl. even the pics the prosecution gave them to compare the girl to the female in the tape didnt resmeble each other.


thanks for that. with that being the case they came to the right decision based on the law and that is all u can do even if u think they are guilty.


Things might have also gone differently had evidence of Kelly's marriage to a then-15-year-old Aaliyah or the criminal sexual conduct lawsuits against him been part of the case, the seated jurors said, but that was not what they were given to consider.

so none of that was allowed in? i take it they dont have a prior bad acts law in that state?
 
i think r. kelly is very talented..but that tape shudda been enough 2 convict him..girl or not he is on tape having sex with a minor. So i dont understand what more do u need lol..4 her 2 be there with a birth certificate. As talented as he is there no excuse. The "man n the video" looks like r kelly, he talks like r kelly what more is there.
 
i think r. kelly is very talented..but that tape shudda been enough 2 convict him..girl or not he is on tape having sex with a minor. So i dont understand what more do u need lol..4 her 2 be there with a birth certificate. As talented as he is there no excuse. The "man n the video" looks like r kelly, he talks like r kelly what more is there.
The jury needed evidence that the girl was a minor. It could have been some 20 year old dressed up in school uniform. men are kinky that way. There was no evidence to say that the girl in question was the one on the tape. The girl said it wasn't her. That is reasonable doubt. You cannot put someone away just because you have a feeling about them You need hard evidence. It wasn't there in this case. This should have never have gone to trial in the first place. It was never a winnable case without a victim.
 
Alot of die hard R Kelly fans still maintain his inocence, how narrow minded?
I wonder what they have to say about the pics that were found in florida of the same tape?
If my idol had this kind of evidence against him, I'd have no doubt in my mind he is guilty, forget fandom or talent, a criminal is a criminal..
 
Here is a question that I would like to ask anyone that fully supports Kels - did you honestly believe that he is a pedophile? Just curious.
 
To be honest i don't teally know anything about him, all i know he is a musician and very talented.
He married Alliya when she was fifteen. I personally don't know what to think of him. All i know is and here what was shown in the courthouse. i know his music and that he's worked with mike but i don't know the person
 
The jury needed evidence that the girl was a minor. It could have been some 20 year old dressed up in school uniform. men are kinky that way. There was no evidence to say that the girl in question was the one on the tape. The girl said it wasn't her. That is reasonable doubt. You cannot put someone away just because you have a feeling about them You need hard evidence. It wasn't there in this case. This should have never have gone to trial in the first place. It was never a winnable case without a victim.

Ur right..but this isnt the 1st time. child pornography was found @ his home and i believe there are other tapes. I cant remember exactly but he has been in trouble more than once 4 this. I just dont get how he hasnt been convicted on the other tapes and crap found @ his home. He needs help
 
Ur right..but this isnt the 1st time. child pornography was found @ his home and i believe there are other tapes. I cant remember exactly but he has been in trouble more than once 4 this. I just dont get how he hasnt been convicted on the other tapes and crap found @ his home. He needs help
Did you see those tapes yourself or did you just hear about them> Could it be that the reason why they weren't presented in court was because they were none to present. Could R Kelly be a victim of malicious lies too? Just thinking out loud,
 
Ur right..but this isnt the 1st time. child pornography was found @ his home and i believe there are other tapes. I cant remember exactly but he has been in trouble more than once 4 this. I just dont get how he hasnt been convicted on the other tapes and crap found @ his home. He needs help

the only tapes i know of were the photos that were found in his florida home which werent allowed to be used.plus the previous settlements that comfirms that it was kelly on the tape but the jurrors already said they believe it was him so tbh thats no an issue unless it shows the girl clearly.as the jury said they didnt know about his previous issues. they can only judge on what is shown to them in a court of law and nothing else
 
Did you see those tapes yourself or did you just hear about them> Could it be that the reason why they weren't presented in court was because they were none to present. Could R Kelly be a victim of malicious lies too? Just thinking out loud,
 
