MJ Wasnt Healthy

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terminally ill? how so? autopsy report says all the other things he had wouldn't kill him and not a contributing factor.

What I mean is that certain associates of Michael say he wasnt healthy, he wasnt capable of doing 50 shows, media was stating he had 6 months to live, he was loosing to much weight and wouldnt eat etc while the other 50% is saying that Michael was as fit as ever, was passing physicals etc as well as the autopsy report.

So 50% was saying he was in bad health and the other 50% are saying he is ok. We know what the autopsy says but no wonder public perception is confused.....heck we're all confused.

Geez people couldnt/cant make up their minds who was manager or not. Doesnt look like anybody was managing anything except self interest.
 
I'm no Oxman fan but in this instance I think what he's saying is that there is no evidence of a conspiracy, meaning he cannot prove a conspiracy. He's a lawyer, he can't go around and accuse people of murder or anything else without solid proof. Joe can say what he wants, nobody will bother to sue him, but Oxman can't. (And don't forget he's on probation too, one more reason for him to be careful or he could lose his licence.) So I don't know what his personal views are, but even if he believes there's a conspiracy, he's not in a position to say that right now.

Otherwise ITA.

He DID say he believes it was second degree murder.

But, I believe that if we dig a bit deeper into other people than just Murray, Thome for example, first degree can be proved. And to me, first degree is not conspiracy, it is truth.

What I mean is that certain associates of Michael say he wasnt healthy, he wasnt capable of doing 50 shows, media was stating he had 6 months to live, he was loosing to much weight and wouldnt eat etc while the other 50% is saying that Michael was as fit as ever, was passing physicals etc as well as the autopsy report.

The autopsy doesn't lie. And watching Michael in TII on june 24th, he looked great. And if someone doesn't get tired at rehearsals doing all that stuff, then they aren't normal. Michael was fine to me.
 
He DID say he believes it was second degree murder.

But, I believe that if we dig a bit deeper into other people than just Murray, Thome for example, first degree can be proved. And to me, first degree is not conspiracy, it is truth.



The autopsy doesn't lie. And watching Michael in TII on june 24th, he looked great. And if someone doesn't get tired at rehearsals doing all that stuff, then they aren't normal. Michael was fine to me.

great post.
 
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I still stand by this comparison being unfair and Wrong considering everything.
 
I still stand by this comparison being unfair and Wrong considering everything.

That picture is a joke and its actually the task of the person who created it to manipulate you into thinking he was unhealthy, seems these "fans" are getting worse than the media at using misconception and throwing white lies in.
 
I can't believe that picture comparison is being posted here. I hate it. It was created and seized upon by the media to emphasise their agenda that Michael was 'unhealthy.' The HIStory era was an era when he was built up and at his heaviest-it was one era. Compare it to a BAD era photo or Thriller era photo for example. Do I think that Michael was too thin, yes, but he was never unhealthy.
 
I can't believe that picture comparison is being posted here. I hate it. It was created and seized upon by the media to emphasise their agenda that Michael was 'unhealthy.' The HIStory era was an era when he was built up and at his heaviest-it was one era. Compare it to a BAD era photo or Thriller era photo for example. Do I think that Michael was too thin, yes, but he was never unhealthy.

Exactly, and the thing is fans keep putting it out there and ignoring the real facts and comparing it to more realistic pictures, look at this I did a while back

MJSkinny.jpg
 
Also once again let's remember that comparison photo has 2 pictures that are taken 12-13 years apart - not a realistic comparison at all.

The below one is much more realistic IMO.

Compare 2007 and 2009
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Thats the thing though, if he was unhealthy in that TII pic that everyone uses, he was also unhealthy in those pics that Birchey used, which just isn't the case.
 
I still stand by this comparison being unfair and Wrong considering everything.

Yes, clearly in the Dangerous Era, Michael was at the peak of his manhood.

And I guess all other skinny people like Michael are unhealthy.

Once again, it's people taking neutral or positive facts and twisting them against Michael to make it negative.
 
