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23 August 2010 Hearing-All discussion here

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Its so frustrating and I know how heartbreaking it is for everyone as I am feeling it in more ways than one, I get so angry with the whole situation I find myself physically kicking walls I'm so angry. But we have to keep faith, if we give up who does Michael have left?
 
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Sophielo said:
Its so frustrating and I know how heartbreaking it is for everyone as I am feeling it in more ways than one, I get so angry with the whole situation I find myself physically kicking walls I'm so angry. But we have to keep faith, if we give up who does Michael have left?
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I feel exactly the same. I don"t know what to do and I don"t believe how this case is going. This is crazy.
This is a BIG cover-up. I don"t know what else to think any more.
Oh, Michael......:(
 
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kasume said:
That is exactly what I thought also.

Murray KNOWS what he did. He doesn't need to test s***.

I advise the prosecutors to watch Murray do this test, along with one or two medical experts. And don't give him the fluids until he does the test.
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Murray surely will not be doing the "test" himself, he is a cardiologist, not a pathologist or other trained specialist in this area.
 
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Sophielo said:
Its so frustrating and I know how heartbreaking it is for everyone as I am feeling it in more ways than one, I get so angry with the whole situation I find myself physically kicking walls I'm so angry. But we have to keep faith, if we give up who does Michael have left?
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my sentinents exactly out of all ppl. we shouldnt be the ones giving up. there is no one left but us, and I mean it literally:(
 
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Annie123 said:
That's so sad. I can't really understand why Karen is so influential with the fans but I haven't been following her tweets/comments - luckily, I guess, if fan fights are the result.
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The craziness seems to have made it to TMZ. There were some crazy women calling Conrad "Murderer" as he was being driven out (which is he anyway). They look like they were about to do something crazy....like turn the car over....I don't know. The car drove fast....

On the TV show Levin his crew made a face like 'MJ fans are crazy' and said 'who has the time to go to these court hearings and screaming murderer' and another person said something like MJ fans are crazy. It was also reported in some spanish new's channel where a news caster said "MJ fans scare me"


It's gotten out of hand. This is what's going on all over facebook, I almost went nuts, I had to sign off facebook early. Back and fourth....back and fourth...all day, this is what's on facebook

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I don't catre who's right or wrong....the point of going to these court dates is to support Michael, Katherin and his kids, not to get into gang fights. Now out there think MJ fans are nuts. :angry:
 
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I don't care if the media calls MJ fans nuts. They would be saying we didn't care if we were out there. They are just hoping that we stay away and stop supporting Michael publicly so I wouldn't put much on their word of fans. As for the fan calling Murray a murderer. I agree with them.
 
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JMie said:
geez, I can't believe the impersonators are there again. can't they realise it's inappropriate?
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Exactly, no one wants to see their asses. they need to go sit down somewhere away from everything regarding Michael Jackson.
 
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Loralee said:
. . . The judge apparently said that the prelim hearing would be pushed to Jan 4, 2011 because of the availability of witnesses.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=11463412
WTF?!

Are the witnesses booked out for 4 months straight???? Are they sooooo busy that they cant turn up to court for some weeks out of a whole 4 months????

I assume that Murrays girlfriend is a witness. Is she sooo busy stripping that she cant come to court until next year???!!

If the witnesses are avoiding turning up, then why don’t they get subpoenaed!!????
This is a criminal case and witnesses are having trouble turning up!???

This is B.S.
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If which witnesses were not identified in the articles about this hearing, then we can't assume it is simply all about witnesses having trouble or resisting turning up. This could also involve expert witnesses for the prosecution; these people could be busy with other cases in their field or with other trials in which they are giving expert testimony.
 
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JMie said:
yeah, I don't understand this witnesses problem either.
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Yeas, this is all murray's game playing with the court. It's time to get serious here...and what is up with these fans?

Are they murray supports disquised as MJ fans? I jusr don't get it.

