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Your Opinion - Could MJ Have Done All Fifty Shows?

Could MJ Have Done All Fifty Shows?

  • HELL YES!! He could have done 50 AND MORE! (please explain below)

    Votes: 104 21.4%

  • Yeah, I think he was ready for 50, with the breaks here and there. (please explain below)

    Votes: 248 51.0%

  • No, he was not healthy enough to do 50 shows. (please explain below)

    Votes: 134 27.6%
  • Total voters
    486
Re: So...do you guys think he could have done all 50 shows?

He could have done it, but it would have totally sucked for him. Thats quite a demanding schedule for a dancer at his age. If he was just a singer who stood there all night than it would be fine. But we all know that as soon as the lights came up and the music hit his bones, MJ would dance until his feet fell off...that's just how he was. And he would feel the exhaustion and pain when he got home. I don't know why they would even suggest that many shows. It was a farewell tour to begin with...should have been 5-10 shows max. Thats just my opinion.
 
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Yeah, I think Michael could've done all the 50 shows. Only if had breaks here and there! Come on, don't wear the man out by not letting him take breaks!!!
 
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mo_rizwan said:
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Surreal those dates. :(
 
Re: So...do you guys think he could have done all 50 shows?

Rockin. said:
I think this thread is pretty pointless and I'm surprised its still open because:

1) It causes arguments and negitivity
2) Nobody will ever know
3) MJ is dead so..
4) There will never be a conclusive answer/opinion and the thread will go round in circles

Perhaps the point is not whether he could but rather whether he wanted to.

I will say Randy Phillips told us himself that Michael went to sleep knowing he had 10 shows and woke up with 50, even though Michael was supposed to have signed a contract for 31 shows. Perhaps he had signed for 31 but they had talked about 10 and agreed on that initially to see how demand was.. when they saw they were selling out AEG decided to raise the number. Randy also told us that at one point Michael said (and he put on a high pitched voice on tv to mimic MJ whilst saying this) 'No Randy, no more shows, no more shows'.

Anyway this topic is so exhausted and it doesn't matter anymore... MJ is gone thats all I care about.. I wish these concerts were never planned, then he'd still be here.
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Bump..........everybody needs to read this!!!!!!!!!!!

"I wish these concerts were never planned, then he'd still be here." - I believe when a persons time is up, its up. When God wants somebody in heaven, then there's nothing we can do about it! - That's just fate!!!






ADMIN.....can you lock this thread now!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Krshna28 said:
Bump..........everybody needs to read this!!!!!!!!!!!

"I wish these concerts were never planned, then he'd still be here." - I believe when a persons time is up, its up. When God wants somebody in heaven, then there's nothing we can do about it! - That's just fate!!!






ADMIN.....can you lock this thread now!!!!!!!!!!
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Do you know what? I have avoided this thread like the plague as the old wise cliche is if you dont like it then dont read it let alone post in it!:doh:
For some strange reason I found myself reading this thread despite seeing it many many times when on here...............
I've never posted in this thread before as to me it truely seems too upsetting to even think about...........:(
Whether or not MJ could have done all 50 shows?
It wasnt something I could or wanted to comment on.......only posting now as this last comment is one I do humbly and sadly agree with.:(
 
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AliciaJ said:
He could have done it, but it would have totally sucked for him. Thats quite a demanding schedule for a dancer at his age. If he was just a singer who stood there all night than it would be fine. But we all know that as soon as the lights came up and the music hit his bones, MJ would dance until his feet fell off...that's just how he was. And he would feel the exhaustion and pain when he got home. I don't know why they would even suggest that many shows. It was a farewell tour to begin with...should have been 5-10 shows max. Thats just my opinion.
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the answer is simple - money
but people say how could he get caught up in a situation like that but they forget MJ was in a vulnerable situation with no real managers or representatives, guys like Thome didn't have his best interest in mind
at the end of the day MJ died because of greed not because he was not healthy, the pressure on him was insane everyone wanted a piece of him. and AEG can repeat that MJ was more than happy with their plans until they get blue in the face I'm still not going to believe them
 
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I don't understand people asking for this thread to be closed, if you don't like it don't open it again, i don't have much interest myself in it i mean like you all have said nobody really knows and it is all speculation but i see no problem in others discussing it and i will look in every so often and see if there are any decent points made.
 
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IMo i dont think he would hav been able 2 do all 50.. i just dont know..:(
 
Re: So...do you guys think he could have done all 50 shows?

Maybe yes. I wish. It was my turn to see him for the first time. Sigh.
 
Re: So...do you guys think he could have done all 50 shows?

It's really hard to say. I am sure he wanted, was capable and would've done all 27 concerts last year and all 23 this year and even more.
BUT at the same time I'm convinced that if nothing about that treatment given to Michael changed and Murray came with him to the UK, "June 25" would've happened sooner or later.

Money?
Every two hours spent on stage was MILLIONS in cash for Michael that he could've spent on anything he wanted - even on developing the movie projects he always dreamed about. It was the easiest and (at that point in his career) the only possible way for him to earn big money.

