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I saw a little bit of Prince at the BET awards. I wish they would have let him perform instead of that average tribute. His acceptance speech left me scratching my head. I dont think Ill ever understand why great artists, the great legends praise the artists of this todays industry so much. Are they just doing it for t.v.? They must be because the stuff Prince was saying I was surprised he would even said and was very much exaggerated. There really is no future in this pop industry today unless the industry makes alot of changes.
 
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mjscarousal said:
His acceptance speech left me scratching my head. I dont think Ill ever understand why great artists, the great legends praise the artists of this todays industry so much. Are they just doing it for t.v.? They must be because the stuff Prince was saying I was surprised he would even said and was very much exaggerated. There really is no future in this pop industry today unless the industry makes alot of changes.
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This is a song from his 2009 album MPLSound. This is most likely his real opinion about some of today's acts. Prince didn't even show up to the awards until about 30 minutes before his award was given. If you seen his expression when that guy did a little bit of Purple Rain earlier before the tribute, Prince didn't look impressed, lol. Also, Prince picked the people who participated in his tribute. It's highly unlikely Esperanza Spalding, Chaka Khan, or Patti LaBelle would have been invited otherwise. I doubt that even Janelle Monae would have been picked. BET probably would have had Usher, Trina, & Ciara do the tribute, lol.

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DuranDuran said:
This is a song from his 2009 album MPLSound. This is most likely his real opinion about some of today's acts. Prince didn't even show up to the awards until about 30 minutes before his award was given. If you seen his expression when that guy did a little bit of Purple Rain earlier before the tribute, Prince didn't look impressed, lol. Also, Prince picked the people who participated in his tribute. It's highly unlikely Esperanza Spalding, Chaka Khan, or Patti LaBelle would have been invited otherwise. I doubt that even Janelle Monae would have been picked. BET probably would have had Usher, Trina, & Ciara do the tribute, lol.

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I've actually read an interview where Prince specifically refers to Jonalle Monae and Esperanza Spalding, so yes you're quite right.
 
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BONGANI said:
I've actually read an interview where Prince specifically refers to Jonalle Monae and Esperanza Spalding, so yes you're quite right.
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Yeah Prince is only going pick people he likes or admires to perform for him, not just people who are popular. They're not big names, and Esperanza is a jazz artist, which gets no pop or R&B recognition.
 
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mjscarousal said:
I saw a little bit of Prince at the BET awards. I wish they would have let him perform instead of that average tribute. His acceptance speech left me scratching my head. I dont think Ill ever understand why great artists, the great legends praise the artists of this todays industry so much. Are they just doing it for t.v.? They must be because the stuff Prince was saying I was surprised he would even said and was very much exaggerated. There really is no future in this pop industry today unless the industry makes alot of changes.
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He couldn't play the "old geezer" role at his tribute. lol He could have gone that route, because his views on the current state of "pop" music haven't changed much in the last 15 years (or forever, lol, judging by his interviews), but I guess outta respect for BET, he kinda put a muzzle on the "real music/real musicians" thing for a night. Plus, the artists involved in the tribute were Prince-approved.
 
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I'm not a huge Prince fan myself, but I'm definitely buying his new album tomorrow :) My favourite song by him is 'Housequake' on Sign 'O' the Times :)
 
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So did anyone else read the Prince articles in the current edition of Ebony? What did you think of it? Prince is ever elusive and quite funny in the Q&A section.
 
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I bought today The Ultimate Prince Collection (2 cd's for 10€!) I'm really getting into his music!
 
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Love.him said:
So did anyone else read the Prince articles in the current edition of Ebony? What did you think of it? Prince is ever elusive and quite funny in the Q&A section.
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This dude got a cover and gave up virtually no new information! This isn't the first time though lol Only Prince can do that. I think the folks at Ebony just wanted an excuse to hang out with the guy. lol
 
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That "Mountains/Shake Your Body" medley was AWESOME! I could tell it was coming cos I could hear the SYB riff in the music, but it still made me smile when they started singing :)
 
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I'm currently listening to 20Ten album. First song, Compassion, is currently playing. Sounds good. :)
 
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Ramzy said:
Prince Michael JACKSON Tribute ! Strange :)
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Thanks! I thought they were never going to start singing haha. Is there a video that shows the whole tribute? This one ends too quickly.
 