Did you see those tapes yourself or did you just hear about them> Could it be that the reason why they weren't presented in court was because they were none to present. Could R Kelly be a victim of malicious lies too? Just thinking out loud,
 
it doesnt matter what has gone on in the past the fact is he can only be judged on what was shown in court. that is the reality of it and nothing more. yes ppl may think he got away with it.but the jury can only judge him on the case that is infront of them and it seems based on that case they made the right choice. blame the "victim" if you want to anyone to blame. her refusing to testify because she doesnt want to hurt kelly or because shes just the village bike who sees nothing wrong with it is what got kelly off. (presuming she was in the tape)
 
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it doesnt matter what has gone on in the past the fact is he can only be judged on what was shown in court. that is the reality of it and nothing more. yes ppl may think he got away with it.but the jury can only judge him on the case that is infront of them and it seems based on that case they made the right choice. blame the "victim" if you want to anyone to blame. her refusing to testify because she doesnt want to hurt kelly or because shes just the village bike who sees nothing wrong with it is what got kelly off. (presuming she was in the tape)
Indeed. And I do not think anyone was questioning whether R kelly was on the tape. The jury believed he was on the tape. Even his lawyers believed he was on the tape, just thought it was digitally manipulated. The facts remain that there was no vitim, 'THE glove didn't fit'
 
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yeap.the jurrors said it was him on the tape but they couldnt tell if it was her on the tape or not and the fact she refused to testify and said at the GJ it wasnt her basically made the case pointless.

how did she testify at the GJ that it wasnt her as GJs are just for the prosecution.did she lie to beable to testify and then turned around and said it wasnt me when on the stand?
 
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the tape that did the rounds was the tape used in court. he claimed he had no knowledge of it yet they found screen caps of it on his computer in florida. he was arrested and charged there before it was all thrown out due to a mes sup from the police. either they didn't wait for teh warrant or they went where they weren't allowed but he's lucky b/c florida is a hard state to be pros. in.

he was treated fairly. his defense had six yrs to come up w/ something (and that's the bes tthey could do), he had a normal bail, was able to travel outside of chicago, continued to promote and work on his career, and had a month long trial.

i'd prefer we not discuss mj in this thread b/c it's simply been tried and failed many times before. it starts civil but then it gets out of hand so let's don't but say we did.

now thereare reports from a witness who says she was threatened w/ death for testifying in the trial......
 
Kinda off topic...... but does anybody have the video or a link to when R Kelly sings happy birthday to Michael Jackson??
 
Did you see those tapes yourself or did you just hear about them> Could it be that the reason why they weren't presented in court was because they were none to present. Could R Kelly be a victim of malicious lies too? Just thinking out loud,
 
yeap.the jurrors said it was him on the tape but they couldnt tell if it was her on the tape or not and the fact she refused to testify and said at the GJ it wasnt her basically made the case pointless.

how did she testify at the GJ that it wasnt her as GJs are just for the prosecution.did she lie to beable to testify and then turned around and said it wasnt me when on the stand?

the girl and her parents never said it was her. all of them denied this in front of a grand jury back in 2002 and have stuck with their claim. thats why the prosecution didnt call them again cause they would of still denied it. and it was also said that she didnt resemble the girl who was on the tape back then. now imagine what she looked like 6 years later.

not to mention the prosection gave the jurors pics of her when she was supposedly 13, 14 to compare to the tape and the jurors said the girl in the pics and on the tape didnt even resemble.

so with all the denial and the jurors not seeing a resemblance in pics of her back when she was 13, 14 can't nobody really say who the female is in the tape. unless they were there when it was recorded.

everything else is just speculation.

now i'm done talking about this here and anywhere else

a not guilty verdict was rendered and its over.

and i hope since the jury has said that it wasn't her and it was never to be proven as her i hope her and her parents start suing people for defamation of character, who continue to say it is without proof.

 
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the girl and her parents never said it was her. all of them denied this in front of a grand jury back in 2002
how did they get to testify to that at he grand jury? did they pull a fast one on the prosecution
 
yeah i know that but grand jurys only hear prosecution evidence. so did the pros subpoena the girl and family without even knowing what they were gonna say? pretty dumb thing to do
 
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