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Follies set to take stage
The Tonight Show will come to life in Fort Payne next week as the annual Krazy Kudzu Follies takes the stage.
Chamber Executive Director Carol Beddingfield said Johnny Carson will be the emcee this year.
“For all of us who are old enough to remember who Johnny Carson is, they will remember how funny he was,” Beddingfield said. “There were always animals showing up and live entertainment. Our Tonight Show will be quite similar.”
She said this year also marks the 25th anniversary of Thriller and a special visit is expected from Michael Jackson.
There will also be a performance by M.C. Hammer, according to Beddingfield.
A record number of performers have pledged their support for the chamber fundraiser.
“More than 75 people have their costumes ready and their acts together,” Beddingfield said.
As it has become a tradition, Dr. Charles Isbell is also featured as a performer. Beddingfield said the longtime Fort Payne doctor has said he encourages everyone to escape the problems of today’s high-stressed daily life through laughter.
“One of the main reasons he is in the Follies every year is to make memories and laugh,” she said.
The performances will be May 1-3 at 6 p.m. at the DeKalb Theatre.
Tickets are $15 each and are available at the chamber office and at Bruce’s Foodland.
Call the chamber at 845-2741.
http://newyork.metromix.com/movies/movie/2008-tribeca-film-festival-new-york/383882/content
2008 Tribeca Film Festival Drive-In
You can't really watch movies from your car at the Tribeca Drive-In, but this free outdoor screening series at the World Financial Center Plaza is the next best thing. The series kicks off Thursday (4/24) with a special screening of Michael Jackson's classic "Thriller" video, with director John Landis on hand. Zombie dance instruction included.
http://newyork.metromix.com/restaurants/photogallery/snap-judgment-thriller-night/391989/content
Groovin’ ghouls bust out the moves at downtown’s zombie disco. Aaaaaaowwww!
As part of the free outdoor screenings at this year's Tribeca Film Festival, a freaked-out bunch of zombies, ghouls and, well, Michael Jackson fans flocked to the World Financial Center Plaza to celebrate the 25th anniversary of his groundbreaking "Thriller" video.
M.J. look-alikes were on hand to lend cred to the event, which included a Michael Jackson dance-off, a showstopping number from the contestants on Bravo TV’s “Step It Up And Dance,” and a screening of the “Thriller” video introduced by its director, John Landis. It was a scream.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24314870/
Director: Funds for ‘Thriller’ almost didn’t appear
John Landis says no one wanted to pay for Michael Jackson video at first
Landis, who had made his directorial debut with “Animal House,” took the job because he saw it as a chance to resurrect a genre that had once been a Hollywood staple. “It was a great opportunity to bring back the theatrical short,” he said.
Music videos were new and evolving in 1983, and MTV, where most of them got their play, was just 2 years old. Jackson had done a couple of videos himself, including “Beat It.” But the videos were made to sell records, and when Jackson decided he wanted to do “Thriller,” the album by that name had already been out for nearly a year, and it had already become the biggest-selling album of all time.
The video Landis envisioned was going to be nearly 15 minutes long — and expensive.
“It’s always exaggerated,” Landis said of the video’s cost. The Wikipedia article on “Thriller” claims it cost $800,000. Elsewhere, sums as high as $1 million have been cited.
“It ended up costing $500,000 — still an enormous money at that time for that kind of thing,” Landis said. The average music video in those days ran about $50,000 to produce, and Jackson’s would cost 10 times that.
But because the album had already sold so many copies, neither CBS, Jackson’s record label, nor anyone else wanted to pay for what they saw as a “vanity video.”
What was the point?
“Nobody would give us the money, because the album had already been so successful,” Landis said.
“Michael said he would pay for it,” he continued. “But I wouldn’t let him. He was still living with his parents in Encino behind a supermarket.
‘A brand-new thing called cable television’
George Folsey, Landis’ partner in the venture, then suggested that while doing “Thriller” they also film a 45-minute documentary, “The Making of Thriller.” They could package it and sell it as a one-hour theatrical feature.
