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The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and Other Theories

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My head is spinning...

If there is any truth in this then what about my spiritual experiences?

And there is so many stories about what happened on June 25th...

I need to get out of here.
 
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Michael is alive.Many people know that.
The facts show us the truth.
But Cassandra is fake.
Dont believe her
 
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Dangerous Incorporated said:
I also think it was Michael. Someone pointed out though that usually Michael is so humble where as he was being brash and foward.
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I think he was on meds, which can often cause such behaviour. I think we was worrying about that announcement and took smth to calm down... But this is him.

That diary is fake...What person would quote his fiend`s diary about hoax death to the world, that`s nonsense...
 
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i don,t know if this is relevant,but i,ve always thought the the whole concert thing was rushed,i remember during the bad tour in 1988 there was lots of advertisement
for the concerts and it was months in advance,
i remember being on this board the day we heard a rumour michael was on his way to london,
and when it was confirmed we were told he was doing an announcement on the following thursday,
i just don,t know what the relevance is or where i am going with this regarding the hoax,i just have a strange feeling thinking about it,
 
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I'd like to give thanks to everyone here for discovering inconsistencies. Until yesterday I didn't really give a thought to the hoax theory. But, I have always kept an open mind because anything is possible regarding world-widely huge figures like MJ.

I mean, I'm open to all possibilities surrounding his death. Some fans think there is only 1 possibility and attack others whose view is different, but they should be reminded of the fact that MJ was not your average superstar, meaning he was a black artist with the most power and influence, making so-called "superstars" look like ordinary people, being the 1st case ever for reaching that status during the entire human history and been targeted for that reason. This provides us with the clear starting point of the possibility of the hoax that maybe he did it to protect himself from extreme danger.


Please remember that him being a black man means the kind of danger could become like, 100 times more serious than the kind of danger to a white artist with the exactly same level of power and influence, if we suppose there is one (because, actually, there is no such white artist in history)

I hope I can contribute something, but right now all I can do is learn more about the inconsistencies.
 
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DanceOfZenab1994 said:
My head is spinning...

If there is any truth in this then what about my spiritual experiences?

And there is so many stories about what happened on June 25th...

I need to get out of here.
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You said exactly what I was thinking.I too have had spiritual experiences (which I posted in the medium thread) that is what is so hard for me too.
I have had other spiritual experiences too regarding family members so reading all this is really testing for me.If he is alive well then those experiences are not real.But that then means my faith in what I have experienced is not real.
I am not just talking dreams either.There is a difference between dream and reality.

I would never of even of looked at any hoax related things before until I saw the hoax video part 6 on youtube regarding Kenny talking etc.I have seen most of these interviews myself and thought at the time why did he say that but you just carry on watching and then forget but seeing all the clips put together it really got me thinking.
I now can't stop myself reading all this info but I really feel as if I am betraying him in even thinking that he is alive.God this is so hard :(

I also think that there are two ways at looking at some of the info.It can be looked at regarding a murder or it can be looked at as a cover up for him being alive.
I do like reading all this info and I have to say I am split straight down the middle but it always comes back to my spiritual experiences which make me believe he is no longer here.
 
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^in no way are you betraying mj ,i used to think that, and i was also to scared to voice my opinions about anything hoax related on this forum through fear of having my fandom questioned,but now when i think about this matter ,it,s not bad of me to consider the idea,i do because i love the man,and if michael knew people would find different ways of coping i don,t think he would be insulted,i think he would be pleased that people are not just taking the medias word for everything,and are investigating what happend,i have mixed feelings about the whole hoax thing,i truelly don,t know if he is dead or alive,but i have been following the hoax sites for a long time,it makes me feel better,and some things are undeniable,what i hate is when people say he wouldn,t do this to his fans,
michael has given his fans 40yrs of his life,he has been abused beyond belief for years,most of us couldn,t cope with all he,s been through,
what does he owe us?maybe for once he thought about his own well being,
instead of always thinking of others,
 
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man.in.the.mirror said:
^in no way are you betraying mj ,i used to think that, and i was also to scared to voice my opinions about anything hoax related on this forum through fear of having my fandom questioned,but now when i think about this matter ,it,s not bad of me to consider the idea,i do because i love the man,and if michael knew people would find different ways of coping i don,t think he would be insulted,i think he would be pleased that people are not just taking the medias word for everything,and are investigating what happend,i have mixed feelings about the whole hoax thing,i truelly don,t know if he is dead or alive,but i have been following the hoax sites for a long time,it makes me feel better,and some things are undeniable,what i hate is when people say he wouldn,t do this to his fans,
michael has given his fans 40yrs of his life,he has been abused beyond belief for years,most of us couldn,t cope with all he,s been through,
what does he owe us?maybe for once he thought about his own well being,
instead of always thinking of others,
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Well said!:clapping: Whatever is the truth, all I pray for is his happiness.

