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    Default Is MJ a Socially Aware Black Artist to You or Not Really?

    i ask this because Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Curtis Mayfield amongest others are considered Socially aware Black Artists but you never hear MJ mentioned in that discussion. now "We Are the World" brought all people together but it was a Black statement with MJ and Lionel Richie writing it together and Quincy Jones Producing it. Can You Feel it, they don't care about us, Jam. He has been socially aware from a Black Perspective,but he never hardly gets acknowledged in this? care to speak on this.

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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    Well i think a lot of that has to do with the media trying to say that MJ isn't proud to be black DESPITE all accounts otherwise.

    But MJ definitely is as socially aware black artist...it's all in his music, like u've mentioned. It's in his humanitarian efforts. I mean it's really come out in recent years with the NAACP speech he gave (then people said he was pulling the race card).

    I think also that MJ likes to take a more global approach to his humanitarian efforts. I feel he thinks that he shouldn't focus only on african american issues, which are also important but I feel he wants to reach people globally...on a non-limited scale. That's my take anyway.



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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    This is a tough one. I don't know if I should comment because I am not sure I understand what you mean by 'socially aware black artist'

    He is socially aware

    He is black

    And he is an artist.

    Then I would say he has been praised and recognized for his humanitarian 'socially aware' efforts.

    But do you mean something else? Do you mean does he specifically relate to oppression of blacks or to black causes rather than see poor as poor and oppressed as oppressed regardless of race or nationality?

    Martin Luther King was considered a black leader but most people interestingly enough do not recognize the universality of his cause. He was a humanitarian fighting for the oppressed above all else. It just happens that the poor were and are largely of color.

    So where in that range are you asking if Michael has been recognized? I think that Michael was able to bridge the gap better than Martin Luther King.

    Both suffered backlash. Martin Luther King from both white racists and corporations afraid of a rebelling/awakening the poor. You saw the racism first with MLK even though it was really the underlying corporate manipulation that fueled the backlash. With Michael we usually point toward the corporations (Sony, media, etc) trying to get hold of his catalogue or make money off of him. They were able to use racism to aid them (think Snedden). But the difference I think is that blacks always stood solidly behind MLK but with Michael they are confused. He left the J5 and 'crossed over' and in addition it was touted he did not want to recognize being black. He is weathly and that makes him even harder for those blacks who are struggling to relate to (even though it was MLK who was the one born upper class). It put Michael more solidly in the middle but not by any real difference between him and MLK in their philosophy.
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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    He is socially aware

    He is black

    And he is an artist.
    :lol: Not at u but the obvious comment Good points.



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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    eternitys_child is making very interesting points as usual. I don't have much to add, but I do think that the times when he tries to say something in his art about opression and expresses that he is indeed one of the opressed, people don't get it. Like TDCAU for instance. It was very obvious to me what that song was about, but most reviewers didn't seem to understand very much.

    When people say that MJ doesn't recognize his race, I always think about the scene in the TDCAU prison version where he looks straight in the camera and claps his chest while singing the words "black man, black male, throw a brother in jail". I also think about the panther dance in BOW. It's not a coincidence that he metamorphosises from and into a black panther. Especially since he and his brothers used to do the black panther salute in the seventies.
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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    Yes he is. People just hadn't been following up all these years since. But he's as socially aware as Marvin, Bob and Curtis were.


    "OK, first of all, I have this skin disorder that destroys the pigmentation of the skin. It's something that I cannot help. Okay? But when people make up stories that I don't wanna be what I am, it hurts me. It's a problem for me, okay? I can't control it. But let's reverse it. What about all the millions of people who sit out in the sun to become other than what they are?" -- Michael Jackson (1993)

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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by J5master View Post
    Well i think a lot of that has to do with the media trying to say that MJ isn't proud to be black DESPITE all accounts otherwise.

    But MJ definitely is as socially aware black artist...it's all in his music, like u've mentioned. It's in his humanitarian efforts. I mean it's really come out in recent years with the NAACP speech he gave (then people said he was pulling the race card).

