What do you want to see from the Estate? (fans wishlist thread)

[florenzius_]

I want a new album or at least a bunch of new singles.
I'll take anything haha

 

[dam2040]

I’d take stuff in any condition. Ultimate collection style where he’s just mumbling. I love those songs though the melodies are incredible.

I just want something that’s not fake vocals or awfully dated “modern” remixes. Don’t think that’s too much to ask for honestly. Fans not liking the estate isn’t undeserved either.

 

[AlwaysThere]

Quantity does not translate into quality here.

A large part of that posthumously released material from the Michael Jackson’s Estate consists of contemporizations, remixed versions, songs with incomplete Michael Jackson's vocals, songs with inauthentic Michael Jackson's vocals, compilations of previously released material, and so on.

Of course, but quantity is the issue at hand. There are plenty of warranted (and unwarranted) complaints to make as to the quality of the Estate's projects, but to insinuate that such projects are in any way lacking in terms of presented material is absurd.

The Estate, between 2009 and 2019, has published 24 songs (of which 18 were never-before-released and 15 were presented in their original, unaltered form), a documentary chronicling rehearsals for the ill-fated This Is It, a documentary imbued with exclusive behind the scenes footage from the Bad era, a DVD of what many consider to be the best show of the Bad tour, and the first Michael Jackson live album.

None of these projects are without blemish, but they represent one of the most extensive posthumous catalogs ever. Very few deceased artists receive such far-reaching treatment and, while no one is required to purchase/support them, it is ridiculous to demand more simply because YOU didn't like them.

Michael himself told in interview he recorded 100+ songs for every album. So I don’t believe the rumors that his vault is empty. Don’t know where this rumor came from. The BAD album alone was supposed to be a triple album. There is so much left, finished or unfinished. For invincible alone there is so much left in finished state that you can fill a whole album and release it.

It’s so obvious that the estate released songs which were leaked online before and then some. They have enough left. But they play the lazy annoying game.

Recording 100+ songs =/= finishing 100+ songs.

Nearly every one of Michael's collaborators, from studio technicians to musicians to songwriters, have established that the overwhelming majority of existing material lacks usable vocals. Completed material is scarce, and half-finished songs with scratch vocals are of use only to the dedicated among us and won't foster any good business with the general public. I believe it was Matt Forger who stated that there are perhaps 15-18 songs with finished vocals left; no wonder the Estate pads out albums with previously leaked albums.

That's not even addressing the numerous songs that the estate either doesn't have (e.g., the Bahrain sessions) or cannot release (e.g., the will.i.am tracks, anything with Quincy Jones).

The Estate doesn't have a lot left. That's a verified fact from numerous people outside the Estate who have more first-hand knowledge of you or I.

 

[Smooth72]

Your getting a Broadway show, that’s it,enjoy if you can make the trip.

 

[Electro]

cannot release (e.g., ... anything with Quincy Jones).

Why would that be at this point?

 

[DuranDuran]

Prince

Even with the new Prince project, you're still required to buy an album you've already heard to gain access to the material you haven't.

There's a rumor that a couple of the recent Prince releases came from a cassette source and not a master tape. The piano album was confirmed to come from cassette and one of the songs was used for the Spike Lee movie BlacKkKlansman. It was just Prince practicing, not something intended for release. There's supposed to be hundreds of these cassettes of things not studio recorded. It's been said the unreleased songs on the Purple Rain reissue came from cassette too. I don't know if that's true or not. But there is a skip or drop out on Erotic City that's not on the original single.

 

[mj_frenzy]

He wrote a lot of songs for each album. He didn't properly record all of them. And no way he recorded 100 songs for every album, that's nuts. And that contradicts what he said in the Mexico deposition. Most of the stuff he recorded that wasn't used wouldn't have good enough vocals or any vocals suitable for release.

Of course, but quantity is the issue at hand. There are plenty of warranted (and unwarranted) complaints to make as to the quality of the Estate's projects, but to insinuate that such projects are in any way lacking in terms of presented material is absurd.

The Estate, between 2009 and 2019, has published 24 songs (of which 18 were never-before-released and 15 were presented in their original, unaltered form), a documentary chronicling rehearsals for the ill-fated This Is It, a documentary imbued with exclusive behind the scenes footage from the Bad era, a DVD of what many consider to be the best show of the Bad tour, and the first Michael Jackson live album.

