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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    fans will always see what they choose to see. if a man was accused, and the world was told he paid to make it go away, there were rumors of other payoffs and then u hear him say he still has sleep overs....and this is in '95...wht the hell else do people think? just b/c YOU don't feel that way doesn't mean america isn't being told he's a creepy man who does things to children.

    whatever is whatever does....feldman did what was best for his client...and for himself, if only cochran had done the same.

    u got white folks donating to africa. does that mean they can get an award too? seems like africa wasn't even important until white celebs started going there and doing charity...like what we did before didn't count. but the minute bono and angie go, it's a big deal.

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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by raingirl View Post
    I think the world had pretty much forgotten about the allegations of 93 in 2001 until the new sh!t hit the fan in after the Bashir interview 2003.
    Sorry a bit ot but I had to say it.
    Quote Originally Posted by STATEofSHOCK View Post
    quote]by 2001 the world thought of him as a pedophile


    No, you took the words right out of my mouth; its the truth - The world did not think of him as a pedophile in 2001. That was the whole probelem. The plan had failed! The purpose of having the INSURANCE cover that matter was served in terms of removing that mess from public consciousness and so did his 'other' PR moves - by 2001 Michael had moved on and so did the world.[/quote]


    You're kidding, right? No one forgot about 93 in 2001; I rediscovered MJ at that time and thats all I would hear about in the AOL message boards when I was surfing the internet for anything and everything MJ. I didn't know the scrutiny the public had for him was that severe or deep...and being in adolescence back in the early 90s, I had no idea what they were saying because I hadn't known what was going on at the time. All I remember was Michael giving a statement in a video, frantic and scared and I felt sorry for him even though I had no idea what he was talking about.
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    Default Re: Is MJ a Socially Aware Black Artist to You or Not Really?

    I would say he was. he loved his race and culture and he would speak out about it. but he also loved all people. i would say he was and still is a socially aware artist. one thing about Michael was he put everyone together not just his race and culture.

    I think the reason why people think he wasn't socially black artist because the media make it seem he didn't like his race or culture. which is not true.

    i'm African-American and most people i know who's also African-American look up to MJ. so yes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NatureCriminal7896 View Post
    I think the reason why people think he wasn't socially black artist because the media make it seem he didn't like his race or culture. which is not true.
    I don't think it was just the media. Back in the 1980s, some black people considered artists like Mike, Lionel Richie, Prince, & Whitney Houston as selling out to crossover to the white audience. Whitney was even booed at the Soul Train Awards one year. That's also why people were surprised she married Bobby Brown, who was seen as as having a more "street" image. Also it could be that some wanted black performers to make Public Enemy & X Clan style protest songs. It was the same criticism earlier performers such as Sammy Davis Jr, Louis Armstrong, Nat King Cole, & Johnny Mathis got during their era.

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    It is a fallacy to believe that Michael Jackson did not like his race or his culture.

    I will bring up a very characteristic example: just take a look at his female leading ladies (in his music videos).

    Michael Jackson chose mostly black ladies for his music videos to co-star with him.

    Ola Ray (‘Thriller’), Naomi Campbell (‘In The Closet’), Iman (‘Remember The Time’), Kishaya Dudley (‘You Rock My World’) etc.

    Also, Michael Jackson’s music aimed at all people, regardless of their race, ethnicity, or culture.

    He wanted to get clearly that message across, so he decided to conclude his HIStory Tour by performing in South Africa in front of South African audiences, a place known for the big racial and ethnic diversity of its people.

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    They Don't Care About Us exists.. does it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    I will bring up a very characteristic example: just take a look at his female leading ladies (in his music videos).

    Michael Jackson chose mostly black ladies for his music videos to co-star with him.

    Ola Ray (‘Thriller’), Naomi Campbell (‘In The Closet’), Iman (‘Remember The Time’), Kishaya Dudley (‘You Rock My World’) etc.
    That is true. But he was mostly seen in his personal life with Brooke Shields, Tatum O' Neal, Lisa Marie Presley, Elizabeth Taylor, & other white women. At least that's what was shown in the mainstream media.

    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    Also, Michael Jackson’s music aimed at all people, regardless of their race, ethnicity, or culture.
    That's how he was promoted. There's many black artists who didn't get the mainstream promotion. It wasn't because their music was different from Mike's. The labels only promoted them to the R&B stations & audiences. Just like black acts who made rock music didn't get the same amount of promotion as white rock acts. They weren't heard on the rock radio stations other than maybe Jimi Hendrix and he was oldies. Very few women rock performers got on AOR radio too. They didn't sell like Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, or Ozzy Osbourne.

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    Default Re: Is MJ a Socially Aware Black Artist to You or Not Really?

    Why does it matter? This post is beyond me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderouzmj View Post
    Why does it matter? This post is beyond me!
    This kind of attitude is one of the reasons all the MAGA white supremacists came out in the open (in the USA) with the election of Donald Trump. The idea of "let's ignore race, it doesn't matter, there's only the human race" does not work and probably comes from people in which their race/ethnicity does not affect their everyday life.

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    While race don't matter when it comes to somethings. it does matter with somethings. that's why Michael messages were to love another. things what's going on in other places then just America. heal the world. save the children. peace of earth. save the earth.



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    even when Michael gave interviews to black publications such as 'jet' in the late 70's, he always spoke of global unity. the idea that we are all one family wherever we come from. he was well travelled at a young age, and wanted to combine the best of what he had seen. the jacksons peacock logo was about integrating all colours into one. these beliefs were a part of his Jehovah's witness upbringing, and was also reflected in a multitude of songs. his diverse audience is evidence of this message. sadly, there's been an effort to erase all of this since his death, and use select moments to further a particular agenda. one that he wasn't around to witness.

    yes, Michael spoke on black issues, but he wasn't a separatist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 83magic View Post
    yes, Michael spoke on black issues, but he wasn't a separatist.
    So you're saying speaking about black issues or being Afrocentric automatically means being segregated? Soul Train didn't only have black performers & dancers on it although they were the main focus because many black artists did not get featured on the white music shows of the time. Public Enemy has toured with Anthrax and PE has a large white audience. Duran Duran remade 911 is A Joke.

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    Default Re: Is MJ a Socially Aware Black Artist to You or Not Really?

    Michael did speak up about this stuff. a lot of times. after all he was born in the late 50's. he was around the civil rights era and everything. Michael message was about being one. we all a family. yes he care about his race and culture. but also cared about other people and cultures too. Michael loved his race and culture.



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