Was Michael Jackson really murdered? Who did it? Let's talk about it

I am now having a lot of trouble understanding why anyone would NOT want to know what really happened? There is not enough evidence to prove, yet, that that others were involved with Michael's death. But, there is a lot that is suspicious. There is absolutely NO proof that Murray acted alone. None. It's obvious, for one thing, that he lied. Michael was dead a LOT longer than he'd like us to believe. Why? A simple mistake? The most outrageously stupid mistake imaginable? Or covering tracks? Or someone else killed Michael and left Murray holding the bag? We do NOT know yet. . . .but I think we will. . . . .
and we dont know for a fact that he didnt act alone. the only issue i have is to many posts on here seem to state it as fact that it was a conspiracy etc. not that its an opinion theory.im open to all things when the facts support it. but at this time bar a few things all i see is grasping at straws to make things support someones opinion.sorry

re the tapes i saw on another board that the first to report it was the N.E then it was picked up on cnn by (cant remember her name) someone like nancy grace who has a show on there.

re thome. bain was sacked aswell so can u imply she was involved in the murder. if we are gonna start accusing ppl then there needs to be slightly more evidence than he was sacked thats a motive to kill mj. he also sueing the estate aswell so hes going after money that way.like during 03-05 although now we are on the opposite side ie pros. we need real evidence. not something that sneddon would create

There is much more. My question now is, "Why would anyone NOT want to know, for certain?" Unfathomable at this point. I, for one, loved Michael like my own family and can do no less than try. .
everyone wants to know but im not into creating things out of nothing. mjs dead what happened is bad enough i dont need to turn it into a conpiracy by loads of ppl when what murray did is bad enough on its own. if the evidence comes out to show things rather than ppl picking and chosing to what fits their theory then yes ill support it.but at this time all im intrested in is what the police come out with.
 
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the 'spiritual advisor' that uncovered the 'conspiracy ' by the 'mean' and 'evil' Tohme wants money now from MJ's estate , go figure .
 
I'm really unsure. The Los Angeles Police Department is keeping everything on the "down-low" so it's very hard to tell what's going on here. Perhaps time will tell.
 
the 'spiritual advisor' that uncovered the 'conspiracy ' by the 'mean' and 'evil' Tohme wants money now from MJ's estate , go figure .

Claiming what?

I have wondered what type of readings she does.
 
and we dont know for a fact that he didnt act alone. the only issue i have is to many posts on here seem to state it as fact that it was a conspiracy etc. not that its an opinion theory.im open to all things when the facts support it. but at this time bar a few things all i see is grasping at straws to make things support someones opinion.sorry

re the tapes i saw on another board that the first to report it was the N.E then it was picked up on cnn by (cant remember her name) someone like nancy grace who has a show on there.

re thome. bain was sacked aswell so can u imply she was involved in the murder. if we are gonna start accusing ppl then there needs to be slightly more evidence than he was sacked thats a motive to kill mj. he also sueing the estate aswell so hes going after money that way.like during 03-05 although now we are on the opposite side ie pros. we need real evidence. not something that sneddon would create


everyone wants to know but im not into creating things out of nothing. mjs dead what happened is bad enough i dont need to turn it into a conpiracy by loads of ppl when what murray did is bad enough on its own. if the evidence comes out to show things rather than ppl picking and chosing to what fits their theory then yes ill support it.but at this time all im intrested in is what the police come out with.

This is the Investigative Unit where the possibility of conspiracies are explored. This is obviously upsetting to you, so I'm not sure why you continue to post? If you are interested in what the police come out with, by all means wait?

Raymone was sacked, and so have a lot of other people been sacked. Tohme was the only one Michael said he was AFRAID of, and he was the most recent, AND, he did not go away when fired.

I'll repeat. Tohme was the one of whom Michael said he was AFRAID. I'm not getting why that is difficult to understand in terms of logic?
 
Maybe he will eventually make it to Larry King Live.

Who knows.
 
