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Have you gained respect for Lisa after watching this interview? Do you forgive/understand her now?


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honestly the way ppl hate on others who have a different view of MJ are the exact people that would have enabled anything bad to happen.. would not have been the TRUE AND BLUE!! more like the LOYAL PUPPIES. thats not a friend mentality thats worship... I see Lisa's heart and I never felt like she has mentioned MJ for publicity, money, or anything.. She has her fathers name for that if she really wants it.. Sorry to let people know YES MJ is the greatest, (i have to mention that of course before I get trashed) but she does not NEED MJ's name to make a name for herself.. She's a PRESELY


Too many MJ LOVERS are "EVERYONE ELSE HATERS"!!! to some who preach MJ's word that hate on others I'll have to say L.O.V.E. my @$$!!

let L.O.V.E. stand for something great!! don't $h!t on it
 
honestly the way ppl hate on others who have a different view of MJ are the exact people that would have enabled anything bad to happen.. would not have been the TRUE AND BLUE!! more like the LOYAL PUPPIES. thats not a friend mentality thats worship... I see Lisa's heart and I never felt like she has mentioned MJ for publicity, money, or anything.. She has her fathers name for that if she really wants it.. Sorry to let people know YES MJ is the greatest, (i have to mention that of course before I get trashed) but she does not NEED MJ's name to make a name for herself.. She's a PRESELY


Too many MJ LOVERS are "EVERYONE ELSE HATERS"!!! to some who preach MJ's word that hate on others I'll have to say L.O.V.E. my @$$!!

let L.O.V.E. stand for something great!! don't $h!t on it

Well sad!!! Can I shake your hand?!!!
 
This is not to sound negative but objective. I can't just believe 100% what Lisa says. I don't think that is fair to Michael. I say that because I don't know his thoughts and feelings on his relationship with her. It's her opinions on the matter.

I see Lisa as someone who feels bad and guilty for how she treated Michael in his life. She joins I am sure a long list of people who did the very same thing. Even his lawyer said in 2005 they reached out to people and they turned away from Michael. I remember what Madonna said and I am not a big fan of hers but she spoke the truth last year at the MTV awards. People abandoned Michael herself included. Now that they have to live with that.

I hope she doesn't talk about him anymore because he deserves his peace and privacy that he hardly had in his life. He should have it now. I hope I don't sound negative here.
 
This is not to sound negative but objective. I can't just believe 100% what Lisa says. I don't think that is fair to Michael. I say that because I don't know his thoughts and feelings on his relationship with her. It's her opinions on the matter.

I see Lisa as someone who feels bad and guilty for how she treated Michael in his life. She joins I am sure a long list of people who did the very same thing. Even his lawyer said in 2005 they reached out to people and they turned away from Michael. I remember what Madonna said and I am not a big fan of hers but she spoke the truth last year at the MTV awards. People abandoned Michael herself included. Now that they have to live with that.

I hope she doesn't talk about him anymore because he deserves his peace and privacy that he hardly had in his life. He should have it now. I hope I don't sound negative here.

Not at all, I can completely understand what you're saying. I kind of agree with you to be honest.
 
I don't get why people are being so negative over this. I mean it's clear that she loved him/loves, was addicted to him. She probably felt betrayed by him at some point, Michael was a troubled individual, although incredible, as she said. Sometimes people make mistakes, the important thing is that she recognized it. Would you have prefered her to say that she never loved him, and keeps saying she's pissed at him?! I mean people would think that wow, she must hate him cause he's indeed a freak, a molester.



Besides what she said about leaning over his casket crying asking for forgiveness got me so emotional. I didn't know she loved him so much, all other things aside.
 
If she loves him as much as she says, why did she abandoned him? why did she lied?
In other intervews she said she never witnessed about the drugs and now in this intervew she says quite the opposite :angry:
 
when people say Michael was troubled individual but when i look at lisa ,she lookes more troubled .lets face it she was in to hard core drugs when she was teen,she is kind of alcoholic whenever she is depress,she did more experiment in sex since she was 9 yr old (age is important),she is more then 40 yrs still don't what to do with her life so got married(in which she is good) had kids. still can't handle her fathers estate without her evil mother.but still people want to believe her.
when u can see Michael loved her but when she asked for divorce ,he gave her without blinking an eye .she flew all over the world to be with him but his heart was harden for her which speaks volume to me .
 