None of these projects are without blemish, but they represent one of the most extensive posthumous catalogs ever. Very few deceased artists receive such far-reaching treatment and, while no one is required to purchase/support them, it is ridiculous to demand more simply because YOU didn't like them.

Recording 100+ songs =/= finishing 100+ songs.

Nearly every one of Michael's collaborators, from studio technicians to musicians to songwriters, have established that the overwhelming majority of existing material lacks usable vocals. Completed material is scarce, and half-finished songs with scratch vocals are of use only to the dedicated among us and won't foster any good business with the general public. I believe it was Matt Forger who stated that there are perhaps 15-18 songs with finished vocals left; no wonder the Estate pads out albums with previously leaked albums.

That's not even addressing the numerous songs that the estate either doesn't have (e.g., the Bahrain sessions) or cannot release (e.g., the will.i.am tracks, anything with Quincy Jones).

The Estate doesn't have a lot left. That's a verified fact from numerous people outside the Estate who have more first-hand knowledge of you or I.

The Mexico deposition should not be considered a good source for getting that kind of information because his mental condition was in really bad shape.

Michael Jackson revealed in the ‘Killer Thriller’ speech in 2002 that he writes at least 120 songs for each album and he also implied that he records them too (as he said at that event, he can choose any of them at any given time for a possible, future release).

Also, Matt Forger said specifically that Michael Jackson was in the habit of recording many songs for each album and then put most of them on the shelf (this also clearly implies a lot of outtakes generally with finished vocals, not just 15-18).

Michael Jackson used to record many songs, especially before the direction of a certain studio album began to shape (as confirmed also by Bruce Swedien).

The ‘Invincible’ sessions in particular (that spanned over a period of nearly 4 years) have still a lot of unheard, nearly completed tracks to offer (even though many of them lack the final mix, but they have almost full vocals).

People who were present at some of those ‘Invincible’ sessions have confirmed that, too (like, Sisqó, or Puff Daddy, among others).

When Michael Jackson died, the rights to most of those unheard tracks automatically reverted back to his Estate (as it is the legal norm in such cases), meaning that the Estate has them and can also release them.

 

[AlwaysThere]

Why would that be at this point?

Quincy sued the Estate and received a fraction of what he sought, not to mention the fact that (barring archive footage) he was absent from the Off the Wall and Bad documentaries. He'll likely never willingly collaborate with them.

 

[Shibbi Jackson]

I just want them to decrease the prices of Michael Jackson stuff, especially in India, however I have made a small collection of my own by sales and pocket money.

 

[AlwaysThere]

mj_frenzy, you've said that "Adore You" was a lost song (it isn't), that Bruce Swedien didn't mix "Scream" (he did, in collaboration with Steve Hodge), that "Fall Again" wasn't finished because Prince got sick (only partially true), that "Shut Up and Dance" was at least partially recorded (it's not), and several other insufficient claims.

You have a tendency of sharing incorrect information, then lashing out at users who question you (as made evident by your post history). While I'm far from innocent in terms of temper, there's really no need for it and it only muddies the waters.

Michael Jackson revealed in the ‘Killer Thriller’ speech in 2002 that he writes at least 120 songs for each album and he also implied that he records them too (as he said at that event, he can choose any of them at any given time for a possible, future release).

Also, Matt Forger said specifically that Michael Jackson was in the habit of recording many songs for each album and then put most of them on the shelf (this also clearly implies a lot of outtakes generally with finished vocals, not just 15-18).

You're working entirely off implications, all of which are erroneous and contradict explicit statements given by individuals with first-hand knowledge (such as Forger stating before a crowd that one album's worth of finished music exists).

Michael claimed he was working vigorously on new music between 2006-9, even though we now know that very little usable material exists from this period.

Michael Jackson used to record many songs, especially before the direction of a certain studio album began to shape (as confirmed also by Bruce Swedien).

Swedien also was not involved in the Hayvenhurst sessions; was absent for the bulk of the Invincible sessions, only being involved for a total of 3-4 months and almost exclusively mixing existing songs as opposed to recording new ones; couldn't identify "I'm So Blue" or "Abortion Papers" when prompted; and once claimed that only 1-2 outtakes existed per album. All due respect, but his expertise is limited.

The ‘Invincible’ sessions in particular (that spanned over a period of nearly 4 years) have still a lot of unheard, nearly completed tracks to offer (even though many of them lack the final mix, but they have almost full vocals).