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DuranDuran said:
This is a song from his 2009 album MPLSound. This is most likely his real opinion about some of today's acts. Prince didn't even show up to the awards until about 30 minutes before his award was given. If you seen his expression when that guy did a little bit of Purple Rain earlier before the tribute, Prince didn't look impressed, lol. Also, Prince picked the people who participated in his tribute. It's highly unlikely Esperanza Spalding, Chaka Khan, or Patti LaBelle would have been invited otherwise. I doubt that even Janelle Monae would have been picked. BET probably would have had Usher, Trina, & Ciara do the tribute, lol.

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LOL right but I know he didnt pick Trey Songz and Alicia Keys... Alicia was exactly a descent artist BACK in the days I just dont know what happened with her. LOL he was telling the truth in that song. He really sugar coated in that acceptance speech though because his usually preaching the opposite but I dunno why the legends do that. They NEED to tell the truth, so these artists out now will step there game up. There always taling B.S. I cant stand that.
 
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mjscarousal said:
LOL right but I know he didnt pick Trey Songz and Alicia Keys... Alicia was exactly a descent artist BACK in the days I just dont know what happened with her. LOL he was telling the truth in that song. He really sugar coated in that acceptance speech though because his usually preaching the opposite but I dunno why the legends do that. They NEED to tell the truth, so these artists out now will step there game up. There always taling B.S. I cant stand that.
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I don't think it's the acts fault per se, in a lot of cases they just do what the labels tell them to, and it's always been that way. Remember the act is an employee of the record label and don't really have any power. The labels are the one putting out the music and they're just trying to meet quotas and please the stockholders. The way people get music is different from the past. There was no internet in the past where millions of people can just download songs for free. The only way to do that in the old days was to shoplift an album from the store or record a friend's album on a cassette or 8-track, which is a small percentage of people. Home recording didn't hurt sales much. Since a lot of people are stealing music today, there isn't much of an incentive for labels to spend a lot of money on something that is not likely to sell. But they're hurting themselves in the long run. A lot of the labels money comes from their back catalogue, moreso than the new releases. That is why they continue to repackage & remaster old acts like Elvis Presley, Nat King Cole, The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, The Police, 1960s Motown, etc. Today's stuff is throwaway and is not going to remembered 10 years from now. So the catalogue value of it is not going to be much. Very little of modern music is remade by other acts, which is why a catalogue like the one Mike or Paul McCartney owns is valuable. The most popular music today is rap, and rap songs can't really be covered by someone else. So it's publishing value isn't that much. Also very few rap acts albums have a long shelf life and sell years after it was released like other genres such as rock or pop, maybe Run-DMC, the Beastie Boys, and a few others. Sampling is a big moneymaker for labels, acts, & songwriters. When somebody samples music, they don't sample new stuff, it's always old (and sometimes forgotten) classic records. If Mike's ATV catalogue consisted of all songs by Akon, Creed, Britney Spears, or Lil Wayne instead of The Beatles, Sly Stone, Dion, & other old classic acts it would be worthless, lol.
 
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An interesting thing I thought about was that Prince never did a complete musical tribute to Michael without others doing most of the singing. Maybe there's a video showing otherwise, but being a Prince admirer I tend to think that Prince felt it would not be cool to do a Michael cover completely himself. He paid tribute to Michael in a roundabout way, to me that indicated that he could/would never consider stepping in Michael's shoes directly.