If she loves him as much as she says, why did she abandoned him? why did she lied?
In other intervews she said she never witnessed about the drugs and now in this intervew she says quite the opposite :angry:

Well she's not perfect, probably she didn't want to cause problems talking about the drugs, out of the respect of his family. I don't know who abandoned who but if she did, she did because probably she was scared dealing with the situation and she was proud. What's important is that she regrets leaving him, and she always loved him, so don't judge without being on her shoes.
 
when people say Michael was troubled individual but when i look at lisa ,she lookes more troubled .lets face it she was in to hard core drugs when she was teen,she is kind of alcoholic whenever she is depress,she did more experiment in sex since she was 9 yr old (age is important),she is more then 40 yrs still don't what to do with her life so got married(in which she is good) had kids. still can't handle her fathers estate without her evil mother.but still people want to believe her.
when u can see Michael loved her but when she asked for divorce ,he gave her without blinking an eye .she flew all over the world to be with him but his heart was harden for her which speaks volume to me .

Well maybe she was into drugs too, who the hell knows, but perhaps she didn't want it to be a destructive relationship. She was pretty wild, I notice she has a lot of mood swings, but that doesn't mean she is not saying the truth.
 
This is not to sound negative but objective. I can't just believe 100% what Lisa says. I don't think that is fair to Michael. I say that because I don't know his thoughts and feelings on his relationship with her. It's her opinions on the matter.

I see Lisa as someone who feels bad and guilty for how she treated Michael in his life. She joins I am sure a long list of people who did the very same thing. Even his lawyer said in 2005 they reached out to people and they turned away from Michael. I remember what Madonna said and I am not a big fan of hers but she spoke the truth last year at the MTV awards. People abandoned Michael herself included. Now that they have to live with that.

I hope she doesn't talk about him anymore because he deserves his peace and privacy that he hardly had in his life. He should have it now. I hope I don't sound negative here.

Its ok u dont sound negative at all, infact everything u wrote is great and right on.
 
"If you were me and breathed the air I breathe
Would you not ask in vain for God to bring you peace"
 
Well she's not perfect, probably she didn't want to cause problems talking about the drugs, out of the respect of his family. I don't know who abandoned who but if she did, she did because probably she was scared dealing with the situation and she was proud. What's important is that she regrets leaving him, and she always loved him, so don't judge without being on her shoes.

You're talking about not judging but what did she do in the past intervews? BASHING MICHAEL AND TALKING BS when he didn't even deserve it.
 
You're talking about not judging but what did she do in the past intervews? BASHING MICHAEL AND TALKING BS when he didn't even deserve it.

So you have to do the same? Criticising here and then do it yourself?
We weren't with them, we don't know what went on. She admitted it was a mistake, she said why she had done that. She's feeling bad and guilty for it. What else can she do?
We don't need to kick someone who's already down.
 
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Well maybe she was into drugs too, who the hell knows, but perhaps she didn't want it to be a destructive relationship. She was pretty wild, I notice she has a lot of mood swings, but that doesn't mean she is not saying the truth.

for the fact she is not saying truth ,u can go back and find doctors video .for me Michaels word and action is more important then hers.please she already put her kids in unkind situation by having an affair with Michael while she was married so i don't think she has that conscious mind ,she does what she wants just like people blame Michael for doing things ,he want to do.
 
for the fact she is not saying truth ,u can go back and find doctors video .for me Michaels word and action is more important then hers.please she already put her kids in unkind situation by having an affair with Michael while she was married so i don't think she has that conscious mind ,she does what she wants just like people blame Michael for doing things ,he want to do.

Well, she didn't say that he had in fact taken drugs. She said she had believed it, thought it or suspected it. But that's not knowing, so not a fact.
When you criticize her having an affair while she was married than you also have to criticize Michael for it. He was the one she had the affair with, in fact we didn't even know if there really went something on when she was still married. And later he was married to Debbie, but was in real with her.
Yes, they did the things they wanted to do. They did what their hearts wanted. And nobody should blame neither Michael nor Lisa. They were two adults who made their own decisions.
 