And besides, don't tell me MJ didn't crave fame and admiration that would've come with TII. It was Michael Jackson. Admiration and fame were his drugs.
 
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Of Course he could!!!! he was MICHAEL JACKSON !!!!!!!! When I was young I remember for World Tours they used to last Forever.


"This is it broke my heart!!!!"
 
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snowhite said:
the answer is simple - money
but people say how could he get caught up in a situation like that but they forget MJ was in a vulnerable situation with no real managers or representatives, guys like Thome didn't have his best interest in mind
at the end of the day MJ died because of greed not because he was not healthy, the pressure on him was insane everyone wanted a piece of him. and AEG can repeat that MJ was more than happy with their plans until they get blue in the face I'm still not going to believe them
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Thank you.

Exactly money. They do everything for it. Yes believe me...even the closest people you know, even family members don't give a shit about you. Why even start talking about other people?

They have seen Michaels health, they knew how many shows, they knew how much pressure he had. They knew he wasn't able to do 50 shows.
And voila "This is it" bluray, 100 hours edited into 2 hours.

For one second think about HIM not your desire, your dream to have seen him live on date X.
I know fans love him...but I also know the reactions when some dates where rescheduled
 
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He was a human being... the breaks between the concerts were inhuman! His concerts are always full of action, full of dancing. He used to lose too much weigh during the tours. The breaks should be longer!

Michael was always a very good and perfectionist professional, but he'd been away from the tours for a long time... and I think that no one could ever stand such an exhausting routine... The greed and selfishness of the ones who were around him drive me mad!
 
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I voted no, and the only reason I did is because of Michael's own words.
"No more shows,no more shows".
IMO he could do up to 10, max.
 
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Maria MJ said:
I voted no, and the only reason I did is because of Michael's own words.
"No more shows,no more shows".
IMO he could do up to 10, max.
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I agree. I believe 10 shows Michael managed to do perfectly. The dates of the 50 shows was very inhumane and I believe that Michael tried to change those dates. I feel that there is something very obscure behind TII which is still far from our eyes.
 
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Maria MJ said:
I voted no, and the only reason I did is because of Michael's own words.
"No more shows,no more shows".
IMO he could do up to 10, max.
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I agree Maria. Sadly, it is ultimately Michael's own words that convinces me too.

"I don't know how I'm going to do 50 shows. I'm not a big eater - I need to put some weight on."

He added: "I'm really angry with them booking me up to do 50 shows. I only wanted to do 10, and take the tour around the world to other cities, not 50 in one place.

"I went to bed knowing I sold 10 dates, and woke up to the news I was booked to do 50."
 
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I have no idea so I havent voted..

I want to believe that if he intended to do the shows, then he would have been able to go through with it.

EDIT: I've thought of something in this regard. Michael wanted TII to be perfect, so if he said yes to something then it would most certainly be things he wanted and could go through with.

But then theres the speculations that the 50 shows where decided behind his back. And if he felt like he could'nt go through with more than 10 shows, and then to find out that fans around the world had bought tickets for 40 more shows.. phew, how do you deal with that.. :no:
 
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dirtydiana27 said:
I agree Maria. Sadly, it is ultimately Michael's own words that convinces me too.

"I don't know how I'm going to do 50 shows. I'm not a big eater - I need to put some weight on."

He added: "I'm really angry with them booking me up to do 50 shows. I only wanted to do 10, and take the tour around the world to other cities, not 50 in one place.

"I went to bed knowing I sold 10 dates, and woke up to the news I was booked to do 50."
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Where/When did he say this?! :bugeyed
I always thought that was a rumor..
 
Re: So...do you guys think he could have done all 50 shows?

If MJ didnt think he could do it, then why do we? MJ didnt want to do 50!
 
Re: So...do you guys think he could have done all 50 shows?

i've never known any musical act or group to be able to deal with what aeg was planning..it was way more than fifty shows, and it was done in sneaky fashion. more money was flashing in the eyes of aeg and sony than in the eyes of anyone, ever, for any event.
 
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well Michael said it to the Follower Fans...and I believe them...why would they lie???..what do they have to gain..absolutely nothing...also there was that video that was going around of Michael saying he only agreed to do 10 shows....then it was taken down very quickly...people have no reason to lie about what they were told by Michael personally....and what they saw on the video.
 
