The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and Other Theories

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^^Jennifer Hudson seems pretty shocked. Its weird that she hasnt mentioned participating on WATW25 on her twitter.

Green Screen Man is only seen on the making of I think. Remember there are 2 GSM as you can see above. One you can see his face. You can see that on any of the making of videos so you can see that it isnt 'shopped'.

Here is some more info on the oddities of the Autopsy Report:
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^^Jennifer Hudson seems pretty shocked. Its weird that she hasnt mentioned participating on WATW25 on her twitter.

Green Screen Man is only seen on the making of I think. Remember there are 2 GSM as you can see above. One you can see his face. You can see that on any of the making of videos so you can see that it isnt 'shopped'.

I saw the lil green man, that looks like MJ in the official video..
 
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Inconsistencies in the autopsy report

- Page 1 states the body’s face is unshaven. Page 8 states that “a moustache and beard are absent.”

- The body was in a hospital gown. Why would they stop resuscitative efforts to change his clothes into a hospital gown ? Everyone very much doubts he wasn’t wearing any bottoms or undies when he was put under. And he would obviously not be wearing a hospital gown either originally.

- The report states his teeth are all natural. Then, they however proceed to describe ceramic and metallic alteration/restoration and endosseal implants which is a metal wire implanted to support an ARTIFICIAL tooth.

- The report states MJ was not found in his usual bedroom, down the hall, but in another one, on top of the stairs. Reports from Murray’s lawyer and other sources are inconsistent when it comes to where MJ was found.

- The report claims MJ’s body was identified using his driver’s license. It would state Michael JOE Jackson. Also, the paramedics claimed that he looked so unlike himself that they took a while recognising him. There is no mention of LaToya IDing the body.

- The coroner staff took hair samples for toxicology in August, after 2 autopsies were already completed. —> Why ? As hair provides a more accurate timeline of all drug use across the course of the hair’s growth (stringent drug tests use hair rather than urine), one would think it would be habitual and almost mandatory to take hair samples in toxicology cases.

- The toxicology screen did not find the Flumazenil administered by Murray. However, they found it in the IV system and a 10cc syringe, along with the Propofol and Lidocaine. There were no drugs found in the upper portion of the IV tubing or in the IV bag. –> was Murray re-using needles ? How much Propofol did he inject into the IV bolus ? Why was the fluid in the syringe white, while the fluid in the IV was yellow, though they both contained the same drugs and the IV fluid was clear ?

- The toxicology screen did not find the epinephrine or atropine said to be administered by paramedics during resuscitative efforts.

- The toxicology screen did find ephedrine, but there is no report of where or how it was administered. It was found only in his urine, which would mean that it had enough time to be filtered by the liver.

- The autopsy report states that Murray found MJ not breathing at around noon. —> The search warrant timeline claims that Murray found him at around 10.52 AM. Weird considering that that specific info was most likely given to the coroner by detectives on the case.

- The report states that MJ called Murray to his house at 1AM and MJ slept several hours at his side –> The search warrant indicates that Murray kept administering all those drugs because MJ could NOT fall asleep.

- Somehow, Murray managed to perform CPR with enough force to fracture ribs but there was no recorded bruise on MJ’s back which should have been present had he put his hand at his back to “harden” the surface, as stated by his legal team. Also, the report states Murray performed CPR on the ground when it was clear it was performed on a bed (the 911 dispatcher orders Alvarez to put MJ on the ground, yet Alvarez never relays the info to the doctor). This is a key element to proving Murray’s gross negligence and incompetence as CPR is a basic for any doctor, especially a cardiologist.

Oh God, he’s taking Propofol… Or is he ?

- The report indicates the presence of benzodiazepines, which are a contributory factor the death, as mixing Propofol with benzos is deadly. It takes exactly 15 seconds for any simpleton to find that info on the Internet – do a Wikipedia search on Propofol, they clearly state that Propofol and benzos should never be mixed together. Hard to believe Murray would be THAT stupid and ignorant on that clear contraindication.
I’m also finding it hard to believe that they would rule that death as an “acute Propofol intoxication”. I searched precedents of drug abuse and found some cases : all of them were results of a self-administered injection which too rapid and then, not monitored leading to cardiac arrest. All those deaths were declared as such – no technical overdose on the product. Also, several doctors have come out saying that the dosage was standard, some even going as far as saying that it was not sufficient to put him efficiently to sleep for a sufficient period of time.

- The report states that Propofol was found in stomach contents. How is that even possible ?
Propofol is an intravenous drug EXCLUSIVELY. The only way for it to be found in the stomach would be that one had taken it orally, had drunk it. Obviously, there’s no doubt that MJ didn’t drink the substance. Now, say he had drunk the substance. It would still have to be metabolised, which can’t happen if he’s dead. There wouldn’t have been enough time anyway, according to the search warrant timeline, for that to happen.