Landis and Folsey approached Disney Studios, which agreed to release it for a limited engagement in Los Angeles theaters. At the same time, they decided to take it to a venue no one else had ever considered as a market for a music video.
“We sold that hour to a brand-new thing called cable television and the Showtime network, which at that time had only 3 million homes,” Landis said. It was actually an option that Showtime took, and when the Los Angeles theater release was a huge success, Showtime anted up.
“They paid a quarter of a million dollars for the rights to show it exclusively for, I think, 10 days,” Landis said. When MTV saw it, they called Landis. “MTV went crazy – ‘How can you do that?’ We said, ‘OK, you give us money.’ And they gave us another quarter of a million to show it for two weeks, and that was our costs.”
It was such a hit that CBS decided that it was the most brilliant idea ever, distributing the video for all of its affiliates to air for free. “For a while there, you couldn’t turn on the television without seeing ‘Thriller,’ ” Landis told TODAY.
The album that had supposedly sold every copy it could shot back to the top of the charts, nearly tripling its previous sales.
Landis and Folsey had already produced the first theatrical music video, and had been the first to sell a video to a cable movie network. But that was just the beginning.
Again from out of the blue, Landis got a call from Austin Furst, who had a video business called Vestron, who said he wanted to by the rights to put “Thriller” out as a “sell-through video.” Landis had never heard the term before, and Furst explained that he would sell it directly to consumers at a relatively affordable price: $24.95.
At the time, home videos were shown on the still-new technology of video tape. There were two formats, VHS and Sony’s Beta. But a movie typically cost between $80 and $100. Consumers weren’t going to pay that much, so mom-and-pop operations sprang up to buy the videos and then rent them out. Furst’s idea was to produce large quantities of the film and sell it directly.
The critics just damned me’
Landis said he couldn’t imagine many people wanting to buy a video that had gotten such extensive play on television. It would turn out that more than 10 million people just had to own it.
It’s never ended.
recent incarnation of “Thriller” is the Filipino prison production which has been a huge hit on YouTube, but if you search “Thriller” on YouTube, you come up with hundreds if not thousands of amateurs who have made the video their own.
“The Filipino prison is wonderfully crazy,” Landis said. “But people all over the world perform the ‘Thriller’ dance at weddings, at quinceaneros, at funerals, at bar mitzvahs. It blows me away.”
Landis went on to make many more films, including “Coming to America,” “Beverly Hills Cop III,” “Coming to America,” “Blues Brothers,” and “Trading Places.” He finds it ironic that the two that have become cultural icons — “Thriller” and “Animal House” — were the two that nobody at first wanted.
With “Thriller,” it was a question of who was going to buy it. With “Animal House,” he said, “The critics just damned me. They beat the crap out of me. Then it became this commercial hit. Over the years, it’s in the Library of Congress, and it’s this great American movie.”
Another great movie director, John Huston, had an explanation for it, said Landis: “He said movie directors, prostitutes and buildings grow respectable with age. I’m actually experiencing that.”
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1586226/20080424/fall_out_boy.jhtml
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'I just started playing the riff in sound-check one day,' Patrick Stump says on the set of new video.
By James Montgomery, with reporting by Yasmine Richard
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When Fall Out Boy decided to record their cover version of Michael Jackson's "Beat It," they had one goal in mind: to make a song so triumphant that it would somehow convince the King of Pop to come out of hiding and join them on the road for an epic (and costly) world tour.
Actually, we're lying. There was no goal. Truth be told, the whole thing was pretty much just an accident.
We never really planned this to happen," Fall Out frontman Patrick Stump laughed. "Basically, I just started playing the riff in sound-check one day, and then we all started playing it, and then we started playing it live, and then we figured we'd record it and put it out with our live DVD. And so we put it out, and then radio started playing it, and then it got huge on iTunes. It was on the top 10 there, and so we were like, 'Psssh, I guess it's a single then.' "
"It was kind of a snowball," bassist Pete Wentz added. "We didn't plan on it being a single, but I hate when bands put out DVDs and they're basically an excuse to have you buy the record twice. We wanted our DVD to have real value, so we did this ... and it sort of spiraled into iTunes and all that stuff. And that's why we're doing this video, because I should be at my house eating honeydew melon."