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xthunderx2 said:
well Michael said it to the Follower Fans...and I believe them...why would they lie???..what do they have to gain..absolutely nothing...also there was that video that was going around of Michael saying he only agreed to do 10 shows....then it was taken down very quickly...people have no reason to lie about what they were told by Michael personally....and what they saw on the video.
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FF's have been causing a stir since Michael passed, some of which placed this negative cloud over Michael's fans in terms of sharing thoughts (media seems to believe all of his fans share the same opinion on what he could and couldn't do). And I'm not saying this is the case with FF's but personal gain shouldn't be dismissed in a situation like this, I've also looked for the mentioned video, but understand it was taken down for whatever reason, and it isn't viewable anywhere. With that said, it's still a speculated rumor, as there's nothing that shows when Michael actually made that statement. Don't get me wrong here, I don't doubt that Michael once said that, and with his previous statements about touring, I'm now certain that 50 shows isn't what he initially had in mind, but he eventually eased up to the idea after thinking he had no other choice. I don't believe he had the thought of "this WILL kill me" while rehearsing for it and during his own personal time.
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
FF's have been causing a stir since Michael passed, some of which placed this negative cloud over Michael's fans in terms of sharing thoughts (media seems to believe all of his fans share the same opinion on what he could and couldn't do). And I'm not saying this is the case with FF's but personal gain shouldn't be dismissed in a situation like this, I've also looked for the mentioned video, but understand it was taken down for whatever reason, and it isn't viewable anywhere. With that said, it's still a speculated rumor, as there's nothing that shows when Michael actually made that statement. Don't get me wrong here, I don't doubt that Michael once said that, and with his previous statements about touring, I'm now certain that 50 shows isn't what he initially had in mind, but he eventually eased up to the idea after thinking he had no other choice. I don't believe he had the thought of "this WILL kill me" while rehearsing for it and during his own personal time.
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I agree with you here...:agree:
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
FF's have been causing a stir since Michael passed, some of which placed this negative cloud over Michael's fans in terms of sharing thoughts (media seems to believe all of his fans share the same opinion on what he could and couldn't do). And I'm not saying this is the case with FF's but personal gain shouldn't be dismissed in a situation like this, I've also looked for the mentioned video, but understand it was taken down for whatever reason, and it isn't viewable anywhere. With that said, it's still a speculated rumor, as there's nothing that shows when Michael actually made that statement. Don't get me wrong here, I don't doubt that Michael once said that, and with his previous statements about touring, I'm now certain that 50 shows isn't what he initially had in mind, but he eventually eased up to the idea after thinking he had no other choice. I don't believe he had the thought of "this WILL kill me" while rehearsing for it and during his own personal time.
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FF's have no reason for personal gain when they are saying this. AEG has alot to gain & protect in this situation. Dileo acknowledged that MJ said it (multiple times) - he said MJ was joking or something to that effect- I believe he said it in the Raffles interview.
To me that means that for Dileo to admit it, alot of people had to have heard it. Of course the printed word alone does not give tone, so the video is very important, witnesses too.
 
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I honestly never understood why so much hate for TINI.I am not saying I believe all they are saying ( because I don"t even believe myself anymore ) But...Sony, AEG and all of them have much more reasons to fabricate the truth. What would be FF"s reason..they are ppl who loved Michael and I have seen some old pictures of them and Michael.
But I do believe Michael did not want to do 50. He felt he had to, but he did not want that.I don"t understand why some fans don"t even want to think about what maybe really happened.I am not saying I know but I know a lot from Michael"s own mouth.
I believe him.There are soooooo many controversy about TII. Why ? Because everything is blury and TII is the reason why Michael is not here now.
 
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also the Follower fans have no personal agenda....they say what they say...which is the truth out of love for Michael...also take Karen Faye in that interview,,,,seh herself is lieing....she is saying that she thought that Michael was to thin and that he looked sick and that she went to :the powers that be"...to speak her peace. The real truth???......The follower fans went to Karen and expressed their concerns for Michael's health...and ya know what she said to them??.....She said ''Oh please dont say anything about that to him..it will upset him".......So you see it WAS the follower fans that had Michael's best interest at heart...Not these people you see in this video..ok I will say Karen Faye....as far as she was concerned..she had been signed to another contract with Michael and she was going to London. You have to understand the relationship between Karen and Michael...it is sooo obvious that Karen always thought of Michael as more than a friend/client......she loved Michael...like LOVED Michael......If she would of said something to Michael and was not so affraid to "upset him"....as she said...then Michael might still be here today. ..Thats all.
 
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dirtydiana27 said:
I agree Maria. Sadly, it is ultimately Michael's own words that convinces me too.

"I don't know how I'm going to do 50 shows. I'm not a big eater - I need to put some weight on."

He added: "I'm really angry with them booking me up to do 50 shows. I only wanted to do 10, and take the tour around the world to other cities, not 50 in one place.

"I went to bed knowing I sold 10 dates, and woke up to the news I was booked to do 50."
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I also voted no because I saw Michael say these words.
That along with the people who were close to him saying he wasn't healthy enough. They have no reason to lie, the ones trying to say he was in great health are the one playing CYA.
I think all anyone should need to do is look at Michael from the time he did the 02 press conference, until that last day of TII footage. He didn't look healthy anymore. He had known health problems. He had dancers feet which caused him such unbearable pain at times he was in a wheel chair, he had trouble with his lungs, he had trouble with his back he was under weight. Now, I do not believe any of those things would have caused his death, but there was no way he could have done those 50 shows. He was human after all.
 
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