I really feel you esp. on the part in bold.
 
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I agree with you :yes:
I hope where ever he is, he is happy. He really deserves all the happiness in the world :(
 
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Angela_MJJ said:
No it wasn't about you ;) the person I was talking about already replied :p
To be honest I don't really believe what's in the article but you never know right?
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no me neither.. at least its hard to believe!
 
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All this is so very interesting.

let me first start by stating that all I know is that " MJ is not any longer here with us, that we know of". May that be in terms of him actually being passes away or somewhere relaxing (I'd like to think this).

I always feel weird talking about this cause in one sense..I have to speak as if he has passed on but then there is another side of me that says..he's still here with us and not just in spirit. (we just don't know where).

I have always felt "THIS IS IT" was meant to be a movie/documentary just not everyone knew of this. It might have started out as an actual tour but then turned into something else or just meant from the start to be a film.

I feel as though Michael found out..someone was trying to hurt him or something was gonna go down and this is how he got out of it. I think only a handful of people know and yes people (non famous) ones have faked their death without issue...meaning they were able to get coroner's and all that jazz in on it.

I know people say "Oh he would not do that to his kids or family" but if his life was at stake he had to and I believe he would make it known to his kids later in life when they can understand and who says they don't know now? lol. Maybe not at the initial time of course or who knows. I just feel bad thinking this way but my dad is a cop and there was plenty of times I went along with him on stuff when I was younger cause he did something..lol nothing bad but might have been against police protocol and I had to be there for him.

In my heart...I so hope Michael is alive and I totally understand why it had to be done. I'm still confused about that "Dave Dave" guy on LK. I know he is a real person but he reminds me of MJ as far as mannerisms.

but like I said..if MJ is not here with us anymore..may he rest and I know God is with him.
 
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Dave Dave... When I saw that video from LKL, I was so shocked and sure this is Michael...I thought there`s no way that`s not him...But those hands...I can`t imagine how they faked them, because they were moving, I analyzed the parts in video in slowmotion and his wrist was moving...they were not from plastic or smth like that. But his suit is too big and in one part his shoulders are moving strangely..
Things that bother me:
1.His look... when my friend gave link with no comments what`s there, I started watching and in one second when I saw those eyes I undestood what`s happening...Damn...those eyes are Michael`s! This is unbelievable, I`ve never seen anyone with MJ`s eyes, they are the SAME....
2. His mannerism (it reminded me a lot Geraldo interview), words...and he repeats the question when he answers
3.First it was said that Michael paid for lots of Dave`s surgeries, later Dave said his mother had a good insurance and MJ didn`t have to pay, he was giving him moral help.
4.First he says he met MJ in Encino house,later he says it was Neverland
5.He often reperred "Larry"
6.During LK show guests often are shown in one shot, but Miko and Dave were shown seperate all the time
7.He says: He took me into his life, which is very rare for Michael to do.
Oh yeah, that`s right....
8.He`s talking about Michael very personally, like about himself...
9.Dave`s real voice is much lower, there was one video on his myspace profile..And of course he doesn`t like the one in LK...


IF "Dave" was Michael..maby he wanted to give message to fans who understood that`s him, that he`s OK
Or...Dave was influenced by Michael and imitated him...and wanted to play with our emotions....
 
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EDIT: I just want to say now that I REALLY do NOT agree with the 'Dave Dave' thing.

I just want to come in and say I spoke to the LA Coroner via his facebook, which is real as it has his work collegues and friends etc. on it. He confirmed the Twitter page as his. I'll post a screen cap soon...

(PLEASE do NOT bombard his facebook with messages/friend requests)

LAcoronerconfirm.jpg


Oh I forgot - This is his Twitter: www.twitter.com/chiefcoronerla

There are some suspicious posts. :/
 
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man.in.the.mirror said:
i don,t know if this is relevant,but i,ve always thought the the whole concert thing was rushed,i remember during the bad tour in 1988 there was lots of advertisement
for the concerts and it was months in advance,
i remember being on this board the day we heard a rumour michael was on his way to london,
and when it was confirmed we were told he was doing an announcement on the following thursday,
i just don,t know what the relevance is or where i am going with this regarding the hoax,i just have a strange feeling thinking about it,
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I know, right!? I rushed to London, and felt weird about the whole thing..
 
