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Have your opinions changed? (Cascio Tracks)

Have your opinions changed?

  • Yes-I now believe it's MJ 100%

    Votes: 103 30.1%

  • Yes-I think its him but not 100% him

    Votes: 90 26.3%

  • No-It's not him at all

    Votes: 149 43.6%
  • Total voters
    342
Giant Enemy Cat said:
But Tsukiji, even if these tracks are 100% Michael Jackson, it's still begs the question as to why over 50% of the fans are doubting that it actually is him in the first place.

- Some massive amount of editing must have been done if it's him, to the point where it doesn't sound like him. It is not acceptable to place them on the album.

- If MJ is in a sub-optimal recording environment and what they have to work on is un-releasable, then don't even consider it for the album.

- The songs are very weak. Monster is probably the strongest of the 3, but that's not saying much. A lot of us believe that these are so bad that they're tarnishing his legacy.
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I get what your saying...because I've gone back and forth soooooo many times..Although I don't agree they are weak songs, just IMO ;)

Your right though, I think it probably would have been best to just keep them off the album..because all they have done has caused trouble..but the reality is, I think they wanted to have a good solid bunch of recent material to put on the album...even if the Vocals were rough, and had to be processed or whatever..They are good songs though, more than fans realize, I think the "Controversy" taints it for many, but they are pretty damn good just from a music quality perspective IMO.
 
Tsukiji said:
I think the "Controversy" taints it for many, but they are pretty damn good just from a music quality perspective IMO.
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If I could actually hear MJ properly singing on KYHU & Monster, with some alterations, they would be pretty decent. Not in their current form, though.

However, Breaking News is something I couldn't imagine him doing, I flat out don't like it just like I don't like Privacy (although Privacy is even ten times better). Whoever is in charge of it is trying too hard to make Tabloid Junkie v2, which we certainly don't need anyway.
 
To those who say that we might as well shut up 'cause it's already going to be released, that is the *worst* thing we can do. There are more fake tracks Cascio has waiting for future releases. If we show great displeasure/anger now, it may affect those album track-listings.
 
SJR said:
To those who say that we might as well shut up 'cause it's already going to be released, that is the *worst* thing we can do. There are more fake tracks Cascio has waiting for future releases. If we show great displeasure/anger now, it may affect those album track-listings.
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Sony would be stupid to release any more Cascio tracks...you can't say that only the hardcore fans are aware of the controversy now, because even Oprah's talking about it.
 
Don't we all forget that our sweet Michael, had some illness with his lungs?
Is it not that why He used Playaback on the HIStory Tour? And by the way almost always sounded AWFUL on WBSS?

Most of This Is It, was also Playback, or they used demos etc. for the sound on that one?

I know, he sounded great on some songs, even on the HIStory tour. But we really have to consider, that he might have bad and good days, while recording these songs, that was NEVER meant for us to hear! These songs are NOT finished, and you can consider 'em demos, worktapes, blueprints or whatever!

In the Bashir interview i remember MJ told us, he always had a tape recorder on him, so when I heard a melody in his head, or even lyrics He was ready to record them right away! I don't think his first version of Will You Be There, was such a majr masterpiece, as we see on Dangerous. Try think that he died before Dangerous was recorded, and Sony Released his FIRST or SECOND version of Will You Be There... Consider this, when you're doubting the Cascio tracks!

I believe Will You Be There is the best song ever written and performed, but I doubt i would think that If Michael had never finished this track!

And By the way: I really believe that all 3 Cascio tracks on MICHAEL, will be the biggest hits of this release.
Try play the CD for children, and ask em, what songs they remember and want to hear again!

I bet my house, that they choose one of those 3 tracks, if not all ;)
 
mktrade2001 said:
In the Bashir interview i remember MJ told us, he always had a tape recorder on him, so when I heard a melody in his head, or even lyrics He was ready to record them right away! I don't think his first version of Will You Be There, was such a majr masterpiece, as we see on Dangerous. Try think that he died before Dangerous was recorded, and Sony Released his FIRST or SECOND version of Will You Be There... Consider this, when you're doubting the Cascio tracks!
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So you're trying to say that there's no difference at all and we're all deaf or it's our imagination? So are Hollywood Tonight and Cascio track that were both recorded in 2007, absolutely the same?
I'm sorry, but whether it's MJ or not on Cascios's songs, the difference between the vocals is awful
 
BN to me is michael in some parts in the new album version but kyhu and monster not michael...
 
Giant Enemy Cat said:
If I could actually hear MJ properly singing on KYHU & Monster, with some alterations, they would be pretty decent. Not in their current form, though.

However, Breaking News is something I couldn't imagine him doing, I flat out don't like it just like I don't like Privacy (although Privacy is even ten times better). Whoever is in charge of it is trying too hard to make Tabloid Junkie v2, which we certainly don't need (?) anyway.
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Those are two of my favorite. And what's wrong with "TJ"?!!!
 
