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MJsPYT1 said:
I guess she is making the music that she feels she wants to make, which is probably the best way to make music. Its hard to make other ppl believe in it if you dont like it or believe it yourself.
She's probably singing what she likes and wants to sing. Whether or not it sells a billion copies is another story. If she chooses to make different music, then fine.
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Good point, except when the artist is relying on someone else to spend their money to promote their music, the invester will want return on their investment, so they want to know that the music will sell. I suppose in Janet's case the music isn't selling so the investors have cut their losses and pull the plug.
 
i think its partly the record company, and societies view on things, such as age, sex and colour (i am sad to say). I think that the industry is actually harming its self in the long term as if they stifle creativity nothing new and big will come along, like with the revolution that MJ made with thriller and actually becoming bigger as an adult star from being a child star. As for Janet, i do think that she is extremely angry at her treatment from her label but i also think she should come out with something more educational and edgy such as Rhythm Nation as I think this would separate her from other artists and entice a much wider base of people to become interested with her.
 
emwill02 said:
i think its partly the record company, and societies view on things, such as age, sex and colour (i am sad to say). I think that the industry is actually harming its self in the long term as if they stifle creativity nothing new and big will come along, like with the revolution that MJ made with thriller and actually becoming bigger as an adult star from being a child star. As for Janet, i do think that she is extremely angry at her treatment from her label but i also think she should come out with something more educational and edgy such as Rhythm Nation as I think this would separate her from other artists and entice a much wider base of people to become interested with her.
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You got some very good points there, but don't forget that MJ did a lot of fighting with his record company to get what he wanted, and he knew what he wanted. When they decided that they didn't want to release Thriller, MJ decided that he would. He paid for the video himself and now look how it has become a monster. I think the problem with Janet, though is that her fans are not buying. Less that 400 000 americans have bought her album in 15 weeks. That is a long time and Madonna is about to overtake MJ and is pushing close to 2 mil in half that time.
 
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arXter said:
i'm gobsmacked at how most keep going on about the sex image when my only interest in Janet arose from just good music, writing and coproductions that wouldn't have come to fruition with anyone else.

you say it's unfair, so you acknowledge that there is no problem in her singing about this stuff at her age - which i agree with, since Mike done the same. but your criticisms are of how she succeeds in a business that you know very well is already at a creative blunder. she's been doing this for a long time and shouldn't have to change to suit the labels' idea of what the 'masses' want - this is part of the real problem of today's business, imo. this is also part of who she is - should Mike stop singing about injustice, children and world peace just because most aren't interested in hearing it?

it's too superficial to only look at image and how artists market themselves (and hence how they succeed financially). she is more than that and surprised me with her new album because of how good it turned out to be compared to her previous artistic and commercial flops in the last decade.
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Well you're right in saying I feel it's unfair. I don't personally care at all about what Janet sings or writes about. She could write about doing it with a llama and I wouldn't care. And that shouldn't be what determines her commercial success, I agree. I'm just pointing out the reasons for why she's been experiencing so much trouble as of late. People would rather see a 20 something year old sing about those subjects then Janet, and that's where her problem is arising from. That and, because she isn't a strong vocalist and her dancing to me has never been anything many other girls couldn't themselves do, she has nothing to really fall back on. Unless she decides to change her direction completely, her music career is floundering and that's just a statistical fact. She had some really good songs back in the day, fun songs and songs that people could have fun with. And her age and look sort of made that good time association with her possible. And of course she had some great messege songs as well. Now that she's older though, and it is unfair, but it's the way it is, people aren't so interested. If she was really exceptionally talented in any one area, I think she would still be having success.
 
This might be way off topic now but just for the record Janet Jackson is sexier than most women half her age. If people are bringing up the sex appeal and her being too old for that... give me a bloody break. A woman does not cease to be sexy at 40 just because she is 40.
She might not be what the teenage boys lust after but there are plenty enough people out there who would strongly disagree with anyone saying she is less sexy now as a 40 year old woman than when she was a 20 year old woman. I think she is more so. Mariah is (just looked this up) 2 years younger and is still sexy.. people get far too caught up on age.

