who are friends, who are not

[rainny]

I certainly think David Gest is a good friend but Mark Lester my opinions of him have definatley changed now after what he's done since MJ died

He made a public mistake in an attempt to get in touch/ keep

contact with the children. People are not perfect. It doesn't

necessarily mean that he wasn't a good friend for many years, imo.

 

[MJJ:G.O.A.T]

She put the pictures on her Facebook page and later showed up

on TMZ. Isn't it possible that there are people from TMZ on her

Facebook page, as they are everywhere, and that they stole

the pictures?

She sold the pictures of Michael's grave to Splash News.

Well apparently, they were sold to Splash News first and Splash News sold them to TMZ. Some people contacted Splash News and they confirmed that they bought them from the original owner and sold them to other media outlets including TMZ. As you stated in your post as well, Facebook could not have sold the photos, because at the time copyright belonged to Karen who is the original owner.

TMZ and Splash News may be the scum of the earth, but they are very careful when dealing with material like this.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2365956&postcount=80

@Agnes - Yes she put them up on her facebook but she did, in fact, sell them to Splash News. I have two sources there confirming this.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2366607&postcount=88

Also see this post: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2368076&postcount=96

 

[MJJ:G.O.A.T]

He made a public mistake in an attempt to get in touch/ keep contact with the children. People are not perfect. It doesn't necessarily mean that he wasn't a good friend for many years, imo.

There are many ways he could have attempted to keep in contact with the children. If he only wanted to keep in contact with the kids, why feed into the media's negative image of Mike with some of his comments or question the kids paternity? By doing what he did he clearly shows that he doesn't have their best interest at heart and he could care less about their father. IMO, he like Quincy Jones was NEVER a true friend to Mike. The both of them are Harvey Dents (a.k.a Two-Face). Mark Lester did that interview to make money. Prince & Paris are $$$ to him.

 

[darklight]

He made a public mistake in an attempt to get in touch/ keep

contact with the children. People are not perfect. It doesn't

necessarily mean that he wasn't a good friend for many years, imo.

well sorry but I disagree a good friend isn't one who turns on you when your dead for money!

There are many ways he could have attempted to keep in contact with the children. If he only wanted to keep in contact with the kids, why feed into the media's imagine of Mike or question the kids paternity? By doing what he did he clearly shows that he doesn't have their best interest at heart and he could care less about their father. IMO, he like Quincy Jones was NEVER a true friend to Mike. The both of them are Harvey Dents (a.k.a Two-Face). Mark Lester did that interview to make money. Prince & Paris are $$$ to him.

yeah exactly my point I think all he seemed to be after is making some mega bucks

at first when he was on this morning (british morning show) he seemed to talk well of Michael pretty much from what I saw of it that is (I didn't see it all) but then there was that incident & that got me I thought how could you be so two faced??? it's just not on!

 

[callmerose]

Here is my wild speculation:

Leonard Rowe - no
Tohme Tohme - no
Al Malnik - maybe, once
Firpo Carr - don't know what's going on with him
Mark Lester - once upon a time, in a galaxy far far away
Arnie Klein - was Wormtongue friends with King Theoden?
Lou Ferrigno - fitness trainer - The Hulk is a true friend
Randy Phillips - Does Randy Phillips even have friends?
Kenny Ortega - yes
Travis Payne - don't know, seems like a nice guy, though
Christian Audigier - designer - no clue
Karen Faye - no
Kai Chase - chef - an employee, not a friend
Cherilyn Lee - no
Grace - complicated, perhaps a love hate relationship
Frank Dileo - yes, in a Frank sort of way
Raymone Bain - no, but not a danger
Deepak Choprah - as long as Michael was advancing his agenda
Jesse Jackson - More like, you help me, I'll help you
David Gest - at one time, I think
Shana Mangatal - no, but she wanted to be real bad....
Miko Brando - yes
Brett Ratner - yes
Chris Tucker - yes
Alberto Alvarez - don't know
Michael Amir - don't know

I would like to add that Michael had friends that no one really knows about too.

 

[rainny]

She sold the pictures of Michael's grave to Splash News.

Without the family's permission, and after them saying to want the place

to remain private from public eye? Gee....that's not nice.

Thanks for answering.