It bears mentioning that this conversation took place on the set of the "Beat It" video, a super-secret shoot that took place last week in Los Angeles and featured a karate-dance squad, oversize bodyguards in designer shades and a cameo by "Arrested Development" star Tony Hale. And if that weren't proof enough that FOB know only one way to do things — big — consider the fact that their version of "Beat It" also features a white-hot guitar solo from none other than John Mayer, because, well ... just because.
"Back in the day, Eddie Van Halen played on 'Beat It,' and I don't believe he was in the video," Wentz explained. "And we were trying to think about who is a contemporary guitar guy who's going to go down as a legend. And to be honest with you, there aren't as many high-profile young ones. And John really is. ... He's a prolific guitarist. And so I hit him up and asked if he'd want to do it, and he said, 'Yeah.' ... And then he just did it. He's like, 'I'm gonna do it,' and then he e-mailed me five minutes later and was like, 'You wanna hear it?' It was that quick."
So with a high-profile video and an even higher-profile cameo, aren't Fall Out Boy the least bit excited to hear what Michael thinks of their take on his hit? Well, yeah. Even though they're a huge rock band, they're also MJ fans. But they're also realists, and as such, they're not expecting to hear a word from the King of Pop.
"I don't even know if he's even heard our cover of his song, or even heard of my band or anything, so he is absolutely not involved in this in any way, shape or form," Stump said. "I absolutely love Michael Jackson's music, but the likelihood of that happening ... well, let's just say that will not happen. At best, maybe he'll be sitting around, flipping through channels, and he might see the video and go, 'Oh, this is OK.' That's the most I can hope to get out of the Gloved One. I'm not expecting a big 'Let's go on tour together' thing."
Michael Jackson Mentionings:
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/apr/25/palm-city-elementary-kids-celebrate-schools-50-yea/
Marin, who came to the school in 1973 as a fifth-grade teacher, rode into the event on a bike with balloons. Students showed off dance routines from past era favorites such as Michael Jackson’s "Thriller" and "The Lion King’s" Hakuna Matata
http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/d...rPk=112383&pNodeId=188965&returnNodeId=188965
lawyer who moonlights as a Michael Jackson impersonator makes his debut on Britain's Got Talent.
Suleman Mirza, 29, from London, describes his Jackson act as moonwalking "with a twist".
The twist arrives in the form of Madhu Singh, 34, who makes his way on to the stage with a broom.
In the Saturday night programme, the two engage in a Michael Jackson/Bhangra dance-off in front of puzzled judges Simon Cowell, Amanda Holden and Piers Morgan.
http://www.huliq.com/57896/consumer-sentiment-index-declines-1982-levels
Interest rates in 1982 were in the double digits. Inflation was running at 6.16%. The first CD player was sold in Japan. And Times "Man of the Year" was THE COMPUTER. We didn't have personal computers, cell phones, voice mail, text messaging or DVD players. Al Gore hadn't even invented the internet. What did people do all day? I, for one, was playing Michael Jackson's "Thriller" album over and over again.
http://www.triplicate.com/news/story.cfm?story_no=8476
A member of the DNHS varsity volleyball team, Hadfield hopes for a career as an athletic trainer or choreographer. For her talent, she will perform a self-choreographed dance routine to Michael Jackson's "Billie Jean." She is the daughter of Robert Hadfield and Jean Anne Crawford.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iFR99ZWkdHOgX6I-2N3b-YZP9fHA
Hodges denied that Snipes' celebrity was in any way linked to the unusually stiff sentence.
The judge said he would consider a request from the actor's attorneys to allow Snipes to be sent to a prison close to his home in the northeastern state of New Jersey.
Snipes first rose to fame in the 1980s when he was cast in the video for Michael Jackson's single "Bad."
That proved to be the springboard for a successful acting career characterized by his portrayal of tough-guy characters in movies such as "Demolition Man" and "New Jack City."
http://times-journal.com/story.lass...c2&-session=FPTJ:42F948D00a60c27EC2MwU1408211
Follies set to take stage
The Tonight Show will come to life in Fort Payne next week as the annual Krazy Kudzu Follies takes the stage.
