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why did Michael call nurse Lee and not Murray on the 21st

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On June 21st Mike called nurse lee to complain about feeling cold on one side of his body and warm on the other. but why call her who he hadent talked to for nearly 3 month(according to nurse lee) and not call his hired personal doctor, murray? doesent make any sense.

had michael began having second thoughts on taking propofol for sleep after the side effects he suffered, did he not trust murray? mike had been taking propofol until the 22nd when murray decided to try without any propofol so he knew something was wrong with mj.

what do u think, i think this is a little weird?
 
We don't even know who he called and if he called anyone at all, it's all hearsay from people who try to cover their own asses.
 
u are wrong, mike called her on the 21st, we know this.
 
he called her because she was the ONLY one who told him it was not safe at all and she had no reason to lie . while murray stand to lose his salary he desperatley needed. Murray's lawyer said "murray left jackson unmonitored because jackson never suffered complications before and he thought it was safe" confirms that Murray did not find that drug as dangerous as it turned out to be .

MJ was the one who wanted to stop the propofol and that's why he called the woman who told him NO, and murray convinced him to continue with it so he won't lose the money.
 
is that your opinion or do you know its true thru some sources?
 
williamorange1 said:
he called her because she was the ONLY one who told him it was not safe at all and she had no reason to lie . while murray stand to lose his salary he desperatley needed. Murray's lawyer said "murray left jackson unmonitored because jackson never suffered complications before and he thought it was safe" confirms that Murray did not find that drug as dangerous as it turned out to be .

MJ was the one who wanted to stop the propofol and that's why he called the woman who told him NO, and murray convinced him to continue with it so he won't lose the money.[/QUOTE
are you kidding.:bugeyed
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whateverhappens50 said:
williamorange1 said:
he called her because she was the ONLY one who told him it was not safe at all and she had no reason to lie . while murray stand to lose his salary he desperatley needed. Murray's lawyer said "murray left jackson unmonitored because jackson never suffered complications before and he thought it was safe" confirms that Murray did not find that drug as dangerous as it turned out to be .

MJ was the one who wanted to stop the propofol and that's why he called the woman who told him NO, and murray convinced him to continue with it so he won't lose the money.[/QUOTE
are you kidding.:bugeyed
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I didn't realize that phone call happened on june 21st.
I can't believe after a scare like that he would keep relying on Murray and taking propofol
 
people keep saying he kicked people who warned him about propofol out of his life and Lee was one of them , but who warned him against propofol ? Murray and klien ? Murray was only brought to administer propofol, he was n huge debts , it is very safe to assume he was the last one who wanted mj to stop taking propofol , beside his own lawyer told us on 29th of june that murray only slept on occasions at mj's house and most of the time he was at his GF apartment .
Klien a pathological liar , he was fired from the university because he was caught prescribing drugs to students in the seventies . He is caught prescribing 27 times to himself within a three years period .
both of them murray and klien blame mj and described him as an addict who they both tried to help but failed

Only Lee was honest and said I came forward because that MAN WAS NOT ADDICT , and she provided medical tests and documents to back up her story . 51 demerol injection will be evaluated against Lee's documents and tests , to see whether Klien's bills are real or fiction .

Lee did not provide anything illegal, did not benefit from supporting a lie, and when she was asked about propofol she told mj her opinion eventhough she could have made alot giving it to him .

between Lee, Murray and Klien , MJ chose Lee when he thought there was indeed something wrong . klien did not say mj told him there was a problem , murray for sure kept saying mj begged for it till the last minute and he was the one telling him no .

a man who did not want to hear the word no, would not have called the person who told him NO when he suffered from complications . He did realize that Lee had no reason to lie while the others wanted money and may not have been seeking his best interests .

But murray reassured him it was ok and he was with him , no need to worry .
 
Credit to Justthefacts :


I was watching an interview with Murray's lawyer right after he got done talking to the police. He says that Murray did blood test on Michael and everything came back fine and that Michael was in good health. Fast forward a few months later all of the sudden Michael had these unusal problems that Conrad knew nothing about. Interesting take a look.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w4lWl92bt4
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twinklEE said:
We don't even know who he called and if he called anyone at all, it's all hearsay from people who try to cover their own asses.
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that's right.

boy, i cant wait for the arrests. just 2-3 months. they said arond new years.....ill just keep some faith.
 
"I can't believe after a scare like that he would keep relying on Murray and taking propofol "

I also can't understand why MJ would call the nurse on 21st - yet continue to take propofol after a scare like that, and then receive the concerned fans letters on 24th and STILL continue to take propofol & various sedatives.

