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Will a jury believe that Michael Jackson killed himself?

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souldreamer7 said:
Plus... The bodyguard was there..w/murray on that day 06.25.09 ..remember him? He admitted that Murray had him hide tubing or whatnot..? He should definetly be called to testfiy?
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I agree T. However, it was also said that the bodyguard was late in coming clean meaning, he waited tooo long to come forward. :smilerolleyes: Like Murray didnt? He was in a police chase for 2-3 days while he got together with his lawyers... I guess they Missed that fact!

I really hope this bodyguard testifies and has a good reason for not coming forward earlier.

L.o.v.e.
Romi
 
souldreamer7 said:
Plus... The bodyguard was there..w/murray on that day 06.25.09 ..remember him? He admitted that Murray had him hide tubing or whatnot..? He should definetly be called to testfiy?
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Yeh i remember hearing bout that, i hope he does go and testify.
 
To answer this thread's question: It depends on the proof, but as it is I think it's the weakest form of defense in a manslaughter/murder trial. Like a last resort to save your killing ass. I can't wait to see how this unfolds. May justice be served.
 
xthunderx2 said:
...he would never of been able to do it himself...believe me I have had propofol on a few occasions....there is NOWAY Michael injected himself...there would of not of been enough time..he would of passed out asleep before he could of finished pushing the plunger.
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I agree, and have also gone under on 2 separate occassions before having surgery.

Most folks who have had Propofol administered for surgery will say that you just don't "wake-up" bright eyed & bushy tailed. (There is no way Michael would have been able to do ANYTHING in the time it took Murray to take a bathroom break, IF the bathroom break story is even true.)

AFTER Propofol, you "wake-up" disoreintated and groggy. For a FEW minutes you try and get your bearings, because for those FEW minutes, you don't even remember where you are or what you're doing there. After a while, it all comes back to you, but NOT immediately, in my opinion.

Shoot, they won't even let you sit up, for fear that you "may" fall over and hurt yourself.

There is NO WAY this type of defense will fly!

All the prosecution has to do is show how a patient reacts when they come out of a Propofol induced sleep.
 
but Murray already "covered" that by claiming he only gave 25mg . With 25mg you don't really sleep to later "wake-up" disoreintated and groggy.
 
Soundmind said:
but Murray already "covered" that by claiming he only gave 25mg . With 25mg you don't really sleep to later "wake-up" disoreintated and groggy.
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I don't believe the 25mg story,

BUT: then I would STILL say that 25mg along with ALL of the other stuff that was given to Michael BEFORE the Propofol was administered, he would STILL have been way to groggy and disorentated to do anything, in the SHORT amount of time Murray claims he was on a bathroom break.
 
Boggy;3163128 said:
Let's recall the jury what the so-called Doctor gave MJ that night :

1:30 a.m. — 10 milligram tablet of Valium, a sedative.

2 a.m. — 2 milligrams of the sedative lorazepam (brand name Ativan) given intravenously.
3 a.m. — 2 milligrams of the sedative midazolam (brand name Versed) given intravenously.
5 a.m. — 2 milligrams of lorazepam given intravenously.
7:30 a.m. — 2 milligrams of midazolam given intravenously.
10:40 a.m. — 25 milligrams of propofol (brand name Diprivan) given intravenously and diluted with lidocaine (brand name Xylocaine).
10:50 a.m. — Doctor leaves Jackson’s room; returns minutes later to find Jackson not breathing.



Let's get serious !
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Thank you very much for the above!

By Murray's own admission, he gave Michael a "cocktail" of drugs between 1:30am and 10:40am, there is NO WAY Michael would have been "clear" minded enough to do OR administer anything while Murray was on his "alleged" bathroom break.
 
The tox screen proves he did not give him all of those Benson. And as I was told by a nurse who works with propofol 25 milgrams would not put anyone to sleep. It takes at the very least 100 milgrams to put a person to sleep. So his story when put up against facts crumbles
 
Justthefacts said:
The tox screen proves he did not give him all of those Benson. And as I was told by a nurse who works with propofol 25 milgrams would not put anyone to sleep. It takes at the very least 100 milgrams to put a person to sleep. So his story when put up against facts crumbles
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So why would Murray even bother to administer the 25mg if, as your nurse friend stated: "25mg would not put anyone to sleep."