Chamber Executive Director Carol Beddingfield said Johnny Carson will be the emcee this year.
“For all of us who are old enough to remember who Johnny Carson is, they will remember how funny he was,” Beddingfield said. “There were always animals showing up and live entertainment. Our Tonight Show will be quite similar.”
She said this year also marks the 25th anniversary of Thriller and a special visit is expected from Michael Jackson.
There will also be a performance by M.C. Hammer, according to Beddingfield.
A record number of performers have pledged their support for the chamber fundraiser.
“More than 75 people have their costumes ready and their acts together,” Beddingfield said.
As it has become a tradition, Dr. Charles Isbell is also featured as a performer. Beddingfield said the longtime Fort Payne doctor has said he encourages everyone to escape the problems of today’s high-stressed daily life through laughter.
“One of the main reasons he is in the Follies every year is to make memories and laugh,” she said.
The performances will be May 1-3 at 6 p.m. at the DeKalb Theatre.
Tickets are $15 each and are available at the chamber office and at Bruce’s Foodland.
Call the chamber at 845-2741.
http://newyork.metromix.com/movies/movie/2008-tribeca-film-festival-new-york/383882/content
2008 Tribeca Film Festival Drive-In
You can't really watch movies from your car at the Tribeca Drive-In, but this free outdoor screening series at the World Financial Center Plaza is the next best thing. The series kicks off Thursday (4/24) with a special screening of Michael Jackson's classic "Thriller" video, with director John Landis on hand. Zombie dance instruction included.
http://newyork.metromix.com/restaurants/photogallery/snap-judgment-thriller-night/391989/content
Groovin’ ghouls bust out the moves at downtown’s zombie disco. Aaaaaaowwww!
As part of the free outdoor screenings at this year's Tribeca Film Festival, a freaked-out bunch of zombies, ghouls and, well, Michael Jackson fans flocked to the World Financial Center Plaza to celebrate the 25th anniversary of his groundbreaking "Thriller" video.
M.J. look-alikes were on hand to lend cred to the event, which included a Michael Jackson dance-off, a showstopping number from the contestants on Bravo TV’s “Step It Up And Dance,” and a screening of the “Thriller” video introduced by its director, John Landis. It was a scream.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24314870/
Director: Funds for ‘Thriller’ almost didn’t appear
John Landis says no one wanted to pay for Michael Jackson video at first
Landis, who had made his directorial debut with “Animal House,” took the job because he saw it as a chance to resurrect a genre that had once been a Hollywood staple. “It was a great opportunity to bring back the theatrical short,” he said.
Music videos were new and evolving in 1983, and MTV, where most of them got their play, was just 2 years old. Jackson had done a couple of videos himself, including “Beat It.” But the videos were made to sell records, and when Jackson decided he wanted to do “Thriller,” the album by that name had already been out for nearly a year, and it had already become the biggest-selling album of all time.
The video Landis envisioned was going to be nearly 15 minutes long — and expensive.
“It’s always exaggerated,” Landis said of the video’s cost. The Wikipedia article on “Thriller” claims it cost $800,000. Elsewhere, sums as high as $1 million have been cited.
“It ended up costing $500,000 — still an enormous money at that time for that kind of thing,” Landis said. The average music video in those days ran about $50,000 to produce, and Jackson’s would cost 10 times that.
But because the album had already sold so many copies, neither CBS, Jackson’s record label, nor anyone else wanted to pay for what they saw as a “vanity video.”
What was the point?
“Nobody would give us the money, because the album had already been so successful,” Landis said.
“Michael said he would pay for it,” he continued. “But I wouldn’t let him. He was still living with his parents in Encino behind a supermarket.
‘A brand-new thing called cable television’
George Folsey, Landis’ partner in the venture, then suggested that while doing “Thriller” they also film a 45-minute documentary, “The Making of Thriller.” They could package it and sell it as a one-hour theatrical feature.