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~God~Bless~MJ~ said:
well they paid an homage during the show, that's probably why he isn't in the list
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they did i tribute to another artist aswell during the show,not sure of his name but i,ll find out,and they still included that artist in the memoriam but not michael,
 
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Dangerous Incorporated said:
Remember the whole Murray child custody hearing?

Well here is the lawyer for Murray's ex-girlfriend:
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And here he is now at Michael's funeral!:
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Wow. That the same dude? Why on earth would he be at MJs funeral?

Murray's ex girlfriend has the same surname as MJ's bodyguard Alberto Alvarez (who made the 911 call). I don't know if they are related but they look similar. She's an actress. Maybe they are all connected, maybe I could accept her being at MJs funeral if Alberto is her brother... but her lawyer..?
 
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i remember on one of the hoax sites a long time ago,someone posted a screenshot of someone they thought looked like murray at mjs funeral,i cannot find it anywhere,my 11yr old daughter looked at it at the time and i said who does that look like,and she said murray,
 
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I've been looking into the hoax and as much as I have accepted mj is gone, you can't help think maybe he is alive by all the incosistencies i.e. No death certificate signed by dr, michaels proper name NOT on the will, the clues in the TII film, the memorial, kennys tweets that give hints etc.

One of the major clues is in the film v for vendetta, see below:

More V for Vendetta


We all know the video that MJalive999 created on youtube about the connections between this movie and MJ's Hoax. And TIAI did redirected us as well to this movie. And I'm sure many of u already discussed about this on this forum. Sorry for re-opening this topic again.

ok... Why this movie???
Mjalive999 showed us the most important "coincidences" with the hoax, wich are :
1. The fight for the TRUTH and FREEDOM.
2. The Big Announcement ( with that red curtain signature)
3. The statue of children holding hands in a circle ( very similar with the one in Neverland). Except the statue in V movie is formed by 5 children, while Mj's has 7 - both of them have a thing with the numbers here
4. The Fedora man - V is in disguise - and he is recording (with a camera) the meeting with the detective looks a lot like the Hat man at the Memorial.
5. The backround imagine ( with the Army of Hope for V and The Army of LOVE for MJ?)
Mjalive999 did an amazing job conecting this movie (V for Vendetta) and the hoax together! bravo.

But I see more "coincidences" ! And that's why I've decided to open a new thread about this very special movie!
My question is...Was this movie the main source of inspiration for MJ's Hoax??
Let's go back to the story line and see more then we've already seen!

The Release of the movie was in March 2006

The Action starts in London.( how familiar )..
- A shadowy, mysterious freedom fighter; with an ideea that changed the world - V .
- A man in a mask who says about himself : " I'm a musician of sorts, and on my way to give a very special performance. I promise it will be like nothing you've ever seen! "

1. As the story beggins, we hear these lines : "This is a Test..... England Prevails"
2. BTN (British Television Network) - reports a fabricated news about a death! ( " you think ppl will buy this??? Why not?? this is BTN - our job is to report the news, not fabricate it! that's government's job").
3. The Big Announcement made by V!
He mentions the words : truth, cruelty, injustice, intolerance and "Truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.(...) But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me ONE year from tonight, and together we shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot."
4. The BTN news reports : The masked man was shot and killed .dead - ( Lies)
5. V's home - the Shadow Gallery - underground, looks like a museum - Art items, books, music..
The song "Cry me a River " plays on the jukebox, performed by Julie London
~"Now you say you're sorry
For bein' so untrue
Well, you can cry me a river, cry me a river
I cried a river over you"~
6. The Voice of London ( Prothero) - was killed (by V) with an overdose of legal drugs!
On the news they reported the cause of death - Heart Failure ( more Lies).
7. Evey Hammond - captured and tortured by V, reads this message "What I hope most of all is that you understand what I mean when I tell you that, even though I do not know you, and even though I may never meet you, laugh with you, cry with you, or kiss you, I love you. With all my heart, I love you."
Why all this ?
Evey - "That wasn't real"
V - " you wanted to live without fear. I wish there'd been an easier way, but there wasn't. I know you may never forgive me... but nor will you understand how hard it was for me to do what I did".
".........artists use lies to tell the truth. Yes, I created a lie. But because you believed it, you found something true about yourself. "
8. 4th of November - the Eve of the Revolution: ( after 347 days from the Announcement?? anyway...very interesting choice of numbers..do we have a 77 or wht??
The policeman Finch - " Tonight's your big night. Are you ready for it?... Are we ready for it?
The problem is, he knows us better than we know ourselves. I suddenly had this feeling that everything was connected.
I felt like I could see everything that happened, and everything that is going to happen. It was like a perfect pattern, laid out in front of me. And I realised we're all part of it, and all trapped by it. "

