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Datsymay

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I was reading a thread on a message board when the thought came to mind. It is no secret that the music industry is in the doldrums right now. Music sales are at an all time low' There has been nobody creating excitement in the busines for a long time now.
Is Michael being gently led back into the limelight by the music industry, with the full cooperation of the media? Is there a concerted effort by all those involved to bring him back, cause only MJ can bring back the excitement and the fun and lead people back to the music shops.
Will.I.am says in the interview in Ireland, that MJ is needed to put a jult back into the music. I don't think he just came up with that. I believe that there is a programme at work to bring MJ back, with the full cooperation of the media. What do you think?^_^
 
I totally agree with everything you said. It's the truth. the musci industry is BORING right now because the most important element is missing--- Michael Jackson. Can i get an AMEN!!

christian
 
I don't think so. The media is not cooperating, they are just waiting for Michael to comeback, so they can criticize his every move again
 
takinnostuff said:
I totally agree with everything you said. It's the truth. the musci industry is BORING right now because the most important element is missing--- Michael Jackson. Can i get an AMEN!!

christian
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YES, you can get an Amen from me. :D
I think that the WMA and the Japanese visit cause these people to look again. MJ saved the industry 2 times before, and I believe he is called upon again to do it. I also think that it was not only the mourners at JB funeral that were listening to JB's last wish. I think the music industry were listening too.:)
 
Well, I don't know if ALL those people are secretly "conspiring" to bring Michael back. But it is indeed a possibility of course that a "resurrection" is orchestrated by some music and media cycles to bring him back in the spotlight. I will also agree that the music industry today, even though it has a certain amount of talented people, does not have the advantage of having a musical genius/phenomenon to create a kind of mania and, thus, boost sales. I hope more people take notice after the success of Thriller 25 that Michael has the potential power to bring back the magic, which is no secret that the music industry has lost for some time now.
:)
 
jaydom7 said:
I don't think so. The media is not cooperating, they are just waiting for Michael to comeback, so they can criticize his every move again
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I think they will have both headlines written and they will use the one that is most beneficial to them, but the media is not foolish. They will not go for an all out attack on MJ if they feel that the public is not with them, The worldwide success of Thriller has forced them into a corner, they must either now jump on he bandwagon or they will shut up.:)
 
In general, successful artists are always in essence being "used" for someone else's success, but as long as the artist gets his or her due, it's not really a problem.
 
Datsymay said:
I was reading a thread on a message board when the thought came to mind. It is no secret that the music industry is in the doldrums right now. Music sales are at an all time low' There has been nobody creating excitement in the busines for a long time now.
Is Michael being gently led back into the limelight by the music industry, with the full cooperation of the media? Is there a concerted effort by all those involved to bring him back, cause only MJ can bring back the excitement and the fun and lead people back to the music shops.
Will.I.am says in the interview in Ireland, that MJ is needed to put a jult back into the music. I don't think he just came up with that. I believe that there is a programme at work to bring MJ back, with the full cooperation of the media. What do you think?^_^
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I dont know, its something I have worried about...

if the media wanted to bring him down wouldnt this be the perfect oppurtunity to ensure they do everything they can (such as black listing) to make sure he fails?

could the same hateful media turn around and start kissing his ass again?
 
I know what you are saying Datsy but I really think that the main reason behind the positive media stuff on MJ recently is due to the fact that the album did better than expected.

One thing the media hates is to be seen to be in 'odd' with the public/public opinion. The media needs to be seen to be representing the public and/or the public views etc in order to have any sense of 'credibility'. I think the fact that T25 has done so well (to get to no. 1 in the world!!!! and also get to no. 2 in the U.S) has made/forced the media to soften their attacks on MJ. However if the album falls dramatically this week and continues to fall and if say there is no news/sight on MJ or his upcoming stuff, then rest assured the media attack will resume in full swing.

I bet Sony/BMG and MJ know this all to well hence the 'uproar' over T25 classification on Billboard album chart. I think this was also intended to keep the positive talk on T25 going and keep T25 on peeps minds so that those who didn't buy it (coz of shortage etc will have a chance to get it) etc. I also don't think that Sony/MJ will let this momentum drop, they won't give the media a chance to return to their negative ways.
 
it's a dog eat dog world.

MJ will use the media just as much as they will use him.
 
Forever_Mike said:
I think the fact that T25 has done so well (to get to no. 1 in the world!!!! and also get to no. 2 in the U.S) has made/forced the media to soften their attacks on MJ. quote]

That's just it- they've not softened their attack- they have just acrobatically twisted their words saying things like- "those were the most magical times in his career"- he's still "W@#ko J@#ko"
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I agree something is needed because there's no one artist bringing people to the stores (or download sites) to buy records. However, I don't really think the music industry, or critics, think that Michael will somehow magically save the day or whatnot.
 
they certainly need him as we do..but they won't be able to use him up cus he's def coming from a good place. he's lasted this long and his sound is still fresh..

go MJ!:cool:

i'm not gunna lie and hope for benefits to go to those who think they're lost in the middle and may be doing underhanded stuff though..
 