It makes no sense.
 
We don't really know if there ever was any, such, phone call. She appeared out of nowhere. She confirms, in a way, Murray's statements about the Propofol.
 
slimblonde2 said:
"I can't believe after a scare like that he would keep relying on Murray and taking propofol "
I also can't understand why MJ would call the nurse on 21st - yet continue to take propofol after a scare like that, and then receive the concerned fans letters on 24th and STILL continue to take propofol & various sedatives. It makes no sense.
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My unassuming explanation for your lack of understanding is:

It makes sense when you see Michael against the backdrop of dependence.

And it makes sense when you consider that Murray had convinced him that propofol is not so dangerous.

I suspect Michael has called the nurse because he wanted to get help from her in private. Lee was probably the only one that he has contacted in connection with the drug "propofol". She was for him a confidant.

Beyond that....
Michael didn't want to go to the hospital, because otherwise he would have to cancel his concerts. In addition, he would have brought Murray into deep trouble during a hospitalization. And he would never be able to use propofol for sleeping again. This story would have caused a scandal.
Michael has acted strategically.

Too bad that Lee has been at the date of this "frantic call" in Florida. She could have prevented Michael's death.:( Everything had come different...

But in the end, it was a perfect storm.
 
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slimblonde2 said:
"I can't believe after a scare like that he would keep relying on Murray and taking propofol "

I also can't understand why MJ would call the nurse on 21st - yet continue to take propofol after a scare like that, and then receive the concerned fans letters on 24th and STILL continue to take propofol & various sedatives.

It makes no sense.
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True. At first I thought I had all the answers, that there only was one explaination for this story but this is more complicated than we think. I am left more and more confused the more I read about this. I dont know the answers, infact I dont know anything at all.
 
Victoria83 said:
We don't really know if there ever was any, such, phone call. She appeared out of nowhere. She confirms, in a way, Murray's statements about the Propofol.
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Thank you


Where is the proof this call really happened? I question all these "conversations" from people
who "knew something was wrong" yet did nothing but run to the Media after the fact. Also I question
all these taped conversation all these Media whores have produced and make public to get publicity or sell a book.
 
HemlockDevi said:
Where is the proof this call really happened? I question all these "conversations" from people
who "knew something was wrong" yet did nothing but run to the Media after the fact. Also I question all these taped conversation all these Media whores have produced and make public to get publicity or sell a book.
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Basically, we have no evidence of who is telling the truth. But we can choose those persons whose statements seem true to us. We can only speculate. And piece together our own personal observations - as it happens in everyday life. Or we can just stick with complete ignorance. And don't burden ourselves with it. We have the freedom to choose.
 
In the end of the day multiple people are lying about what happened and its up to the LAPD ultimately to discover who's lying and who isn't.
 
I remember her saying that Michael called to ask her instead because SHE was a medical expert.........

According to Carr, investigators have also found out Nurse Lee really isn't a medical doctor.

Does that mean she's not a medical expert like she claimed to be??

Looks like she's been caught lying just like everyone else.

Like I said before, she said she treated one of Michael's sick children. I wonder if any of them even know who she is?????
 
kasume said:
I remember her saying that Michael called to ask her instead because SHE was a medical expert.........

According to Carr, investigators have also found out Nurse Lee really isn't a medical doctor.

Does that mean she's not a medical expert like she claimed to be??

Looks like she's been caught lying just like everyone else.

Like I said before, she said she treated one of Michael's sick children. I wonder if any of them even know who she is?????
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I thought she always presented herself as a nurse.
 
The Nurse: And then there's Michael's one-time nurse, Cherilyn Lee. In her appearances on numerous national television shows she stated that Michael "begged" her for drugs. When I challenged her on national TV and finally confronted her on the Nancy Grace show (neither she nor I was aware that we would be appearing together on this CNN program), she backed off her position and said that Michael didn't beg her after all. Interestingly, according to the warrant she says that Michael simply "asked her [not begged her] if she could get propofol." Suddenly, though, the plot takes an unexpected turn here. While Lee says she refused Michael's request, the warrant says that "Jackson stated that Doctor Cherilyn Lee [investigator's found out that she's really not a medical doctor] had been giving him a 'cocktail' to help him." It further states, "Murray believed the cocktail to be a propofol (diprivan) mix."
http://www.lasentinel.net/The-Drug-Induced-Death-of-Michael-Jackson.html
 
AmberR said:
The Nurse:the warrant says that "Jackson stated that Doctor Cherilyn Lee [investigator's found out that she's really not a medical doctor] had been giving him a 'cocktail' to help him." It further states, "Murray believed the cocktail to be a propofol (diprivan) mix."
http://www.lasentinel.net/The-Drug-Induced-Death-of-Michael-Jackson.html
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Jackson stated? I presume they mean Michael Jackson? ~ if so, did he speak from the grave?