People who were present at some of those ‘Invincible’ sessions have confirmed that, too (like, Sisqó, or Puff Daddy, among others).

Are you using the US Copyright Office as a source? Bear in mind that an overwhelming number of registered titles (e.g., "Gloucestershire," "Monster," "Jungle," "Adore You," "Bottom of My Heart," "Remember What I Told You," "Rocker," "H2O") lack usable vocals, so it is by no means a credible gauge of certain songs/albums.

Sisqó spoke in 2000 about a potential collaboration that (so far as we know) was unrealized, and Diddy revealed they worked on an unfinished song in 2001. That's it.

Not sure who these "people" you speak of are, since Brad Buxer, Michael Prince, Matt Forger, Damien Shields, Joe Vogel, and others -- all of whom have extensive personal experience of various eras' worth of material, including the Invincible sessions -- have stated that the vault is not nearly as full as people think.

When Michael Jackson died, the rights to most of those unheard tracks automatically reverted back to his Estate (as it is the legal norm in such cases), meaning that the Estate has them and can also release them.

The Estate has free reign over Michael's self-created material, but anything with additional writers and/or producers requires negotiation and legal consent from all contributors. That's why Steve Porcaro was able to keep "Chicago 1945" off Xscape, and why we have yet to hear a single will.i.am song.

Also, the Estate doesn't have everything. Plenty of people (including Korgnex) can confirm that certain things are in the hands of people unwilling to play ball with the current executors.

 

[Electro]

Quincy sued the Estate and received a fraction of what he sought, not to mention the fact that (barring archive footage) he was absent from the Off the Wall and Bad documentaries. He'll likely never willingly collaborate with them.

I was about to say that it's kind of normal, that the amounts people sue for usually are never what's getting paid in the end.
Bad 25 was in 2012, Off The Wall doku was 2016. Quincys lawsuit went from 2013 to 2017. So things should be good now.

But then I read this article again... so yes, going by the quotes from both sides, it doesn't sound too good, in terms of them working together again. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...ies-suit-with-michael-jacksons-estate-113207/

But then again you never know, it's just business after all.

 

[AlwaysThere]

I was about to say that it's kind of normal, that the amounts people sue for usually are never what's getting paid in the end.
Bad 25 was in 2012, Off The Wall doku was 2016. Quincys lawsuit went from 2013 to 2017. So things should be good now.

But then I read this article again... so yes, going by the quotes from both sides, it doesn't sound too good, in terms of them working together again. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...ies-suit-with-michael-jacksons-estate-113207/

But then again you never know, it's just business after all.

Quincy has become something of a grouch in his old age based on his recent commentary. I wouldn't be surprised if he was holding a grudge that he didn't get the full $30 million.

But you're right -- money talks, and anything could happen.

 

[mj_frenzy]

mj_frenzy, you've said that "Adore You" was a lost song (it isn't), that Bruce Swedien didn't mix "Scream" (he did, in collaboration with Steve Hodge), that "Fall Again" wasn't finished because Prince got sick (only partially true), that "Shut Up and Dance" was at least partially recorded (it's not), and several other insufficient claims.

You have a tendency of sharing incorrect information, then lashing out at users who question you (as made evident by your post history). While I'm far from innocent in terms of temper, there's really no need for it and it only muddies the waters.

You're working entirely off implications, all of which are erroneous and contradict explicit statements given by individuals with first-hand knowledge (such as Forger stating before a crowd that one album's worth of finished music exists).

Michael claimed he was working vigorously on new music between 2006-9, even though we now know that very little usable material exists from this period.

Swedien also was not involved in the Hayvenhurst sessions; was absent for the bulk of the Invincible sessions, only being involved for a total of 3-4 months and almost exclusively mixing existing songs as opposed to recording new ones; couldn't identify "I'm So Blue" or "Abortion Papers" when prompted; and once claimed that only 1-2 outtakes existed per album. All due respect, but his expertise is limited.

Are you using the US Copyright Office as a source? Bear in mind that an overwhelming number of registered titles (e.g., "Gloucestershire," "Monster," "Jungle," "Adore You," "Bottom of My Heart," "Remember What I Told You," "Rocker," "H2O") lack usable vocals, so it is by no means a credible gauge of certain songs/albums.

Sisqó spoke in 2000 about a potential collaboration that (so far as we know) was unrealized, and Diddy revealed they worked on an unfinished song in 2001. That's it.

