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I hope it's still ongoing. Because so far they have the wrong person, they only have the fall guy/scapegoat. That's what I truley (sp?) believe. I just hope that they are investigating people who are not just doctors. And I hope that they are not only investigating Murray.
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My guess is that so far they are investigating just Murray. If Murray will walk away free it will be over. If Murray will be charged with second degree murder, so then he might open his mouth and say who told him to kill Michael if there was a conspiracy, which I believe.
But the problem is that they will do anything possible not to charge Murray with anything serious.
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If that is only who they are investigating, then I would like to :doh: them right across the head.
But I seriously think they are investigating more people. There is more to this intentional murder than Murray....
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I mean Murray is the main figure. Klein and others are just something to put in file?
I do not think they would ever investigate ppl from AEG, Tohme, all those connections with Colony Capital, estate , 50 shows etc till something will come out from Murray and only then they will investigate otheres. As far as I know the police just look at facts and they will take everything simple cuz the facts are: MJ died, Murray was the one who were there. That's all.
But it feels like Murray is not going to say anything because:
a.he will walk away free
b.he will have a car accident some day, if he will want to say something
Maybe I am wrong. It is just my assumptions.... again..... I just do not LAPD to drop this case.
I hope and pray that the family will look for justice for Michael in case if nobody will be charged.
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But those aren't the only facts. That isn't all. There are MANY more facts. Such as..
1) Dr. Thome Thome was Michael's manager.
2) Michael feared Thome.
3) Michael sent a letter firing Thome.
4) Thome was still at the announcement of Michael's death.
6) Lee has told contradicting stories.
7) Kleine is capable of lying about Michael. (that peeing in a cup)
The list goes on.
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I agree with you that there are many facts. But I afraid that do not look at Thome because this all related to finance. If LAPD want to drop this case they will try NOT to look at those important facts because it all will link to MJ contract with AEG, Neverland. They will look at Murray and propofol injection only hoping that all of this will end with Murray.This is how I see cuz I cannot trust LAPD.
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Dear Asedora,
As long as we don't know what they've got from investigating Alberto Alvarez (the security guy who placed the 911 call) and Michael Amir - they were both begging to be interviewed according to sources- I don't lose this tiny hope that they may have something on AEG/Tohme/CC.
God is on the side of justice!
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Yes, I think the LAPD KNOW that it is more than Murray's fault. And I think that is one of the reasons it is taking so long. Six months investigating on just one person? There has to be more being investigated than just one person.
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Good point.
I think It took so long, because they discovered something more than Murray`s fault.
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I really hope so too but I do not trust LAPD.
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Neither do I! They could be bought off to "cover" for people just like anyone else!
These people have power and money and they control what goes on that way. Sad fact of life but it is a fact!
I am hoping the Jackson's have brought in a P.I. to do some investigating!
There is much evidence that Kurt Cobain was murdered yet the cops just covered it and closed the case as a suicide. A P.I. spent tons of his own money investigating that case and he tried to get them to open the case as a murder. He wrote a book with all the evidence he had, it is quite compelling!
Cops do not do the right thing just because they are cops. Especially if doing the right thing makes them look bad!
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In the latter part of Michael Jackson's life, he grew not to trust Michael Amir aka B. Michael.
Nobody close to the situation who know Michael Amir and who are also seeking Justice for our Michael's death will be holding their breath that anything Michael Amir has said officially will be trustworthy.
I don't know the details of why MJ came not to trust this young man, all I know is: Michael told family members this in the last year or so of his life...
The Healer
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When did he say that???? omg
So many unbelivable and strange things......
So many unbelivable and strange things......
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where did you hear that? is there a video or article of him saying that?
im very curious. and what year did he say that?
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I hope they didnt botch it as this suggests:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOvYqBXg2u8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOvYqBXg2u8
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Thank you for the video, Dangerous.
" Well, in terms of the filing of the charges, like we spoke last time,
there need to be a determination of a homicide from the coroner's
office, and that's been done. So, everyone is waiting to see what the
next level is. What apparently has kind of surfaced from some internal
sources is .....the target crime unit, the district attorney's office, have
been handling the investigation with LAPD. They are now moving this
investigation with the major crimes unit of the district attorney's office.
That's the group that handles -----, O.J Simpsom, the high profile cases.
What apparently is happening is that LAPD messed up this investigation
in a drastic way"
" Now, when you say, ' Messed up the investigation' are you talking
just at the crime scene or some other things?"
" Well, it begins at the crime scene where they apparently did not lock
it down, and they allowed movers and other people to come in and
take other things out, which could include evidence regardless of whether
it includes an item being removed, it's allowing an outside source
on to the venue, and that's not allowed, and that's going to cause a great
concern to the D.A's office because they don't want the embarrassment
of what happened during the O.J trial. The second issue is the failed to interview
key witnesses, including Michael Jackson's bodyguard, who was on the 911
call, indicating that they were trying to pump him back to life at that time, for
over two months. It took over two months for them to even set an interview
with him. Those are key points for the who, what, where, and when questions
that need to be answered, and a fresh complaint, a fresh testimony is what you
need. They don't have that anymore, and that's gonna cost a large problem."
Does it take a Poirot to interview the person who made the 911 call ?!