Landis and Folsey approached Disney Studios, which agreed to release it for a limited engagement in Los Angeles theaters. At the same time, they decided to take it to a venue no one else had ever considered as a market for a music video.
“We sold that hour to a brand-new thing called cable television and the Showtime network, which at that time had only 3 million homes,” Landis said. It was actually an option that Showtime took, and when the Los Angeles theater release was a huge success, Showtime anted up.
“They paid a quarter of a million dollars for the rights to show it exclusively for, I think, 10 days,” Landis said. When MTV saw it, they called Landis. “MTV went crazy – ‘How can you do that?’ We said, ‘OK, you give us money.’ And they gave us another quarter of a million to show it for two weeks, and that was our costs.”
It was such a hit that CBS decided that it was the most brilliant idea ever, distributing the video for all of its affiliates to air for free. “For a while there, you couldn’t turn on the television without seeing ‘Thriller,’ ” Landis told TODAY.
The album that had supposedly sold every copy it could shot back to the top of the charts, nearly tripling its previous sales.
Landis and Folsey had already produced the first theatrical music video, and had been the first to sell a video to a cable movie network. But that was just the beginning.
Again from out of the blue, Landis got a call from Austin Furst, who had a video business called Vestron, who said he wanted to by the rights to put “Thriller” out as a “sell-through video.” Landis had never heard the term before, and Furst explained that he would sell it directly to consumers at a relatively affordable price: $24.95.
At the time, home videos were shown on the still-new technology of video tape. There were two formats, VHS and Sony’s Beta. But a movie typically cost between $80 and $100. Consumers weren’t going to pay that much, so mom-and-pop operations sprang up to buy the videos and then rent them out. Furst’s idea was to produce large quantities of the film and sell it directly.
The critics just damned me’
Landis said he couldn’t imagine many people wanting to buy a video that had gotten such extensive play on television. It would turn out that more than 10 million people just had to own it.
It’s never ended.
recent incarnation of “Thriller” is the Filipino prison production which has been a huge hit on YouTube, but if you search “Thriller” on YouTube, you come up with hundreds if not thousands of amateurs who have made the video their own.
“The Filipino prison is wonderfully crazy,” Landis said. “But people all over the world perform the ‘Thriller’ dance at weddings, at quinceaneros, at funerals, at bar mitzvahs. It blows me away.”
Landis went on to make many more films, including “Coming to America,” “Beverly Hills Cop III,” “Coming to America,” “Blues Brothers,” and “Trading Places.” He finds it ironic that the two that have become cultural icons — “Thriller” and “Animal House” — were the two that nobody at first wanted.
With “Thriller,” it was a question of who was going to buy it. With “Animal House,” he said, “The critics just damned me. They beat the crap out of me. Then it became this commercial hit. Over the years, it’s in the Library of Congress, and it’s this great American movie.”
Another great movie director, John Huston, had an explanation for it, said Landis: “He said movie directors, prostitutes and buildings grow respectable with age. I’m actually experiencing that.”
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1586226/20080424/fall_out_boy.jhtml
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'I just started playing the riff in sound-check one day,' Patrick Stump says on the set of new video.
By James Montgomery, with reporting by Yasmine Richard
Del.icio.us Digg Newsvine Send to Friend Print
When Fall Out Boy decided to record their cover version of Michael Jackson's "Beat It," they had one goal in mind: to make a song so triumphant that it would somehow convince the King of Pop to come out of hiding and join them on the road for an epic (and costly) world tour.
Actually, we're lying. There was no goal. Truth be told, the whole thing was pretty much just an accident.
We never really planned this to happen," Fall Out frontman Patrick Stump laughed. "Basically, I just started playing the riff in sound-check one day, and then we all started playing it, and then we started playing it live, and then we figured we'd record it and put it out with our live DVD. And so we put it out, and then radio started playing it, and then it got huge on iTunes. It was on the top 10 there, and so we were like, 'Psssh, I guess it's a single then.' "
"It was kind of a snowball," bassist Pete Wentz added. "We didn't plan on it being a single, but I hate when bands put out DVDs and they're basically an excuse to have you buy the record twice. We wanted our DVD to have real value, so we did this ... and it sort of spiraled into iTunes and all that stuff. And that's why we're doing this video, because I should be at my house eating honeydew melon."