 

[rainny]

There are many ways he could have attempted to keep in contact with the children.

I think he tried the phone. I'm in no way trying to defend

the things he said or didn't say on TV but just trying to

look at things from different angles when possible.

He said that the story was going to go out in the UK

anyway, and that he had the option of sitting back and

and letting it go without his input or to come forward.

I guess he was also thinking about his four children watching

the 'news' on TV, or so he said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZUl_l0uW7I

 

[HemlockDevi]

Thank you for the links.



I don't believe that a cardiologist doesn't know how to do CPR properly.

I think that maybe by the time Murray realized that there was something

wrong with MJ , it could have been too late, and that then he panicked,

which could have led to the odd behavior of disappearing from the hospital, etc.

I'm sure Dr Murray is still a very panicked man.

this Boulé - if i say it simply they are trying to rule the world? but are they nice guies or bad one? If Micael don't want to be part would they live him, or they will go after him? for example when we hear about NOI it's not in a good way. so how about this Boule

No they are not trying to rule the world. They are similar to an elite fraturnity of professionals who recruit after college. They were modeled after the skull and bones group at Yale. They are much higher(socially and politcally and economically) than the NOI. Think more in line with a somewhat wealthy Masonic order.

They are more like "the keepers" of the secrets ,the "advisors" to the American elite and the "gatekeepers" in certain matters in the African American community. They possibly ( I only meant maybe Jessie Jackson who is a Boulé member) like the NOI (Farrakhan) or Scientology (Lisa Marie Presley) and a lot of other groups would liked to have recruited MJ because of his un equalled fame and Money.


.

 

[MJJ:G.O.A.T]

Cherilyn Lee

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTE1MTkwNzk2.html

If what she says is true; why all the "drama"? Example why was the 911 call not made for 50 minutes? Why was the call not made by Murray?
Why did Murray(a Cardiologist) not know how to perform CPR? Why did he not sign the death certificate as Michael Jackson's "doctor"? Also why was Murray not the physician having this propofol discussion MJ?

Was the "perfect" pitchwomen for the Michael Jackson "drug addict" propaganda via the major media. She was the "authority"(with no proof) that Michael Jackson phoned her and "begged for drugs." Of course I believe Michael Jackson was murdered so I do not trust her. IMO she is another player in this distraction away from the truth of what really happened on the 06-25-09.


Kenny Ortega & Tavis Payne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnHFhdmWXx0&feature=player_embedded

IMO It was just a job(this is why I placed $$$ with their names) they seem not to be sincere and are making the rounds all the interviews with "crocodile tears" and "concern" notice they pretend to have noticed little and have no serious information nor revalations to what was really going on at the rehearsals. To me they were just promoting the TII Film.


The Boulé (Sigma Pi Phi)

Boulé is a Greek word meaning "Advisors to the King" or a lower house of Parliment.

Is a secret society(like Skull & Bones) of elite African American(AA)
Professionals and high profile people. Most (AA) Mayors Doctors College Professors and Politicians are in this group. Most (AA) are not aware that it even exist. Founded in 1904 it was the first (AA) fratunity in the USA. In the later entertainers and sports stars became members
(due to their increasing wealth) before only the "right" families were allowed membership. (limited to 5000) Some people believe this group has a more sinister tone as in one of the faces of the mythical Illuminati. While other praise their many charitable works and honors.

Here is the "Official History of the Boulé
http://www.sigma-pi-phi.net/home/history_of_the_boule.php

Here is an interesting article from the NYTs
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/07/style/is-there-a-black-upper-class.html?pagewanted=all

Invited to the White House
http://www.sigmapiphi.org/home/boul-leadership-meets-with-white-house-officials.php

Famous Boulé members were and are:

W. E. B. Du Bois(Scholar, Writer)
Kweisi Mfume(former NAACP President) Ralph Bunche
Andrew Young(Former Atlanta Mayor and UN Ambassator)
L. Douglas Wilder(former VA Govenor)
Ron Brown(former DNC Chairman)
Martin Luther King(civil rights leader)
Arthur Ashe(Tennis)
Mel Watt(Congressman)
Hank Aaron(Baseball)
Thurgood Marshall(Supreme Court)
Jessie Jackson(Politics)
Bill Cosby(Entertainer)
Bob Johnson(BET founder)
Barack Obama(President)
Henry Louis Gates(Harvard Professor)
Colin Powell(Former Joint Chieh of staff, Former Secretary of state)
It is rumoured that even Al Sharpton and even Conrad Murray may be "in the club".

