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Was Michael Jackson really murdered? Who did it? Let's talk about it

You are all right, he looks good in the pics. He looks slimmer in the rehearsal pic, but of course he would as he was working on the shows and getting fit for them. I don't believe a word the media says and I just don't know what to believe.
 
HemlockDevi said:
This is something I've missed or do not understand. What is the secret or big deal about the AEG contract?





IMO

I think he was being slowly poisoned; once Kai was out of their way.
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Actually, what I'm learning from a few fans who know and speak to certain family members is this: They (Jackson Family) feared MJ was being poisoned by his main care taker after he left for bahrain back in 2005 after the trial. It was during that time, they feared the most about his health as well as a "take over".
In this person's presence MJ mainly drank some kind of liquid vitamin drink, when I would read about him drinking this during the trial, I just thought all the stress took away his apetite, now in the aftermath of his death, more and more things are making clear sense as it should-unfortunetely.
 
I might sound crazy but I believe their are dark forces surrounding this investigation.

Just like in the true story of Emily Rose, the priest admitted their were dark forces surrounding his trial, trying to hide the truth and keep him in jail. They were working in sinister and secret ways, even through people.
 
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kasume said:
I might sound crazy but I believe their are dark forces surrounding this investigation.

Just like in the true story of Emily Rose, the priest admitted their were dark forces surrounding his trial, trying to hide the truth and keep him in jail. They were working in sinister and secret ways, even through people.
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If you're crazy, then I'm crazy, because I feel the same way. Something is not right. :mello:
 
they could have dumbed him down with medication so that he would then get injected.

I do not believe at all that he would do anything to potentially put his childrens lives into that of having no parent.

he was being manipulated, drugged with stuff he thought was something else and a whole scene set up at the end to make him out to be something he wasnt

yep he had aches and pains and took medication for that - but we could all set someone up to look something they aint especially when nothing he did was direct and always via third parties

I believe Mark Lester when he says about trying to give MJ acupuncture and him being scared I BELEIVE MARK LESTER was telling us something indirectly via this comment......
 
I always believed there were dark forces where troubles with MJ were concerned. That is why I always speak of a smart, powerful friend being in his corner, because it will take strong good forces to beat the dark ones. Truly only the Almighty God and his servants can break these walls.
 
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Let me Explain how I beleive Michael Jackson was Murdered, its Graphic so dont read if that type things bothers you but his death was GRAPHIC and GRUESOME:


Michael entered his AEG RENTAL home early hours of June 25, 2009, Michael was very tired and just wanted to check on his children and go to SLEEP without DRUGs by the way, but Michael was Intercepted before he got to his Childrens Rooms (thats KIDNAPPED right thurr), something was placed over his face and he was temporarily unconscious, Michael was then taken to his bedroom where the Anestheic IV was waiting and where he regain consciouness long enough for them to tell him what they where doing and crucify him more with their taunts its no telling who all was in that room witnessing Michael Jackson's Murder he was TORTURED before he died. I am starting to believe that the reason Cherylnn came with her NEEDED TO SLEEP story is "they got scarred about finding the Propofol in his System" and needed to explain it so they jumped ahead and threw it out there, but how it was used was not for sleep but sustain life, they needed it to immobilize him and sustain his life for HOURS, I believe why he ended up in Dr. Murray bedroom is when they where Killing Michael which took Hours, they Undress Michael completely, cut his hair for TOxICOLOGY to not find out that HE WAS NOT ABusiNG DRUGS in his HAIR STRANDS, and he was loosing Body Fluids so they needed to change/REPLACED His Linen and/or MATTRESS, blood drops on linen they had alot of cleaning up to do. Michael Jackson died a Horrible Death they turned his Beautiful Bedroom into a Hospital Operating Room, then slowly while they kept him on this IV to keep him out they didnt care about stopping it, because he is a KIDNAPPED VICTIM now and all this is being done against his Will, but Michael goes in out out of CARDIAC ARREST SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE HE DIES, and they would resusciate him over and over with other heart drugs to bring him back because they needed his time of death closer to Noon and they would all be gone by then and they also needed to slowly inject him all over his body with Demerol, Morphine, and all manner of DRUGS of their CHOSING that they had gotten using his Fictational Names over the last year and stage the house with these drugs, they watch too much TV and from Listening to Anna Nicole's Murderers they thought they had everything taken care of. THe ONLY reason they used the PROPOFOL was to SUsTAIN his LIFE and let him LINGER BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH FOR HOURS, Michael didnt NEED ANYTHING TO HELP HIM SLEEP. They did SURGERY on MICHAEL and he died a HORRIBLE DEATH and THEY FILMED it and think its FUNNY, but GOD and Michael and those who Truly Love Michael will have The LAST LAUGH. Michael Jackson was dead before 10am or long before that. God Bless Your Soul Michael Jackson. They wouldnt even let him see his kids one more time to kiss them GoodNite! ! !
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How can they cut his hair , if we saw his curls on the very last picture taken of him
 
