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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    Here's one of my favorite socially aware songs of all time:

    Inner City Blues
    (M. Gaye, Jr./J. Nyx, Jr.)

    Rockets, moonshots
    Spending on the have-nots
    Money, we make it
    Before we see it, you take it
    Ah make me wanna holler, the way they do my life
    Make me wanna holler, the way they do my life
    This ain't living, this ain't living
    Nah, nah baby this ain't living, no, no, no, no

    Inflation, no chance
    To increase finance
    Bills pile up sky high
    Send that boy off to die
    Oh make me wanna holler
    The way they do my life
    Make me wanna holler
    The way they do my life

    (Scatting)

    Hang-ups, let downs
    Bad breaks, setbacks
    Natural fact is, oh honey, that I can't pay my taxes
    Oh make me wanna holler and throw up both my hands
    Yeah, make me wanna holler and throw up both my hands

    Aow!
    Crime is increasing
    Trigger-happy policing
    Panic is spreading
    God knows where we're heading

    Ah baby, it make me wanna holler
    They don't understand
    Yeah, it make me wanna holler
    They don't understand

    (Scatting; musical interlude)

    Mother, mother
    Everybody thinks we're wrong
    Who are they to judge us
    Simply 'cause we wear our hair long

    (C)1971 Motown Records, LP
    Last edited by troubleman84; 17-12-2007 at 02:21 PM.


    "OK, first of all, I have this skin disorder that destroys the pigmentation of the skin. It's something that I cannot help. Okay? But when people make up stories that I don't wanna be what I am, it hurts me. It's a problem for me, okay? I can't control it. But let's reverse it. What about all the millions of people who sit out in the sun to become other than what they are?" -- Michael Jackson (1993)

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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    well i was watching a youtube video the other day where Oprah was asking him about the changing of his skin color, and when he first told everyone about his vitiligo. He said point blank I am a black American. I am proud to be a black American. I am proud of my heritage. He did put it out there like that. Not simply not excluding it, but saying where he stood on it. He was also squashing other rumours that were being put out there at the time trying to make him seem as if he was trying to be something other than what he was. He went on record saying that was all bogus and there was no truth to it.

    As for being a socially aware black artist, he is both socially aware and a black artist. He has to sing about his hair to be considered so? He has raised a lot of awareness on Africa, the world in general and the issues of all people, child abuse, poverty, TDCAU that is about what? I think he is being about as blunt as possibly can be in that song.

    I'm not even going into the whole perceptions thing on eccentric or whatever. I don't see how any of that has to do one way or the other about whether he is socially aware. Michael is a messenger, and delivers messages absolutely on social issues in his music. I dont see how anyone could challenge that.


    No power of genius has ever yet had the smallest success in explaining existence. The perfect enigma remains. — Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882).

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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    Are any of us 'socially aware' ?? When was the last time we did something for our respective communities ??

    Socially aware in what sense ?? How do any of us define socially aware ?? What exactly is the criteria ??

    I consider myself 'socially aware' ... the things I do, that allow me to feel worthy of that description, may not be things that any of you do. Any of you, that feel you are 'socially aware' may do things, that I do not. That does not make you or I, 'socially UNaware'.

    To make an argument or discussion on such a matter, it might help to define some parameters of what it means to be, 'Socially Aware'. Otherwise, we are just talking around one another's differing opinions or expectations of others.

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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    And in all honesty, this is one of the singers Mike learned vocal techniques (and how to write serious lyrics) from:

    Living for the City
    (S. Wonder)

    A boy is born in hard-time Mississippi
    Surrounded by four walls that ain't so pretty
    His parents give him love and affection
    To keep him strong, moving in the right direction
    Living just enough, just enough for the city

    His father works somedays for fourteen hours
    And you can bet he barely makes a dollar
    His mother goes to scrub the floors for many
    And you can best believe she hardly gets a penny
    Living just enough, just enough for the city

    (Scatting)

    His sister's black but she is sho nuff pretty
    Her skirt is shrot but Lord her legs are sturdy
    To walk to school, she's gotta get up early
    Her clothes are old but never are they dirty
    Living just enough, just enough for the city

    Her brother's smart, he's got more sense than many
    His patience's long but soon he won't have any
    To find a job is like a haystack needle
    Because where he lives, they "don't use colored people"
    Living just enough, just enough for the city

    (Scatting)

    Living just enough for the city (15X)

    (Spoken dialogue: the man arrives from Mississippi to New York City and ends up getting mistaken for a drug dealer who hands him some cocaine and is arrested by the cops later sentenced to ten years for prison despite his not guilty plea; the song takes him out of jail and into homelessness)

    His hair is long
    His feet are hard and gritty
    He spends his life walking the streets of New York City
    He's almost dead from breathing in air pollution
    He tried to vote but to him there's no solution living just enough
    Just enough for the city

    I know you hear inside my voice of sorrow
    And that it motivates you to live a better tomorrow
    This place is cruel, the world couldn't be much colder
    If we don't change, the world would soon be over
    Living just enough, stop giving just enough for the city

    (Scatting and harmonizing to the end...)