I havent read everyones posts on this as so tired but cant sleep as my mind just wont switch off!:doh:
This is my opinion.
Michael - the man we love and cherish. He admitted himself that he didnt eat when on tour. Yes he was prob underwieght, but not dangerously underweight!
His weight isnt an issue in my mind. People are using this as a distraction. :doh:
Sorry but how did he perform on TII the way he did if he was so frail as people are trying to portray?:(
No way! MJ was on the ball in every way. Articulate, lucid and in control.
End of.:angel:
 
Autopsy report, page 23..

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Can someone tell me what this means. Particularly -

- Marked respiratory bronchiolitis, histiocytic desquamation and multifocal chronic interstitial pneumonitis.

I searched 'multifocal chronic interstitial pneumonitis.' and 'marked respiratory bronchiolitis' on google and got some strange results. Which I can NOT see how they could have applied to Michael at all considering how we saw him singing and dancing in TII.

Respiratory bronchiolitis

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Respiratory bronchiolitis refers to a form of idiopathic interstitial pneumonia associated with smoking.[1]

Also I found 'Respiratory bronchiolitis-associated interstitial lung disease (RBILD) is a distinct clinicopathologic disease described almost exclusively in cigarette smokers' http://chestjournal.chestpubs.org/content/117/1/282.full



Also

Chronic Interstitial Pneumonia.

Synonyms.—Cirrhosis of the Lungs; Fibroid Pneumonia; Fibroid Induration.


Definition.—A chronic inflammation of the lungs, in which the normal air-cells are replaced by fibrous or connective tissue, followed by induration and atrophy of the lung.


Etiology.—It is not definitely known why fibroid changes take place in normal tissue following inflammatory conditions. The disease is nearly always secondary, the plastic exudate accompanying the primary lesion becoming organized into fibrous tissue in place of being removed by the absorbents. It may follow several pulmonary affections; thus, in lobar pneumonia, where resolution is long delayed, the exudate fills the air-cells, becomes organized, and the parenchyma of the lung is changed into fibrous or connective tissue.


Broncho-pneumonia often precedes the disease, while atelectasis and chronic bronchitis are not infrequently followed by cirrhosis of the lung.
Pleurisy.—Chronic pleurisy may be the forerunner of the lesion, the process of tissue formation extending into the lung from the thickened pleural membrane.
As a primary cause may be mentioned long-continued inhalation of different kinds of dust; thus we have cirrhosis or phthisis from the inhalation of dust in the stoneyard, or from workers in iron, brass, or coal, flour-mills, etc.


Pathology.—The disease is nearly always confined to one lung, though, in very rare cases, both lungs may be involved, while localized areas are the rule.
The affected lung becomes atrophied, and, in extreme cases, may be no larger than the closed hand, Anders recording a case where the measurements were only three by four inches. As a result of the shrinkage of lung-tissue, the heart, especially the right side, undergoes hypertrophy. The indurated lung presents a rough or nodular surface, is heavy, dense, tough, and resisting on section.
A cut surface shows the tissue dry and glistening and of varied appearance, according to the character of the irritant. The blood vessels are atrophied, and, in some cases, show but a trace of their character. The alveolar structure in extreme cases is replaced by fibrous tissue. When tuberculosis exists, cavities of varying size and number are found.
The fellow lung generally undergoes compensatory emphysema. The pleura is generally very much thickened, and adhesions more or less extensive between its free surfaces are found, and not infrequently between the pleura and pericardium.
Symptoms.—When the disease begins as an acute pneumonia, there is nothing in the earlier stages to suggest its fibroid character. The usual time for convalescence, from seven to ten days, having passed, and the dyspnea becoming a chief symptom, and the cough persistent or paroxysmal, the true nature of the disease should be suspected.
As it ordinarily begins, cough and dyspnea are among the first prominent symptoms. On slight exertion, as climbing stairs or rapid walking, the breathing becomes labored and hurried and the cough distressing. The patient gradually loses flesh and strength, and the common verdict is consumption. When the bronchi become dilated, the characteristic symptoms of bronchiectasis are present.
There is no fever; in fact, a subnormal temperature is quite common.