Well, she didn't say that he had in fact taken drugs. She said she had believed it, thought it or suspected it. But that's not knowing, so not a fact.
When you criticize her having an affair while she was married than you also have to criticize Michael for it. He was the one she had the affair with, in fact we didn't even know if there really went something on when she was still married. And later he was married to Debbie, but was in real with her.
Yes, they did the things they wanted to do. They did what their hearts wanted. And nobody should blame neither Michael nor Lisa. They were two adults who made their own decisions.
if u don't know what u r saying is fact then don't give an interview ,the man is dead let him rest .why on earth u want to speculate such things .
and about affair see how u emphasizing on Michael ,that is the attitude i am talking about .it was from both sides but she had kids to look after.and she gave the reason that she wanted to have children but relation was not stable again u r seeing things from her prospective ,then i guess i am gonna believe Michael and say relation must be stable from his point of view to start family.
she wasn't stable in her first marriage nor with Michael other wise who goes out with ex husband on a trip,and she said herself that Michael didn't know how to react to that thing.
i think i made my point clear now if u want to believe her go ahead it is ur choice.
 
if u don't know what u r saying is fact then don't give an interview ,the man is dead let him rest .why on earth u want to speculate such things .
and about affair see how u emphasizing on Michael ,that is the attitude i am talking about .it was from both sides but she had kids to look after.and she gave the reason that she wanted to have children but relation was not stable again u r seeing things from her prospective ,then i guess i am gonna believe Michael and say relation must be stable from his point of view to start family.
she wasn't stable in her first marriage nor with Michael other wise who goes out with ex husband on a trip,and she said herself that Michael didn't know how to react to that thing.
i think i made my point clear now if u want to believe her go ahead it is ur choice.

No, I don't see it from her perspective. What I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't judge either one of them. Actually, there's no need for us to argue or talk about their relationship because they did what they wanted. They were adults. You do your own decisions, right? Without someone interfering or criticizing you for them. So why don't we just let them their decisions without criticizing them?
 
Shmuley Tapes, 2000/1

MJ: I want someone who is a lot like me, who has the same interests and who wants to help. The ones who are classy and quiet and not into all the sex and all the craziness because I am not into that. I do not understand alot of the things that go on in relationships and I do not know if I ever will. Mean things and vulgar things with their bodies. I do not understand it and it has hurt my past relationships.

SB:Have you ever found girls who like practical jokes that you like? Have you ever found a woman who collects comics?

MJ: It is a rarity. If I find one I will go nuts. Especially, if she has those qualities and is beautiful inside. It would be a home run for me.

MJ: I think sexy comes from the heart in the way you present yourself.

SB: Have you ever found women who are a bit more modest to be more attractive for that reason?

MJ: Yeah. I don’t like women who are always saying, “My nails need to be done. I have to do my toes. I need a manicure.” I hate all that. I lke it when girls are a little bit more tomboyish. If they wrestle, climb a tree….. I love that. It is sexier to me. I like class, though. Class is everything.

SB:Celebrities are targets for people who marry them for wrong reasons, their fortune and their name. But don’t you know when someone is interested in you for the wrong reasons?

MJ: You don’t know.
It is hard because the women today can do a good job of faking it. I mean a real good job. They are smooth. Look in the Bible. Women have taken the most powerful men down to nothing because of what’s between their legs.
SB: Can you immediately tell innocence?

MJ: Right away although I find it harder to tell with women because they’re so smooth. But with men I can usually tell, because they are more open and like puppies, while girls are more like cats. You know how if you’ve been on vacation and you get home and a puppy is all over you, while with a cat, it’s “Hey I don’t need you, you come over here and pick me up”. They give you attitude. They’ll walk right by you even though they haven’t see you in three months. Women are very smart. Walt Disney always said they are smarter than men and he always hired more women.
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MJ: You know if I meet some girl somewhere and I think she&#8217;s beautiful, which I see a lot of them, that&#8217;s great. I mean, I&#8217;ll go on a date or something. Nothing wrong with that.

SB: If a woman walks round with all her cleavage showing&#8230;.

MJ:Frank loves it.
(Michael gestured to Frank Cascio, who was sitting right next to us. We all laughed.)