- Speaking of some time confusions… The AR states that Murray was called by MJ at his house at 1AM ; the search warrant more or less corroborates that since it states that Murray gave MJ his first injections at 1.30 AM. However, fan testimonies from the This Is Not It website (as well as some other reports from MJ’s entourage) place MJ going out the Staples Centre at 1.30 AM. That means MJ would be home at around 2 in the morning (it takes around 30 minutes without circulation to go from the Staples Centre to his Carolwood home) – say Murray gets there at the same time. At the earliest, MJ’s first injections would have taken place at 2.10-15 AM when everything was set up.
It would have taken for the police a simple interrogation of MJ’s entourage to clear that up.
Speaking of the timeline, the search warrant itself shows something extremely strange. It states that Murray found MJ not breathing at 10.52 AM yet also that Murray placed three calls between 11.18 and 12.05 AM… in the midst of the chaos, seriously ? Though Murray’s lawyer said the timeline was flawed and Murray found MJ unconscious at 11.50 something, he still placed those calls AFTERWARDS. And the police didn’t find that suspicious… even malicious ? With all this crucial info (the benzo mix, the CPR on the bed, the timeline contradictions), it would have taken since Murray’s interrogation + the autopsy report completion to book Murray. Seriously. The judge didn’t even prohibit him from practicing medicine when all goes to prove he was negligent, incompetent and even malevolent (placing phone calls while MJ was dying).
 
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Thank you DI. This convinced me that the autopsy reporst is, seriously, fake.
 
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did anyone try to insert themselves into the WATW for Haiti video? I cant find any website to do it, i dont think it really exists..
 
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They just showed the WATW official video on TV here in Finland, and I spotted the lil green man in it... :) I couldn't but laugh as I saw it again.
I have no idea how to insert yourself in the video. I actually doubt the whole idea, too. Why would someone make so much effort? The green man is visible such a short time in the video, it's really only a glimpse. :brow:
 
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Inconsistencies in the autopsy report

- Page 1 states the body’s face is unshaven. Page 8 states that “a moustache and beard are absent.”

- The body was in a hospital gown. Why would they stop resuscitative efforts to change his clothes into a hospital gown ? Everyone very much doubts he wasn’t wearing any bottoms or undies when he was put under. And he would obviously not be wearing a hospital gown either originally.

- The report states his teeth are all natural. Then, they however proceed to describe ceramic and metallic alteration/restoration and endosseal implants which is a metal wire implanted to support an ARTIFICIAL tooth.

- The report states MJ was not found in his usual bedroom, down the hall, but in another one, on top of the stairs. Reports from Murray’s lawyer and other sources are inconsistent when it comes to where MJ was found.

- The report claims MJ’s body was identified using his driver’s license. It would state Michael JOE Jackson. Also, the paramedics claimed that he looked so unlike himself that they took a while recognising him. There is no mention of LaToya IDing the body.

- The coroner staff took hair samples for toxicology in August, after 2 autopsies were already completed. —> Why ? As hair provides a more accurate timeline of all drug use across the course of the hair’s growth (stringent drug tests use hair rather than urine), one would think it would be habitual and almost mandatory to take hair samples in toxicology cases.

- The toxicology screen did not find the Flumazenil administered by Murray. However, they found it in the IV system and a 10cc syringe, along with the Propofol and Lidocaine. There were no drugs found in the upper portion of the IV tubing or in the IV bag. –> was Murray re-using needles ? How much Propofol did he inject into the IV bolus ? Why was the fluid in the syringe white, while the fluid in the IV was yellow, though they both contained the same drugs and the IV fluid was clear ?

- The toxicology screen did not find the epinephrine or atropine said to be administered by paramedics during resuscitative efforts.

- The toxicology screen did find ephedrine, but there is no report of where or how it was administered. It was found only in his urine, which would mean that it had enough time to be filtered by the liver.

- The autopsy report states that Murray found MJ not breathing at around noon. —> The search warrant timeline claims that Murray found him at around 10.52 AM. Weird considering that that specific info was most likely given to the coroner by detectives on the case.

- The report states that MJ called Murray to his house at 1AM and MJ slept several hours at his side –> The search warrant indicates that Murray kept administering all those drugs because MJ could NOT fall asleep.

- Somehow, Murray managed to perform CPR with enough force to fracture ribs but there was no recorded bruise on MJ’s back which should have been present had he put his hand at his back to “harden” the surface, as stated by his legal team. Also, the report states Murray performed CPR on the ground when it was clear it was performed on a bed (the 911 dispatcher orders Alvarez to put MJ on the ground, yet Alvarez never relays the info to the doctor). This is a key element to proving Murray’s gross negligence and incompetence as CPR is a basic for any doctor, especially a cardiologist.