LisaB said:
I always believed there were dark forces where troubles with MJ were concerned. That is why I always speak of a smart, powerful friend being in his corner, because it will take strong good forces to beat the dark ones. Truly only the Almighty God and his servants can break these walls.
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not just a strong powerful friend, but his fans too. We are a greatly lit force that has always been with him.

and i hope eveyone realizes this is no movie, or past story. this is the real thing happening right now. the're revolving around this investigation just as we speak.
 
kasume said:
I might sound crazy but I believe their are dark forces surrounding this investigation.

Just like in the true story of Emily Rose, the priest admitted their were dark forces surrounding his trial, trying to hide the truth and keep him in jail. They were working in sinister and secret ways, even through people.
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God doesn't like ugly. The heffas who killed MJ are gonna suffer, they will die a slow and painful death. They will eventually receive their blood money but I guarantee you one thing: they will never have peace.
 
their just trying to destroy his image in every way possible.

I believe Michael had all his hair. It looked all natural.
 
I'd accepted that it was accidental after reading so much articles and doing my own research. Michael had been taking a lot of precriptions drugs to help him with so much problems like axiety, depression and sleep problems. I understand, his life was very difficult to bear. But the worst thing is that when he seek for help the doctors just gave him drugs and he takes it. The doctors indroduced him powerful medicine. Note how different people distinguish Medicine with Drugs, they are exacally the same thing, but medicine is define as a subtance to cure your medical problems while drugs are dangerous subtance that can harm your body.
It's very common in America, precription drugs are the no.1 prescribe drug and American's spent more that 3 billion on it every year!

I read that Michael was intruduced to Propofol while he is touring in Germany some years ago. He was confident it using it since the doctor told him it's save as long there is a doctor monitoring it. Michael mistake was really trusting the doctors too much! But another thing is that he is Michael Jackson, so the doctors just use him to make money and give him expensive and powerful drugs and never care about the concequences and the danger of the drug and his life.

Dr. Murray is only one of them, there are many doctors who also played there part in his prescription drugs abuse. Why isn't Murray in jail yet? I don't understand! He had injected so much propofol into his system and he knows it's lethal! Gosh...this is just so sad. Drives me crazy all the time I think of it!
 
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There are way too many people acting phony in this investigation for it to be accidental. And too many suspicious circumstances for it to be accidental.

To me, the most suspicous circumstance is that it happened exactly one week before he was to leave for London, just three weeks before the first concert.

Knowing how dangerous this drug is, any human being who knows about this drug, they don't have to be a doctor, should know well enough to stay by the patient's side every second. When I saw propofol administered on tv, five doctors had to monitor one person for God's sake!

This is no accident. It's a set up, an intelligently planned murder.

Hell no, I don't believe the media, four years ago they were calling him a freak pedophile and nothing more. Why would I believe them now?????
 
kasume said:
There are way too many people acting phony in this investigation for it to be accidental. And too many suspicious circumstances for it to be accidental.

To me, the most suspicous circumstance is that it happened exactly one week before he was to leave for London, just three weeks before the first concert.

Knowing how dangerous this drug is, any human being who knows about this drug, they don't have to be a doctor, should know well enough to stay by the patient's side every second. When I saw propofol administered on tv, five doctors had to monitor one person for God's sake!

This is no accident. It's a set up, an intelligently planned murder.