Thanks for replying and for the links. I'll check them out soon; I've been busy with school and work. It makes me wonder how Nurse Lee came to know (& work for?) Mike. We already know she has lied/exaggerated her story by Dr. Carr's account of getting her to back down on Nancy DisGrace. I read a post on here by someone claiming Lee had tests which showed his system was clean and was asked by the police to turn them over. I'll have to look that up.

As for Kenny and Travis, one would hope that they wouldn't see working for Mike as just a job as long as they've been with him. Honestly I wonder why they saw him losing weight and didn't say anything to him. I guess they don't want to say something now for fear of looking bad. Seriously they know he wants to gain weight before a tour. Did anybody ask Murray what's going on, why is he losing weight? After all he was his doctor. It seems like Frank Dileo, Kenny Ortega or Randy Phillips didn't. Were they reassured by Murray that Mike would be fine? Lou Ferrigno had to have noticed. Well IMO the weight loss can be explained by one of the drugs Murray was giving him (I can't remember the name right now, but its known to cause weight loss) not Frank's explanation which was that Mike wanted to lose weight for dancing. :smilerolleyes:

Thanks for the info on the Boulé. I wasn't aware of it.

 

[callmerose]

Thanks for replying and for the links. I'll check them out soon; I've been busy with school and work. It makes me wonder how Nurse Lee came to know (& work for?) Mike. We already know she has lied/exaggerated her story by Dr. Carr's account of getting her to back down on Nancy DisGrace. I read a post on here by someone claiming Lee had tests which showed his system was clean and was asked by the police to turn them over. I'll have to look that up.

As for Kenny and Travis, one would hope that they wouldn't see working for Mike as just a job as long as they've been with him. Honestly I wonder why they saw him losing weight and didn't say anything to him. I guess they don't want to say something now for fear of looking bad. Seriously they know he wants to gain weight before a tour. Did anybody ask Murray what's going on, why is he losing weight? After all he was his doctor. It seems like Frank Dileo, Kenny Ortega or Randy Phillips didn't. Were they reassured by Murray that Mike would be fine? Lou Ferrigno had to have noticed. Well IMO the weight loss can be explained by one of the drugs Murray was giving him (I can't remember the name right now, but its known to cause weight loss) not Frank's explanation which was that Mike wanted to lose weight for dancing. :smilerolleyes:

Thanks for the info on the Boulé. I wasn't aware of it.

In the interview with Raffles, Frank said he did call a meeting with Michael and Murray about the issue of Michael losing weight. They both assured him that he was at a healthy weight and there was nothing wrong. We don't know if Kenny or Travis spoke to Michael about his weight. I have never heard from them one way or the other.

Kenny is very well off. He did not need to do TII for the money or the fame. He has plenty of both already. He has been friends with Michael for years.

 

[MJJ:G.O.A.T]

In the interview with Raffles, Frank said he did call a meeting with Michael and Murray about the issue of Michael losing weight. They both assured him that he was at a healthy weight and there was nothing wrong. We don't know if Kenny or Travis spoke to Michael about his weight. I have never heard from them one way or the other.

Kenny is very well off. He did not need to do TII for the money or the fame. He has plenty of both already. He has been friends with Michael for years.

Interesting. Did Frank say anything else about that meeting? Like if he asked why Mike was losing weight? I saw most of Frank's interview but didn't get to finish it all. I'll have to finish it sometime. Thanks for that bit of information and for sharing your viewpoint on Kenny.

 

[rainny]

Did Frank say anything else about that meeting? Like if he asked why Mike was losing weight? .

He said that according to Murray everything was well and dandy.

Frank said that MJ had lost ' a few pounds' because he wanted to.

Pffffft.

 

[Rockin.]