Murray is a big fat liar, and gave Michael WAY more than 25mg. He knew from jumpstreet that he was in HOT WATER and that's "probably" why he didn't bother telling the emergency staff what he had given Michael, beginning early that morning.

Murray had to RUN & HIDE, so that he could come up with some type of plausible story, in my opinion, and that's where that 25mg story came from.
 
Big Apple2 said:
I agree, and have also gone under on 2 separate occassions before having surgery.

Most folks who have had Propofol administered for surgery will say that you just don't "wake-up" bright eyed & bushy tailed. (There is no way Michael would have been able to do ANYTHING in the time it took Murray to take a bathroom break, IF the bathroom break story is even true.)

AFTER Propofol, you "wake-up" disoreintated and groggy. For a FEW minutes you try and get your bearings, because for those FEW minutes, you don't even remember where you are or what you're doing there. After a while, it all comes back to you, but NOT immediately, in my opinion.

Shoot, they won't even let you sit up, for fear that you "may" fall over and hurt yourself.

There is NO WAY this type of defense will fly!

All the prosecution has to do is show how a patient reacts when they come out of a Propofol induced sleep.
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Right they need to show a demonstration and I bet some of the jurors may have gone under for medical reasons as well and I bet they didn't get up trying to inject themselves.
 
Let's recall the jury what the so-called Doctor gave MJ that night :

1:30 a.m. — 10 milligram tablet of Valium, a sedative.

2 a.m. — 2 milligrams of the sedative lorazepam (brand name Ativan) given intravenously.
3 a.m. — 2 milligrams of the sedative midazolam (brand name Versed) given intravenously.
5 a.m. — 2 milligrams of lorazepam given intravenously.
7:30 a.m. — 2 milligrams of midazolam given intravenously.
10:40 a.m. — 25 milligrams of propofol (brand name Diprivan) given intravenously and diluted with lidocaine (brand name Xylocaine).
10:50 a.m. — Doctor leaves Jackson’s room; returns minutes later to find Jackson not breathing.



Let's get serious !
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lorazepam @ 2 and 5 am yet no lorazepam detected in liver WOW !!!!!
lorazepam on 23, 24 and 25 yet no lorazepam detected in urine WOW!!!!!!

And what doctor uses versed to treat "addiction" ?:smilerolleyes:
what was the "advantage" versed have over propofol? at least propofol was not addictive and MJ could have been able to perform.

why memebers here still copy and paste what those so called experts said about that timeline and continued to say after the toxicology report was published including that idiot who reviewed the records for TMZ is beyond me.
 
Murray is definitely lying.. 25 mg would not put anyone to sleep and you wouldn't need an IV drip for it either.. 25 mgs is just a teaspoon correct? why would an iv drip be needed for a teaspoon of liquid? and if 25 mgs would not put anyone to sleep then what exactly was Murray trying to do at 11:00 am when MJ should've been getting up going to rehearsal?
 
StacyJ said:
As a demonstration during the trial the prosecution should ask if Murray can be used to demonstrate how propofol and benzo's work. They should inject his ass with the same stuff he gave MJ and let's see how he reacts to it
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i agree... LOL that should be his punishment. they need to hook his behind up and walk out the room for "2MINUTES"

CherubimII said:
Hell awaits Conrad Murray.
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I dont agree with condeming others to hell, but i feel as even if muarry gets off on this earth, he still has someone to answer to when he leaves this earth. n i dnt care how many times he tries to go to church and ask for forgiveness either, what done is done, and you knew what you were doing.

144 said:
you're absolutely right. rep points for this.

and Murray's team is grasping for straws, if that's all true. they and tmz are sensationalizing a theory which is a reach that sounds like pigs flying. theories are not facts..they're just questions disguised as answers.
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i will say that the tmz people said that they never really belived his story. but i know harvey is a lawyer and he is looking from a perspective of what will hold up in court and what wont, thats all.

xthunderx2 said:
D.A. Acknowledges Murray Defense: MJ Killed Himself

44 minutes ago by TMZ Staff
The prosecutor in the Conrad Murray manslaughter case just said in court what TMZ told you back in April -- that Dr. Murray's lawyers will argue ... Michael Jackson killed himself with a fatal dose of Propofol.