MJ: Of course you want to look.

SB:A lot of people like being a sex-symbol. You don&#8217;t like it because you are shy about it. Do you know when some women speak to you that it&#8217;s what&#8217;s on their mind?

MJ:Umhum. They tell me.

SB: I want to have sex with you?

MJ:Aha.

MJ: Yeah, they are loyal, women. They have been loyal. They are activists. They will fight you about me.

SB: Like when Oprah asked yout about your sex life, you repsonded something to the effect, &#8220;That I&#8217;m a gentleman I don&#8217;t talk about that.&#8221; Do you feel that we should be more respectful of the sexual side of our lives? Has it all become to overt? I mean you&#8217;re naturally shy about this.

MJ:Yeah, I&#8217;m just naturally, um cause I think that&#8217;s&#8230;Private. Yeah, that&#8217;s my personal opinion. Other people who are exhibitionist, you know naturists, who go out nude and they feel different about it. Um, I don&#8217;t know, I&#8217;m different in that way.

MJ: That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s my job to cast the girl, because it&#8217; my job to think they are cute. So I can do that if I really like them, like some of the girls you see in my videos. I have cast them because I really like them and it caused a problem afterwards because they start to really like me, and I don&#8217;t want to get that serious, and it becomes a problem sometimes.
*skips down*
So how often do you find that women really get clingy?

MJ: What do you mean?
Like you said, it supposed to be a professional thing. You just film something with a female costar but afterwards they become attached.

MJ: Yes it happens.
How do you break the news to them that you don&#8217;t reciprocate?

MJ: When they see me running the other way. Yeah. Some of them follow me around the world and it&#8217;s hard.

SB: That probably makes them chase you even more because they probably are drawn to that boyish shyness. To be sure, many women like &#8220;bad&#8221; boys. But for the same reason, a lot like shy guys. In the same way the believe that they can redeem the bad boy and polish up this coarse diamond, they believe the same thing about the shy guy. They think, &#8221; Only I can bring him out of his shell.&#8221; But I guess for a while with you running halfway around the world from them, they get the message. But you never tell them directly?

MJ: No, because it would hurt them too much.
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I have watched this interview today.
Oprah was, again, insisting on Michael"s " drug-problems " all the way. I did not expect anything else from her.
Lisa is sorry now. Too late.
That is all I have to say. You just don"t leave someone when they need you the most.
I could never do that. And she said they loved each other so much and he was wonderful and all that.
I am not easy when it comes to forgiving.
 
I have watched this interview today.
Oprah was, again, insisting on Michael"s " drug-problems " all the way. I did not expect anything else from her.
Lisa is sorry now. Too late.
That is all I have to say. You just don"t leave someone when they need you the most.
I could never do that. And she said they loved each other so much and he was wonderful and all that.
I am not easy when it comes to forgiving.
THANK YOU!! YOu walk when you NEVER really loved the person. This why it is easy for a person to walk away. When you are in a REAL love relastionship, walking away is NOT easy. Like I said, people mix up what REAL love is all about.
 
I have watched this interview today.
Oprah was, again, insisting on Michael"s " drug-problems " all the way. I did not expect anything else from her.
Lisa is sorry now. Too late.
That is all I have to say. You just don"t leave someone when they need you the most.
I could never do that. And she said they loved each other so much and he was wonderful and all that.
I am not easy when it comes to forgiving.

THANK YOU!! YOu walk when you NEVER really loved the person. This why it is easy for a person to walk away. When you are in a REAL love relastionship, walking away is NOT easy. Like I said, people mix up what REAL love is all about.

To be fair, though, I mean, just because you walk away DOESN'T mean you don't love that person, or that it doesn't hurt like hell when you do it....Lisa had said she was still in love with him when she left....She could be lying, but I'm apt to believe she wasn't...I have NEVER EVER heard her say that she never loved him; she's always maintained that everytime she'd talk about him....I mean, she also said MIchael kept pushing her away...How do we know she didn't try like crazy to make it work, despite him 'pushing her away'? She said they're BOTH stubborn....We don't know the details of this, and we never will; circumstances that shape and mould the relationship and the two people involved.......and I'm not trying to lay all the blame on Michael for pushing her away if in fact he did...They obviously were both to blame for the relationship ending...
 