..as soon as he decides which University to print the

Doctor's diploma from ;)
 
This is the Investigative Unit where the possibility of conspiracies are explored. This is obviously upsetting to you, so I'm not sure why you continue to post? If you are interested in what the police come out with, by all means wait?
its not upsetting .just that some post things as if they are facts and post things that arent even true just because it suits their theory. thats not helping getting to the bottom of things is it.its just clouding the issues.i dont like seeing ppl post things that arent true or twisting things becasue it suites their theory. sorry vic u know i have nothing but respect for you but when i think of what itwas like here in 03-05 and what its like now well . i just hope things change when/if any charges come and then the facts can be discussed. but maybe that wont be exciting enough for some. we dont know who else mj said he was afraid of . konitzer weisner? we only knew cause these calls were recorded its hardly beyond reasonable doubt to a jury that thome was involved. mj sacked him in the end so he wasnt that scared. if ppl want to say thome was involved than there needs to be more evidence than mj was scared of him.anyway this is going round in circles i have enough to worry about i just hope i see all the ppl who are in this forum in the threads/forums thatwill be created when charges get placed on murray time will tell. im done b4 i get mod qued like others for daring to have a different opinion.first i got in trouble for not kissing AEG ass back in the day now it seems to be the opposite.
 
Vic you were the one who always asked people to visit the IU and see all the 'investigative work' done by the members here . well , we came BACK here and read everything and giving our opinion of what members posted here , i think we have the right to do so .

why are you now asking everyone to leave ? we were here also during the trial and we did investigate and educate ourselves back then . You have no right to tell us to leave , we are discussing everything EVERYTHING , and we are not asking anyone to stop posting .
 
Vic you were the one who always asked people to visit the IU and see all the 'investigative work' done by the members here . well , we came BACK here and read everything and giving our opinion of what members posted here , i think we have the right to do so .

why are you now asking everyone to leave ? we were here also during the trial and we did investigate and educate ourselves back then . You have no right to tell us to leave , we are discussing everything EVERYTHING , and we are not asking anyone to stop posting .

I did more during the trial than you know or can possibly imagine. I risked my LIFE.

I am in NO way asking everyone to leave, and you totally know that. I AM asking those who do not respect "conspiracy theories to leave, and I'd guess that is only you? I'm askng everyone to respect the rules of the forum as stated, so that discussions can go forward. That is totally reasonable. . .
 
I posted my concern in the Morphine song thread :p, now I'll share it with you again:

the 911 call was made late,
when Michael was taken to the hospital, the Doctor disappeared for a long time, and then PUF! he appears with lawyer talking for him, and givin' declaration to LAPD,
and "coincidently" after this, police look for drugs at the mansion...

Where was that doctor and what was he doing through this time??? I think he wasn't just covering his marks, but actually adding new ones.

The doctors whom treated him say he asked them for prescriptions or that he traveled with his "mini-clinic",
and MJ's friends and people who saw him days before he died or traveled with him keep saying they never saw any drug, any needle mark on his body, any weird behaviour....

Demerol was found:
1.-Illegal to take it an even worse administrate it outside a hospital or Intensive Care unit
2.-only for anesthesiologists use
3.-well known 'cause:
a.- intravenous constant and controled administration in order to keep the patient asleep.
b.- in the moment the administration of the drug is stopped, the patient wakes up inmediatly.
c.- requires constant monitoring, just one more unit can stop the patient's heart.

Remember the doctors are the ones to be investigated for crime.


And of course it was an homicide! Only a criminal can give/sell/traffic reguled medication to a person with former adiction issues or anyone else.

If you want the facts, they are as follows.

The drug was not Demerol. It was Diprivan/Propofol. It is not illegal to administer outside a hospital or intensive care unit. The physician was a cardiologist and likely trained in this as well as other medications. He is a licensed physician.

It is not just for anesthesiologist use. Many drugs can be used for 'off label' use.

The drug stops the breathing; not the heart. Of course major overdose of many drugs or even vitamins and minerals can stop the heart too.
 