Oh God, he’s taking Propofol… Or is he ?

- The report indicates the presence of benzodiazepines, which are a contributory factor the death, as mixing Propofol with benzos is deadly. It takes exactly 15 seconds for any simpleton to find that info on the Internet – do a Wikipedia search on Propofol, they clearly state that Propofol and benzos should never be mixed together. Hard to believe Murray would be THAT stupid and ignorant on that clear contraindication.
I’m also finding it hard to believe that they would rule that death as an “acute Propofol intoxication”. I searched precedents of drug abuse and found some cases : all of them were results of a self-administered injection which too rapid and then, not monitored leading to cardiac arrest. All those deaths were declared as such – no technical overdose on the product. Also, several doctors have come out saying that the dosage was standard, some even going as far as saying that it was not sufficient to put him efficiently to sleep for a sufficient period of time.

- The report states that Propofol was found in stomach contents. How is that even possible ?
Propofol is an intravenous drug EXCLUSIVELY. The only way for it to be found in the stomach would be that one had taken it orally, had drunk it. Obviously, there’s no doubt that MJ didn’t drink the substance. Now, say he had drunk the substance. It would still have to be metabolised, which can’t happen if he’s dead. There wouldn’t have been enough time anyway, according to the search warrant timeline, for that to happen.

- Speaking of some time confusions… The AR states that Murray was called by MJ at his house at 1AM ; the search warrant more or less corroborates that since it states that Murray gave MJ his first injections at 1.30 AM. However, fan testimonies from the This Is Not It website (as well as some other reports from MJ’s entourage) place MJ going out the Staples Centre at 1.30 AM. That means MJ would be home at around 2 in the morning (it takes around 30 minutes without circulation to go from the Staples Centre to his Carolwood home) – say Murray gets there at the same time. At the earliest, MJ’s first injections would have taken place at 2.10-15 AM when everything was set up.
It would have taken for the police a simple interrogation of MJ’s entourage to clear that up.
Speaking of the timeline, the search warrant itself shows something extremely strange. It states that Murray found MJ not breathing at 10.52 AM yet also that Murray placed three calls between 11.18 and 12.05 AM… in the midst of the chaos, seriously ? Though Murray’s lawyer said the timeline was flawed and Murray found MJ unconscious at 11.50 something, he still placed those calls AFTERWARDS. And the police didn’t find that suspicious… even malicious ? With all this crucial info (the benzo mix, the CPR on the bed, the timeline contradictions), it would have taken since Murray’s interrogation + the autopsy report completion to book Murray. Seriously. The judge didn’t even prohibit him from practicing medicine when all goes to prove he was negligent, incompetent and even malevolent (placing phone calls while MJ was dying).
Wow. I guess the emotions I got from reading that autopsy report got the best of me. I actually overlooked all of these inconsistencies.
Yeah not only is this incorrect with other official reports but it contradicts itself so many times. Don't they have someone to look over these things before they are released?? Or does everyone automatically forget how to do their jobs when it comes to Michael Jackson, everytime?
 
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WATW25 has been released for a week now and nobody can find anywhere online the feature to insert yourself into the music video.

Also remember T25 when you could put your face on MJs body for Thriller? As dodgy as that was, no Green Screen Guy was need for that.


The autopsy report messed with everyones emotions and made a lot of believers, non-believers again. The Will is fake, the Death Certificate is fake, the Autopsy is fake. All official documents are fake. I dont know how so many people cant see all the errors out there.
 
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The Court Of Last Resort
"The Court of Last Resort was founded by Erle Stanley Gardner in the 1950s. The team sought to reveal whether someone already found guilty might really be innocent. The show dramatized the original crime then followed the investigation. Actual cases were used "
The show was about a team of investigators visiting old cases in which people where found guilty and sent to jail, to try and prove them innocent.

One of the episodes happened to be titled "The Conrad Murray Case"
and the actor who played Conrad Murray was in a TV show called "Thriller"
and another one called "This Is It".

I don't know if this has to do with anything, but it sure is strange.
murray-1.png
 
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one of the episodes happened to be titled "the conrad murray case"
and the actor who played conrad murray was in a tv show called "thriller"
and another one called "this is it".

:/ .
 
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The Court Of Last Resort
"The Court of Last Resort was founded by Erle Stanley Gardner in the 1950s. The team sought to reveal whether someone already found guilty might really be innocent. The show dramatized the original crime then followed the investigation. Actual cases were used "
The show was about a team of investigators visiting old cases in which people where found guilty and sent to jail, to try and prove them innocent.

One of the episodes happened to be titled "The Conrad Murray Case"
and the actor who played Conrad Murray was in a TV show called "Thriller"
and another one called "This Is It".