Being a fan of both artists, I do believe Prince holds much respect to Michael and his talent, and as such, goes about his shows/performances in a way that displays Michael's music through his accompanying singers. I'm not sure how to convey this, but it's like he doesn't want to compete with Michael's legacy, but to acknowledge it without completely taking over the music that was Michael's onstage. jmo

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I had a dream about Prince last night. LOL how odd :lol:
 
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DuranDuran said:
I don't think it's the acts fault per se, in a lot of cases they just do what the labels tell them to, and it's always been that way. Remember the act is an employee of the record label and don't really have any power. The labels are the one putting out the music and they're just trying to meet quotas and please the stockholders. The way people get music is different from the past. There was no internet in the past where millions of people can just download songs for free. The only way to do that in the old days was to shoplift an album from the store or record a friend's album on a cassette or 8-track, which is a small percentage of people. Home recording didn't hurt sales much. Since a lot of people are stealing music today, there isn't much of an incentive for labels to spend a lot of money on something that is not likely to sell. But they're hurting themselves in the long run. A lot of the labels money comes from their back catalogue, moreso than the new releases. That is why they continue to repackage & remaster old acts like Elvis Presley, Nat King Cole, The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, The Police, 1960s Motown, etc. Today's stuff is throwaway and is not going to remembered 10 years from now. So the catalogue value of it is not going to be much. Very little of modern music is remade by other acts, which is why a catalogue like the one Mike or Paul McCartney owns is valuable. The most popular music today is rap, and rap songs can't really be covered by someone else. So it's publishing value isn't that much. Also very few rap acts albums have a long shelf life and sell years after it was released like other genres such as rock or pop, maybe Run-DMC, the Beastie Boys, and a few others. Sampling is a big moneymaker for labels, acts, & songwriters. When somebody samples music, they don't sample new stuff, it's always old (and sometimes forgotten) classic records. If Mike's ATV catalogue consisted of all songs by Akon, Creed, Britney Spears, or Lil Wayne instead of The Beatles, Sly Stone, Dion, & other old classic acts it would be worthless, lol.
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I understand that but why do they lie to the masses? Why cant they just do as they please with out them making it seem like artists do more than what they exactly do. Nobody writes, produces, or comes up with there own material today speaking on the artists part.The labels lie by writing credits to the artists in the booklets, to the public and the media as well, Why?
It makes it seem as if artists have control even though like you said they really dont and it takes away from those artists that exactly have creative input in there music.
 
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mjscarousal said:
I understand that but why do they lie to the masses? Why cant they just do as they please with out them making it seem like artists do more than what they exactly do. Nobody writes, produces, or comes up with there own material today speaking on the artists part.The labels lie by writing credits to the artists in the booklets, to the public and the media as well, Why?
It makes it seem as if artists have control even though like you said they really dont and it takes away from those artists that exactly have creative input in there music.
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I don't think the average listener cares who writes the songs and neither does the record labels. A performer or songwriter can list their dog as a songwriter (and some have) as long as they turn in an album. Adding names to writing credits is nothing new. Elvis never wrote anything, but Colonel Parker had it that Elvis couldn't record anything unless his name was added to the songs or the publishing. Back in the 1950s, B.B. King wrote some of his songs, but his label boss Jules Taub added his name to the songwriting credits to make more money. B.B. said once (because of problems with the label) that he didn't know where Taub was when the songs were written, but his name magically appeared on the records, lol. Songwriting is where the money is. An act who just sings doesn't make as much money or has to sell more records than a self writing act to make money. But if a songwriter is just a songwriter for hire, like the ones with Motown such as Holland Dozier Holland, then the songs generally belong to the label and not the writers. Some people like Prince wrote songs for other acts under fake names like Joey Coco to get around contracts, because legally he can't do that without permission from his label unless whoever he's writing for is on the same label. Prince has a song from the early 80s called Partyup, which says on the credits that he wrote it, but it was really written by Morris Day. On a lot of Teddy Riley's early stuff, it says the songs were co-written with Gene Griffin, but Gene had little or nothing to do with songwriting or producing. It's the music business, not the honesty business. But it's a different thing if someone is adding their name without permission like in the B.B. King case and a songwriter adding Elvis' name to their songs so they can get their tunes recorded by a popular act.
 