I am in NO way asking everyone to leave, and you totally know that. I AM asking those who do not respect "conspiracy theories to leave, and I'd guess that is only you? I'm askng everyone to respect the rules of the forum as stated, so that discussions can go forward. That is totally reasonable. . .
the rules need to be clarifyed. the name of the section changed because its not clear. if the only talk in the section that is allowed is creating conspiracys and agreeing with them then that needs to be confirmed.so we know where we stand and can take the right action.thats all im asking for. because at this point it seems like ppl are trying to act like all discussion is allowed then in the next sentence anyone who doesnt agree with a theory is told to leave.instead of ppl being warned,modqued and even banned the rules need to be confirmed and if we arent allowed to post that we dont agree with certain theories and arent allowed to point out false info then fine i will leave and leave u all to it.
 
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A conspiracy by definition means that there is more than one person involved, and that it is intentional. This is the forum where conspiracy theories are discussed, as has been stated in the guidelines from day-one. If one does not want to discuss conspiracies, that's perfectly fine. But then why post in a forum that does so? I just don't understand it, unless the posts are directed toward:

1. Closing the forum altogether because some people think there was no conspiracy?

2. Convincing everyone here, in a forum where conspiracies are discussed, that there was no conspiracy?

3. Revising the guidelines in some way? In WHAT way, then?

Back to the topic of the thread, "Was Michael Jackson really murdered?" Given all I've seen, read, heard, and the patterns that have formed. I'd say "yes." But that is more a hunch than a theory. . . . yet.
 
Back to the topic of the thread, "Was Michael Jackson really murdered?" Given all I've seen, read, heard, and the patterns that have formed. I'd say "yes." But that is more a hunch than a theory. . . . yet.

Victoria, to me, that was a hunch when Michael announced his shows in London, and during those past two months, the hunch became stronger.

I feel so bad. :no: I never said anything.
 
Thomas Barrack had hand in Michael's murder. Thome is friend of his.

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In conclusion: Reimagining Michael Jackson
Written by Chris Lee & Harriet Ryan / Los Angeles Times
Tuesday, 02 June 2009 19:30


EDITOR’S NOTE: Here is the concluding part of a Los Angeles Times story on how financier Tom Barrack and a few other financial heavyweights may succeed where many others have failed: make Michael Jackson, the faded “King of Pop,” relevant again. The first part appeared in yesterday’s issue.

THE concert production firm AEG Live has proposed a three-year tour starting in Europe, then traveling to Asia and finally returning to the United States. Although Michael Jackson has thus far only committed to the series of 50 sold-out shows at O2 Arena in London, AEG’s Phillips Anschutz estimates ticket sales for the global concerts would exceed $450 million.

“One would hope he would end up netting around 50 percent of that,” Phillips said.

The private-equity firm Colony Capital’s Tom Barrack, the man who set Jackson’s comeback in motion, has seen his net worth drop with the financial crisis of the last year. Forbes estimated his wealth at $2.3 billion around the time he met Jackson, but he is now merely a multimillionaire. He said the economic downturn makes Jackson even more attractive as an investment because his value has been overlooked: In times like this, he said, “finding little pieces of information that others don’t have” is more important than ever.

His company isn’t exposed to any risk by working with Jackson. All the money Colony has put up is backed by the value of Neverland and related assets, he said. If Jackson regains firm financial footing, Barrack’s company could be a partner in future deals. “When he looks back and says, ‘Who took the risk? Who was there?’ I mean, he gets it. So that’s my hope,” Barrack said.

It all depends on what happens on July 13 when the lights go down in the O2 Arena. Doubts about Jackson’s reliability are widespread because of his long concert hiatus. Those concerns were heightened earlier this month when the show’s opening night was pushed back five days. Phillips and Kenny Ortega, the director, blamed production problems and said Jackson was ready to perform.

Fans demonstrated their faith in Jackson months ago when they snapped up 750,000 tickets for shows through March 2010 in less than four hours. “We could have done 200 shows if he were willing to live in London for two years,” Phillips said.

Amid the high stakes, Phillips has taken a hands-on approach more reminiscent of his early days as a talent manager for acts, including Guns N’ Roses and Lionel Richie, than as the company’s chief executive.