Hell no, I don't believe the media, four years ago they were calling him a freak pedophile and nothing more. Why would I believe them now?????
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Exactly
 
HemlockDevi said:
This is something I've missed or do not understand. What is the secret or big deal about the AEG contract?





IMO

I think he was being slowly poisoned; once Kai was out of their way.
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That's exactly what I was thinking but I just didn't want to say it. Its just a hunch. But I can't believe that michael was healthy in then in a matter of 3 weeks just deteriorated to point of kai saying he was slower. NO:no:. Also when kai stated that murry would get michael's breakfast that didn't sit to well with me. Um why did he need to get michael's breakfast??
 
Kizmic said:
Who fired her? Thome or MJ?
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I have no idea!

Gaiaschild said:
True and he was actually thinner when he was younger and did thriller etc so the being too thin is stupid.
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Agreed! Which I don't see why so many ppl keep bring up the fact that he was thin. He's been thin all of his life and now all of a sudden he's thin but an unhealty thin. Um yeah ok.:doh: Also There is no point in to keep stating he was thin because michael being thin isn't what killed Him. His weight is not why he is no longer here with us.
Moddie777 said:
Actually, what I'm learning from a few fans who know and speak to certain family members is this: They (Jackson Family) feared MJ was being poisoned by his main care taker after he left for bahrain back in 2005 after the trial. It was during that time, they feared the most about his health as well as a "take over".
In this person's presence MJ mainly drank some kind of liquid vitamin drink, when I would read about him drinking this during the trial, I just thought all the stress took away his apetite, now in the aftermath of his death, more and more things are making clear sense as it should-unfortunetely.
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This would go long with what D.Gregory stated when he went and saw michael during the trial and how michael wasn't eat or drinking was so dehydrated that DG had them take him to a hospital. DG also said that michael told him "they are trying to kill me"
kasume said:
There are way too many people acting phony in this investigation for it to be accidental. And too many suspicious circumstances for it to be accidental.

To me, the most suspicous circumstance is that it happened exactly one week before he was to leave for London, just three weeks before the first concert.

Knowing how dangerous this drug is, any human being who knows about this drug, they don't have to be a doctor, should know well enough to stay by the patient's side every second. When I saw propofol administered on tv, five doctors had to monitor one person for God's sake!

This is no accident. It's a set up, an intelligently planned murder.

Hell no, I don't believe the media, four years ago they were calling him a freak pedophile and nothing more. Why would I believe them now?????
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Exactly. There are to many questionable things that happen all the way from his healthy to the number of shows he WANTed to do and way to many extremely different stories of michael's final days. That's not accidently nor is the connection and conflict of interest connections of all the top ppl surround michael in his last days an accident.
 
Personally I dont think he actually knew the stuff he was receiving. If I wanted to sleep and the doc said 'have this' then I would presume the doc knows what they are doing and take it.

MJ primarily was a father - he would never do anything to leave his children without the person they only had and knew.

Therefore if he was knowingly taking the anaesthetic he WOULD have had the professional equipment needed to make it safe and associated with its use.

The press are assuming all the drugs under different names are of MJs making and request but perhaps they are of the doctors making under the direction of a higher authority.

Perhaps the higher authority had no intention of death but what they were doing was controlling and manipulating by whatever means they could.

He was a dad, the only person in the kids lives. The pressure on him was greater to stay healthy for his kids.
 
pamiiee said:
The press are assuming all the drugs under different names are of MJs making and request but perhaps they are of the doctors making under the direction of a higher authority.

Perhaps the higher authority had no intention of death but what they were doing was controlling and manipulating by whatever means they could.
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You have a very good point there.

But then Michael had a 100,000 bill at the local clinic in just a very short time, the clinic we saw him go into every week or two. Wouldn't Michael think something is not right with the bill? Maybe they are charging to much? Or perscribing him whatever amount so they can get money?

Michael didn't look like a drug addict. Drug addicts don't seem as stable as him and don't do so well at raising children to be bright as Paris, Prince and Blanket are.
 