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Conspiracy Theory, but then to put him back on the map??? No way.

The only reason for the press to embrace Michael again, is if it sells more than negative stories. Maybe those just wore out and they realize they need to change their tone, but still can use his name to sell.

Maybe the public too (hence what I wrote before) is tired of the negativity. They miss Michael the entertainer (though they won't admit that for sure).

The time seems right for all of this. Now... if only Michael is going with it and grab the opportunity. There are not many left I think.
 
Hoofmark said:
Conspiracy Theory, but then to put him back on the map??? No way.

The only reason for the press to embrace Michael again, is if it sells more than negative stories. Maybe those just wore out and they realize they need to change their tone, but still can use his name to sell.

Maybe the public too (hence what I wrote before) is tired of the negativity. They miss Michael the entertainer (though they won't admit that for sure).

The time seems right for all of this. Now... if only Michael is going with it and grab the opportunity. There are not many left I think.
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I like your theory as well. Maybe a bit of both, you know.
 
I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I don't think the media has any other agenda than to sell magazines, advertising time or whatever and that they do what they can to achieve that. When somebody is in fashion, they kiss that person's butt. When that person's been on the top "too" long, the public longs to see him or her torn down and the media happily complies. We've seen it so many times. Michael is just one example. Of course he has got it a hundred times worse than anybody simply because he is that much more famous and successful.

Thing is that everything that has been out of style for a certain period of time comes back in fashion eventually. It happened to Madonna and it's gonna happen to MJ. I have a feeling this is the time.
 
JudgingNoone said:
I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I don't think the media has any other agenda than to sell magazines, advertising time or whatever and that they do what they can to achieve that. When somebody is in fashion, they kiss that person's butt. When that person's been on the top "too" long, the public longs to see him or her torn down and the media happily complies. We've seen it so many times. Michael is just one example. Of course he has got it a hundred times worse than anybody simply because he is that much more famous and successful.

Thing is that everything that has been out of style for a certain period of time comes back in fashion eventually. It happened to Madonna and it's gonna happen to MJ. I have a feeling this is the time.
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That is a very valid point:punk:
 
The media is such a HUGE corporation, independent, local, national, international, then you have the different sectors, tabloid, broadsheet, radio, advertising, television, film, the list can go on forever.

For everyone to be involved in bringing him back silently would be almost be a global conspiracy. However, within Sony BMG, who have reported loss of sales recently, there could be a feeling within a few of the big shot owners that Michael is needed to bring the 'Spark' back into selling more music again. I agree with you on that point.
 
Datsymay said:
YES, you can get an Amen from me. :D
I think that the WMA and the Japanese visit cause these people to look again. MJ saved the industry 2 times before, and I believe he is called upon again to do it. I also think that it was not only the mourners at JB funeral that were listening to JB's last wish. I think the music industry were listening too.:)
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What was the JB's last wish?
 
I am with the theory of supply and demand: whatever will sell, is what the media is all about.
Of course it can be influenced by major companies having special interests ( look at comericials- they are there for a reason, public opinion is shaped and influenced by what corporations wants you to buy).
But I do think its the right time for Michae too.
 
Well, I have noticed a change in the media when they were talking about Thriller 25. However, some of the people in the media will still including the child abuse nonsense and that there were some negative articles on Mike when talking about Thriller 25.

I do not think that MJ is being used regarding the media because it would make it look like MJ just lets the media do what they do to him. I think that with the declining of music sales, regardless of the talent (or lack of talent) Mike can be the only one to bring excitement again but that is only if he wants to. We all know that he is doing a new CD, but can he try to save the music industry? You have many people downloading their music from itunes or whatever and putting them on their ipods, mp3 players, etc. Records stores are basically gone and I doubt that MJ is going to change that reality. MJ can do a lot and maybe get people back in the stores and buying the music, but times are changing and the music industry have to get with the times. Also, people can't assume that MJ is going to save the industry because many people might want to download the whole CD, esp. young people, on their ipods and mp3 players and forget about buying the music. They really might not understand the quality of getting the actual CD in their hands and maybe do not want to pay for the CD.

As for the media - they are frickle. One day MJ is "crazy", they next day he is "normal". No matter what Michael does, he is going to be loved or hated. That is the nature of the beast. MJ had to deal with the media bashing for years and he does not care if he is hated on or loved. He just do his thing. If the media praises him, that is all good. If they do not, that is their issue. The public makes the final decision and they are more important than the media. The media used to represent the public's view, but after what we have seen in this trial with the questionable behavior of the media, how the media reports the story and how the media portrays MJ, it is more of the media telling the public about MJ then the public telling the media about MJ.
 
I do think that the decline of the music industry and the - quite frankly - awful state of music at the moment is part of the reason that people seem to be so accepting of Michael all of a sudden. Everybody is starting to long for the good old days, when entertainers were magical and music was good and had some shelf life, as opposed to the blippety-blip fad songs we're getting now (yes, Souljah Boy, I'm looking at you). The press has been looking for a new King of Pop to save popular music, but nobody's turned out to be worthy of the crown. Chris Brown, Justin, Usher and the rest are ok for the teenagers but deep down, everybody knows that they're basically just lesser talented copies of Michael.

