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ForeverKOP
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Re: Prelim tomorrow-All discussion here
I'm confused..
Can someone please some up EVERYTHING that happened today??
I just got home...and I'm trying to understand amidst all the confusion...help??
I'm confused..
Can someone please some up EVERYTHING that happened today??
I just got home...and I'm trying to understand amidst all the confusion...help??
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elusive moonwalker
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:doh: deary me jones mentioned that october date but the date he gave is on a weekend
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ForeverKOP
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Link??
I'm on a phone right now so it's a little hard to catch up.
Thanks.
Link??
I'm on a phone right now so it's a little hard to catch up.
Thanks.
elusive moonwalker
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the thread under this one
the thread under this one
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bgz is right. and you don't need Oxman for that. At the last hearing the possibility of delay was discussed and Judge Pastor had said that he was okay with it.
And with the all stories coming from Murray's team that they aren't receiving the documents , you don't need to be a brain surgeon to see that they'll ask for delay.
elusive is right. It's not necessarily a time stalling technique, it's rather a defense tactic. They'll argue the experts with their experts. Such as we know that the autopsy report says that the levels were similar to given in a major surgery. Murray's team will come up with an expert that says that they aren't.
I wrote this before science isn't exact and in most cases you can find a doctor, a research etc that says the opposite or supports an opposite theory/ explanation.
bgz is right. and you don't need Oxman for that. At the last hearing the possibility of delay was discussed and Judge Pastor had said that he was okay with it.
And with the all stories coming from Murray's team that they aren't receiving the documents , you don't need to be a brain surgeon to see that they'll ask for delay.
Like he's going to be fair in that retest.....I wonder what he'll do to the fluids...
TIME STALLING! But for what? There is a reason for it.
Do they need time to take down more innocent people?Just a thought..... Are team Murray's secret spys still gathering more information?
I'm VERY curious to know what this time stalling is of.
elusive is right. It's not necessarily a time stalling technique, it's rather a defense tactic. They'll argue the experts with their experts. Such as we know that the autopsy report says that the levels were similar to given in a major surgery. Murray's team will come up with an expert that says that they aren't.
I wrote this before science isn't exact and in most cases you can find a doctor, a research etc that says the opposite or supports an opposite theory/ explanation.
ForeverKOP
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Also - Anyone know where I can see footage from today outside the courtroom? TMZ only has the Jackson family arriving and that's it. Did Eddie Jones or anyone else speak to let the fans know what was going on at the end of the hearing? I remember he did this little conference thing outside the last time there was a court appearance, did anyone "speak" today? Anyone have a link to that footage?
Also - Anyone know where I can see footage from today outside the courtroom? TMZ only has the Jackson family arriving and that's it. Did Eddie Jones or anyone else speak to let the fans know what was going on at the end of the hearing? I remember he did this little conference thing outside the last time there was a court appearance, did anyone "speak" today? Anyone have a link to that footage?
elusive moonwalker
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especially when they are being paid
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october date is just a status hearing according to other boards. so at this point the defence start hinting at a delay for jan
october date is just a status hearing according to other boards. so at this point the defence start hinting at a delay for jan
Moulin Rouge
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gDlBImS9JjNPYyKkCG456rA3Uoew
Judge sets Jan. 4 preliminary hearing for doctor charged in MJ death
By Anthony McCartney (CP) – 15 minutes ago
LOS ANGELES, Calif. — A preliminary hearing where prosecutors will lay out some of the evidence against a doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death will begin Jan. 4 in Los Angeles, a judge said Monday.
The hearing had been expected to begin later this year but was pushed back due to issues involving witness availability and the ongoing investigation, Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor said.
After the hearing, which is expected to last at least two weeks, Pastor will determine if there is enough evidence to order cardiologist Conrad Murray to stand trial.
Several members of Jackson's family, including his mother Katherine and father Joseph, attended Monday's hearing. They waved to fans who were allowed into the courtroom wearing T-shirts seeking justice for the pop singer.
Murray, 57, has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter in the death of Jackson in June 2009 at the age of 50. Authorities have accused Murray of administering a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol to Jackson in the bedroom of the singer's rented mansion.
Murray's attorneys have said the doctor did not give Jackson anything that should have killed him.
Murray's defence team wants permission to retest three chemical samples currently held by the coroner's office. Attorney J. Michael Flanagan said the samples were obtained from two syringes and an IV, but he did not elaborate.
Prosecutor David Walgren sought more information about the tests and whether the samples might be destroyed.
Pastor urged both sides to work out a deal on the request.