The rest of the topic I don't know enough about to comment on. I don't know the politics behind why one song will get more airplay than another when they have equal or similar appeal. I do know that I enjoy the album as much as others of hers.
 
so whats dupris role in the label? hardly looks good if this has happened and hs high ranking.guess as not high ranking as he thought? at the end of the day an album wont sell unless it gets promo and ppl know it excists.doesnt matter how good it is if ppl dontget to hear it.ontop of alot of ppl walking away from buying janets last few releases for whatever reason and her not having a strong fanbase (in europe) sums up what has happened.

shes had about as much luck as mj lately and the longer if gets left for both of the them to come back the harder its gonna be especially for janet with no strong fanbase
 
Going by LA Reid's history, none of this is really surprising. Same story different artist. I hope her tour does well so she can show all those in the indsurty that she still has a strong fanbase.
 
[This might be way off topic now but just for the record Janet Jackson is sexier than most women half her age. If people are bringing up the sex appeal and her being too old for that... give me a bloody break. A woman does not cease to be sexy at 40 just because she is 40.
She might not be what the teenage boys lust after but there are plenty enough people out there who would strongly disagree with anyone saying she is less sexy now as a 40 year old woman than when she was a 20 year old woman. I think she is more so. Mariah is (just looked this up) 2 years younger and is still sexy.. people get far too caught up on age.

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i dont think anyones sayign that. heck janet is one sexy lady and im a straight female i just think alot of ppl are tired of the songs she sings ie all about sex and its not in a classy way but sleezy its put alot of ppl off who wouldnt go out and buy her albums regardless because they are big fans but puts the general buyer off ie mj fans on here
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ah I see. I didn't read the entire thread just someone had mentioned something along the lines of why would people buy her being sexy at 40 when there are plenty of 20 year olds who are in the music industry who are being sexy as well implying that woman cease to be sexy at a certain age, or less sexy than their younger counterparts when I could easily see the opposite being the case. It's all perspective. Maybe if I was 17 I would think differently.
 
Ape said:
ah I see. I didn't read the entire thread just someone had mentioned something along the lines of why would people buy her being sexy at 40 when there are plenty of 20 year olds who are in the music industry who are being sexy as well implying that woman cease to be sexy at a certain age, or less sexy than their younger counterparts when I could easily see the opposite being the case. It's all perspective. Maybe if I was 17 I would think differently.
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:rofl: A 17 year old is looking at her momma being sexy and she wont like it one bit.:D
 
I'm not saying Janet isn't as sexy as girls half her age. I'm just saying that, as a general perception, a lot of people would pass over Janet for Ciera or whoever based simply on age and similar abilities offered.
 
wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
If she was really exceptionally talented in any one area, I think she would still be having success.
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i wouldn't go as far as saying she's exceptionally talented, although even the above remark wouldn't quite fit in terms of sustaining success - (almost) everyone declines in relative commercial success with newer material, even geniuses like Stevie and Mike - especially when your promotion and marketing engine isn't quite working, or is just virtually nonexistent as in this case. (just see how well her tours will do)

but to keep a perspective on why i admire some of her work, i think her shared achievements with Jam and Lewis have no doubt reached Pop-R&B greatness.
 
but to keep a perspective on why i admire some of her work, i think her shared achievements with Jam and Lewis have no doubt reached Pop-R&B greatness
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very true ...........
 
well she needs jimmy and terry back..instead of letting that ant lookin boyfriend of hers turn her in2 some 18yr old pop girl. My mother was probably the biggest JANET fan i know and she was very upset with the last album and even this 1. Like most of her older fans say they want Janet back, she needs 2 stay true 2 herself and her craft. Byt hey i guess...she better stick 2 live performances,, cuz clearly album sells arent doin her any justice.
 