A reputation, a do-or-die moment

IN addition to the more than $20 million AEG is paying to produce the shows, the company is putting its reputation on the line for a performer with a track record of missed performances and canceled dates. In a video news conference earlier this month, Phillips acknowledged that the company has only been able to insure 23 of the 50 This Is It performances.” In this business, if you don’t take risks, you don’t achieve greatness,” Phillips said.

Phillips said he speaks with Jackson regularly and has closely monitored rehearsals in a Burbank soundstage. In response to questions about his physical condition, especially in light of his previous addiction to prescription painkillers, Phillips said Jackson passed a rigorous medical examination. Associates also say he adheres to a strict vegetarian diet and works out with a personal trainer.

But the problems that have bedeviled Jackson in the past—infighting, disorganization and questionable advisors—persist.

In an interview last week Dr. Tohme Tohme, an orthopedic surgeon-turned-businessman who had previously worked with Colony Capital, identified himself as the singer’s “manager, spokesman, everything” and spoke about the benefits of dealing with business titans Barrack and Anschutz rather than their “sleazy” predecessors. “Michael Jackson is an institution. He needs to be run like an institution,” Tohme said.

The next day, however, Frank DiLeo, Jackson’s current manager and a friend of three decades, claimed he was Jackson’s manager and said Tohme had been fired a month and a half earlier. Tohme denied being fired but declined further comment.

In April Jackson fired the accounting firm, Cannon & Co., that had worked for him for a year, according to an accountant who worked on his finances. Jeff Cannon of Cannon & Co. said he received a phone call from an assistant of Jackson who said the singer no longer required his services.

Then there is Arfaq Hussain. A British man who met Jackson in the late 1990s, Hussain designed clothing for the performer—including an air-conditioned jacket, a pair of self-adjusting, rhodium-plated shoes and the “Crystal Miracle,” a jacket covered with 275,000 rock crystals—and tried to launch a business selling $75,000 bottles of perfume by trading on Jackson’s name.

In 2002 Hussain was jailed for four months in Britain for charges related to business fraud. Hussain and Jackson recently became reacquainted and the singer hired him as an assistant, DiLeo said.

The woman who was Jackson’s public face during his 2005 criminal trial on allegations of child sexual abuse, former manager and spokesman Raymone Bain, is pressing a federal breach of contract suit against the singer. Bain claims that Jackson cheated her out of her 10-percent cut of several business deals, including the AEG concerts. Bain is to ask a judge in Washington, D.C., next month to seize the portion she alleges is hers, citing Jackson’s history of evading creditors.

In his corner office high above Century City, Barrack is sanguine about reports of disharmony.

“You have the same thousand parasites that start to float back in and take advantage of the situation and that has happened a little at the edges,” he said. But, he added, he had confidence in AEG’s ability to keep Jackson focused.

The concerts, Phillips acknowledged, are a do-or-die moment for Jackson.

“If it doesn’t happen, it would be a major problem for him, career-wise, in a way that it hasn’t been in the past,” he said.
http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/life/11161-in-conclusion-reimagining-michael-jackson.html
 
Barrack and Thome and AEG had full control over Michael.


Dealmakers behind King of Pop's planned return
Published June 26, 2009 at 12:08 PM


Amid all the chatter about Michael Jackson's untimely passing, there was mention of his upcoming comeback tour. Behind those plans stood two dealmakers likely familiar to most readers of The Deal: Philip Anschutz and Tom Barrack Jr.

Michael Jackson's sinking music career over the last decade has been no secret, but Anschutz, who owns the world's second-largest entertainment company AEG, overcame the King of Pop's initial apprehensions about coming out of retirement and in January signed him to a concert deal at a meeting in Las Vegas.

The deal would have brought back the "gloved one" to perform in 50 live concerts at the AEG-owned O2 arena in London. The shows would have paid Jackson as much as £100 million ($164 million). The meeting took years of planning, but The London Evening Standard reports the key that got the ball rolling was a call made by Anschutz friend, Barrack, a real estate billionaire who paid via Colony Capital LLC $23.5 billion for Jackson's Neverland Ranch in 2008.