Not sure who these "people" you speak of are, since Brad Buxer, Michael Prince, Matt Forger, Damien Shields, Joe Vogel, and others -- all of whom have extensive personal experience of various eras' worth of material, including the Invincible sessions -- have stated that the vault is not nearly as full as people think.

The Estate has free reign over Michael's self-created material, but anything with additional writers and/or producers requires negotiation and legal consent from all contributors. That's why Steve Porcaro was able to keep "Chicago 1945" off Xscape, and why we have yet to hear a single will.i.am song.

Also, the Estate doesn't have everything. Plenty of people (including Korgnex) can confirm that certain things are in the hands of people unwilling to play ball with the current executors.

Tommy Mottola said at some point that the plans of the Estate and Sony about Michael Jackson’s posthumous releases are based on a long-term basis.

They aim actually to surpass the longevity of Elvis Presley’s posthumous releases.

He said that because he also knows about the existence of dozens and dozens of outtakes from each of Michael Jackson’s studio album.

Bruce Swedien did not mix the ‘Scream’ song (he was asked by a student if he mixed that song, at Full Sail University in Florida, and he gave a negative answer).

Also, Bruce Swedien said (on other occasions) that Michael Jackson used to record many songs for each album and then to choose the ones that would fit the album’s cohesion and drama (which means a lot of outtakes from each album).

According to fan magazines from the ‘Invincible’ era, Sisqó at one point (during the ‘Invincible’ sessions) talked about over 70 nearly completed songs for that album.

Puff Daddy, around that time, also talked about a large number of songs meant for the ‘Invincible’ album.

Rodney Jerkins also said that during those sessions they had sometimes to begin from scratch with new sets of new songs each time, abandoning many already recorded songs meant for that album.

It goes without saying that anything with additional writers and/or producers requires negotiation and legal consent from all contributors, but so far his Estate proved that can overcome (to a degree) such legal impediments when it comes to new posthumous releases.

 

[AlwaysThere]

Tommy Mottola said at some point that the plans of the Estate and Sony about Michael Jackson’s posthumous releases are based on a long-term basis.

They aim actually to surpass the longevity of Elvis Presley’s posthumous releases.

He said that because he also knows about the existence of dozens and dozens of outtakes from each of Michael Jackson’s studio album.

Of course the Estate aims for longevity; they've admitted as much themselves.

Mottola has spoken about the vault on very few occasions, most of which took place immediately after Michael's death, and offered little more than standard obscurities (e.g., "There was always over-recording," "These are hidden gems") without ever commenting on the state of said material.

Even so, I'm keen to take the word of studio technicians who heard nearly everything, over a former label head who only heard what Michael wanted him to hear.

Bruce Swedien did not mix the ‘Scream’ song (he was asked by a student if he mixed that song, at Full Sail University in Florida, and he gave a negative answer).

I know Jam and Lewis brought in their own

Also, Bruce Swedien said (on other occasions) that Michael Jackson used to record many songs for each album and then to choose the ones that would fit the album’s cohesion and drama (which means a lot of outtakes from each album).

Once again, for emphasis: recording many songs =/= finishing many songs.

No one is questioning the certainty that Michael created an overabundance of material for each album. But the notion that this in any way implies finished recordings is absolutely erroneous, especially considering

According to fan magazines from the ‘Invincible’ era, Sisqó at one point (during the ‘Invincible’ sessions) talked about over 70 nearly completed songs for that album.

According to fan magazines, Michael also recorded a cover of "Strawberry Fields Forever" in 1989, and recorded two songs ("Angel," "Do You Love Me") with Babyface in 1998. Not a single corroborating source has been able to verify any of these songs existing.

How would Sisqó be privy to such information? Did Michael tell him? Did he hear all seventy nearly-completed songs? Or did overzealous fans hear him mention a wealth of songs and exaggerate the living hell out of it?

Puff Daddy, around that time, also talked about a large number of songs meant for the ‘Invincible’ album.

Mind sharing your source?

Rodney Jerkins also said that during those sessions they had sometimes to begin from scratch with new sets of new songs each time, abandoning many already recorded songs meant for that album.

Already recorded =/= vocally finished.

It goes without saying that anything with additional writers and/or producers requires negotiation and legal consent from all contributors, but so far his Estate proved that can overcome (to a degree) such legal impediments when it comes to new posthumous releases.