Murray knows he is running out of options so, be better fess-up. he is the one who filled MJ with all those drugs. BE SCARED MURRAY, YOUR TIME IS SHORT ON THE OUTSIDE. NEXT TIME I HOPE YOU ASS IS REMANED INTO CUSTODY...
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I'm totally against violence. And if I was there, I'd be quiet and watching... or probably would try to calm them down.

But let me ask you this! Can you really blame them? :( I can't!! I just can't!! :no:

Although I feel those people, that is definitely not the right way to protest. There are another "shocking" ways to protest too!! Like... everybody would wear black clothes and they would remain in completely silence while looking at him with a very serious look... this is just an exemple!! There are many way to protest in silence and still cause shock!
 
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prettygirlmj said:
The craziness seems to have made it to TMZ. There were some crazy women calling Conrad "Murderer" as he was being driven out (which is he anyway). They look like they were about to do something crazy....like turn the car over....I don't know. The car drove fast....

On the TV show Levin his crew made a face like 'MJ fans are crazy' and said 'who has the time to go to these court hearings and screaming murderer' and another person said something like MJ fans are crazy. It was also reported in some spanish new's channel where a news caster said "MJ fans scare me"


It's gotten out of hand. This is what's going on all over facebook, I almost went nuts, I had to sign off facebook early. Back and fourth....back and fourth...all day, this is what's on facebook

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I don't catre who's right or wrong....the point of going to these court dates is to support Michael, Katherin and his kids, not to get into gang fights. Now out there think MJ fans are nuts. :angry:
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Wow, if this us crazy, what will happen when the trial starts??? MURRAY is facing his fate.
 
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Frankly I didn't see anything crazy in that video. Yes, the fans were screaming murderer. I can't blame them. Most of us here think that he is murderer and I think many of us would tell that in his face if we met him.

I don't understand this fighting between the Los Angeles fans though. They should get their sh*t together ASAP and stop this nonsense. The whole world is looking at them and they are representing all the fans around the world who can't be there to support Michael. This trial is not about them, it's about Michael and getting justice for Michael. It's neither a right time nor a right place to be pushing their own agendas.
 
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Maria MJ said:
That's exactly my concern. Never heard of a court in the entire world being dragged from delay to delay according to the witnesse's schedules.

It's extremely sad that fans turn against each other, especially when they're out in the public eye. It discredits the entire fanbase. To my understanding, this is being manipulated by those who actually divide and conquer to keep fans controlled.

It's the best way to control a huge crowd that would otherwise be powerful.

Sadly, we have come down to:
-your either pro-estate or pro-family
-you are either boycotting Sony or you're a selfish "I want more from MJ and I don't care about the label" fan
-if you're a believer, Murray is innocent, nobody is to blame. Too painful for other fans to handle.
-if you're a conspiracy theorist, you're a crazed lunatic to those who believe Michael's death was an accident with only Murray to blame. Or even Michael himself for being an addict.

Somebody is actually feeding all these arguments for a good reason and makes sure they are kept alive and going. If fans could put these aside and focus on what's uniting them, they would form a considerable, "dangerous" force of justice that certainly could not be ignored.

Just to remind us of what we share, no matter where we stand:

Michael was ruthlessly exploited by the entertainment industry.
Michael was relentlessly tortured by the media.
Michael was innocent, yet he went through a humiliating trial based on false allegations.
Michael had financial woes that need to be permanently resolved at the exclusive and primary benefit of his beneficiaries.
Michael left us a colossal legacy that needs to be preserved and promoted for the generations to come.
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Thanks for the great post. :yes: It is so true. We must be united.
 
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we should stay united and fight for Michael!
 
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JMie said:
Frankly I didn't see anything crazy in that video. Yes, the fans were screaming murderer. I can't blame them. Most of us here think that he is murderer and I think many of us would tell that in his face if we met him.