    (C)1973 Black Bull Music, Co.
    Last edited by troubleman84; 17-12-2007 at 02:39 PM.


    "OK, first of all, I have this skin disorder that destroys the pigmentation of the skin. It's something that I cannot help. Okay? But when people make up stories that I don't wanna be what I am, it hurts me. It's a problem for me, okay? I can't control it. But let's reverse it. What about all the millions of people who sit out in the sun to become other than what they are?" -- Michael Jackson (1993)

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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    Heh, I don't know about you (I think all things considered the words "socially aware" are a tricky thing) but this thread is giving me the excuses to post social commentary. :lol:

    I think Mike's socially aware because he sings it in his songs that do have awareness in them. But I hate getting into "arguments" about it.


    "OK, first of all, I have this skin disorder that destroys the pigmentation of the skin. It's something that I cannot help. Okay? But when people make up stories that I don't wanna be what I am, it hurts me. It's a problem for me, okay? I can't control it. But let's reverse it. What about all the millions of people who sit out in the sun to become other than what they are?" -- Michael Jackson (1993)

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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    Being socially aware shouldnt have to do with skin color
    everyone needs to be socially aware in some aspect
    regardless of race, religion and or creed.
    all the mish mosh in between is just hogwash
    its sort of judgmental to say the least...
    sort of a damned if you dont or damned if you do thang?
    Last edited by Poefiend; 17-12-2007 at 02:46 PM.

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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by soso def View Post
    u do realize that even MANY fans don't realize insurance paid the family? there was NO WAY insurance would have paid UNLESS feldman changed the allegations to simple negligence. please don't think it was anything smart or savvy on mj's part...it was all feldman.
    I did not say MJ"s savvyness had anything to do with it. I'm saying that Feldman did the ONLY sensible thing TO DO since MJ was completely innocent, he wanted the nightmare to go away and all that family wanted in the first place was MONEY and when they got it they were happy as two chia pets in the jungle.

    and yes, they saw him as a pedophile b/c this is the same man who went on PTL and said he would continue the sleep overs...the same guy who continued to be seen w/ kids (mainly the cascios) and the same dude who they felt was eccentric.
    Eccentrcity is not pedophelia and no they did not because nobody came flying out of the woodwork to try and charge him for what he said on PTL or for hanging out with kids.

    no one here is holding on the pedophile notion...
    i can't tell

    it's just how he was seen.
    by... oh ok....YOU and a few others here i guess

    believe what u want but if reality and common sense are present, then parts of ur argument are just faulty.

    he's socially aware but doesn't throw it out there like 'im proud to be black' cuz um...he doesn't exude it. u got india arie singing about her hair and the struggles black folks have been through just b/c of it, akon singing about and embracing africa, and common and mos def uplifting us and mike's singing about the break of dawn.
    Michael comes from a world of idealism. You know this. Although his deepest roots are in the African American culture he GREW UP in a WHITE AFFLUENT culture AND a Jewish community. His only wish has ever and always been that there is no such thing as racism. As someone not black pointed out: "the focus on race is what creates racism."

    Maybe Michael was placed in such a multi-cultural setting in his life so that he could demonstrate that.

    Every artists contribution is valid - including Michael's. They are not all meant to be the same.