The Estate overcame several of these impediments because the respective collaborators were willing to sign off on their material being used. Had they been as successful with Steve Porcaro and will.i.am, we'd have their songs. But no business is willing to undergo unnecessary legal battles.

I am truly in awe of this argument.

Fact of the matter is, every single person with express knowledge of Michael's vault has confirmed that material is scarce. It doesn't matter what implications Bruce Swedien or Tommy Mottola or countless others made. You cannot convince me that Brad Buxer, Michael Prince, Matt Forger, Brad Sundberg, Damien Shields, and Epic executive Vice President Scott Sevior all stated that there are less than 30 songs remaining. You've also conveniently side-stepped nearly every point I made discrediting some of your points.

The fan community is already knee-deep in confusion over the vault, and misinformation such as yours is only worsening things.

 

[mj_frenzy]

Of course the Estate aims for longevity; they've admitted as much themselves.

Mottola has spoken about the vault on very few occasions, most of which took place immediately after Michael's death, and offered little more than standard obscurities (e.g., "There was always over-recording," "These are hidden gems") without ever commenting on the state of said material.

Even so, I'm keen to take the word of studio technicians who heard nearly everything, over a former label head who only heard what Michael wanted him to hear.

I know Jam and Lewis brought in their own

Once again, for emphasis: recording many songs =/= finishing many songs.

No one is questioning the certainty that Michael created an overabundance of material for each album. But the notion that this in any way implies finished recordings is absolutely erroneous, especially considering

According to fan magazines, Michael also recorded a cover of "Strawberry Fields Forever" in 1989, and recorded two songs ("Angel," "Do You Love Me") with Babyface in 1998. Not a single corroborating source has been able to verify any of these songs existing.

How would Sisqó be privy to such information? Did Michael tell him? Did he hear all seventy nearly-completed songs? Or did overzealous fans hear him mention a wealth of songs and exaggerate the living hell out of it?

Mind sharing your source?

Already recorded =/= vocally finished.

The Estate overcame several of these impediments because the respective collaborators were willing to sign off on their material being used. Had they been as successful with Steve Porcaro and will.i.am, we'd have their songs. But no business is willing to undergo unnecessary legal battles.

I am truly in awe of this argument.

Fact of the matter is, every single person with express knowledge of Michael's vault has confirmed that material is scarce. It doesn't matter what implications Bruce Swedien or Tommy Mottola or countless others made. You cannot convince me that Brad Buxer, Michael Prince, Matt Forger, Brad Sundberg, Damien Shields, and Epic executive Vice President Scott Sevior all stated that there are less than 30 songs remaining. You've also conveniently side-stepped nearly every point I made discrediting some of your points.

The fan community is already knee-deep in confusion over the vault, and misinformation such as yours is only worsening things.

I have noticed that you contradict yourself on certain things.

For example, you said (few years ago) about Joseph Vogel that he is not the most reliable outlet on Michael Jackson.

Now, you say about him that he is one of them who have extensive personal experience of various eras' worth of material, including the ‘Invincible’ sessions (and they also believe that the vault is not nearly as full as people think).

Also, I have not conveniently side-stepped your points that, according to you, discredit some of my points.

My information (about them) is just different than yours, and since we both were not physically present at those recording sessions, then my information is as valid as your information.

Puff Daddy’s words appeared on several news reports back then (the links to those sources are no longer available) and he expressed his amazement about the fact that Michael Jackson over-recorded so many songs in general for the ‘Invincible’ album.

Sisqó was very close to Michael Jackson, that is why he got such private information about the nearly completed, unreleased stuff of the ‘Invincible’ album.

They were so close to each other that Michael Jackson gave to him one of his own songs (via Teddy Riley) for Sisqó’s studio album.

It appears also that, for some reason, studio engineers and technicians are not really allowed by the Estate to reveal a bigger number of unreleased songs stored in Michael Jackson’s vault.

Remember for example, at one point in the past, Brad Sundberg said that although he knows that many unreleased songs still exist, yet he refused to give additional information about them when he was asked.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

Why would that be at this point?

cause Quincy own it as well. he don't own Michael voice but does own the music he help with the off the wall,thriller, and bad albums.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

Your getting a Broadway show, that’s it,enjoy if you can make the trip.