In the movie we have important figures of the society - the media, the police, the doctors, the church ( the bishop) and a character - called Spider ( death ) - all involved, connected and part of the Vendetta! They all went down like pieces in a Domino! Only One piece didn't fall ...and that was LOVE ( or Hope?)........

V - " What us done to me, created me! "

In the end, V succeded - with the price of his death - and the help of Evey, Finch and his Army - to change the world and make a day to remember!;)
"Remember, remember the fifth of November!"

My last question is .....could this line be real ?? " There are no coincidences, only the illusion of coincidence! " Could most of our answers be in this movie ?

Now ...You be the judge of all this...!
Bcz maybe I'm going crazy and I see more then it is...in everything and everywhere!! But I saw this movie on tv, on Saturday and couldn't help not noticing how many things in common V and MJ have
Who knows ? maybe some of u here will enjoy this thread, and if u don't .. u have my apologies for borring u with my crazy thoughts and scenarios!
 
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http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/?t=45183656&st=15

in the above Italian forum a poster called black or White claims he knows where michael is via someone close to the hoax. He also claims to know the reason why michael HAD to hoax his death - he was in serious danger.

Take with a pinch of salt but it's quite chilling as everything he writes kinda explains the weird n inconsistenties with michaels death.
 
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Always when i read here, i feel so confused inside, i feel so lost, but i feel so much good feelings to believe in, that he is alive.
 
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BoW had a question and answer sess, here's some snippets:

Question:
Liberian girl pictures at the funeral and the Memorial’s last picture suggest Michael as being the director of the whole hoax. Did they pick them on purpose? They’re quite old, actually.
Thank you, I won’t nag you anymore!!!!

Answer:
They were chosen on purpose. The same for the burial’s picture, but the burial was planned later, it was not scheduled.

Question
how could they find a double in such a short time and “train” him (pardon the expression) so accurately?

Answer:
let me explain you this matter of the impersonator.
Michael has been rehearsing at the Staple centre for two days, he wears the same clothes all the time.
OK?
The only double in the movie is the orange-pants guy.
This guy has made other rehearsals, infact he was not at the Staple centre on the other days.
That guy was perfectly alike, he only needed a few instructions.
Michael was busy preparing something completely different…
On 23rd and 24th the staff went to the Staples with Michael.
Notice that he was wearing black shirt and black trousers.
He only changed his shirts. 2 days…

Question
BlackorWhite, when Mike comes back, may people think he is an impersonator or just a prank?
How will he “show himself”, in which way shall he do it? Probably you don’t know, shall he go at a live show, something like that?

Answer:
I don’t know how shall he show himself when he is back. But I think that each of us will definitely recognize Michael.


• The burial booklet reports “temporary interment” because actually the tomb they are using to make people believe that Michael is dead is temporary.
That mausoleum is temporary, everybody believe that Michael is there.
• It’s not true that Michael is in an Ascension Temple
• No spiritual mission will be fulfilled when Michael is back.
• “Another day” is an unreleased song written a few years ago. It was selected by Michael in the last few weeks, just as the unreleased song “A place with no name”. He gave himself permission, namely MJCOMPANY.
• There is a message hidden in that song. Look for it.
• Sleeping-bags have nothing to do with the hoax.
• There is no connection among the movies THIS IS IT - 2012 – LEGION THE BOOK OF ELI (anything to do with the hoax).
• Michael is not producing films. Any films.
• Earnest (double) had been invited, he was meant to be a guest, as one of the best Michael’s impersonators. He didn’t shoot the movie. It’s not him in the movie.
• The van video is fake. Michael never got on that van. The “making of” video helps you understand that the coroner’s van loading the body is fake too.
• The New World Order has nothing to do with the hoax
• www.michaelisback.com 757 days .... You should make another calculation. As I already told you, there are a few diversions in the hoax.
• Michael had to disappear and chose a date during those months.
2040 is a clue to help you believe he is alive.
• When “Escape” and “Morphine” were written, Michael was going through a bad time. These songs have nothing to do with the hoax.
• Michael has been out on a wheelchair several times to throw the media off track. He also did it some other time.
• As I told, the news concerning his health were false. Living under the paparazzi’s eyes h 24, it’s difficult, but Michael knew detecting.
• Tears....if you knew knew the reason underlying the hoax, you would understand why those tears were rolling down Katherine’s face. Blankett was very confused, he hadn’t seen his dad for days.
• As I told you, Karen Fate knows about the hoax.