Jackson reportedly was in desperate need for money because of his legal troubles and exorbitant spending. Media reports suggested that he owed close to $400 million. Besides the Neverland transaction, Barrack told Anschutz that he and Dr. Tohme Tohme, Jackson's physician and official spokesperson, would control the pop star's fleeting finances, which included rescheduling $100 million in debt. The dealings were enough to set up the fateful January meeting in Las Vegas where the concert deal was struck.

Randy Phillips, an executive of AEG Live who was a key player in the January meeting, told the Evening Standard: "They [Barrack and Tohme] were restructuring loans and settling all the law suits. Michael had got into so much trouble because he didn't have the security blanket of managers. As sophisticated as he is, he is very trusting, almost to a fault."

But Anschutz and his team lead by Phillips had a turnaround strategy for Jackson: "I gave them [Barrack and Tohme] the plan I had been working on -- a four-year period of him playing live, releasing new music and a whole other bunch of commercial tie-ins including a new version of Thriller in 3D that would open on Halloween." - Gerald Magpily
http://www.thedeal.com/dealscape/2009/06/anschutz_dealmaking_team_plan.php
 
This is the second article that I came across that revealed Thome was there with Michael at the time of his death. Jermaine mentioned it at the hospital. Then we never heard that Thome being there. I believe it could be true that Thome was there with Murray. Murray didn't act alone for sure. Murray mentioned to the media, that he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. He said like that he was a third person. In this article when Thome was asked whether he was at MJ's home, he said he wasn't liberty to speak.

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Mystery over doctor who tried to save dying Jackson
Amar Singh
26.06.09


A SERIES of questions today surrounded the man who allegedly tried and failed to resuscitate Michael Jackson following his heart attack.

Dr Tohme Tohme has been described as Jackson's personal physician, close friend, manager and official spokesman. Today he stood silently by the side of Jermaine Jackson as he announced to the world that his brother had died.

According to Jermaine, Dr Tohme was with Jackson when he collapsed at his rented home in Los Angeles yesterday and then tried to resuscitate the pop star. Asked for his reaction at the press conference, Dr Tohme simply replied that Jermaine would be the only representative for the family.

According to close associates, Jackson and Dr Tohme had fallen out since coming to London in March to announce his comeback tour. Sources say they were no longer on speaking terms.

Jackson is said to have formally notified associates last month that Dr Tohme, who paved the way for the deal for the This Is It tour, was not representing him after he received a cease-and-desist letter for the O2 residency from AllGood Entertainment, the company that had represented the Jackson 5.

The row had led to Jackson re-connecting with Frank DiLeo, who managed the singer in his Eighties heyday.

It was Mr DiLeo, not Dr Tohme, who had been acting as Jackson's manager over the last two months, according to his business associates. A source said: "Michael had a revolving door of managers and it seemed that Dr Tohme was out the exit. It's surprising that Dr Tohme was around when Michael died - he seemed shut out over the past weeks."

Doctor-turned-businessman Dr Tohme says he is a qualified orthopaedic surgeon from Saudi Arabia. He met Jackson when the singer was defaulting on a £10million loan. They were introduced by Jermaine. Dr Tohme promised that he could refinance Jackson's spiralling £100million debt and quickly became his manager and confidant.

Dr Tohme brokered a deal between Jackson and Colony Capital, a private-equity firm run by billionaire Tom Barrack Jr. Philip Anschutz, owner of AEG Live, the US entertainment giant which went on to handle the final tour, then received a call from Mr Barrack, his friend. Randy Phillips, AEG chief executive, said: "I got a call from Dr Tohme, who said Michael was in bad financial straits." Last December, Mr Phillips presented Dr Tohme with his vision. "Phase one would be 10 shows at the O2," he said.