Physical Signs.—Inspection shows a retraction of the affected side, an obliteration of the intercostal spaces due to the ribs closing the opening, and an immobility of the affected side made prominent by mensuration. The heart will be inclined to the affected side. The chest wall is prominent on the sound side, due to compensatory emphysema.
Percussion.—Percussion shows a marked, difference in the two sides,—dullness or flatness on the affected side, with a tympanitic note where a cavity exists, or due to a dilated bronchus; on the opposite side there is hyper-resonance.
Auscultation.—Various sounds are revealed by auscultation. Where cavities exist, the cavernous or amphoric sound will be heard, otherwise the respiratory sound will be feeble and distant. Bronchial breathing is the rule.

Diagnosis.—The diagnosis is not readily made early in the disease, but as retraction of the affected side becomes prominent and the physical signs already noted are present, the diagnosis becomes easy.


Prognosis.—The disease is not curable, though life may be prolonged for years. Recurring bronchitis is apt to accompany the disease, and acute pneumonia of the opposite lung may terminate the life. Rarely, death results from failure of the right heart.


Treatment.—The treatment consists in securing a better nutrition and building up the general health; good, nutritious food, an outdoor life in a suitable climate, one where there is a maximum amount of sunshine, moderate altitude, and where the climate is dry.
The medicinal treatment will be symptomatic, selecting remedies for relief of cough and such other conditions as may arise.


http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/thomas/pneumonia-chr-int.html
 
Is it true that Oxman works for free in the case, just for the publicity,and Joe is keeping him because he can't afford to pay for a lawyer?
That would explain all this circus he is staging.
 
Exactly, and the thing is fans keep putting it out there and ignoring the real facts and comparing it to more realistic pictures, look at this I did a while back

MJSkinny.jpg

There is one big problem with this logic.
During Thriller and Bad, Michael was a very young man who hadn't filled out completely yet.
During the Dangerous era, Michael was a full-grown adult male with a normal adult physic.
He had that healthy filled out look right up until the trial. That was when he started loosing weight like crazy! That is when D*ick Gregory says Michael thought someone was trying to kill him, so he wasn't eating. Michael was way to thin for a man his age at the end of his life. I don't believe that had anything to do with his death but he was in no condition for a grueling concert run imo.
 
There is one big problem with this logic.
During Thriller and Bad, Michael was a very young man who hadn't filled out completely yet.
During the Dangerous era, Michael was a full-grown adult male with a normal adult physic.
He had that healthy filled out look right up until the trial. That was when he started loosing weight like crazy! That is when D*ick Gregory says Michael thought someone was trying to kill him, so he wasn't eating. Michael was way to thin for a man his age at the end of his life. I don't believe that had anything to do with his death but he was in no condition for a grueling concert run imo.

....During the Bad era, Michael was 30 years old....I think he was filled out and full grown adult male by that time! :scratch: Michael has ALWAYS been slim....but yes, I agree that at the age of 50, his size was WAY too thin...
 
Autopsy report, page 23..

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Can someone tell me what this means. Particularly -

- Marked respiratory bronchiolitis, histiocytic desquamation and multifocal chronic interstitial pneumonitis.

I searched 'multifocal chronic interstitial pneumonitis.' and 'marked respiratory bronchiolitis' on google and got some strange results. Which I can NOT see how they could have applied to Michael at all considering how we saw him singing and dancing in TII.

Respiratory bronchiolitis

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Respiratory bronchiolitis refers to a form of idiopathic interstitial pneumonia associated with smoking.[1]

Also I found 'Respiratory bronchiolitis-associated interstitial lung disease (RBILD) is a distinct clinicopathologic disease described almost exclusively in cigarette smokers' http://chestjournal.chestpubs.org/content/117/1/282.full



Also

Chronic Interstitial Pneumonia.

Synonyms.—Cirrhosis of the Lungs; Fibroid Pneumonia; Fibroid Induration.


Definition.—A chronic inflammation of the lungs, in which the normal air-cells are replaced by fibrous or connective tissue, followed by induration and atrophy of the lung.