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7 is amazing! OMG, Prince is just so talented.
I feel like he's not talked about enough these days.
 
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mjscarousal said:
LOL right but I know he didnt pick Trey Songz and Alicia Keys... Alicia was exactly a descent artist BACK in the days I just dont know what happened with her. LOL he was telling the truth in that song. He really sugar coated in that acceptance speech though because his usually preaching the opposite but I dunno why the legends do that. They NEED to tell the truth, so these artists out now will step there game up. There always taling B.S. I cant stand that.
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He may have picked Alicia Keys. I read an interview where Prince was speaking very highly of Alicia Keys as opposed to newer artists. I don't save articles so I'm unable to provide any links. Google it or something.
 
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DuranDuran said:
I don't think the average listener cares who writes the songs and neither does the record labels. A performer or songwriter can list their dog as a songwriter (and some have) as long as they turn in an album. Adding names to writing credits is nothing new. Elvis never wrote anything, but Colonel Parker had it that Elvis couldn't record anything unless his name was added to the songs or the publishing. Back in the 1950s, B.B. King wrote some of his songs, but his label boss Jules Taub added his name to the songwriting credits to make more money. B.B. said once (because of problems with the label) that he didn't know where Taub was when the songs were written, but his name magically appeared on the records, lol. Songwriting is where the money is. An act who just sings doesn't make as much money or has to sell more records than a self writing act to make money. But if a songwriter is just a songwriter for hire, like the ones with Motown such as Holland Dozier Holland, then the songs generally belong to the label and not the writers. Some people like Prince wrote songs for other acts under fake names like Joey Coco to get around contracts, because legally he can't do that without permission from his label unless whoever he's writing for is on the same label. Prince has a song from the early 80s called Partyup, which says on the credits that he wrote it, but it was really written by Morris Day. On a lot of Teddy Riley's early stuff, it says the songs were co-written with Gene Griffin, but Gene had little or nothing to do with songwriting or producing. It's the music business, not the honesty business. But it's a different thing if someone is adding their name without permission like in the B.B. King case and a songwriter adding Elvis' name to their songs so they can get their tunes recorded by a popular act.
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Right..... then what is the point of award shows? If half the songs are written by other people and not the exactly singer shouldnt they be awarded instead of the singer? I know some are but mostly there not.
The average person thinks the singers WRITE the music because they have the music knowlege of a 3 year old... there are seriously alot of people like that. But I agree with everything you said and thanks for the music info..
 
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mjscarousal said:
Right..... then what is the point of award shows? If half the songs are written by other people and not the exactly singer shouldnt they be awarded instead of the singer? I know some are but mostly there not.
The average person thinks the singers WRITE the music because they have the music knowlege of a 3 year old... there are seriously alot of people like that. But I agree with everything you said and thanks for the music info..
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An act doesn't have to write songs to get an award, unless it's specifaclly for songwriting such as a Grammy like "Song Of The Year" which goes to the writer and not the act, unless the act wrote the song, or technically whoever is listed on the songwriting credits. There's awards for vocalists like Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr., Johnny Mathis, Whitney Houston, Barbra Striesand, Celine Dion, and other non writers. Before The Beatles (& maybe Bob Dylan) popularized it, very few performers self wrote, and most of them were jazz acts. Besides awards are campaigned for by the record labels (or movie studios for the Oscars). It's like running for a political office pretty much. The voters don't even listen to a lot of the songs. There's many catagories on the Grammys that don't get telecast. Do you really think all of the voters really listen to a Hillary Clinton spoken word album or the albums nominated for best Polka or best Native American recording, lol? Some of it is just blind voting, picking a veteran act that the majority of the older voters know (like Herbie Hancock), or voting for whoever's label spent the most money campaigning for their act.
 
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thank u so much for sharing ! Prince rocks!
 
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