But as the pressure of what had grown to 50 shows mounted, it would appear that Dr Tohme - the very man who had "saved" him from financial ruin - was no longer welcome in Jackson's life.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...ver-doctor-who-tried-to-save-dying-jackson.do
 
This is the second article that I came across that revealed Thome was there with Michael at the time of his death. Jermaine mentioned it at the hospital. Then we never heard that Thome being there. I believe it could be true that Thome was there with Murray. Murray didn't act alone for sure. Murray mentioned to the media, that he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. He said like that he was a third person. In this article when Thome was asked whether he was at MJ's home, he said he wasn't liberty to speak.

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Mystery over doctor who tried to save dying Jackson
Amar Singh
26.06.09


A SERIES of questions today surrounded the man who allegedly tried and failed to resuscitate Michael Jackson following his heart attack.

Dr Tohme Tohme has been described as Jackson's personal physician, close friend, manager and official spokesman. Today he stood silently by the side of Jermaine Jackson as he announced to the world that his brother had died.

According to Jermaine, Dr Tohme was with Jackson when he collapsed at his rented home in Los Angeles yesterday and then tried to resuscitate the pop star. Asked for his reaction at the press conference, Dr Tohme simply replied that Jermaine would be the only representative for the family.

According to close associates, Jackson and Dr Tohme had fallen out since coming to London in March to announce his comeback tour. Sources say they were no longer on speaking terms.

Jackson is said to have formally notified associates last month that Dr Tohme, who paved the way for the deal for the This Is It tour, was not representing him after he received a cease-and-desist letter for the O2 residency from AllGood Entertainment, the company that had represented the Jackson 5.

The row had led to Jackson re-connecting with Frank DiLeo, who managed the singer in his Eighties heyday.

It was Mr DiLeo, not Dr Tohme, who had been acting as Jackson's manager over the last two months, according to his business associates. A source said: "Michael had a revolving door of managers and it seemed that Dr Tohme was out the exit. It's surprising that Dr Tohme was around when Michael died - he seemed shut out over the past weeks."

Doctor-turned-businessman Dr Tohme says he is a qualified orthopaedic surgeon from Saudi Arabia. He met Jackson when the singer was defaulting on a £10million loan. They were introduced by Jermaine. Dr Tohme promised that he could refinance Jackson's spiralling £100million debt and quickly became his manager and confidant.

Dr Tohme brokered a deal between Jackson and Colony Capital, a private-equity firm run by billionaire Tom Barrack Jr. Philip Anschutz, owner of AEG Live, the US entertainment giant which went on to handle the final tour, then received a call from Mr Barrack, his friend. Randy Phillips, AEG chief executive, said: "I got a call from Dr Tohme, who said Michael was in bad financial straits." Last December, Mr Phillips presented Dr Tohme with his vision. "Phase one would be 10 shows at the O2," he said.

But as the pressure of what had grown to 50 shows mounted, it would appear that Dr Tohme - the very man who had "saved" him from financial ruin - was no longer welcome in Jackson's life.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...ver-doctor-who-tried-to-save-dying-jackson.do

Amber, these are great finds, and thanks. The thing is, I don't think Jermaine made a mistake when he initially said Tohme was the doctor present when Michael died. Jerm is not all that smart? I think Tohme WAS there. And Murray probably went to see the girlfriend, came back to find Michael gone, too late to revive. The rest was utter panic and clean-up.

Despite recent "difficulties" here in the I.U., I am now even more convinced that Tohme was the one who killed Michael. Not sure why Murray is not free to speak, but it may be a combination of carrot and stick (a lot of money promised, and threats).

I have no idea if Tohme is any sort of medical doctor, but I'll bet Michael thought he was, and in that sense would have been more comfortable with Tohme prescribing meds or even doing procedures. I KNEW I heard Jerm say Tohme was the doctor with Michael. I think that in the chaos of the moment, when the murder was reality and not just an "assassination plan," some people may have told more of the truth than was wise for them?

No one has ever found proof that Tohme is a medical doctor. I think Murray was necessary because Tohme couldn't prescribe or acquire meds, but Murray could. Tohme totally LIED when he said he was an ambassador (Senegal). His material vanished from websites immediately following Michael's death. I think he's the consummate con-artist. He said several times that he was "in control" of Michael, his career, finances, everything. Then as time went on, Michael became afraid of him but didn't know how to "lose him." I think it was probably through Tohme that Murray came into Michael's life, either through Jermaine or a body-guard. I think Murray was "selected." Then either he was always supposed to be the fall-guy, or even got cold feet and Tohme stepped in.