Murray is due back in court on Oct. 26 for another status hearing.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gDlBImS9JjNPYyKkCG456rA3Uoew
Judge sets Jan. 4 preliminary hearing for doctor charged in MJ death
By Anthony McCartney (CP) – 15 minutes ago
LOS ANGELES, Calif. — A preliminary hearing where prosecutors will lay out some of the evidence against a doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death will begin Jan. 4 in Los Angeles, a judge said Monday.
The hearing had been expected to begin later this year but was pushed back due to issues involving witness availability and the ongoing investigation, Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor said.
After the hearing, which is expected to last at least two weeks, Pastor will determine if there is enough evidence to order cardiologist Conrad Murray to stand trial.
Several members of Jackson's family, including his mother Katherine and father Joseph, attended Monday's hearing. They waved to fans who were allowed into the courtroom wearing T-shirts seeking justice for the pop singer.
Murray, 57, has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter in the death of Jackson in June 2009 at the age of 50. Authorities have accused Murray of administering a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol to Jackson in the bedroom of the singer's rented mansion.
Murray's attorneys have said the doctor did not give Jackson anything that should have killed him.
Murray's defence team wants permission to retest three chemical samples currently held by the coroner's office. Attorney J. Michael Flanagan said the samples were obtained from two syringes and an IV, but he did not elaborate.
Prosecutor David Walgren sought more information about the tests and whether the samples might be destroyed.
Pastor urged both sides to work out a deal on the request.
Murray is due back in court on Oct. 26 for another status hearing.
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How much Propofol was in Michael does not matter the issue is that Murray used Propofol on Michael and it killed him. His expert can say what he likes but the issue is Michael died because Murray gave him Propofol a drug that stops your breathing and how did Michael die he could not breathe
How much Propofol was in Michael does not matter the issue is that Murray used Propofol on Michael and it killed him. His expert can say what he likes but the issue is Michael died because Murray gave him Propofol a drug that stops your breathing and how did Michael die he could not breathe
Moulin Rouge
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AllForLove
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It doesn't really matters that they are paid but of course they will be - They will use the same blood under control, I would be totally confused if they would find less than has been told in the autopsy report -
It doesn't really matters that they are paid but of course they will be - They will use the same blood under control, I would be totally confused if they would find less than has been told in the autopsy report -
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if they are being paid they will tell the side thats paying them what they want to hear.
if they are being paid they will tell the side thats paying them what they want to hear.
AllForLove
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Sadly true - And they will have to explain why he didn't use medical equipment usefull for this kind of treatment.-
Sadly true - And they will have to explain why he didn't use medical equipment usefull for this kind of treatment.-
AllForLove
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So you mean that they might manipulate the blood ? does this could really happened ? I hope that the Court is not so naive, I suppose they will ask again a new report from the coroner to confirm the first one.
So you mean that they might manipulate the blood ? does this could really happened ? I hope that the Court is not so naive, I suppose they will ask again a new report from the coroner to confirm the first one.
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not really. as ivy said alot of this kinda thing comes down to opinion.so in his opinion the amounts found werent the amounts given for a long surgery as the pros claim. things like that
not really. as ivy said alot of this kinda thing comes down to opinion.so in his opinion the amounts found werent the amounts given for a long surgery as the pros claim. things like that
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the level of propofol does matter IMO. because it's not a controlled drug and it's not illegal to use it out of hospital setting (of course not recommended for outside use or it's not intended for insomnia but not illegal as well).
so whether he was given a normal amount or an overdose changes a lot of things.
the level of propofol does matter IMO. because it's not a controlled drug and it's not illegal to use it out of hospital setting (of course not recommended for outside use or it's not intended for insomnia but not illegal as well).
so whether he was given a normal amount or an overdose changes a lot of things.
AllForLove
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Well, we'll see - However I'm amazed by the time it took to his attorneys to make this request, so long after the report has been known, that's weird, I don't remember they had any reaction at the time.
Well, we'll see - However I'm amazed by the time it took to his attorneys to make this request, so long after the report has been known, that's weird, I don't remember they had any reaction at the time.
LoveYouMoreMJ
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Though I didn't expect anything to really happen today and I'm not surprised, I'm still just as frustrated as you all are. Like I tweeted earlier, this is going to be a long and very drawn out process with a lot of bullshit court hearings and such. That's just how our shitty demented US judicial system works. I wish our system was swift like in some other countries. Murray would have been convicted and jailed by now.
Major :huggy: to everyone.
So much unfairness, and injustice.
Though I didn't expect anything to really happen today and I'm not surprised, I'm still just as frustrated as you all are. Like I tweeted earlier, this is going to be a long and very drawn out process with a lot of bullshit court hearings and such. That's just how our shitty demented US judicial system works. I wish our system was swift like in some other countries. Murray would have been convicted and jailed by now.