I don't understand this fighting between the Los Angeles fans though. They should get their sh*t together ASAP and stop this nonsense. The whole world is looking at them and they are representing all the fans around the world who can't be there to support Michael. This trial is not about them, it's about Michael and getting justice for Michael. It's neither a right time nor a right place to be pushing their own agendas.
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Hit the nail on the head. Well done. xxx
 
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don't understand this fighting between the Los Angeles fans though. They should get their sh*t together ASAP and stop this nonsense. The whole world is looking at them and they are representing all the fans around the world who can't be there to support Michael. This trial is not about them, it's about Michael and getting justice for Michael. It's neither a right time nor a right place to be pushing their own agendas.
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well said these fools need to get a grip or just feck off cause they obviously dont give a dam about mike.if they did they wouldnt be acting like a bunch of numpties
 
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Thrill said:
Yes, there are and have been tensions between different fan-groups and fans for a long long time now and today got a bit ugly. Some started to argue and fight (not physically) and some have been threatened by other fans. (on a sidenote: Many blames Karen Fake for the bickering among fans)
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I just can't fathom fans acting in such an appropriate way when if it's Michae they represent.
Why can't they just merge and go long ...? it's all about love for MJ.

i an confused, are the two different fan group fighting for Mjichael? or is one only for Michael and the other for Conrad Murray, aeg, sony el. ???:(
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
well said these fools need to get a grip or just feck off cause they obviously dont give a dam about mike.if they did they wouldnt be acting like a bunch of numpties
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I couldn'tagree more. The problem with screaming at someone is that everyone stops listening to what you are saying and just focuses on the loss of control..it's not a very 'influential' look. It definitely catches press attention but for all the wrong reasons. And the family have enough on their plates without having to listen to / about fan fights. If the family can remain dignified (esp. Mrs J) amid their great loss, why cannot the fans. Just because you're not screaming doesn't mean you don't feel strongly, but there are better ways of expressing it.
 
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mjistheonlyone said:
Wow, if this us crazy, what will happen when the trial starts??? MURRAY is facing his fate.
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let's face it. the people calling these MJ fans crazy, are soulless, heartless, and machines who are just jealous of MJ. i mean..uhm..i don't know...the fans might have a few emotions, because uhm...MJ is...uhm...dead?

if any of these people calling the fans crazy(who have called them crazy for years) lost somebody the same way, they would have caused riots, set fires, and killed other people and burned their houses down. you can tell by the personalities. there is phoniness in calling MJ fans crazy. it's done out of pure jealousy. MJ achieved much, and received much that is the extreme envy of many..especially the envy of those in the media(i mean they see a lot of women highly emotionally angry at the ones they see as hurting MJ, those media get really really jealous). so there is a lot of easy to see hypocrisy.

now...it would be a noble thing to ask for fans to be bastions of purity in their acts at the courthouse. how droll. how easy it is for them to want to ask that.

i understand the need for peace. but it can't be asked for by those who played a role in the mass caricature-sized massacre perpetrated by those who sought to bring Michael down, especially when you consider the WAY they brought him down.
 
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JMie said:
Frankly I didn't see anything crazy in that video. Yes, the fans were screaming murderer. I can't blame them. Most of us here think that he is murderer and I think many of us would tell that in his face if we met him.
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I'm glad you mentioned that because I felt the same way you do!!
 
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yeah..i shoulda figured the fans weren't acting crazy. the media's just overexaggerrating about something that they don't even really see happening, just like they were overexaggerrating with the size of their fiery darts when they were attacking Michael. the media's just crazy jealous.

even now.
 