Etiology.—It is not definitely known why fibroid changes take place in normal tissue following inflammatory conditions. The disease is nearly always secondary, the plastic exudate accompanying the primary lesion becoming organized into fibrous tissue in place of being removed by the absorbents. It may follow several pulmonary affections; thus, in lobar pneumonia, where resolution is long delayed, the exudate fills the air-cells, becomes organized, and the parenchyma of the lung is changed into fibrous or connective tissue.


Broncho-pneumonia often precedes the disease, while atelectasis and chronic bronchitis are not infrequently followed by cirrhosis of the lung.
Pleurisy.—Chronic pleurisy may be the forerunner of the lesion, the process of tissue formation extending into the lung from the thickened pleural membrane.
As a primary cause may be mentioned long-continued inhalation of different kinds of dust; thus we have cirrhosis or phthisis from the inhalation of dust in the stoneyard, or from workers in iron, brass, or coal, flour-mills, etc.


Pathology.—The disease is nearly always confined to one lung, though, in very rare cases, both lungs may be involved, while localized areas are the rule.
The affected lung becomes atrophied, and, in extreme cases, may be no larger than the closed hand, Anders recording a case where the measurements were only three by four inches. As a result of the shrinkage of lung-tissue, the heart, especially the right side, undergoes hypertrophy. The indurated lung presents a rough or nodular surface, is heavy, dense, tough, and resisting on section.
A cut surface shows the tissue dry and glistening and of varied appearance, according to the character of the irritant. The blood vessels are atrophied, and, in some cases, show but a trace of their character. The alveolar structure in extreme cases is replaced by fibrous tissue. When tuberculosis exists, cavities of varying size and number are found.
The fellow lung generally undergoes compensatory emphysema. The pleura is generally very much thickened, and adhesions more or less extensive between its free surfaces are found, and not infrequently between the pleura and pericardium.
Symptoms.—When the disease begins as an acute pneumonia, there is nothing in the earlier stages to suggest its fibroid character. The usual time for convalescence, from seven to ten days, having passed, and the dyspnea becoming a chief symptom, and the cough persistent or paroxysmal, the true nature of the disease should be suspected.
As it ordinarily begins, cough and dyspnea are among the first prominent symptoms. On slight exertion, as climbing stairs or rapid walking, the breathing becomes labored and hurried and the cough distressing. The patient gradually loses flesh and strength, and the common verdict is consumption. When the bronchi become dilated, the characteristic symptoms of bronchiectasis are present.
There is no fever; in fact, a subnormal temperature is quite common.


Physical Signs.—Inspection shows a retraction of the affected side, an obliteration of the intercostal spaces due to the ribs closing the opening, and an immobility of the affected side made prominent by mensuration. The heart will be inclined to the affected side. The chest wall is prominent on the sound side, due to compensatory emphysema.
Percussion.—Percussion shows a marked, difference in the two sides,—dullness or flatness on the affected side, with a tympanitic note where a cavity exists, or due to a dilated bronchus; on the opposite side there is hyper-resonance.
Auscultation.—Various sounds are revealed by auscultation. Where cavities exist, the cavernous or amphoric sound will be heard, otherwise the respiratory sound will be feeble and distant. Bronchial breathing is the rule.

Diagnosis.—The diagnosis is not readily made early in the disease, but as retraction of the affected side becomes prominent and the physical signs already noted are present, the diagnosis becomes easy.


Prognosis.—The disease is not curable, though life may be prolonged for years. Recurring bronchitis is apt to accompany the disease, and acute pneumonia of the opposite lung may terminate the life. Rarely, death results from failure of the right heart.


Treatment.—The treatment consists in securing a better nutrition and building up the general health; good, nutritious food, an outdoor life in a suitable climate, one where there is a maximum amount of sunshine, moderate altitude, and where the climate is dry.
The medicinal treatment will be symptomatic, selecting remedies for relief of cough and such other conditions as may arise.


http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/thomas/pneumonia-chr-int.html


Hi. Do your searches again and add lupus to the search words. You will quickly see that these conditions arise as a result of lupus - which Michael had. Hope that helps.
 
