Michael Jackson Death Investigation Complete (TMZ - merged)

I don´t think Michael knew it was dangerous to take propofol after he had other sedatives.IF dr says that Michael asked for it and threatened dr if he didn´t get it , I would say that Michael got strong sedatives and probably was quite dizzy at the time he got propofol.
 
I saw on TV a few days before TMZ etc started reporting the investigation complete 'news' upcoming shows on all the channels like E! about celebritys and Rx meds and they showed a clip of Michael. I found that fishy. Then a few days later we get this news. On Jan. 8th. Did anyone see this crap too?
 
This thread is a goldmine for overreactions.

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throwing in prescribed medication uh arxter??? bad guy you are!!!
talking about overreaction lol you just let my screen explode... think you've thrown too many pills... lol who's overreacting uh???
 
Now the thread is out of line. it's so hard to read athread when it is spread out too far because someone posting pics or smilies one after another like above..sry thats off topic in a way but it is very annoying.
 
As one way to get back on topic, I suggest we research the D.A. who will be prosecuting the case? Patrick Dixon was also the D.A. for the Phil Spector case. What can we find out about him? Is he tough? Is he fair? Experienced? And so on?
 
I don´t think Michael knew it was dangerous to take propofol after he had other sedatives.IF dr says that Michael asked for it and threatened dr if he didn´t get it , I would say that Michael got strong sedatives and probably was quite dizzy at the time he got propofol.

That came from the doctor's mouth. I don't believe for a second that michael begged or even asked for that drug. I honestly don't believe Michael was awake when he was given the propofol, but even if he was awake, I think it would make more sense to give up trying to get a good night's sleep (it was 10am according to the doctor) and go have breakfast/lunch with your kids before you go to rehearsal.
 
As one way to get back on topic, I suggest we research the D.A. who will be prosecuting the case? Patrick Dixon was also the D.A. for the Phil Spector case. What can we find out about him? Is he tough? Is he fair? Experienced? And so on?

Radar reports that the Head Deputy DA, Patrick Dixon, who worked on the Spector case, has been assigned to conduct the prosecution, interesting news in view of the fact no official prosecution has been ordered.
The difference between rumor and fact in this instance is that there is no case, and no basis for the massive gossip, until a prosecution is formally in process. The information so far is meaningless, until that happens.
 

Thanks for the pic. He LOOKS tough enough, and professional? What can we find out about him? What other cases has he prosecuted, and what is his success rate? Our hope for justice lies with the detectives investigating the case, with the Grand Jury who will name what charges there will be (the level of the charges), and with the DA. If this goes to trial (which I still think it won't), also our hope lies with the jury.

The first hurdles are to get an appropriate level of charges, and also to determine if Murray acted alone, or if he did not. There is not enough info for US to make that determination with certainty, but maybe the detectives have enough/know enough?

I'd also like to know who is PAYING Murray's high-powered attorney. I seriously doubt he's working for free, and Murray doesn't have any money. Soooo, who's paying?
 