So, while I absolutely don't think Michael is being 'used' in any negative way, I'm sure people, including media persons, are starting to become aware of how much he is missed. Reading reviews and articles about T25, this has been very clear.
 
How I see it? As a blend between various factors.

Firstlly Mike won the trial.

Sony's bosses changed, Sony's politic has changed also. The partenship with Michael grew stronger and we have a more active Michael toward the bussiness -----> financial strenght.

After that he leaded a very quiet tranquile life with zero scandals.

Then we have a returning him in the US, when nobody expected him to have the courage to do it, few visits in London, one in Japan, Vegas surroundings, quiet normal ones...

The 2 brilliant photoshootings for Vogue and Ebony, and a noticeable changing in fashion from Michael's part. A happy healthy, elegantlly, sharp dressed Michael.

The Thriller25 idea and promo - with the cute mixes, shiney covers and books, the amusing glossy Thrillicious Some Life Promo...

So you can see, Mike success with Thriller 25 is not an random one, and the same is not the result of some 'good' conspiracy.... It's more like a spring wind coming from both Sony and MJ camp. The media folks need to bow down, they cannot do nothing when all these forces act armoniouslly.

Thank you for the topic, Ivy! :wub::wub:
 
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Many people have tried to exploit Michael's name and fame in many different ways, but it will never get them very far, because only Michael knows how to use the gifts that God gave him.

As for the media...

Where we are right now is where I told you in 2004 we would be once Michael is ready to roll again.

God's work is taking effect, and His plan is in operation. It's a beautiful thing to witness, isn't it?

29-06-2004, 04:40 PM

After Michael finishes his business that's dating back to 1993, he will be able to focus on getting back into the swing of things as far as his career goes. This will be the period when we will see him taking a deep breath and dusting himself off. Also, during this time period, the media will be waiting to see what Michael is going to do next. Once he makes up his mind as to what direction he wants to move in, the wheels will begin to turn again. When he gets things moving full throttle, the media will be forced to unlearn its bad habit of slandering his name for monetary gain. They won't have any choice, because Michael is going to be blowing people out of the water and silencing everyone that was criticizing him.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=90407&highlight=unlearn#post90407

We are now here in this period of time. 2008 is going to be great.

Also, don't be too concerned about Billboard USA validating Michael's talent. God is already validating it Himself. He is The One that gave it to Michael in the first place and He could care less about what Billboard thinks. Michael's music is still going to touch the world regardless, because it was designed from beauty and good intentions.
:yes:

Keep going, Michael. You have excellent backing. When you have the support of The One, you have it all. The One is the entity that created music. :flowers:
 
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AllForMJ said:
Many people have tried to exploit Michael's name and fame in many different ways, but it will never get them very far, because only Michael knows how to use the gifts that God gave him.

As for the media...

Where we are right now is where I told you in 2004 we would be once Michael was ready roll again.

God's work is taking effect, and His plan is in operation. It's a beautiful thing to witness, isn't it?

29-06-2004, 04:40 PM

After Michael finishes his business that's dating back to 1993, he will be able to focus on getting back into the swing of things as far as his career goes. This will be the period when we will see him taking a deep breath and dusting himself off. Also, during this time period, the media will be waiting to see what Michael is going to do next. Once he makes up his mind as to what direction he wants to move in, the wheels will begin to turn again. When he gets things moving full throttle, the media will be forced to unlearn its bad habit of slandering his name for monetary gain. They won't have any choice, because Michael is going to be blowing people out of the water and silencing everyone that was criticizing him.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=90407&highlight=unlearn#post90407

We are now here in this period of time.
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You never lie.:punk:
 
To put my two cents in, I think the media has a "band wagon" mentallity when it comes to pop culture. They just wait for something to happen and then they pounce on it an keep it being talked about for as long as possible. Be it good or bad, it all depends on the atmosphere in which it appears. When Mike's vibes are good again, they will give him positive feedback. That is just how it works. I think the world looks up to Michael to revive the music industry because he has a track record of being the best and he holds the title of "king". They are just looking for the "king" to lead his subjects into victory. Now that the "king's" troubles are behind him, they can see a bright future and are now willing to return him to the throne. :punk:

Ticie,
The JACKSONOLOGIST
 
I do think that Sony could be supporting MJ's return in the interest of making money of course. And a corporation like Sony is bound to have some clout with some media outlets. A little positive coverage can turn into more positive coverage due to the bandwagon phenomenon and a public that often longs to accept Michael again (you guys might remember that we had a similar positive atmosphere right after the Bashir documentary aired and lots of people were sympathizing with Michael). So I can see how a momentum can get going. But I agree with what others said about the media: they will focus on what sells. Michael Jackson at his best will be sensational and will sell, but the slightest negative distraction and they will sensationalize that and run with it.
 
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