If they are referring to Michael Jackson there, my question to this is, Who said Jackson stated Doctor Cherilyn Lee?

I've never heard her refer to herself as anything other than a nurse practitioner.

There are loads of conflicting statements, timelines and things that simply do not add up about this whole thing.

I just wanted to add in to the mix, that will.i.am mentioned that MJ rang him to wish him a happy father's day, might be worth someone checking with will.i.am about how MJ was, time of the call and cross check these things.

I was just thinking about phone records, when I also remembered that there are have also been people who said they were trying to contact MJ by phone in the days leading up to the 25th who couldn't reach him, either because he was busy (will.i.am); or his number had been changed (Chopra); phone cut off? (TINI) and that's just those we've heard about. Plus no working landline at the house, that Murray could use to call out, does that mean MJ couldn't call out from there either?

I really do hope someone is genuinely investigating all of this.
 
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Moonlight said:
Jackson stated? I presume they mean Michael Jackson? ~ if so, did he speak from the grave?

If they are referring to Michael Jackson there, my question to this is, Who said Jackson stated Doctor Cherilyn Lee?

I've never heard her refer to herself as anything other than a nurse practitioner.

There are loads of conflicting statements, timelines and things that simply do not add up about this whole thing.

I just wanted to add in to the mix, that will.i.am mentioned that MJ rang him to wish him a happy father's day, might be worth someone checking with will.i.am about how MJ was, time of the call and cross check these things.

I was just thinking about phone records, when I also remembered that there are have also been people who said they were trying to contact MJ by phone in the days leading up to the 25th who couldn't reach him, either because he was busy (will.i.am); or his number had been changed (Chopra); phone cut off? (TINI) and that's just those we've heard about. Plus no working landline at the house, that Murray could use to call out, does that mean MJ couldn't call out from there either?
I really do hope someone is genuinely investigating all of this.
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I also heard that fans tried to talk to him over the phone outside the house, and Michael tried like 5 or 6 six times to get reconnected but the line kept breaking...don't know if that is true though.

And yes, I believe they should talk to every single person who was around Michael or spoke to him the days leading up. Will.I.Am made it seem like Michael was in a good mood.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnV2mrAM6l8

it's strange how the nurse said micahel was not feeling well on father's day. but he called will.i.am to wish will happy father's day and will said michael was doing good.

i'd also like to know if michael rehearsed on father's day......

it's also strange how he asks to go to the hospital the night before for heart problems, but when he's feeling half hot and half cold, he doesn't asked to be taken to the hospital.

and it's strange how she says that michael told her he was given it in a hospital before, and when he was given it he had "the best sleep i ever had." now, WHY would a hospital give propofol to a person for some sleep. THEY WOULDN'T. unless, it was for surgery. and by the experiences of others who have had propfol with an operation, it is NOT the best sleep ever.
 
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kasume said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnV2mrAM6l8

it's strange how the nurse said micahel was not feeling well on father's day. but he called will.i.am to wish will happy father's day and will said michael was doing good.

i'd also like to know if michael rehearsed on father's day......

it's also strange how he asks to go to the hospital the night before for heart problems, but when he's feeling half hot and half cold, he doesn't asked to be taken to the hospital.

and it's strange how she says that michael told her he was given it in a hospital before, and when he was given it he had "the best sleep i ever had." now, WHY would a hospital give propofol to a person for some sleep. THEY WOULDN'T. unless, it was for surgery. and by the experiences of others who have had propfol with an operation, it is NOT the best sleep ever.
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As far as I understood he didn't. June 19th was the last day when they rehearsed at the Forum. Then they rehearsed at the Staples Center on June 23rd and 24th.
 
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CatherineNZ said:
i wonder what does she mean? medicine is wide field. what does "expert" means? cardiology? nervous system? how can someone be an expert in medicine in general? i'd understand GP but she's not
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maybe im remembering wrong.....but i remember her saying that she's more than just a nurse....but i forgot what....or maybe im right. idk. so much stories from everyone....
 
CatherineNZ said:
i wonder what does she mean? medicine is wide field. what does "expert" means? cardiology? nervous system? how can someone be an expert in medicine in general? i'd understand GP but she's not
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she's a nurse practitioner, which has most of the benefits that a general practitioner (m.d. or d.o.) would have, only with less schooling and a lower degree. but in terms of knowledge/prescribing power, quite similar.
 
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