I have watched this interview today.
Oprah was, again, insisting on Michael"s " drug-problems " all the way. I did not expect anything else from her.
Lisa is sorry now. Too late.
That is all I have to say. You just don"t leave someone when they need you the most.
I could never do that. And she said they loved each other so much and he was wonderful and all that.
I am not easy when it comes to forgiving.

I totally agree.. I actually think she's acting.. I don't think she loved Mike. If she did she would not have walked and left him and then get engaged and remarried several times. For God's sakes she didn't want his babies, how did she love him?? she's only saying that now because he's gone and it's cool for the general public to show MJ love again. If MJ was still alive she would still be bashing him like she was in 2008 when she said he was the 'worst mistake in her life'
 
MJ: Yeah. I don’t like women who are always saying, “My nails need to be done. I have to do my toes. I need a manicure.” I hate all that. I lke it when girls are a little bit more tomboyish. If they wrestle, climb a tree….. I love that. It is sexier to me. I like class, though. Class is everything.

- Based on this statement, Michael and I would be incompatible because I need my manicures and pedicures on the regular.

MJ: That’s why it’s my job to cast the girl, because it’ my job to think they are cute. So I can do that if I really like them, like some of the girls you see in my videos. I have cast them because I really like them and it caused a problem afterwards because they start to really like me, and I don’t want to get that serious, and it becomes a problem sometimes.
*skips down*
So how often do you find that women really get clingy?

MJ: What do you mean?
Like you said, it supposed to be a professional thing. You just film something with a female costar but afterwards they become attached.

MJ: Yes it happens.
How do you break the news to them that you don’t reciprocate?

MJ: When they see me running the other way. Yeah. Some of them follow me around the world and it’s hard.

SB: That probably makes them chase you even more because they probably are drawn to that boyish shyness. To be sure, many women like “bad” boys. But for the same reason, a lot like shy guys. In the same way the believe that they can redeem the bad boy and polish up this coarse diamond, they believe the same thing about the shy guy. They think, ” Only I can bring him out of his shell.” But I guess for a while with you running halfway around the world from them, they get the message. But you never tell them directly?

MJ: No, because it would hurt them too much.
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~~this sounds like he's speaking of tatiana, he thought she was cute, she got clingy, he pulled away, not wanting to reciprocate
 
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Shmuley Tapes, 2000/1

MJ: I want someone who is a lot like me, who has the same interests and who wants to help. The ones who are classy and quiet and not into all the sex and all the craziness because I am not into that. I do not understand alot of the things that go on in relationships and I do not know if I ever will. Mean things and vulgar things with their bodies. I do not understand it and it has hurt my past relationships.

"real Talk he kept it real"

MJ: Yeah. I don&#8217;t like women who are always saying, &#8220;My nails need to be done. I have to do my toes. I need a manicure.&#8221; I hate all that. I lke it when girls are a little bit more tomboyish. If they wrestle, climb a tree&#8230;.. I love that. It is sexier to me. I like class, though. Class is everything.

:toofunny: this made me laugh cause i need to get my hair and nails did hey boo

awww he like females who have a little tomboyish to them he just one of a kind

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I couldn't tell if she's lying about her love for Mikey or not but it's evendent she has lyed in other stuff and I can't forgive the fact she didn't act like a classy lady because media gave her the credict for bashing him full of resentment.
 
@ diplomate....."Do Not Walk Away" ..... is about Lady Diana...but MJ was freind with Mohammad AlFayd and could not say this publicly since his son was her boyfriend !


Lady Diana was the only woman and maybe the only person on the world MJ was able to relate to in regard to ( fame , media and betrayl)....he fainted and spents week after her death crying ....i think this song was ultimatley about her ! and i can safely be sure of it!
 
We can only speculate as to who Michael's songs were about but yes, even he admitted he had a soft spot for Lady Diana. I do think he had a crush on her but he liked classy woman.
 
We can only speculate as to who Michael's songs were about but yes, even he admitted he had a soft spot for Lady Diana. I do think he had a crush on her but he liked classy woman.

That's part of the magic of Michael, his songs can be interpreted differently by everyone :yes:
 
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