    Some black artists express specific frustrations with the black experience and many don't. Does Whitney Houston sing about black hair? Are her fans ragging her about it? I dunno, maybe you don't either. I"m just asking. Did Luther Vandross keep his fist in the air on his songs? Do his die hard fans take away from his contribution because he didn't? Just asking.

    yes, the save the world songs that appear on every album might inspire but it doesn't resonate w/ me.....the line he sang in '2300 j st.' when he said he'd always find his way back home....kind of wishful thinking or song filler imo.
    'Home' is where the heart is. Michael's heart has always been with his family. I see no delimma there. From what I heard from the people of Gary, he is always so full of pride when he's there and is so relaxed, they say, like a whole 'nother Michael Jackson - completely down to earth, relaxed and at home.

    carry on
    well ok :lol:

    Also, I don't know how y'all think Michael could have been awarded by an African Embassy in 2004 if he'd been doing nothing for African people all this time. He even went further and decided to meet with congress. Now you will tell me this doesn't 'count' because... (something) I suppose - what - because he was going through the trial and wanted the support of black people all of a sudden because without it he would have.............................................. .......WHAT.


    http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_r...=1&DR_ID=22984


    Speaking of Stevie Wonder, oh and political candidates - - while we're dong song lyrics that express 'awareness' let me point out this song which was the first such song Michael and his brothers showed up on from the 70s ...


    but before we get to those...I have a question.

    In Michael's song, "They" Don't Care About Us - who do you suppose the "THEY" was..?..and who do you suppose the "US" was?

    Here's Stevie and the J-5 joint:

    We are amazed but not amused by
    all the things you say
    That you'll do. Though much
    concerned but not involved
    With decisions that are made by you.

    But we are sick and tired of hearing your song
    Tellin' how you are gonna
    change right from wrong
    'Cause if you really want to hear our views:
    You haven't done nothin'

    It's not to cool to be ridiculed
    but you brought this up
    On yourself. The world is tired of pacifiers
    We want the truth and nothing else
    yeah.

    And we are sick and tired of hearing your song

    Jackson five
    join along with me
    Sing: Doo doo wab
    Hey hey hey
    Doo doo wab waw waw waw waw doo doo dab
    Naw naw naw doo doo wab
    go go go
    Doo doo wab bum bum bum doo doo wab

    He would not care to wake up to the night-mare
    That's becomin' real life
    but when mislead
    Who knows a person's mind can turn
    as cold as ice - um hum

    Why do you keep on makin' us hear your song

    Tellin' us how you are changin right from wrong
    'Cause if your really want to hear our views:
    You haven't done nothin'
    yeah.

    Doo doo wab waw waw waw doo doo dab

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    Save the Children
    (R. Benson/A. Cleveland/M. Gaye, Jr.)

    I just wanna ask a question
    Who really cares to save a world in despair?
    Who really cares?

    There'll come a time
    When the world won't be singing
    Flowers won't grow
    And the bells won't be ringing
    Who really cares
    Who is willing to try to save a world
    That is destined to die?

    When I look at the world
    It fills me with sorrow
    Children today will really suffer tomorrow
    Oh what a shame
    Such a bad way to live
    Who is to blame when we can't stop living?

    Live, live, live for life
    But let live everybody
    Live life for the children, ah, for the children
    Oh (let's save the children, let's save all the children)

    Save the babies
    Save the babies
    And if you wanna love, you got to
    Save the babies
    Save the babies
    All of the children...

    But who really cares
    Who's willing to try, yeah
    To save a world
    Yeah, save our sweet world
    To save a world that is destined to die

    Ah, oh, la-la-la-la, la-la-la
    Oh, ah, dig it everybody...

    (C)1971 Motown Record Company, LP


    "OK, first of all, I have this skin disorder that destroys the pigmentation of the skin. It's something that I cannot help. Okay? But when people make up stories that I don't wanna be what I am, it hurts me. It's a problem for me, okay? I can't control it. But let's reverse it. What about all the millions of people who sit out in the sun to become other than what they are?" -- Michael Jackson (1993)

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    Quote Originally Posted by troubleman84 View Post
    Heh, I don't know about you (I think all things considered the words "socially aware" are a tricky thing) but this thread is giving me the excuses to post social commentary. :lol:
    :lol: and song lyrics but its all good! Gave me an excuse to post mine.

    I think Mike's socially aware because he sings it in his songs that do have awareness in them. But I hate getting into "arguments" about it.
    well, I don't mind disagreements - I think it lends some buzz to a discussion board - don't worry Timmy - we're not tryin to hurt eachother, I promise :lol: (sweet lullo thing, worryin bout fighting breaking out :lol: )
    Last edited by SoS; 17-12-2007 at 04:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troubleman84 View Post
    Save the Children
    (R. Benson/A. Cleveland/M. Gaye, Jr.)

    I just wanna ask a question
    Who really cares to save a world in despair?
    Who really cares?