As for the first post,I wish that picture would fade away,I am glad I am not the only one who thinks it is ridiculous.
 
There is one big problem with this logic.
During Thriller and Bad, Michael was a very young man who hadn't filled out completely yet.
During the Dangerous era, Michael was a full-grown adult male with a normal adult physic.
He had that healthy filled out look right up until the trial. That was when he started loosing weight like crazy! That is when D*ick Gregory says Michael thought someone was trying to kill him, so he wasn't eating. Michael was way to thin for a man his age at the end of his life. I don't believe that had anything to do with his death but he was in no condition for a grueling concert run imo.



Like somebody else pointed out, Michael was 30 year's old during the BAD era, he was a fully grown man, despite what you just said. Also the problem with the logic you just tried to explain is this, if I'm not mistaken, that picture isn't from Dangerous, but History, a point in Michael's life where he put on weight and became more beefier than he had ever previously been. Now when you try to compare that with a man in his 50's and considering the circumstances, it's just not fair.
 
Like somebody else pointed out, Michael was 30 year's old during the BAD era, he was a fully grown man, despite what you just said. Also the problem with the logic you just tried to explain is this, if I'm not mistaken, that picture isn't from Dangerous, but History, a point in Michael's life where he put on weight and became more beefier than he had ever previously been. Now when you try to compare that with a man in his 50's and considering the circumstances, it's just not fair.

I agree with your post.Michael was thin in the BAD era...but that is how Michael always was...The History era...OMG...he looked absolutly beautiful with a little more meat on his bones. But did he FEEL good about himself that way?...Probably not seeing as like I said he was always thin. ...and the end of your post...I agree with 100 %.
 
Michael was 30 years old on the Bad tour, I think he's a fully grown man by then! Yes he was too thin for TII but he wasn't 'unhealthy.'
 
physical growth stops at the age of 23. Michael was a fully grown man by the time of Thriller.

his 1985 (age 27) driver's licence lists his weight as 120 lbs.
 
MJ did have health issues - that were dismissed over & over.

Quincy Jones dismissed them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB9T7mxRmAs&feature=fvw

but Joe, his father delayed him going to NY for the Wiz in 1977 for a blister on his lung. (I looked for the link & will post if I can find again, pretty sure it was in a Jet mag.)

Also in July 4 of 1977, according to this site:
http://love4mj.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/michaels-early-years-1977/

During an outing to Coney Island while visiting Jermaine’s home, Michael suffered an attack of pneumothorax and was rushed to the hospital.


On 2-15-2005 during jury selection he went to the hospital for flu like symptoms & rec'd IV fluids by Dr. Chuck Merrill.
link:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1028078,00.html

DD was on CTV suggesting that he may have been faking it.
 
MJ did have health issues - that were dismissed over & over.

Quincy Jones dismissed them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB9T7mxRmAs&feature=fvw

but Joe, his father delayed him going to NY for the Wiz in 1977 for a blister on his lung. (I looked for the link & will post if I can find again, pretty sure it was in a Jet mag.)

Also in July 4 of 1977, according to this site:
http://love4mj.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/michaels-early-years-1977/

During an outing to Coney Island while visiting Jermaine’s home, Michael suffered an attack of pneumothorax and was rushed to the hospital.


On 2-15-2005 during jury selection he went to the hospital for flu like symptoms & rec'd IV fluids by Dr. Chuck Merrill.
link:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1028078,00.html

DD was on CTV suggesting that he may have been faking it.

If I were to say that I also got some flu-like symptoms back in 1991 and went to the doctor, would you call me unhealthy now? Only difference between Michael's story and mine is that when Michael goes to the doctor, it gets reported all over the world... hence the reason we're lifting information from articles published in 1977. If Michael had a blister on his lung in 1977, it would have been treated back in 1977. The pneumothorax would have been dealt with when he was rushed to the hospital. Same with the flu-like symptoms in 2005. He received IV fluids according to your post, so yes, he was treated for it, until (I assume) he recovered.

This isn't a case of a guy dying from pneumonia or terminal illness. Michael Jackson would still be alive if Murray didn't inject him with Propofol.
 