LOL! that and MJ ONE

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

Who knows. Michael was an perfectionist and a genius. it's possible he did do 100 songs for one album. when he die they said they found about 1,000 songs unrelease and songs that was release but pull off and/or gave to another artist(s). my math not greatest but in totally Michael made 300 songs when he was alive if you count the ones that was release after his death that would make 316. but like i said math not great. so i maybe missing a few or less.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

I want a new album or at least a bunch of new singles.
I'll take anything haha

Do singles even exist anymore?

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

Not saying Estate sucks and I fully understand why no releases and no big cool box sets like Prince fans get or tonnes of concerts Elvis fans get on that label but it would be nice just to have something release I guess.

I understand what you mean.

 

[DuranDuran]

singles

Do singles even exist anymore?

A few things are still released as physical 45s & maxi singles. With the 45s it's usually underground artists and reissues of oldies hits. Or a 45 might be packaged with a box set like the Blu Ray version of Magical Mystery Tour. The 12" singles, it's club music like techno artists. A new release 45 costs on average $5 - $10, much more expensive than the ones in the past, but that's the case with vinyl albums too. But singles in general are digital downloads & streaming. All of the songs on an new album can hit the Hot 100 in Billboard, but the actual singles are the ones that last longer on the chart and generally the ones that has a music video. Singles are played on the radio, the album tracks aren't. Like the Old Town Road song by Lil' Nas X & Billy Ray Cyrus recently made a record by remaining #1 for 19 weeks on the Hot 100.

 

[Cprep20]

Discussing Michaels unreleased materials and the people that worked with MJ I’ve noticed two things for certain. 1. Some of the ones that were in the studio with MJ tend to A: sometimes fabricate things they simply can’t answer and B: none of them know for certain exactly what exist. For example I’ve been to a few of Brad seminars and the song “I’ll Be There - Adult Version” was brought up. The first time the answer was it was only recorded for the Pepsi commercial then it was recorded but unreleased. Clearly no one honestly knows exactly what exist. MJ was very secretive with his craft and the people he worked with. There are things he did with John Barnes and Matt Forger at Hayvenhurst that I’m sure Quincy and Bruce never heard before. Now if you ask someone from the Westlake crew about a song that was recorded in Hayvenhurst they may not have any recollection of that song at all. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t recorded it just means they just don’t know anything about it. Same goes with asking Bill Bottrell about a rumored Bryan Loren song. Etc Etc. I honestly don’t think any of those guys know exactly what does and doesn’t exist and/or how much of every song was recorded, the level of completion or MJ’s intention for every song he laid vocals on.

I’ll be the first to admit I want to hear everything Michael recorded. Bad takes, missed cues, alternate takes, demos, adlibs, unreleased verses, harmonies, studio chatter, EVERYTHING! But I know that’s not realistic.

When Michael passed things were clearly is disarray. The estate should of (I can’t say for sure if they did or didn’t) tried to get together all the information and material that was associated with Michael that wasn’t already in their possession. Then they should of contacted every single person that was involved in a recording session, got everyone together, played everything they had and asked 1000 questions. During this time I would of video recorded everything that way the estate could of started to put their ducks in a line. There clearly is bad blood between the executors and some of Michael associates but the estate should of tried to hash that stuff out.

Now when it comes to what’s “Complete” we honestly don’t know that either. Look at how many pressings of the Bad album exist. “Rumor” has it Michael was still tinkering with songs from OTW in 2007/8! Take a song like Jane Is A Groupie. Most would say it’s incomplete but how do we know Michael wasn’t finished with the song? How do we know he wasn’t just having a nice little jam session. No it doesn’t fit the standard “Michael Jackson” song but it’s a cool little track. Should it just sit in the vault for eternity? I don’t think so. MJ isn’t here to promote and sell albums anymore so the estate should just let loose and have a little fun.

As I said before I don’t believe any one person truly knows exactly what Michael left but I do feel for every released song there is/was a song sitting in the vault. I don’t believe Michael recorded 100 songs per album but I do believe before the 2001 reissues and songs from the vault started to be released there was once at least 100 unreleased songs.