" Well, in terms of the filing of the charges, like we spoke last time,
there need to be a determination of a homicide from the coroner's
office, and that's been done. So, everyone is waiting to see what the
next level is. What apparently has kind of surfaced from some internal
sources is .....the target crime unit, the district attorney's office, have
been handling the investigation with LAPD. They are now moving this
investigation with the major crimes unit of the district attorney's office.
That's the group that handles -----, O.J Simpsom, the high profile cases.
What apparently is happening is that LAPD messed up this investigation
in a drastic way"
" Now, when you say, ' Messed up the investigation' are you talking
just at the crime scene or some other things?"
" Well, it begins at the crime scene where they apparently did not lock
it down, and they allowed movers and other people to come in and
take other things out, which could include evidence regardless of whether
it includes an item being removed, it's allowing an outside source
on to the venue, and that's not allowed, and that's going to cause a great
concern to the D.A's office because they don't want the embarrassment
of what happened during the O.J trial. The second issue is the failed to interview
key witnesses, including Michael Jackson's bodyguard, who was on the 911
call, indicating that they were trying to pump him back to life at that time, for
over two months. It took over two months for them to even set an interview
with him. Those are key points for the who, what, where, and when questions
that need to be answered, and a fresh complaint, a fresh testimony is what you
need. They don't have that anymore, and that's gonna cost a large problem."
Does it take a Poirot to interview the person who made the 911 call ?!
jilliebean
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Let's not say he wanted it either, because we just don't know, but according to reports of all the other medications what were given to Michael before the propofol, (if those reports are true) there is no way he was awake.
I guess my point is this. Even if Michael did use propofol, why would he be begging for it at 10 am if he had to be at rehearsal at 2, and normally would be having breakfast. I've used sleep aid to get to sleep before, but if it didn't work for some reason, I surely would not be taking it in the morning.
Also (again from reports) propofol could be difficult to detect, because it has such a short half life, but yet they found enough in his system that it seems to be the cause of death? How much did this doctor give him?
Just for the record, I don't believe that Michael did use this drug, even if he had in the past. I don't think he was awake when it was given to him. Just my opinion of course.
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It's just my opinion. I would have to know what Michael's actions were to completely disregard them, and none of us do. Almost everything we know is rumor, and I'm OK with that, but I still think about it and try to put the pieces together the best I can, and I'm entitled to my opinion.
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I respectfully disagre, I stated in the "slow propofol coma" thread why... The body develops resistance to any drug, especially to benzo's. The full explanation, incuding my experience with benzodiazepines is on the other thread.
Also, I'm speculating here, but after a sleepless night, and as Propofol is a short acting drug, he could of been thinking, help me have me just two, three or four hours of sleep, so I can perform at the rehearsal. Just my opinion too...
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I agree on this one. I've read here about the outstanding work done by fans during the trial, they played a HUGE part in all that mess, and they DID make a difference. I wish I was here at that time, but all I can say now is a big thank you from the bottom of my heart!
I think we are dealing with the same situation here. To say that the situation is out of our hands is just unacceptable from where I stand.
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at this stage all fans can go by is the reports and my murrays statements. unti a case if filed like in 03-05 and we know what we are dealing with then at this stage all u can do is use the info.sources with have.we are all speculating until charges and the prosecutions argument is stated. same as 03-05 but back then we werent waiting 6 plus months and going through reports etc. it went straight to picking apart the accusations
some fans may have important info for the lawyers like some did in 03-05 gave statements etc but probably not on the same level as the cases are very different
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That's possible, but I would guess that even if you have a tolerance to a drug that doesn't mean that the affects of the drug are any less harmful to you, I would think the risks would be greater, and I would think a doctor would know this.
I would also guess that if what Murray is saying "about Michael begging for it" is true, a doctor would know that he would not need such a large dose because of the other similar meds in his system.
I'm not a doctor and I never heard of propofol before Michael's death, so all of my thoughts are just opinion, and gut feeling.
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You are welcome. Yes, I DID do a lot during the trial. I've not revealed my name here, but a few of you know? I risked a lot, and am incredibly frustrated now.
You are SO right, it is completely unacceptable. To those who say "wait and see," I'd say you have NO understanding of the corruption that is possible in police departments. It is for the PUBLIC (that is us) to put pressure on them to keep them honest. "Wait and see" means absolutely, FECKING, NOTHING. It is passive, and not acceptable for the death of someone we loved. So for those "wait and see" people, so sorry, but STFU!
Once there are arrests (or only one?) it will become that much harder to achieve justice. . .. .
Somehow IMO it must have to do with MJ. Everything he has done publicly has been directed at embarrassing & intimidating the Jacksons, which is outrageous to do to a grieving family. Maybe it has worked though.
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damn..
....thank you for the link ........I now have no hope left that Michael will ever get the justice he so truly deserves....i am just so disgusted....I miss you Michael...and I am so sorry that this happened to you...:angel:rainny
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I know it's a question for Vic, but my guess is keep digging? Keep investigating? Keep trying to untangle the web?
Phillips, Anschutz, Tohme, not necessarily in that order... and the list goes on and on. They are all connected in mysterious ways.
Keep fighting for the truth!
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I've worked in the system before and what you say here is very true. If its something they don't care about that much anyway, unless they are pushed, they'll get lax with it. You have to make noise sometimes. I've seen this with my own 2 eyes.