Roxanne said:
depressed because she named one of her songs the same as her brothers song ? wow
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And she didn't even write the fucking song... someone else wrote it and obviously named it like that! So were's the big deal?
 
arXter said:
should Mike stop singing about injustice, children and world peace just because most aren't interested in hearing it?
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with Michael this stuff, have been his logo, he done it from the start and forever.
With Janet, she was not doing this at first, she basically became over sexualized with the 2000ds, she had other stuff to talk about before. She used to be a lot like Michael at first, if you go back in time and watch her old reports, interviews and videos from the RN era, she is just such a Michael, exept the fact that it is a woman, that what differed her from him. And she was too about charities and world peace, and injustice with this album, it just obviously didn't become her logo, like with Michael, but she still had things to talk about, like with TVR, I remember how the promo of it was all about her depression, she was talking about it alot at the time. But than she seemed, not to have a lot, than came the era of her talking about sex more, and it developed since, it's not just her music, it is her photoshoots, and interviews too. Janet has never been like that before, she was doing such things occasionally, and it was a big deal at the time, but now she did it left and right. She never used to talk about what vibrators she uses and what size of penis she likes, in the same time when she went to Tyra show, and Tyra asked her about private things, she acted all emmbaressed, when number of days prior, she openaly spoke about this in a magazine interview.
Gosh I miss them good old days.
 
arXter said:
i wouldn't go as far as saying she's exceptionally talented, although even the above remark wouldn't quite fit in terms of sustaining success - (almost) everyone declines in relative commercial success with newer material, even geniuses like Stevie and Mike - especially when your promotion and marketing engine isn't quite working, or is just virtually nonexistent as in this case. (just see how well her tours will do)

but to keep a perspective on why i admire some of her work, i think her shared achievements with Jam and Lewis have no doubt reached Pop-R&B greatness.
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That's true. But her last several albums haven't done well on any commercial level, while someone like Michael, while the media will call it a flop, still sells more then today's hottest stars, i.e. Justin Timberlake.
 
Remyisme said:
with Michael this stuff, have been his logo, he done it from the start and forever.
With Janet, she was not doing this at first, she basically became over sexualized with the 2000ds,
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not at all - Mike milked his stuff in HIStory and Janet in TVR - both released around the same period. and both done it way before that..
 
Even if I´m sure the Super Bowl thing had an effect still her sales has fallen a lot more in Europe than in America so I sometimes think people overrate the effect that actually had. I do think she should change her image and not try to be so sexy all the time and do some more "deep" songs (Madonna for example has had so many different images) and imo if she is touring in september it would have been smarter to wait and release the album in august, just a few weeks before the tour starts, and try to keep the sales up that way. She could have still prepered the tour now and just waited to release the album even if it was finished and then gotten free promotion because of the tour when she actually released it. Ofcourse it is so easy to say this now afterwards but I wish her the best and hope everything works out for her. I wish her good luck with the tour.
 
well she needs jimmy and terry back..instead of letting that ant lookin boyfriend of hers turn her in2 some 18yr old pop girl. My mother was probably the biggest JANET fan i know and she was very upset with the last album and even this 1. Like most of her older fans say they want Janet back, she needs 2 stay true 2 herself and her craft. Byt hey i guess...she better stick 2 live performances,, cuz clearly album sells arent doin her any justice.
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I agree with what you stated. (With the exception of the boyfriend comment. LOL. You are not right, but he does look funny) I was listening to the radio this past Friday and the dj even stated that Janet should bring Terry and Jimmy back. I was at the hair salon last weekend and the woman who was doing my hair stated that she wants to go to Janet's tour when she comes to Philly on Oct. 2nd because she just wants to hear the old songs. I feel like this whole thing that is going on with Janet is unfourtante (sp) but it tells you not to change something that already works. Heck, I am now starting to believe that maybe it would be good to let Quincy and Mike work again on a few new songs on the new CD. All this drama that Janet is going through, L.A. Reid is kinda known for but Janet is a better artist than what she has been putting out lately. I listened to some songs on the new CD, and I really did not understand the whole point of her doing the type of songs that she has been doing. Janet used to write her songs and this time around, she let others, including her nephew, Taj, write the songs. Then, the sexy type songs, Janet can them, but almost every song? And you guys can say that I am trippin' but if you ever hear the song, "Displine" - she is too damn old to be singing those types of songs. Heck, I wouldn't mind if Mike sang that song to me, (LOL) but still, come on Janet, end it with the really sexually charged nasty songs.

she basically became over sexualized with the 2000
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No, tbh, she started singing those really over sexualized and the remix type of songs during the TVR. Now, THOSE SONGS were not only mind blowing, they were revealing. It confirmed all of those rumors about Janet and her dancers. Just saying.