Here is my wild speculation:


I would like to add that Michael had friends that no one really knows about too.

about karen - personal photos of the two of them and Karen's daughter over 25+ years, and loving personal letters written to her from him suggest Karen was a friend actually, on some level.

however, the grave photo saga.. well.. i don't know the truth on that, i can't imagine her doing that but if she did sell them then i lost any sympathy for her *, and considering their relationship makes me see her in a very bad light. Then again look what Mark Lester did, I would never have thought he'd do that. Horrible.

edit: * I do not mean that if this is true I have lost sympathy for her in regards to her being devastated about Michael's passing. I meant I may have lost sympathy for her in regards to somethings that fans say about her.

 

[Krshna28]

I don't understand why people dislike Frank Dileo. He was one of the few people to come and support Michael during the 2005 trial.

And I remember Karen Faye defending Michael on the second version of the Martin Bashir Interview.

And what about Macaulay Culkin, Eddie Murphy, Berry Gordy, Magic Johnson, Diana Ross and Elizabeth Taylor.

It seems to me that a lot of people here are jealous that they weren't one of Michael's friends........But I guess that most of us would make better friends then people like Uri Gellar, that fake rabbi and Mark Lester!!!

 

[MJJ:G.O.A.T]

He said that according to Murray everything was well and dandy.

Frank said that MJ had lost ' a few pounds' because he wanted to.

Pffffft.

Yeah I remember that last bit. Frank said Mike wanted to lose weight for dancing which IMO is B.S.

I don't understand why people dislike Frank Dileo. He was one of the few people to come and support Michael during the 2005 trial.

And I remember Karen Faye defending Michael on the second version of the Martin Bashir Interview.

And what about Macaulay Culkin, Eddie Murphy, Berry Gordy, Magic Johnson, Diana Ross and Elizabeth Taylor.

It seems to me that a lot of people here are jealous that they weren't one of Michael's friends........But I guess that most of us would make better friends then people like Uri Gellar, that fake rabbi and Mark Lester!!!

The problem that people Karen Faye has already been explained in this thread. I remember her talking about Mike's vitiligo in 'LWMJ:The Footage You Were Never Meant to See' too. Certain things she has done (ex. taking pictures of his grave when its not allowed and selling them) and said rub people the wrong way.

As for Frank, I'd like to know a bit more about why people don't trust him. But I know he did defend Mike during the trial.

"I know that he is innocent. A lot of people attack him for a lot of different reasons. One is, everybody would love to get their hands on the Beatles’ publishing. And he’s just one of those guys, he’s real kind and real nice and he can easily be taken advantage of. In this particular case, this kid had cancer, he found him a doctor, they didn’t have any money, he allowed them to live on his ranch. And when it was over, they didn’t want to leave. It was like blackmail. That’s all it was. We talked at each and every break. I wanted to let him know that I know he didn’t do it. In fact, when I went there, he didn’t know I was coming. It was very emotional. Michael said, ‘Frank, I can’t believe you’re here.’ And he started to cry. And I went over and I hugged him and we got on the elevator and he told [defense attorney] Tom Mesereau, ‘This is Frank Dileo. He used to manage me. I’ve had nine managers since then. He’s the only guy that showed up, or even called to see how I’m doing.’ That was a very rough thing on him, a very emotional thing.”

- Frank Dileo, Michael’s former manager

 

[Beachlover]

"I know that he is innocent. A lot of people attack him for a lot of different reasons. One is, everybody would love to get their hands on the Beatles’ publishing. And he’s just one of those guys, he’s real kind and real nice and he can easily be taken advantage of. In this particular case, this kid had cancer, he found him a doctor, they didn’t have any money, he allowed them to live on his ranch. And when it was over, they didn’t want to leave. It was like blackmail. That’s all it was. We talked at each and every break. I wanted to let him know that I know he didn’t do it. In fact, when I went there, he didn’t know I was coming. It was very emotional. Michael said, ‘Frank, I can’t believe you’re here.’ And he started to cry. And I went over and I hugged him and we got on the elevator and he told [defense attorney] Tom Mesereau, ‘This is Frank Dileo. He used to manage me. I’ve had nine managers since then. He’s the only guy that showed up, or even called to see how I’m doing.’ That was a very rough thing on him, a very emotional thing.”

- Frank Dileo, Michael’s former manager

Its very telling that Frank has hung in there all that time and I tend to believe Frank only wanted the best for him.

The tough thing here is that not everyone is going to be on the wrong side of things. Some of the people that were there really were good guys and really did care. I am sure of it.