    There'll come a time
    When the world won't be singing
    Flowers won't grow
    And the bells won't be ringing
    Who really cares
    Who is willing to try to save a world
    That is destined to die?

    When I look at the world
    It fills me with sorrow
    Children today will really suffer tomorrow
    Oh what a shame
    Such a bad way to live
    Who is to blame when we can't stop living?

    Live, live, live for life
    But let live everybody
    Live life for the children, ah, for the children
    Oh (let's save the children, let's save all the children)

    Save the babies
    Save the babies
    And if you wanna love, you got to
    Save the babies
    Save the babies
    All of the children...

    But who really cares
    Who's willing to try, yeah
    To save a world
    Yeah, save our sweet world
    To save a world that is destined to die

    Ah, oh, la-la-la-la, la-la-la
    Oh, ah, dig it everybody...

    (C)1971 Motown Record Company, LP
    Thank you for these! And this is what MJ grew up on. Two of his Motown mentors did it - it was emblazened into his consciousness. The Commondores followed suit with Zoom and Sweet Love (and nobody's ragging on them for not having their fist up in the air all the daggone time either) and other groups of the day sang about "saving the world" - after this song came out. Great choice. Great song!!

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    Troubleman I meant you no disrespect by saying (sweet) lullo thing - I know you're a full grown man, just sweet and kind - I'm from the South, please excuse me.

    so-so I mean you none if I seem to imply you think of him as that - its just that sometimes to me you do, and/or I'm not clear where you're coming from - on the other hand - I understand your anger and frustration that somebody as amazing as MJ isn't carrying your personal torch.

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    Ha, it's all good, SoS.


    "OK, first of all, I have this skin disorder that destroys the pigmentation of the skin. It's something that I cannot help. Okay? But when people make up stories that I don't wanna be what I am, it hurts me. It's a problem for me, okay? I can't control it. But let's reverse it. What about all the millions of people who sit out in the sun to become other than what they are?" -- Michael Jackson (1993)

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    Michael Jackson, being the high achiever that he is and setting standards in the music industry is all that I need for black awareness. I need nothing else. Him standing tall and strong amidst the darts and the disadvantage, him refusing to bow and to give up, that is inspiring for me and should be for everyone no matter what coluor they are, It would be a shame if a black person doesn't get inspred by Michael Jackson, but that is there loss. MJ inspres me to reach for my dream. Thanks MJ. I do not need to see someone shouting black power to be inspred by them.
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    Mr Jackson was very strong and powerful, and he was scary in a way, but not without a sense of humour, although it was clear that all the children had a huge amount of respect for their dad.
    'I had a set opinion of the family beforehand and, because my perception of them changed while making the film, ...They came across as a steady, committed family, whereas it was the people around them who were scrabbling in the dirt. British reporter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troubleman84 View Post
    Heh, I don't know about you (I think all things considered the words "socially aware" are a tricky thing) but this thread is giving me the excuses to post social commentary. :lol:

    I think Mike's socially aware because he sings it in his songs that do have awareness in them. But I hate getting into "arguments" about it.
    you don't like getting into arguments... but you love to argue admit it.

    Anyone's level of social awareness, the action(non-action) one takes with regard to that awareness ... comes down to is your own personal situation. If all you have to offer is time, you volunteer in your community. Or you are vocal to anyone who will listen, you educate those around you ... casting a light on situations that may not be widely known & enlisting those individuals to help champion your cause.

    Some may have extra money to donate to social organizations. Others may hold a position, that affords them the strength of those that back them in their endeavors. People with this status, often influence their colleages, friends and other people around them to follow their lead.

    Michael is in a category all his own. He holds the power to influence people in the global community. His donations are far reaching ... call it social awareness or just plain charity to the world...

    Think of it this way, if he had the money that he had donated over the years to UNCF and make a wish foundation alone, he could pay off neverland's mortgage or close to it. He may have never needed to mortgage it in the first place, had he not been soo giving.

    Socially aware ... hell to the yeah !!
    Last edited by MJJChichi; 17-12-2007 at 05:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJJChichi View Post
    you don't like getting into arguments... but you love to argue admit it.
    :p If I had been in one of my old screen names, yeah.


    "OK, first of all, I have this skin disorder that destroys the pigmentation of the skin. It's something that I cannot help. Okay? But when people make up stories that I don't wanna be what I am, it hurts me. It's a problem for me, okay? I can't control it. But let's reverse it. What about all the millions of people who sit out in the sun to become other than what they are?" -- Michael Jackson (1993)

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