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I'm afraid that the 'officials' going to say that 'MJ died of drug overdose'. That's what they've been preparing. They want to look MJ as a drug junkie. Jackson family disappointed with the second autopsy result. This doctor Murray could simply go to jail for negligence. If he doesn't I will be so devastated than MJ's death. ...too sad and betrayal.
 
kasume said:
You have a very good point there.

But then Michael had a 100,000 bill at the local clinic in just a very short time, the clinic we saw him go into every week or two. Wouldn't Michael think something is not right with the bill? Maybe they are charging to much? Or perscribing him whatever amount so they can get money?

Michael didn't look like a drug addict. Drug addicts don't seem as stable as him and don't do so well at raising children to be bright as Paris, Prince and Blanket are.
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I agree. Michael would have questioned the bill if it was wrong. Obviously he's well known for being a talented individual and a good businessman himself. Surely he wouldn't have taken something if he didn't know what it was?? There's no way he would have put himself at risk like that when he had his kids there. I'm thinking that it was negligence, and accidental overdose due to overprescription.
 
About the $100,000 perscription bill, my theory is this: I believe Michael's Team may not have told him the debt was unpaid, This way with them poisoning him and forcing drugs on him to manipulate and take over his estate; he would in the end look exactly how they want him to look- Like a drug addict who didn't care about nothing but the next high.

They knew what they were doing and how they wanted to paint a negative drug addictive picture of Michael for their own gain.

Handlers of celebrities purposely withhold pertinent info from their employers all the time and this wouldn't be the first time this has happened in Michael's world.
 
Moddie777 said:
About the $100,000 perscription bill, my theory is this: I believe Michael's Team may not have told him the debt was unpaid, This way with them poisoning him and forcing drugs on him to manipulate and take over his estate; he would in the end look exactly how they want him to look- Like a drug addict who didn't care about nothing but the next high.

They knew what they were doing and how they wanted to paint a negative drug addictive picture of Michael for their own gain.

Handlers of celebrities purposely withhold pertinent info from their employers all the time and this wouldn't be the first time this has happened in Michael's world.
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I understood that this bill was built up over quite a while and was not just for Michael.
 
AmberR said:
I'm afraid that the 'officials' going to say that 'MJ died of drug overdose'. That's what they've been preparing. They want to look MJ as a drug junkie. Jackson family disappointed with the second autopsy result. This doctor Murray could simply go to jail for negligence. If he doesn't I will be so devastated than MJ's death. ...too sad and betrayal.
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The Jacksons' are not disappointed with there results.The have said that after the second autopsy were done that they believe it was murder. This to me proves as originally stated by the LA county medical(06/25/09) that the body was clean. It was alter when the media claimed "needle marks" and a "skeletal frame"; then after the nurses performance everyone found and began talking about "drug abuse."
 
HemlockDevi said:
It was alter when the media claimed "needle marks" and a "skeletal frame"; then after the nurses performance everyone found and began talking about "drug abuse."
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These needle marks..couldn't doctors tell they were their during the physical? But I guess, their was nothing they could really do about it. Yeah, he had needle marks, but he was healthy even with them.

But not only Michael's perfomances are over the top. But stories about him are over the top too. I don't believe the skeletal frame, he was even skinnier in his thriller days. It's just the type of body he has. Many other people I know are skinny as him. Michael Jackson at 50 years old, still can't be fit and fine?? No, either he has to be like every other 50 year old man or we'll lable him a skeleton instead. Idiots...

And about the needle marks...if they would go so far to call him a drug addict, then they could easily lie and say "many" needle marks were found.

It's not that I can't believe any of this. It's just that I'm hearing all this from the same source, the media, which labeled him a freak pedophile just four years ago.
 
I believe it was all Dr. Murray's fault that MJ died. No one else is being raided and we don't even see anyone else getting subpeonas anymore.

I also don't believe MJ was an addict when he died, maybe a long time ago but not recently. The propofol wouldn't provide regenerative sleep but it would provide rest for his body and relief from the stresses he was facing. Maybe not enough but something after all.
 
No, it was not just Murray's fault. One person alone cannot bring MJ down. And plus, their are too many people acting wierd in this investigation to be not involved in some way. Dr. Kleine for instance and that Nurse Lee. And many others.
 
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