 

[MJJ7777]

Yeah I remember that last bit. Frank said Mike wanted to lose weight for dancing which IMO is B.S.



The problem that people Karen Faye has already been explained in this thread. I remember her talking about Mike's vitiligo in 'LWMJ:The Footage You Were Never Meant to See' too. Certain things she has done (ex. taking pictures of his grave when its not allowed and selling them) and said rub people the wrong way.

As for Frank, I'd like to know a bit more about why people don't trust him. But I know he did defend Mike during the trial.

"I know that he is innocent. A lot of people attack him for a lot of different reasons. One is, everybody would love to get their hands on the Beatles’ publishing. And he’s just one of those guys, he’s real kind and real nice and he can easily be taken advantage of. In this particular case, this kid had cancer, he found him a doctor, they didn’t have any money, he allowed them to live on his ranch. And when it was over, they didn’t want to leave. It was like blackmail. That’s all it was. We talked at each and every break. I wanted to let him know that I know he didn’t do it. In fact, when I went there, he didn’t know I was coming. It was very emotional. Michael said, ‘Frank, I can’t believe you’re here.’ And he started to cry. And I went over and I hugged him and we got on the elevator and he told [defense attorney] Tom Mesereau, ‘This is Frank Dileo. He used to manage me. I’ve had nine managers since then. He’s the only guy that showed up, or even called to see how I’m doing.’ That was a very rough thing on him, a very emotional thing.”

- Frank Dileo, Michael’s former manager

I don't know why I don't trust him. But that was MJ's life. No one could be trusted.Everyone could have been corrupted at any point no matter how loyal they might have been.

But I have never seen the bolded part being said by Frank. It made me so emotional and that picture just really made me sad all over again.That was so sweet of him to say and do.I know MJ and Frank had a special bond, especially after having read what Frank said.

Thanks for that information.

 

[*Little Suzie*]

You forget Brooke shield and elizabeth taylor..

 

[*Little Suzie*]

Some of them do I not know so I skipped them over


Al Malnik - No
Kenny Ortega - Yes
Karen Faye - No
Frank Dileo - Yes but I dont like the way he treat Tatiana
Jesse Jackson - No
Shana Mangatal - Yes
Miko Brando - Yes
Brett Ratner - YES
Chris Tucker - Yes!!
Elizabeth Taylor - Yes
Brooke Shield - Yes
Beyonce - yes

 

[Rockin.]

Beyonce yes, Brooke Sheilds yes, Shana yes?
Karen Faye no, Al Malnik no, Jesse Jackson no ??

I know people don't like her but KF knew MJ for 25 + years on a personal level and photos and letters would prove that on some level she was his friend right up until his death (it was her whom brought her concerns about Michael's welfare and caused a meeting with Murray as said in the Frank interview by Raffles).. though there is this grave photo saga.

Al Malnik also seems to have been a friend from what I've seen and due to the fact he and his family regularly holidayed with MJ & MJ3, Brett and Chris... and MJ3 used to spend time with Malnik's family on their own. The Malniks also organised the surprised supermarket shop for MJ thats in PHM, and Al Malnik also has a dedication and special thanks for his 'support, love and caring' written in the 2003 Number Ones album.

Jesse Jackson has been a friend of the Jacksons since the beginning, he's a yes in my opinion. You'll see by photos of mj at jesse's birthday party last year.

Beyonce was not a friend. We hardly know anything about Shana. Brooke when they were younger but from her own admission she hadn't seen him for years and years.

There is Raffles too - yes

 

[callmerose]

Karen Faye no, Al Malnik no, Jesse Jackson no ??

I understand what you are saying about Karen. She was obviously a loyal employee for many years.

IMO when Karen started taking on the role of liason between Micahel and the fans, things went south. I think she got caught up in being a celebrity of sorts herself amongst Michaels fans and that began to cloud her judgement. Starting after the trial with the web site mess and continuing with the pictures of the tomb, etc. She seem to me to now be more interested in herself and less interested in Michael's legacy and what is best for his children.

 

[Lily]

I find the interpetation of the word "friend" to be quite interesting.....