Major :huggy: to everyone.
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That would only be the case if they are going to insist he gave Michael 25 milligrams. If they tested and said we only found 25 milligrams then I could understand there argument. And when you are using something off label if you will what is a normal dose?
That would only be the case if they are going to insist he gave Michael 25 milligrams. If they tested and said we only found 25 milligrams then I could understand there argument. And when you are using something off label if you will what is a normal dose?
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I agree with the lot of you here..it doesn't matter what the results are in the retesting of those levels...Michael was overdosed with propofol...it doesn't matter the numbers...Michael is still gone....unless Murray has something else to add to his story that will point the finger at a particluar person...then the defense is full of shit...and they are just buying time.
I agree with the lot of you here..it doesn't matter what the results are in the retesting of those levels...Michael was overdosed with propofol...it doesn't matter the numbers...Michael is still gone....unless Murray has something else to add to his story that will point the finger at a particluar person...then the defense is full of shit...and they are just buying time.
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well don't they insist that Murray didn't give more than 25 milligrams and nothing that he gave should kill Michael? Also add that Michael self injected?
hard to say how (as I have little to none medical info) but perhaps they can argue this somehow based on the numbers? or nothing will come out of it.
well don't they insist that Murray didn't give more than 25 milligrams and nothing that he gave should kill Michael? Also add that Michael self injected?
hard to say how (as I have little to none medical info) but perhaps they can argue this somehow based on the numbers? or nothing will come out of it.
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as I can see from the news report there's a status hearing on October 26th.
as I can see from the news report there's a status hearing on October 26th.
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btw as I was reading the news it seems like there's inconsistency what the media reports.
TMZ says that the judge granted the request for the fluid samples.
Dr. Conrad Murray's legal team was just granted a request to get fluid samples of Michael Jackson as part of their defense in his involuntary manslaughter trial.
however this is from MTV
Murray's defense team reportedly asked for access to three fluids collected by the coroner's office, including ones taken from syringes and an IV tube to re-examine test results. Pastor ruled that the coroner's office must preserve the samples, and if defense attorneys and prosecutors cannot agree on the request, he will schedule a hearing on the matter.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1646329/20100823/jackson_michael.jhtml
and this is from radar online
Judge Pastor granted a protective order regarding all discovery in the criminal case. The material cannot be released to anyone other than the lawyers, paralegals and investigators. "I expect this case is going to go to prelim on January 4th, 2011," Judge Pastor said.
Dr. Murray's legal team also wants access to three fluids that the coroner's office has for Michael Jackson. The lawyers want to re-examine some test results, including those from syringes and an IV Tube. The D.A. has issues with the request because of chain of custody issues and preserving the integrity of the samples.
Judge Pastor wants the two sides to come to an agreement about the request, and if they can't, there will be a hearing. Judge Pastor ruled that the coroner's office must preserve the samples.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...eliminary-hearing-set-discovery-given-defense
according to these 2 reports it doesn't seem definitive that they'll get the samples.
btw as I was reading the news it seems like there's inconsistency what the media reports.
TMZ says that the judge granted the request for the fluid samples.
Dr. Conrad Murray's legal team was just granted a request to get fluid samples of Michael Jackson as part of their defense in his involuntary manslaughter trial.
however this is from MTV
Murray's defense team reportedly asked for access to three fluids collected by the coroner's office, including ones taken from syringes and an IV tube to re-examine test results. Pastor ruled that the coroner's office must preserve the samples, and if defense attorneys and prosecutors cannot agree on the request, he will schedule a hearing on the matter.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1646329/20100823/jackson_michael.jhtml
and this is from radar online
Judge Pastor granted a protective order regarding all discovery in the criminal case. The material cannot be released to anyone other than the lawyers, paralegals and investigators. "I expect this case is going to go to prelim on January 4th, 2011," Judge Pastor said.
Dr. Murray's legal team also wants access to three fluids that the coroner's office has for Michael Jackson. The lawyers want to re-examine some test results, including those from syringes and an IV Tube. The D.A. has issues with the request because of chain of custody issues and preserving the integrity of the samples.
Judge Pastor wants the two sides to come to an agreement about the request, and if they can't, there will be a hearing. Judge Pastor ruled that the coroner's office must preserve the samples.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...eliminary-hearing-set-discovery-given-defense
according to these 2 reports it doesn't seem definitive that they'll get the samples.
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The AP also has the same story that MTV has.
The AP also has the same story that MTV has.