It bears mentioning that this conversation took place on the set of the "Beat It" video, a super-secret shoot that took place last week in Los Angeles and featured a karate-dance squad, oversize bodyguards in designer shades and a cameo by "Arrested Development" star Tony Hale. And if that weren't proof enough that FOB know only one way to do things — big — consider the fact that their version of "Beat It" also features a white-hot guitar solo from none other than John Mayer, because, well ... just because.
"Back in the day, Eddie Van Halen played on 'Beat It,' and I don't believe he was in the video," Wentz explained. "And we were trying to think about who is a contemporary guitar guy who's going to go down as a legend. And to be honest with you, there aren't as many high-profile young ones. And John really is. ... He's a prolific guitarist. And so I hit him up and asked if he'd want to do it, and he said, 'Yeah.' ... And then he just did it. He's like, 'I'm gonna do it,' and then he e-mailed me five minutes later and was like, 'You wanna hear it?' It was that quick."
So with a high-profile video and an even higher-profile cameo, aren't Fall Out Boy the least bit excited to hear what Michael thinks of their take on his hit? Well, yeah. Even though they're a huge rock band, they're also MJ fans. But they're also realists, and as such, they're not expecting to hear a word from the King of Pop.
"I don't even know if he's even heard our cover of his song, or even heard of my band or anything, so he is absolutely not involved in this in any way, shape or form," Stump said. "I absolutely love Michael Jackson's music, but the likelihood of that happening ... well, let's just say that will not happen. At best, maybe he'll be sitting around, flipping through channels, and he might see the video and go, 'Oh, this is OK.' That's the most I can hope to get out of the Gloved One. I'm not expecting a big 'Let's go on tour together' thing."
Michael Jackson Mentionings:
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/apr/25/palm-city-elementary-kids-celebrate-schools-50-yea/
Marin, who came to the school in 1973 as a fifth-grade teacher, rode into the event on a bike with balloons. Students showed off dance routines from past era favorites such as Michael Jackson’s "Thriller" and "The Lion King’s" Hakuna Matata
http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/d...rPk=112383&pNodeId=188965&returnNodeId=188965
lawyer who moonlights as a Michael Jackson impersonator makes his debut on Britain's Got Talent.
Suleman Mirza, 29, from London, describes his Jackson act as moonwalking "with a twist".
The twist arrives in the form of Madhu Singh, 34, who makes his way on to the stage with a broom.
In the Saturday night programme, the two engage in a Michael Jackson/Bhangra dance-off in front of puzzled judges Simon Cowell, Amanda Holden and Piers Morgan.
http://www.huliq.com/57896/consumer-sentiment-index-declines-1982-levels
Interest rates in 1982 were in the double digits. Inflation was running at 6.16%. The first CD player was sold in Japan. And Times "Man of the Year" was THE COMPUTER. We didn't have personal computers, cell phones, voice mail, text messaging or DVD players. Al Gore hadn't even invented the internet. What did people do all day? I, for one, was playing Michael Jackson's "Thriller" album over and over again.
http://www.triplicate.com/news/story.cfm?story_no=8476
A member of the DNHS varsity volleyball team, Hadfield hopes for a career as an athletic trainer or choreographer. For her talent, she will perform a self-choreographed dance routine to Michael Jackson's "Billie Jean." She is the daughter of Robert Hadfield and Jean Anne Crawford.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iFR99ZWkdHOgX6I-2N3b-YZP9fHA
Hodges denied that Snipes' celebrity was in any way linked to the unusually stiff sentence.
The judge said he would consider a request from the actor's attorneys to allow Snipes to be sent to a prison close to his home in the northeastern state of New Jersey.
Snipes first rose to fame in the 1980s when he was cast in the video for Michael Jackson's single "Bad."
That proved to be the springboard for a successful acting career characterized by his portrayal of tough-guy characters in movies such as "Demolition Man" and "New Jack City."
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