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Hadn't seen that before thanks for placing it :)
I know what you mean about thinking you are going crazy.
There were ppl saying that the lyrics of Earth Song were different at the Grammy's like he sang "what if I'd live again"
The first time I listened to it I thought WTH?? then I turned up the volume and heard the usual lyrics what about death again...

About Dave Dave, I thought for a long time it was just a lot of crap.
But then I saw this video today and she placed photo's of the eyes of LKL Dave Dave and the true Dave Dave together and I have to say that I'm not sure what to think anymore.
The mannerisms and the way he talks are also mentioned in it.
Check the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFPBvcViqYs
 
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Good morning Black. About the message contained in Another Day, these are the verses (the ones sung by Michael .. thank goodness we had them transcribed because the video was removed!) Where to be found the message?

"My life has taken me beyond the planets and the stars
And you're the only one that could take me this far
I'll be forever searching for your love
I walked away but I was wrong
You're the one that keeps me strong
You're the fire that keeps me warm
How will I get through this storm?
At night, I pray before I sleep in hope of finding you "

If so, translating "you" with you (instead of "you") would seem as though Michael is in a sense saying that we are his strength and he's sorry for everything .. .. I hope you understand what I mean.

Thanks Black

Answer:

Trilly exactly, this song was not released at random.
Michael has put about purposely.With his permission.
Even if Sony does not agree because he wants Motl rights.


A few answers to some of your questions:
- Dave Dave we have seen has always been himself, he’s not Michael in disguise. He’s not helping him, he knows little or nothing.
- Yes, from 1st to 10th Michael were at Culver Studios; remember the video of guys listening to The way you make me feel, they were listening to an impersonator.
- The new single was removed from the web because Sony is claiming rights.
- Yes, Michael re-hired Branca and Mc Clain. The two laywers are going to help Michael in legal issues, for instance the will, that is a fake.
- Actually, no involvement of 9 doctors.
- Michael was supposed to be dead for prescription drugs overdose and murder (as a diversion).
- Michael had to hoax his death because he couldn’t even cancel his concerts.
- Murray speaks on behalf of Michael, listen to his words carefully.
- I know Neverland67, we don’t rely on the same source, and we have different opinions, mostly about Michael’s comeback.
- Neverland has been restructured. That’s the use of cement they delivered there.
- The ambulance picture (as I already told) actually is two pictures overlapped and photoshopped.
- Larry King is partially informed.
- Michael left clues everywhere, the truth is in front of us, but we are unable to see it…
- 757, 756, 755 is coming on the same date. They don’t refer to the comeback date.
- In the song “Another day” Michel is speaking to us, it is another big clue.
- Michael is worried about the fans’ reaction on his return, but he has to do it sooner or later.
- That helicopter is not real as it seems. It was never registered.
- The infamous van never arrived with a body in, later it turned back to be a simple van. You just saw it getting into the Coroner’s office underground garage. No van, no corpse. It’s all gone.
- Several interviews that are being released lately are false.
- Joe is challenging the will so that we all understand that the will is fake, actually, and the children’s custody was to be temporary.
- Michael’s demise is not connected with Sony.


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If Michael didn’t get on the Coroner’s van, then the video is a fake. But why should they use a fake LA coroner’s van, and use a real military helicopter? It’s all for L.O.V.E.

Answer:
That infamous van never arrived with a body in, later it turned back to be a simple van. You just saw it getting into the Coroner’s office underground garage. No van, no corpse. It’s all gone. None of the staff working there ever checked that van, that’s why.

Question
Black, do the people who threatened Michael know he is alive? Or they don’t know and FBI fixed it? Michael had to hoax his death only because of threats related to London, I mean just the city, and not Michael directly?
Answer:
They are not suspecting that Michael is alive, and FBI is working out.
Threats were against Michael. His concerts were going to attract thousands of people.
 
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