 

[rainny]

Al Malnik also seems to have been a friend from what I've seen and due to the fact he and his family regularly holidayed with MJ & MJ3, Brett and Chris... and MJ3 used to spend time with Malnik's family on their own. The Malniks also organised the surprised supermarket shop for MJ thats in PHM, and Al Malnik also has a dedication and special thanks for his 'support, love and caring' written in the 2003 Number Ones album.

I may be wrong, but I think all of the above was

only in 2003.

 

[Autumn II]

The following is speculation, and my own opinion.

Al Malnik - No. Don't know much about him other than the rumored Mafia connections.

Kenny Ortega - No. There are too many inconsistencies in what he says about Michael's condition. He says Michael was absolutely fine. He also says he was worried about Michael's not eating enough, and cut up his food for him. This worries me.

Karen Faye - No. If she has something to say she should go to the authorities, not just blog about it. The release of the crypt photo was very sketchy, and so on.

Frank Dileo - No. Too many inconsistencies. Either Marlon did, or did not, tell him that Michael was not feeling well. Frank denies that he did. WHO called Frank to tell him that Michael had died, and when? There are inconsistencies about how he got the news. He appeared suddenly after not having worked for Michael for many, many years. Why? He said, "I'm Michael's manager in life and in death." His "employer" died, and there are executors to take care of the estate/business deals. Therefore, WHAT did he mean by that statement? He has connections with Sony. How long did he have these connections and when did he go on the Sony/ATV board? Too many questions. . . .

Jesse Jackson - Yes. I have no reason not to trust him.

Shana Mangatal - Not sure.

Miko Brando - Yes. A longtime friend, and worked on the road-crew for tours.

Brett Ratner - Yes. Seemed to genuinely care about Michael.

Chris Tucker - Yes. Same as Brett Ratner.

Elizabeth Taylor - Absolutely yes. She has always been supportive and has behaved with dignity.

Brooke Shield - Yes. She seems to have genuinely cared for him.

Beyonce - I have no idea.

Basically, the ones I trust are those who didn't work for or with Michael, and had no financial agenda. Brett, Chris, Brooke, and Liz seem beyond reproach and were genuine friends. Not sure about Jesse Jackson, but I doubt he was a close friend. Miko worked for Michael, but primarily. . he was his friend.

Ortega I do not trust. I didn't like the way he interacted with Michael in the TII film. Michael was usually the one in control of rehearsals, and this seemed different. If a person is in perfect health, then one does not have to worry about cutting up food?

Frank I do not trust at ALL. Michael severed their relationship many years ago. The time surrounding Michael's death was very chaotic, with apparently multiple managers. Frank was the last manager standing. HOW can he be "Michael's manager in death?" The estate executors are in charge of making business arrangements/deals, NOT Frank. Therefore, what is his financial interest in Michael, and why?

Karen Faye was a very bad "friend." If she had concerns about Michael (and she has said she did), she should have done something about it, when she could have. And not cash in later with a book. . . . . .

 

[Rockin.]

Karen Faye was a very bad "friend." If she had concerns about Michael (and she has said she did), she should have done something about it, when she could have. And not cash in later with a book. . . . . .

This is the last I want to say about Karen Faye because its annoying for me as well to talk about her, but she did do something about her concerns at the time. Frank mentions it in his Raffles interview. Karen was concerned about his weight etc. and went to Frank (I think), and there was a meeting with Michael, Murray, Frank and others to ask about his health and they were assured he was fine, so Frank and whoever else dropped it.

I have seen no evidence of a book by her, she has talked about a diary which she claims she gave to the family after his death, if this was important it would be passed to authorities. I think someone on here said she had been to or cooporated with autorities about any information. She used to rant about AEG and Sony..maybe she knows things. She put a concerning status up a long time ago. I have no idea what she says now as I don't view her page anymore, but are we supposed to disregard what she has said.. because she seems to be thinking along the same lines as those in the Investigative Forum.

Anyway, is this 'friend thread' to figure out who is behind his death or what..?! It seems kind of random to have Beyonce and Brooke Sheilds here..

 

[Rockin.]

I understand what you are saying about Karen. She was obviously a loyal employee for many years.

IMO when Karen started taking on the role of liason between Micahel and the fans, things went south. I think she got caught up in being a celebrity of sorts herself amongst Michaels fans and that began to cloud her judgement. Starting after the trial with the web site mess and continuing with the pictures of the tomb, etc. She seem to me to now be more interested in herself and less interested in Michael's legacy and what is best for his children.