    I think also that MJ likes to take a more global approach to his humanitarian efforts. I feel he thinks that he shouldn't focus only on african american issues, which are also important but I feel he wants to reach people globally...on a non-limited scale. That's my take anyway.
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    Sony/ATV, a joint venture between Sony Corp (6758.T: Quote, Profile, Research) and pop star Michael Jackson, expects more music catalogues to be put up for sale this year as people look to cash in profits in a slowing economy, said CEO Martin Bandier in a telephone interview.

    "To the extent that large acquisitions become available, Sony/ATV is in a particularly good place," he said. "It's hard to overpay for a great Picasso...if you're buying quality music that will last for generations. Great songs are a rarity."

    Sony/ATV is a traditional music publisher which makes money every time a piece of music is used on a variety of outlets including radio, movies, live performances, advertising as well as a share from recorded music sales.
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    Michael P. Schulhof, president and CEO, Sony Corporation of America, said: "Michael Jackson is not only the most successful entertainer in history; he is also an astute businessman. Michael understands the importance of copyrights and the role they play in the introduction of new technologies. In joining us for this new venture, Michael recognizes Sony's leadership in developing and realizing new technologies that serve to expand the creative horizons of artists such as himself.

    He added, "To have Michael Jack son's song catalogues joined with ours will enable both Sony Music and Michael Jackson to aggressively build on a publishing portfolio filled with songs that are acknowledged as the cornerstones of popular music today."

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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    this has always been a contraversal topic. It goes deeper than the music, deeper than A LOT mentioned. I have seen "black" artists, and various people say Michael neglects the fact he's black.. And this was before Michael's skin was light.. So it was not driven by his appearance, but other things..

    But I do FIRMLY believe and KNOW he is well aware, and well acknowledges black history, black culture.... HE'S A PROUD BLACK MAN..
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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    Well he spoke out against the music industry in 2001 and he was mainly protesting against their treatment of Black artists. He, Sharpton, and Johnnie Cochran were to form a coalition. At that time he talked about how the Great Black artists (pioneers) are excluded from history books. At that time I remember Al Sharpton speaking on MJ's concerns for 'Black problems' and that MJ is one of the first to call and donate money when racial injustice occurs. He gave the example of the NY man who was viciously sodomized by the cops years back. Sharpton said Mike was the first to call him offering his assistance and money.
    In 1998, Michael was to team up with a wealthy businessman to get a casino business in Detroit. He spoke about ownership and how we need to become 'owners'. I remember him speaking about this (speaking to Black people). The deal fell through unfortunately.
    There was (and maybe to this day) a Michael Jackson NAACP scholarship for needy students.
    He's worked on African projects with Mandela. And his future plans are to build a theme park in Africa. I so hope this materializes.
    I believe Michael Jackson is a very aware black man and does a lot that we never hear about.

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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    Does anyone have the transcripts of Michael speaking with Jesse Jackson - around 2004/2005? Michael made very socially conscious remarks about being black and persecuted. If anyone for one moment forgot that this man is black, please take a moment to listen to that interview.

    Michael is militant, black and very socially aware.

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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    I think Michael is totally aware. I tyhink he does so much more than what is even publicized... I know that just what is publicized is more than most any other artist ever.

    I know when I saw Mike in Gary 2003, he was relaxed and so comfortable amongst his own people. It shined right through him. He was so vibrant and energetic... stood tall, like to relay "these are mah peeps". It was classic. You had to be there.

    Read, research... there are too many, many, many examples to prove his ethnic awareness to name right here in one post.

    Sadly this is an issue brought up throughout his adult life primarily due to the fact of his vitiligo. He is still a black man through and through. Listen to his soul. His lyrics.

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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    As for the J-5, even though I Want You Back had nothing to do with the civil rights movement, their success had plenty to do with it as examples of what can be achieved despite age or race. Many of these 'black boys' songs were about global love and personal pride (eg., I Am Love, Hallelujah Day, Stand, Can You Feel It) Those types of songs are actually more true statement of 'civil rights' than just talking about "black issues" and, they were entertainers, not activists, so its not fair to point to I Want You Back and say they made no contribution to the cause. I Want You Back brought black people together in its way, whether it was a song about race or not.