I don't know if this has to do with anything, but it sure is strange.
murray-1.png

Wow.. your posts always intrigue me!!

This is way to much for it to be a coincidence... surely??!
 
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I'm speechless. How could this be just a coincidence anymore??? :dropdead:
 
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DI - if this "hoax" is true, then where is he? Surely someone would have seen him by now...??
 
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o man,, this just keeps getting better and better. open ur eyes ppl.. coincidence exists, just not in this case!!!!!!
 
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Again, I ask. Where IS he???
 
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What in the world....
 
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We might be witnessing something really big at the moment...If it's all true, these might be historical times we are living at the moment. But I'm also wondering where he would be hiding...? Any ideas?
 
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Again, I ask. Where IS he???

how would we know where he is?? he could be anywhere in the world.. we didnt know where he was everyday before June so why would we now? im telling you, he is doing this to prove a point. Murray is a metaphor in this whole situation to show that our system really is corrupt. i think this makes sense. there is something much bigger than just a hoax going on here. i guess we'll find out sooner or later.
 
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DI - if this "hoax" is true, then where is he? Surely someone would have seen him by now...??

I did see him, in the WATW25 video as Green Screen Man.


BTW about that, WATW25 is for charity. Why would you have the feature to insert yourself into the video? For entertainment reasons? For fun?
 
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I know. He's gonna pop out of the cake on August 29...
 
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If this a hoax, it must be planned so well that we would never ever have a clue about the place he is staying. If we had a clue, it would be a really crappy hoax.
 
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I did see him, in the WATW25 video as Green Screen Man.


BTW about that, WATW25 is for charity. Why would you have the feature to insert yourself into the video? For entertainment reasons? For fun?

good point DI... lol! we did see him.. btw there is no feature remember?? :p
O god DI i know u said u didnt particularly believe in the hoax a couple weeks ago, but u do now rite??
 
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Edit (I was wrong!) lol
 
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this hole thing is just driving my brain crazy...the hoax stuff...Murray stuff...coroners report stuff.....I just want Michael back!!!..:cry:
 
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I know... We all do :cry: I've been shifting back and forward with this whole hoax thing, but now I think there's just too much coincidencies on the table...
 
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If this a hoax, it must be planned so well that we would never ever have a clue about the place he is staying. If we had a clue, it would be a really crappy hoax.
:rofl:

michael tipped me off...he's at neverland rotfl

I hate when people actually ask.."so where's michael hiding at?!" How in the heck am I supposed to know? I'll let you know when I find out...or maybe I'll be too selfish and keep it to myself :cheeky:

I don't care If I never find out where he's hiding,actually. If I can confirm my gut feeling that this might have been some sort of faked death...I'll be somewhat rested and satisfied inside.
 
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I know... We all do :cry: I've been shifting back and forward with this whole hoax thing, but now I think there's just too much coincidencies on the table...

Same! Its actually driving me mental! But i definitly agree there are way too many inconsistancies for people to just overlook..

Keep the stuff coming DI :D
 
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Coincidence is the noteworthy alignment of two or more events or circumstances without obvious causal connection.

2 : the occurrence of events that happen at the same time by accident but seem to have some connection; also : any of these occurrences


This is more than just random accidents.
 
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Coincidence is the noteworthy alignment of two or more events or circumstances without obvious causal connection.

2 : the occurrence of events that happen at the same time by accident but seem to have some connection; also : any of these occurrences


This is more than just random accidents.

I must say that I have respected and found your post very helpful...thank you for this.....I hope and pray you are right on this...
 
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The autopsy report is fake.

Quote:
I got this from the Larry King Live blog. Very interesting points about a legal and legit autopsy. Please read

February 9th, 2010 10:42 pm ET

@truth4mj February 9th, 2010 10:35 pm ET

@All

I hardly ever post anything anymore but I am a medical transcriptionist and I can assure you the autopsy report listed online is not legally authentic. I have transcribed 1000s of these reports over the last 25 years and fully understand the legalities of these reports and their confidentiality when they are to be used in a criminal trial. The information contained in the autopsy that is posted online goes far beyond what is standard or customary which is unexplainable and only lends itself to more incredibility. There is also the use of three different names included on the autopsy, consults, toxicology and neuropathological testing: Michael Jackson, Michael J. Jackson, Michael Joseph Jackson, all under the same file name and case number. That is not standard and constitutes inconsistencies that point to its invalidity for the entire record. In addition to its inauthenticity the information regarding the neuropathological testing cannot be true as it is stated. The timelines reflected in those sections also grossly contradict the storyline that was reported by the media who said they got their information from the coroner. Autopsy reports are highly confidential documents when the information contained in them is to be used in a criminal trial. That is all I had to say.

I don't know.. :/ I didn't doubt it when I read it. I don't know what to think.

There are so many strange things.
 
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