Take a look at the album Thriller. Which contains 9 songs.
Then you have:
Hot Street
Niteline
Behind The Mask
The Toy
Someone In The Dark
Got The Hots
Carousel
The Original Pretty Young Thing
Sunset Driver
Starlight Sun

Same with Bad you have the 11 released songs then:
Free
I’m So Blue
Fly Away
Streetwalker
Abortion Papers
Loving You
Scared Of The Moon
Chicago 1945
Someone Put Your Hand Out
Earth Song
Al Capone
The Price Of Fame
Throwing Your Life Away
We Are Here To Change The World
Cheater

I know most of these songs have since been released (01 reissues, TUC, Michael, Bad 25 and Xscape) but it kinda shows that there is material out there.


Now as for my wish I have a few things in mind.

1. A huge Opus book full of notes, drawings, hand written/type lyrics and picture of Michael in the studio, photos of the tapes and reels that are sitting in the vaults. Stories about Michaels song writing process process and how he was in the studio.

2. A Docu-Series! I’d love to see a multi part documentary (Motown, The Jacksons, Solo Years) of studio heads (the ones that actually worked with Michael) listening and discussing his songs - released and unreleased. The XSCAPE documentary was done with wrong people.
There are songs the estate feel don’t appeal to the masses and aren’t worth anything. Have these guys break down and talk about all these tracks. See how much they remember. Go over studio notes. Tinker with the multi-tracks. Let them isolate Michaels vocals. Showcase his beatboxing skills. Play work tapes. Play unreleased alternate verses. Everyone is getting up in age and all this stuff should be documented.
The estate could try to strike a deal with Netflix or Hulu and one of the big cable networks to show the documentary the same way they did with Bad 25.

3. Release a big box set like Ultimate Collection. In it the booklet could be a slimmed down version of the Opus. They can throw in songs like Deep In The Night, the alternate version of Smile, Michaels demo of Eaten Alive, Alright Now, Joy, The Toy, the demo to Speed Demon, Make A Wish, an early version of Can’t Let Her Get Away, You’re The One, some unreleased Motown stuff, Victory, the solo of I Just Can’t Stop Loving You and some of the other original demos that were promised to be on Bad 25.


4. Same idea as number 1 and 2 but now an Opus and and docu on Michael’s Short Films. Then Michael’s performances and his humanitarian efforts!

I know this is a lot but I’m trying to speak it into existence. Can’t go wrong with some wishful thinking.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

Michael himself told in interview he recorded 100+ songs for every album. So I don’t believe the rumors that his vault is empty. Don’t know where this rumor came from. The BAD album alone was supposed to be a triple album. There is so much left, finished or unfinished. For invincible alone there is so much left in finished state that you can fill a whole album and release it.

It’s so obvious that the estate released songs which were leaked online before and then some. They have enough left. But they play the lazy annoying game.

Wow. i didn't know BAD was suppose be an triple album. imagine if that sold back then? he probably would been the first artist to do that. it would of cost a bunch of money for sure. that's probably why it didn't happen because Michael always made his stuff lower price to all his fans could paid for and enjoy. that's probably explain BAD25 in 2012. the estate was probably trying to go by Michael choices or ideas like the scream album because Michael wanted to make Halloween theme album but never got chance because he left us too soon to make one.

you're right. they can just slap all his songs from the invincible album he didn't release make an album out of that.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

I know this is a lot but I’m trying to speak it into existence. Can’t go wrong with some wishful thinking.

That's the point of this thread anyway. just wishful thinking.

 

[Serpens Albus]

I would love to have all of the stuff Michael recorded and worked on. Mainly from the 'HIStory' and 'Invincible' era, as those time periods fascinate me the most. Complete and incomplete, doesn't matter honestly. I would pay anything for that type of stuff

 

[ScreenOrigami]

I tried to treat myself to a BluRay/DVD of “Ghosts” for Halloween, and finding out that there is no such thing and the best I can get in terms of official releases is a Video CD, has to be one of my biggest WTF moments of 2019. :doh:

So, that would definitely be right at the top of my wish list.

 

[Hess]

They really need to make a Thriller-Making of Thriller/Ghosts - and making of Ghosts Blu-Ray box set.

And get ALL MJ's music vodeos to 4K - or best possible quality if 4K is not possible. - Anything better than VHS.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

^Fully agree with you

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

A lot fans been asking for Thriller and Ghosts on dvd combo for awhile now. as well for all MJ short films in high quality. they need too. you would expect they would of done it by now since it been 10 years since he has been gone. they did do thriller in 3D at the movies a few years ago. i think they said they was gonna put it on dvd but they never did. :\

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

There's always next year. though i don't see it happening. the estate is too busy with the musical and court cases.