I sometimes think people overrate the effect that actually had
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I believe that as well, If you read her interview with Parade magazine, the writer was trying to imply that she sold more records than her brother. Now, THAT is funny. LOL.

To the poster above me: thanks.
 
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wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
It's an age thing with Janet, unfortunately. She doesn't have the talent to last. A lot of her success came from fun songs and an at first cutsy image, turned sex symbol. Now that she's middle aged, people aren't going to be looking at her in the same way. They can't see her as that fun, cute, sexy girl that you can boggie down with or lust after. They see her as a 40 year old woman, and without much talent in the bank, she can't get passed that surface appeal, because that's all there really is to her.

Now I'm going to run away from this thread while I get verbally assaulted by the Janet fans...
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you are one point!
 
she stopped singing and kept on doing the same ole song and album and never switched up and since she was only as good as the Production she got then her limitations are really running overflow now.

not much talent to begin with but at least she played the game the right way on the way to a comeback.
 
I agree 100% with wannabestartinsomethin21. She can sing about sex, but the public does not want to hear her doing it. They would prefer a younger artists. Janet does not have much to fall back on except her acting. She does not have a strong voice, plus she is highly choreographed. Compare her voice to Beyonce's, for instance...get my point. She needs to either change the direction of her music or go back into acting.
 
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Bee said:
No, tbh, she started singing those really over sexualized and the remix type of songs during the TVR. Now, THOSE SONGS were not only mind blowing, they were revealing. It confirmed all of those rumors about Janet and her dancers. Just saying.
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Well I don't know, but as far as i remember before, every album she used to do was about something. Like Control, was about taking control of her life, as far as I can see, it was the same reason Michael done Bad. And RN was about the world and the children and the Janet album was about her being her and not just a Jackson and breaking out and growing up and doing what she wants.
She started to sing sexual stuff already than but it wasn't like now. And than was TVR when I remember how GTIG got promoted and TA. And the videos, how she spoke about them, GTIG the "slegs blinkis" sign with a bottle breaking on it, TA with it's massage about friends died from aids, and yes, there was Rope burn.
But as far as I saw it and herd thing, the album came from her depressionand issues as she said herself.
And after wards AFY that came out 2001 it felt to me, there is no theme to this album, and there were those baby making songs, and since after that she just did so much sex songs, and one album after another, one after another, I feel like she doesn't have anymore what she had.
And there are no themes to he albums but sex.
A song here and there would be good, but what happened to other staff?
 
OK, I saw this at GrapeJuice.net:

From Janet-Xone.com -

Good day, Janet fans.

This post is intended to put some fact - from inside Janet's camp - to the rumor mill around here. The facts do not change the current situation, but they put truth to the stories that have been floating around this forum.

Janet wanted Luv to be the second single. LA Reid wanted Rock With U to be the next single. Obviously, we've seen how this conflict affected the post-album release promotion, and Janet has now explained the results of this conflict. End of story. The rest is history.

Have a good day!
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Your thoughts?
 
Janet's last couple of albums have just not been that good. She has done much better. Also music fans want real music again, you hear them all saying it now. Concerts are booming because people want to listen to great music, Neil Diamond, Paul Simon, Prince, Celine Dion, etc are all out on tour. People want music again. Janet hasn't realised that yet. Michael on the other hand does and has commented on it. He is striving no doubt to achieve that for his new music. The industry is changing and all people want is good music, they are tired of throw away crap. There is good music here and there and you see people reaching out for that with album sales. But the industry as a whole has lost that point. Record companies are being run by finanical people now that haven't got a clue about music. They are getting rid of record stores and catering for the really young and just downloads. You can't have music if the artists can't get paid and make a living as they should for the music they create. I want to buy my music in a record store, that is what I love to do. It is the experience of it. Something will give in the music business eventually.
 
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