Yeh, I do understand your point.

 

[dirtydiana27]

The following is speculation, and my own opinion.

Al Malnik - No. Don't know much about him other than the rumored Mafia connections.

Kenny Ortega - No. There are too many inconsistencies in what he says about Michael's condition. He says Michael was absolutely fine. He also says he was worried about Michael's not eating enough, and cut up his food for him. This worries me.

Karen Faye - No. If she has something to say she should go to the authorities, not just blog about it. The release of the crypt photo was very sketchy, and so on.

Frank Dileo - No. Too many inconsistencies. Either Marlon did, or did not, tell him that Michael was not feeling well. Frank denies that he did. WHO called Frank to tell him that Michael had died, and when? There are inconsistencies about how he got the news. He appeared suddenly after not having worked for Michael for many, many years. Why? He said, "I'm Michael's manager in life and in death." His "employer" died, and there are executors to take care of the estate/business deals. Therefore, WHAT did he mean by that statement? He has connections with Sony. How long did he have these connections and when did he go on the Sony/ATV board? Too many questions. . . .

Jesse Jackson - Yes. I have no reason not to trust him.

Shana Mangatal - Not sure.

Miko Brando - Yes. A longtime friend, and worked on the road-crew for tours.

Brett Ratner - Yes. Seemed to genuinely care about Michael.

Chris Tucker - Yes. Same as Brett Ratner.

Elizabeth Taylor - Absolutely yes. She has always been supportive and has behaved with dignity.

Brooke Shield - Yes. She seems to have genuinely cared for him.

Beyonce - I have no idea.

Basically, the ones I trust are those who didn't work for or with Michael, and had no financial agenda. Brett, Chris, Brooke, and Liz seem beyond reproach and were genuine friends. Not sure about Jesse Jackson, but I doubt he was a close friend. Miko worked for Michael, but primarily. . he was his friend.

Ortega I do not trust. I didn't like the way he interacted with Michael in the TII film. Michael was usually the one in control of rehearsals, and this seemed different. If a person is in perfect health, then one does not have to worry about cutting up food?

Frank I do not trust at ALL. Michael severed their relationship many years ago. The time surrounding Michael's death was very chaotic, with apparently multiple managers. Frank was the last manager standing. HOW can he be "Michael's manager in death?" The estate executors are in charge of making business arrangements/deals, NOT Frank. Therefore, what is his financial interest in Michael, and why?

Karen Faye was a very bad "friend." If she had concerns about Michael (and she has said she did), she should have done something about it, when she could have. And not cash in later with a book. . . . . .

Hey Victoria--agree with your analysis. Just one thing--I am on the fence about Ratner. He is Al Malnik's godson! Rumor has it that Chris Tucker introduced Michael to Ratner, but Malnik was a father-figure to him--and we all know how Michael felt about Malnik. Also, I think Ratner admitted that Michael was angry with him because he refused to testify at the Trial. Just haven't made up my mind about him!!!

 

[Rockin.]

Hey Victoria--agree with your analysis. Just one thing--I am on the fence about Ratner. He is Al Malnik's godson! Rumor has it that Chris Tucker introduced Michael to Ratner, but Malnik was a father-figure to him--and we all know how Michael felt about Malnik. Also, I think Ratner admitted that Michael was angry with him because he refused to testify at the Trial. Just haven't made up my mind about him!!!

There are a lot of links like this.

According to what I heard MJs driver was Bashir's brother, Dr. Thome Thome is Randy Phillip's brother in law..

Is there a thread about stuff like this?

 

[TinaG]

There are a lot of links like this.

According to what I heard MJs driver was Bashir's brother, Dr. Thome Thome is Randy Phillip's brother in law..

Is there a thread about stuff like this?

That would be a good thread...all the connections in one place. Six Degrees of Michael Jackson? It would make it much easier to find this info if it's all put in one place.

 

[dirtydiana27]

That would be a good thread...all the connections in one place. Six Degrees of Michael Jackson? It would make it much easier to find this info if it's all put in one place.

Tina--I like that idea--we could use a place where we show the connections--and there are many of them!!!!