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144 said:
let's face it. the people calling these MJ fans crazy, are soulless, heartless, and machines who are just jealous of MJ. i mean..uhm..i don't know...the fans might have a few emotions, because uhm...MJ is...uhm...dead?

if any of these people calling the fans crazy(who have called them crazy for years) lost somebody the same way, they would have caused riots, set fires, and killed other people and burned their houses down. you can tell by the personalities. there is phoniness in calling MJ fans crazy. it's done out of pure jealousy. MJ achieved much, and received much that is the extreme envy of many..especially the envy of those in the media(i mean they see a lot of women highly emotionally angry at the ones they see as hurting MJ, those media get really really jealous). so there is a lot of easy to see hypocrisy.

now...it would be a noble thing to ask for fans to be bastions of purity in their acts at the courthouse. how droll. how easy it is for them to want to ask that.

i understand the need for peace. but it can't be asked for by those who played a role in the mass caricature-sized massacre perpetrated by those who sought to bring Michael down, especially when you consider the WAY they brought him down.
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You know how I appreciate your thoughts. Once again,very well said. Fans have been violently forced to become heroes here. My heart goes out to each and every one.

Since MJ passed, I have always felt that fans are sitting on the defendent's bench rather than Murray..They've been on the medialoid spotlight in Michael's place since Michael left..And after him and his kids, I am aware that fans are the 3rd row of VICTIMS suffering the consequences of this murder. And hearts struggling in pain easily fall on emotional rollercoaster, letting the ego take over for a while.

It's a hard game to play. And I know media would come out against us just like they did for Mike even if there was exemplary conduct in court.
 
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I am heartbroken when I see "fans" being on Murrays side saying that he is not guilty, he is a human being, he deserves justice and that Michael would not want this.
It goes on and on, even saying Michael got what he deserved.
I don"t remember anybody being violent...and I certanly don"t remember seeing that Murray has any discomforts in his life..considering what has he done.
I am personal in this and I have every right to be. Because of Murray we have lost what we loved the most. The anger and pain will NEVER go away.
Calling me crazy for wanting justice for Michael and his kids who are without their loved father....how dare they ?!
There is one board specialized for that. Maybe some of you know what I"m talking about.
 
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JMie said:
Frankly I didn't see anything crazy in that video. Yes, the fans were screaming murderer. I can't blame them. Most of us here think that he is murderer and I think many of us would tell that in his face if we met him.

I don't understand this fighting between the Los Angeles fans though. They should get their sh*t together ASAP and stop this nonsense. The whole world is looking at them and they are representing all the fans around the world who can't be there to support Michael. This trial is not about them, it's about Michael and getting justice for Michael. It's neither a right time nor a right place to be pushing their own agendas.
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what video??....thanks..:)
 
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there's a video on tmz. I can't give a link, sorry. I'm online via cellphone.
 
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144 said:
let's face it. the people calling these MJ fans crazy, are soulless, heartless, and machines who are just jealous of MJ. i mean..uhm..i don't know...the fans might have a few emotions, because uhm...MJ is...uhm...dead?

I agree with you and how the media treated MJ but I was referring to fans verbally attacking other MJ fan and their daughter. Why??? There is no need for this typed of behavior especiall at a court of law... someone going to end up end jail. This is cray. It's all over FB too!


This is what I was talking about ...see below:bugeyed



if any of these people calling the fans crazy(who have called them crazy for years) lost somebody the same way, they would have caused riots, set fires, and killed other people and burned their houses down. you can tell by the personalities. there is phoniness in calling MJ fans crazy. it's done out of pure jealousy. MJ achieved much, and received much that is the extreme envy of many..especially the envy of those in the media(i mean they see a lot of women highly emotionally angry at the ones they see as hurting MJ, those media get really really jealous). so there is a lot of easy to see hypocrisy.

now...it would be a noble thing to ask for fans to be bastions of purity in their acts at the courthouse. how droll. how easy it is for them to want to ask that.

i understand the need for peace. but it can't be asked for by those who played a role in the mass caricature-sized massacre perpetrated by those who sought to bring Michael down, especially when you consider the WAY they brought him down.
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Karen Faye just said on Twitter that fans are fighting amongst themselves outside court..?
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Majestik Magnificent
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who cares about what he says. he just another media whore and joe flunky whos loves the attention. the amount of times he tried to bed fans cause he said hed get them close to the jacksons ewwwww
 
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