Jackson doctor 'to be charged', media didn't ask official sources

Legal scuttlebutt in LA went around the world instantly about possible charges against Michael Jackson’s doctor, Conrad Murray. Less impressive is the fact that 927 news articles were produced before someone checked facts about any actual prosecution.
The theory, and at this stage it's just a theory, is that the possible charges are based on supposed breaches of standards of medical practice. Google News listed practically anything with two tin cans and a piece of string as covering the issue.
Murray denies all charges, and isn’t commenting on the rumors. The legal position is nebulous, at best, because of the medical practice issues, which require a qualified assessment before any action can take place.
The LA District Attorney’s office was said to be waiting for police to hand over the case, although this has been the case for a while now, and confirmation from official sources was lacking. The “anonymous sources” element also helped making facts hard to pin down. Nobody but Murray’s lawyer is being quoted. The only factual information from the official level about progress of this matter is that the investigation has now been completed.
Coverage has been mixed, to put it mildly. Radar reports that the Head Deputy DA, Patrick Dixon, who worked on the Spector case, has been assigned to conduct the prosecution, interesting news in view of the fact no official prosecution has been ordered.
The difference between rumor and fact in this instance is that there is no case, and no basis for the massive gossip, until a prosecution is formally in process. The information so far is meaningless, until that happens. AP and Fox have taken a more balanced approach, stating only that the prosecution is under consideration, not that there’s been a decision.
TMZ, a blog, has meanwhile reported that Murray has a connection with Britney Spears. His lawyer is the one who got charges dropped against Spears in the hit and run case a few years ago.
The information and news quality at this stage was highly debatable. Not one of these pieces had a word about any official statements. Actual information finally occurred when somebody got off their major anatomical assets and rang LA DA and asked what was happening.
ABC News, after running an earlier piece in the same vein, later reported that the LA DA hasn’t decided to lay charges. Some sources are still publishing the rumor, hours after ABC's statement of the situation.
Journalism? When did that get a mention?
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/285321

Whether or not we believe the rumors to be leaks or fabrications, it's good to see a report acknowledging that they are still just rumors. Good for them. This has nothing to do with my thoughts on the validity of it, just my thoughts on journalism. =P
 
That came from the doctor's mouth. I don't believe for a second that michael begged or even asked for that drug. I honestly don't believe Michael was awake when he was given the propofol, but even if he was awake, I think it would make more sense to give up trying to get a good night's sleep (it was 10am according to the doctor) and go have breakfast/lunch with your kids before you go to rehearsal.

Well... I love MJ and all, but... You know. Let's not pretend that Michael never wanted it. Not saying that Murray's innocent, though. I want him in jail too.
 
so if a grand jury returns an indictment , they will announce the charges , murray will be arrested, then their will be a bail RIGHT ? he must pay a bail ? let's see how much his bail will be .

but when the grand jury procedures would be made public ? will checkoff fork the bill for the bail ? it will be hundreds of thousands for sure , Murray can't afford to pay child support let alone pay hundreds of thousands . It should be very interesting
 
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Heh, would be cool to see T-Mez in there as a prosecutor, kicking Murray's ass...*dreams*

I'd even contribute funds to that...

Yeah, he'd kick butt, for sure. However, in reality, T-Mez would most likely be on the other side of the fence. He's criminal defense all the way. Always for the underdog. (Which, technically, would be Michael, but whatever. :smilerolleyes:) However, he'd also prolly never take on a client like Murray. More than any of that, it prolly wouldn't happen because it would create a conflict of interest, as Michael's former attorney. But what we need is someone as honest and ruthless as he is to fight for Michael and justice. T-Mez is a rarity for sure in his field.


so if a grand jury returns an indictment , they will announce the charges , murray will be arrested, then their will be a bail RIGHT ? he must pay a bail ? let's see how much his bail will be.

Better be over $3m!!! :mat:

Thanks for the pic. He LOOKS tough enough, and professional? What can we find out about him? What other cases has he prosecuted, and what is his success rate? Our hope for justice lies with the detectives investigating the case, with the Grand Jury who will name what charges there will be (the level of the charges), and with the DA. If this goes to trial (which I still think it won't), also our hope lies with the jury.

The first hurdles are to get an appropriate level of charges, and also to determine if Murray acted alone, or if he did not. There is not enough info for US to make that determination with certainty, but maybe the detectives have enough/know enough?

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Well... I love MJ and all, but... You know. Let's not pretend that Michael never wanted it. Not saying that Murray's innocent, though. I want him in jail too.