Now it's looking like Murray will get off with manslaughter and no prison time? This is NOT over. . . . . . .

I am concerned about Murray's safety, actually. He KNOWS what happened. I hope he doesn't "drop dead" on the street like that guy who worked with Klein?????? I hope he eventually "sings."
 
Victoria,couldn't agree more.
Murray couldn't possibly be on his own.
My thought is that we should keep an eye on his finances from now on.Somehow I have the feeling all of his debts will be arranged.
 
And yes,I think you are right,M is in danger.Either he gets well paid or if he is too afraid,he's out of the picture.
 
Victoria, you are right. To me, it's kind of obvious, Thome had something to do with it.
I mean, just look at his face when Michael announced his TII concerts, and then when Jermaine announced the death of Michael. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. I found it creepy. You can see it in his face!

But then, here is something Firpo Carr wrote?

Now, I know you need time to recover from this reality, but, here comes the next shocker: AEG and Dr. Tohme Tohme may not be silent culprits in Michael's death. Oh, I have it on good authority that they drove him relentlessly. Some say they even mistreated him so as to get a major payday. But, kill the King of Pop (really, the King Of All Music!)? Not likely, based on new information I've been made privy to, but am not at liberty to share at this time. Anyway you look at it you come to the stark realization that there are more plot twists in this entire ordeal than in an Agatha Christie novel.

Should we believe Firpo??? I mean, if THIS is what he is getting from the "new private information", then I'm afraid those investigating ISN'T getting this right....or...is Firpo right? Will we really just want to "drop our marbles and go home"?

I'm confused.
 
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Thanks Amber!

These articles are very important for various reasons:

Number one, it confirms how Tohme was still conducting business for Michael even after he was officially fired. Something a few of us (myself included) have been saying the entire time.

Number two, it reveals again that at time of death, tohme was reportedly the personal doctor of Michael Jackson.

Number three, it connects (again) tohme with the money. Follow the money.

Tohme is up to his eyeballs in this murderous plot.
 
Watch it... Dr. Thome came from nowhere... and soon he'll disappear there... means if he hasn't disappeared already yet. My guess also!
 
He's already legged it by the looks of things, he was supposed to come on LKL but never did...i got a strange feeling we aint gonna see him again lol
 
Great find Amber!

I said I thought Thome may have told Michael he was a doctor and maybe Michael believed it but then found out or checked it out and he was lied to and that's when the problems started. He fired Thome and a month later he's dead??? How stupid do some think we are! And someone on record saying Jermaine admitted Thome was at the house that awful day? But of course; realistically how did he end up at the hospital so fast? Yeah Jermaine called him you say but why would Jermaine waste time calling someone Michael had fired when he should be worried about his family first? If true, this means Jermaine knows something's not clean in the milk. What does he feel right now? What goes through his mind? What is he thinking?

And Murray; he really is Lee Harvey Oswald. He'd better hope there's no Jack Ruby around the corner for him.

Yall keep the articles coming. I was in a daze those days and I didn't pay much attention to any of the print or TV media. I was in a daze for weeks afterward. But I find that the first reactions of most people is mostly their genuine reactions so the first things that come out and people say, catch it because when they have time to think about it, the story'll change and get cleaned up.
 
This is the second article that I came across that revealed Thome was there with Michael at the time of his death. Jermaine mentioned it at the hospital. Then we never heard that Thome being there. I believe it could be true that Thome was there with Murray. Murray didn't act alone for sure. Murray mentioned to the media, that he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. He said like that he was a third person. In this article when Thome was asked whether he was at MJ's home, he said he wasn't liberty to speak.

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Mystery over doctor who tried to save dying Jackson
Amar Singh
26.06.09

A SERIES of questions today surrounded the man who allegedly tried and failed to resuscitate Michael Jackson following his heart attack.