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L.A. County Deputy District Attorney David Walgren told the judge today, "I do think it's clear the defense is operating under the theory that the victim, Michael Jackson, killed himself."

We broke the story ... Murray's theory is that when he left Michael's bedroom the day he died to go to the bathroom, Jackson awakened and in a moment of frustration infused himself with a massive dose of Propofol.

Walgren said in court, "They don't want to say it but that's the direction in which they are going."



there you go..:)
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thanks :)
 
yup.. Murray should be the demonstration. A doctor should administrate the same amount of drugs during a course of 8 hours and then top it off with propofol and let's see what happens to Murray? Mind you Murray is much taller and bigger than Michael
 
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OK back to reality here is a copy of the tox findings what they found in Michael's body and where they found it. Versed is the last drug he said he gave Michael before the Propofol however notice there is none in Michael's liver none in his hospital blood none in his femur blood. It could be suggested that perhaps the night before or even a few days before June 25 is when Michael had the Versed and it was on his way out of his body that is why there is so little of it in his system. The Lorazepam You know I have been harping on that. None in Michael's liver none in his urine and lets not forget he said he gave Lorazepam the night before and it takes around four days for that stuff to leave his system but there is none in Michael's urine? But take a look at where is what does that tell you about what Murray did on that day? And remember Lorazepam was a factor not thee factor but it was a factor in Michael's death.
 
I always wondered why Propofol was found in his stomach and even in his eyes? Am I missing something?
 
Yes you are whatever drug you take legal or not will show up in your eye fluid
 
But take a look at where is what does that tell you about what Murray did on that day?


I don't know what does it tell us?
 
Murray needs to grow up and take responsibility for his own foolish actions. He needs to man up and admit to his wrong doing. I knew this was going to come up. Though, I have a feeling the jury will see right through his lying, smug face and send his ass to jail. Where he belongs.
 
I also pray they have Murray recorded.. He even told the EMTs and the ER doctor he only gave him lorazepem.. why lie?
 
they know that they don't like tell the truth in this kind of world :yes: is true
this world is not made for telling the truth the world ios made for lies but people like to hind the truth in this world
 
Hell no!
There is so much evidence to show that Michael would have never done such a thing! The autopsy result is the most solid evidence. Handwritten notes and career plans/contracts are another. Also, his friends or people he was working with can testify.

The autopsy result adamently stated that suicide is HIGHLY unlikely. Didn't it? It just wouldn't have been possible. He was injected too many times and too much to have done it himself. He would have been out long before he actually did if he did it.
 
Justthefacts said:
Yes you are whatever drug you take legal or not will show up in your eye fluid
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Ok, but what about his stomach? I did not drink it, why it was there?

And....

He could not inject himself with such HUGE dose of propofol because simply he would faint from the first drop. This is what specialists say.
 
From the comments I have seen on general news websites about this not a single person believes this so I very much doubt a jury will. There is no way a person who has had multiple sedatives would be able to get a syringe and insert a convienetly filled syringe into him. There is no way and if Murray expects a jury will believe this then his team has more money than sense. Its ridiculous.
 
i just hear it on the news about yesterday court :yes:

make me sick i hate what the jury say that Michael kill himself is not true at all :no:
 
StacyJ said:
Michael is not on trial.. Murray is. The judge will decide what evidence gets in and not. No other doctors should testify since no other doctors killed MJ on June 25th 2009. The only doctor there and is being prosecuted is Conrad Murray and I doubt Murray will get any other respectable doctor who will admit to giving someone propofol as a sleep aid
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Murray's lawyers will take the focus and put it on Michael. They are going to do whatever it takes save this guy's butt. I just hope that people will see through the crap and remember and see that Michael was wronged. The focus has to be on Murray. Just reading that they will probably say that Michael did this to himself breaks my heart when I know that is not true.
 
Murray's lawyers will take the focus and put it on Michael. They are going to do whatever it takes save this guy's butt. I
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true but it all depends on what the judge allows. u cant use any evidence u want as the pros has the ability to file motions such as a 352. to stop it from being admisable
 
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