Yes...he would be here if it wasn"t for that creature Murray.
But as much as I endlesly love Michael, I don"t think he would go through all 50 shows.
In TII we have seen so little of supposedly over 100 hours of footage. No way...they would have TII 2 by now if things were as "they" say. That is my strong belief.
He looked wonderful but he was frail and the shows did not even begin. He lost so much weight it was unbeliavable. I can not imagine him working so hard for 50 nights.
I wanted him to stay home and writte songs, even with all that Michaelmania in O2.
What really is behind all this...I hope time will tell.
 
Yes...he would be here if it wasn"t for that creature Murray.
But as much as I endlesly love Michael, I don"t think he would go through all 50 shows.
In TII we have seen so little of supposedly over 100 hours of footage. No way...they would have TII 2 by now if things were as "they" say. That is my strong belief.
He looked wonderful but he was frail and the shows did not even begin. He lost so much weight it was unbeliavable. I can not imagine him working so hard for 50 nights.
I wanted him to stay home and writte songs, even with all that Michaelmania in O2.
What really is behind all this...I hope time will tell.

Preparing and planning a show is a big task. You've got rehearsals. You've got pressure. You've got people working around the clock, you've got things that need to be done and approved, you have to come up with concepts, you have to find directors, costume designers, you have to think about special effects, and pyrotechnics and you're stressed out because you're worried about how you're going to get everything done on time and how you'll manage it all. Trust me when I say that performing the actual show is the easy part! It's the 8 hour working days, the trying to get everything finalised, the inability to sleep at night because you have a show to plan, the wishing you could be at 10 places at once because you're trying to invest yourself in a show but at the same time dedicate your time to your children, the meetings in the mornings, followed by doctors appointments, followed by sessions with the choreographer and and vocal coach, followed by hair and make-up, followed by hours of dancing and singing, coming home after one in the morning and having to get up the next day and be willing to do it all over again... that's the hard part about being a performer.

Performing the shows in front of the audience is, as I said before, the easy part. It's like the light at the end of the tunnel. That's what everyone is working so hard for. You and everyone else do it all for that moment on stage. It's like a drug that you crave for. You work and you work and you step on that stage it's the most amazing feeling in the world. I wish I could explain it better. Have you ever seen singers go "this will be my last show" and 10 years later they're still performing everywhere? I'm not sure any performer, who was born to entertain people could just give up performing like that. Taking the stage away from an entertainer is like taking a voice away from a singer. One of my cousins was dancer. She was told she couldn't dance again due to an injury. She ignored the advise, she lived her life dancing, to become a dancer, to have that moment on stage, she couldn't stop. She continued to dance, until she danced her way into a wheelchair. She was willing to sacrifice her health and well being, all for that little moment on stage. It was all worth it to her.

Michael lived his life as a performer. He had to sleep with a spotlight on him. He would close his eyes while he was laying in his bed and see himself on stage and imagine that people were cheering for him. He would see the entire show in his head. He would feel the energy of the crowd, the heat from the lights, it was that moment that he longed for. He spoke about being jittery and agitated when not performing, almost like going through withdrawals. After years of not performing, you could bet your bottom dollar that he would work himself to the point of exhaustion, to the point of anorexia, to the point of insomnia, to the point where he sacrificed his health and well being, all to have that moment on stage again.

That's what I saw when I watched TII. He longed for the stage. He killed himself trying to get there.

People say, well why didn't they cancel the shows? why didn't they do something when they saw him so thin? why didn't they intervene? They don't understand. He was longing for the stage. Compare it to something we can all relate to... We're all longing for Michael, right? If I told you that you could bring Michael back for an hour and a half if you win a marathon, would you do it? Would you train to the point of anorexia, to the point of insomnia, to the point where you sacrificed your health and well being, all to have Michael here again? Even for a moment? You're getting skinnier and skinnier. You're not eating, you're not sleeping. You've been training for weeks. After all that, how could I possibly say to you, "ok, we're going to cancel this marathon. You're getting too thin, you're not sleeping at night, I'm worried. No marathon. I'm sorry." Even if I was able to say that to you, how would you respond? would you say "You can't cancel the marathon! I've worked so hard for this! I would do it even if it kills me. I've been aching for Michael for so long. I need this... please." I'm sorry to use such an example, but I'm trying to relate it to people who don't know what performers are like, and who don't understand what they would do and sacrifice for an hour and a half on a stage in front of an audience. How unfair would it be to Michael if Kenny O or Randy Phillips went up to him and said, "well I'm going to take away your shows and your MOMENT on that stage" after Michael went through so much agony and stress just to experience that moment on the stage?
 