Dr Tohme Tohme has been described as Jackson's personal physician, close friend, manager and official spokesman. Today he stood silently by the side of Jermaine Jackson as he announced to the world that his brother had died.

According to Jermaine, Dr Tohme was with Jackson when he collapsed at his rented home in Los Angeles yesterday and then tried to resuscitate the pop star. Asked for his reaction at the press conference, Dr Tohme simply replied that Jermaine would be the only representative for the family.

According to close associates, Jackson and Dr Tohme had fallen out since coming to London in March to announce his comeback tour. Sources say they were no longer on speaking terms.

Jackson is said to have formally notified associates last month that Dr Tohme, who paved the way for the deal for the This Is It tour, was not representing him after he received a cease-and-desist letter for the O2 residency from AllGood Entertainment, the company that had represented the Jackson 5.

The row had led to Jackson re-connecting with Frank DiLeo, who managed the singer in his Eighties heyday.

It was Mr DiLeo, not Dr Tohme, who had been acting as Jackson's manager over the last two months, according to his business associates. A source said: "Michael had a revolving door of managers and it seemed that Dr Tohme was out the exit. It's surprising that Dr Tohme was around when Michael died - he seemed shut out over the past weeks."

Doctor-turned-businessman Dr Tohme says he is a qualified orthopaedic surgeon from Saudi Arabia. He met Jackson when the singer was defaulting on a £10million loan. They were introduced by Jermaine. Dr Tohme promised that he could refinance Jackson's spiralling £100million debt and quickly became his manager and confidant.

Dr Tohme brokered a deal between Jackson and Colony Capital, a private-equity firm run by billionaire Tom Barrack Jr. Philip Anschutz, owner of AEG Live, the US entertainment giant which went on to handle the final tour, then received a call from Mr Barrack, his friend. Randy Phillips, AEG chief executive, said: "I got a call from Dr Tohme, who said Michael was in bad financial straits." Last December, Mr Phillips presented Dr Tohme with his vision. "Phase one would be 10 shows at the O2," he said.

But as the pressure of what had grown to 50 shows mounted, it would appear that Dr Tohme - the very man who had "saved" him from financial ruin - was no longer welcome in Jackson's life.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...ver-doctor-who-tried-to-save-dying-jackson.do

I know this is soo insignificant right now but how credible is this article since it says that MJ "collapsed" that day?

Remember the collapsing story that turned out to be not true?

Regardless, are we sure that Jermaine really said that TT was there? Any videos?
 
Wow! Thanks for this article. After reading this, if TT was really at the house, the theory of someone, who knows what he's doing, messing up with the propofol drip while Murray's on the phone or in the bathroom is starting to make more sense to me.

Like someone said, at first TT appears as the savior to MJ's financial predicament as he introduced him to all the "right" people who offers Michael a huge budget and creative freedom for a new concert. An offer he couldn't refuse.

But as things progress, Michael becomes "uncomfortable" with TT (from tapes saying he's scared of him). Enters Dileo, someone he trusts.

Maybe MJ didn't know TT the creep was in the house, when he got home that night. That mansion is huge.

Has anybody confirmed anything about CCTV data missing? Let me guess. TT arriving and departing deleted?

I wish people like Teddy Riley and Firpo Carr would find the courage to be brave like Michael and drop some names instead of wussing out on us under the excuse of "there's an investigation going on", "not at liberty to say" etc. etc.

As far as Firpo saying [But, kill the King of Pop (really, the King Of All Music!)? ]

I think at first, probably not. Ideally, everybody would've made money and lived happily ever after, but i'm sure they're was a plan B in place other than the risky insurance minimal pay off, in case the investors thought money would be lost.

On Wall Street, investors call it Put options. Investors in some company stocks will "bet" the stocks will go down and then cash in as stocks plummet after "they" destroy said companies by either spreading damaging rumors in the media or more dramatically "arrange" for some unfortunate event to happen like fire, crash, explosion etc. depending on how low they want the stocks to drop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6uNFdiI-fM
 
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