So Michael demanded for propofol at 10:40 a.m. then? Yea, that makes A LOT of sense. And giant man Murray was so scared by Michael's demands that he finally gave Michael the propofol that he demanded him for. ppfftt yea right. Michael was probably already knocked out by all the other meds that Murray's dumbass gave to him. So I highly doubt that Michael was even awake, or still alive, when Murray gave Michael the acute amount of propofol. I mean come on. Medical experts even say that the amount of meds Murray gave Michael could put an elephant down. And Murray continues to say that he didn't give or prescribe anything to Michael that could kill him. :doh: Did this Murray and his "team" not see the damn autopsy report? Which said the cause of death? Murray is a complete idiot. That's fact.
 
him aquitting a nurse in a hospital is quite different from doing this in a resident, imo its still gross negligence and shouldnt have be able to prescribe an anaesthetic to a patient who has no preexisting heart problems and is not performing a procedure with it. lets face it the whole thing is bizarre at the least. i mean a heart doctor giving someone an anaesthetic to sleep in a residence. what?
 
so if a grand jury returns an indictment , they will announce the charges , murray will be arrested, then their will be a bail RIGHT ? he must pay a bail ? let's see how much his bail will be .

but when the grand jury procedures would be made public ? will checkoff fork the bill for the bail ? it will be hundreds of thousands for sure , Murray can't afford to pay child support let alone pay hundreds of thousands . It should be very interesting

Yup. I think the way it goes is that the Grand Jury reaches a conclusion about the case going forward, or not. If there is enough evidence to indict, they will turn that material over to the D.A. The D.A. will issue the indictment and that is when we will know the charges.

Good point, about bail. Once Murray is arrested he will have to post bail. I think that amount will be public knowledge. I agree, it should be very interesting. . . . . . Don't know if the attorney is the one to pay bail? Usually NOT? The person must come up with that amount him or herself. Somehow? That will bear watching, as to WHO pays it. If the attorney pays it, where did he get the money? It would be highly unusual for the attorney to pay. Is that even LEGAL? Don't know. . . .

The Grand Jury proceedings for Michael were never made public, to my knowledge. There were two Grand Juries convened for the 1993 allegations. One was in L.A., and the other in Santa Barbara. Neither one voted to indict, and the proceedings have never been made public. A Grand Jury is usually "secret." We will probably not know what evidence was presented, and what was said. In part, this preserves the integrity of the jury-pool for an upcoming trial.

I predict that if the charges are slight (i.e. "involuntary manslaughter") he will plead guilty and there will be no trial. When whatever his punishment might be is over (whatever it is), I predict that he will write a book and become very, very rich. . . . . . .
 
so if a grand jury returns an indictment , they will announce the charges , murray will be arrested, then their will be a bail RIGHT ? he must pay a bail ? let's see how much his bail will be .

but when the grand jury procedures would be made public ? will checkoff fork the bill for the bail ? it will be hundreds of thousands for sure , Murray can't afford to pay child support let alone pay hundreds of thousands . It should be very interesting

Look how much MJ's bail was set for.
 
him aquitting a nurse in a hospital is quite different from doing this in a resident, imo its still gross negligence and shouldnt have be able to prescribe an anaesthetic to a patient who has no preexisting heart problems and is not performing a procedure with it. lets face it the whole thing is bizarre at the least. i mean a heart doctor giving someone an anaesthetic to sleep in a residence. what?

I agree. The situation was totally BIZARRE!
 
I know it's not fun, but I found a site where I could get rid of my anger a bit.

http://connect.in.com/conrad-robert-murray/profile-542557.html

you can throw tomatoes or shoot pichkari

but THINK he has 28 voting who gave him a ROSE

you can also give Michael something good, give rose or dedicate a song ...

http://connect.in.com/michael-jackson/profile-195969.html


Thank you! lmfao this is so awesome! :lol: I have a lot of anger. Now I can just throw tomatoes at Murray :D And dedicate songs to Mike.
 
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Murray may be getting this fancy lawyer but getting a nurse off who adminstered it in a hospital is a completely different ball game to a qualified doctor administering it at someone's home, after giving that person five different sedatives. We're all just playing the waiting game now.
 
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