    Also, you have to look at MJ as a WHOLE person and not just a black person. During the trial of his life, he was throwing up the fist in acknowledgement of the fact that his personal plight was indeed a 'racial' issue - not just about him being a black man, but a WEALTHY black man which power-hungry racists detest even more, next to educated black men. Haven't you heard the expression - "what do they call a wealthy black man with 10 college degrees? N****R

    So yes, he pulled out all the stops to fight for his life and being that he's still a wealthy black man, he can afford to shop at Sharper Image - and as pointed out in an earlier post, he's made continual contributions to black education and one of his trips was to Africa...and he still cares about the world as a whole because he realizes that he lives in a whole world, not just a black world, unlike many other black people who see the world problems only one way.

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    First of all, Michael Jackson doesn't have to explain to anyone why he publicly supported one cause over another. Secondly, I don't think many here can name every and any thing that Michael Jackson has done in the name of charity. Thirdly, so what if Michael Jackson isn't protesting about this and that in Africa or holding charity events for those in Africa. Is that a requirement for all Black Americans to show pride in their race? No. And that needs to stop being the "pissing contest" for it.

    There are many walking around with Malcolm X shirts, throwing up their fists, and being all things "Africa." But, in the end, what counts in the individual acts over a lifetime. There is not one person here who can say this man has not given of himself and his finances to others in need. If it was a cause that you would have supported, tough; it wasn't you or your money.

    People need to stop expecting the world from Black celebrities. Let them support what they want. It has nothing to do in terms of being a reflection on their feelings towards their race.

    Michael Jackson has touched and benefited the lives of many Black people. More shouldn't be required of him as long as he is giving what he feels moved to give. Anything that anyone else wants done should do it themselves, not wait for Michael Jackson to do it.

    Michael Jackson exhibits so much more Black pride and awareness in himself simply through actions than many who feel they have to "shout" it.

    Michael has repeatedly stated his sentiments towards Africa and many other social issues. Unless you know everything that this man has done, you can't say that he hasn't addressed any of his sentiments. Sometimes what goes most towards the heart of a problem are small series of gestures versus single, grand plans. Unless you can say that he has done nothing as a fact, perhaps such should be left better unsaid.

    If people would stop generalizing about this man and actually listen to him and his music, there would be no way to say he isn't a socially aware Black Artist.

    And for the record, the Sony demonstrations were not the first time he has spoken out against how the industry can scam Black artist. But, as so often, people tend to ignore and forget what they choose.
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    Default Re: is MJ a Socially aware Black Artist or not to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by classic View Post
    First of all, Michael Jackson doesn't have to explain to anyone why he publicly supported one cause over another. Secondly, I don't think many here can name every and any thing that Michael Jackson has done in the name of charity. Thirdly, so what if Michael Jackson isn't protesting about this and that in Africa or holding charity events for those in Africa. Is that a requirement for all Black Americans to show pride in their race? No. And that needs to stop being the "pissing contest" for it.

    There are many walking around with Malcolm X shirts, throwing up their fists, and being all things "Africa." But, in the end, what counts in the individual acts over a lifetime. There is not one person here who can say this man has not given of himself and his finances to others in need. If it was a cause that you would have supported, tough; it wasn't you or your money.

    People need to stop expecting the world from Black celebrities. Let them support what they want. It has nothing to do in terms of being a reflection on their feelings towards their race.

    Michael Jackson has touched and benefited the lives of many Black people. More shouldn't be required of him as long as he is giving what he feels moved to give. Anything that anyone else wants done should do it themselves, not wait for Michael Jackson to do it.

    Michael Jackson exhibits so much more Black pride and awareness in himself simply through actions than many who feel they have to "shout" it.

    Michael has repeatedly stated his sentiments towards Africa and many other social issues. Unless you know everything that this man has done, you can't say that he hasn't addressed any of his sentiments. Sometimes what goes most towards the heart of a problem are small series of gestures versus single, grand plans. Unless you can say that he has done nothing as a fact, perhaps such should be left better unsaid.

    If people would stop generalizing about this man and actually listen to him and his music, there would be no way to say he isn't a socially aware Black Artist.

    And for the record, the Sony demonstrations were not the first time he has spoken out against how the industry can scam Black artist. But, as so often, people tend to ignore and forget what they choose.
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    Michael opened the door for black musician,he showed that if you are good enought there are NO LIMITS!
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