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Preparing and planning a show is a big task. You've got rehearsals. You've got pressure. You've got people working around the clock, you've got things that need to be done and approved, you have to come up with concepts, you have to find directors, costume designers, you have to think about special effects, and pyrotechnics and you're stressed out because you're worried about how you're going to get everything done on time and how you'll manage it all. Trust me when I say that performing the actual show is the easy part! It's the 8 hour working days, the trying to get everything finalised, the inability to sleep at night because you have a show to plan, the wishing you could be at 10 places at once because you're trying to invest yourself in a show but at the same time dedicate your time to your children, the meetings in the mornings, followed by doctors appointments, followed by sessions with the choreographer and and vocal coach, followed by hair and make-up, followed by hours of dancing and singing, coming home after one in the morning and having to get up the next day and be willing to do it all over again... that's the hard part about being a performer. Performing the shows in front of the audience is, as I said before, the easy part. It's like the light at the end of the tunnel. That's what everyone is working so hard for. You and everyone else do it all for that moment on stage. It's like a drug that you crave for. You work and you work and you step on that stage it's the most amazing feeling in the world. I wish I could explain it better. Have you ever seen singers go "this will be my last show" and 10 years later they're still performing everywhere? I'm not sure any performer, who was born to entertain people could just give up performing like that. Taking the stage away from an entertainer is like taking a voice away from a singer. One of my cousins was dancer. She was told she couldn't dance again due to an injury. She ignored the advise, she lived her life dancing, to become a dancer, to have that moment on stage, she couldn't stop. She continued to dance, until she danced her way into a wheelchair. She was willing to sacrifice her health and well being, all for that little moment on stage. It was all worth it to her.

Michael lived his life as a performer. He had to sleep with a spotlight on him. He would close his eyes while he was laying in his bed and see himself on stage and imagine that people were cheering for him. He would see the entire show in his head. He would feel the energy of the crowd, the heat from the lights, it was that moment that he longed for. He spoke about being jittery and agitated when not performing, almost like going through withdrawals. After years of not performing, you could bet your bottom dollar that he would work himself to the point of exhaustion, to the point of anorexia, to the point of insomnia, to the point where he sacrificed his health and well being, all to have that moment on stage again.

That's what I saw when I watched TII. He longed for the stage. He killed himself trying to get there.


not every performer is like that. we can't determine Michael by others. Michael had such massive success that people were exploiting him. it's not hard to determine he might want to get away from it. he was away from it for a long time to raise kids. he could have been trapped. so we can't determine he killed himself trying to get back on stage. not everybody has the same reaction to a thing. we can't keep making the mistake of saying we knew MJ, because we didn't. even if we had relatives that did the same thing.
 
I agree with vncwilliam.I don"t know what was going through Michael"s mind during rehearsals and nobody knows how he really felt. Maybe he wanted them....but we discused some issues before. He performed for more than 40 years.
He seemed tired to me.Like I said...I wanted him to stay home with his kids, writte beautiful songs for us and eventualy make a few performances.
There isn"t one day that I don"t regret TII. Just don"t get me wrong, you know what I mean.
I saw so many greedy people around Michael and they are still there. He is not.
Why...oh, why....?
 
I agree with vncwilliam.I don"t know what was going through Michael"s mind during rehearsals and nobody knows how he really felt. Maybe he wanted them....
100% :agree:

It is just that. And everything is speculation about what was going on in Michael's life. I'm sure there are many things we do not know. It is very difficult to say how was the life of Michael, what he was feeling and thinking. But I know one day the truth will appear to us, anyway.
 
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