'Keep Your Head Up' has been the only one out of the 3 Cascio songs that I could ever see it actually being Michael himself. My heart wants them all to be Mikey, but what I hear is still not convincing enough to me.:(
Which is a shame, I feel like I could really enjoy 'Monster'.:wild:

With that being said, If they actually gave a valid reason as to WHY!? Michael sounds different and as has been mentioned, all 3 songs have an undeniably annoying/unusual vibrato, then I would be completely willing to except them and would therefore be looking forward to buying the album even more so! :)

In the end, I have Pre-Ordered MICHAEL, as I was NEVER!! going to miss out on Michael's New Album, just because a small percentage of songs are questionable. :happy:
 
I'm sooooo confused! Breaking News is the song I've had the most trouble with and still do listening to the final album version (which sounds the same to me as previous versions). I can't remember...has it been established that that is NOT Michael Jackson himself saying "Michael Jackson"? If that's really him then he had a speech impediment or a cold that day, lol. The other three songs, some parts sound like Michael and other parts not. There should never be any doubts.
 
^ It's Porte on JackSON I think. I think it's meant to sound deformed as the song is expressing his detachment from his own name when hearing it uttered by the media. A deformation that has nothing to do with who he really is. So the weird sound of his name serves a purpose.
 
Nope. My opinions haven't changed at all. The songs still have the same shaky, incredibly strange sounding vocals whereas all the other tracks sounds like classic MJ.
 
Monster and BN.....smh. i think they are blended vocals i hear SOME of mike in monster but its overshadowed by whoeevr the hell is TRYING to sing like him same with BN. if they used filler fine but dont LIE abut it
 
My opnion is that is Michael singing the three songs,but there have been mistakes:

Adding the digital vibrato in all the 3 songs is ridicolous.
Michael vocals are in an embryonic state and releasing these in a NEW Official Album is not acceptable.

The fact that,there are 12 songs from Eddie Cascio recorded in 2007 and not a single one of these was reworked,resung by Michael in 2008-2009,make me think that probably Michael was not so happy with these songs,or maybe he had to work on them a lot more.
And like Eddie Cascio said on Oprah,if these songs was made only for the fans,why sell to Sony and not leake all the songs online?
Of course for money.Everybody loves money,also the Cascio's.They are a good family but for money,they did a thing that maybe Michael would not be so proud of,and they went to Oprah to justify themselves,together with Teddy Riley.
 
Giant Enemy Cat said:
Yes, you're right. Us doubters are evil, brainwashing, reptilian humanoids. You've got us all figured out, we'll go back to our native homeworld now.
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Hahaha, I didn' say that. But you've got the point : some of them are Giant Enemy Cats lol!
 
IWBWYA said:
Those are two of my favorite. And what's wrong with "TJ"?!!!
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Nothing, I think it's a really good song. We just don't need another anti-media song, especially one that's trying so hard to emulate the classic.
 
michaelsson said:
Monster and BN.....smh. i think they are blended vocals i hear SOME of mike in monster but its overshadowed by whoeevr the hell is TRYING to sing like him same with BN. if they used filler fine but dont LIE abut it
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Yep. If the lead vocal is someone else, don't label it MJ. If they labelled it for what it is, we wouldn't have any complaint whatsoever.
 
^You wouldn't? I sure would find it strange to have someone else have lead vocals on an MJ track when it's clearly not a duet. Fortunately I hear Michael loud and clear on Monster. Brilliant track by the way.
 
mktrade2001 said:
Try play the CD for children, and ask em, what songs they remember and want to hear again!

I bet my house, that they choose one of those 3 tracks, if not all ;)
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My Niece wanted to hear Much Too Soon, Behind The Mask, Hold My Hand and The Way You Love Me.
 
no footage of michael recording the songs,no acapella plus riley didn't even look straight in the eyes oprah when he was answering about the anthenticity of the songs...this is really a shame
 
Garden said:
There are not much posters here who believe that the tracks are Michael.
So what you hear most and when it is repeated many times people end up to believe it. It is psychological. Indoctrination can have more impact than what we hear on the tracks.
And that is also psycholigical.
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And in my opinion, you all just WANT to believe its MJ because you have waited so long for an album and dont want it tarnished by the thought of 3 songs on the album being fake. So you have convinced yourselves that the vocals are real. :punk:
 
Roosje said:
^You wouldn't? I sure would find it strange to have someone else have lead vocals on an MJ track when it's clearly not a duet. Fortunately I hear Michael loud and clear on Monster. Brilliant track by the way.
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No, seriously, I wouldn't. There's only so many MJ vocals out there now and I think everyone is expecting future songs where a bit of jiggery-pokery or extra vocals are required to fill in any gaps. That's just standard. Unfortunate, but standard. As long as they spell out who's who and there's no deceit.

What makes me angry is the conniving underhand fraud we're seeing now. These vocals are trying to sound like MJ (remember - IMO!) - that's very deliberate, calculated deceit.
 
It baffles me how fans who listened to Michael for most of their lives are saying these vocals are clearly Michael...the difference is so crystal clear if you REALLY listen. Ah well...


Some serious money must have been involved, cause no matter what...even after the statement from the Estate, it didn't change anything at all. They were so ridiculously determined to put these shit songs on it. Even if MJ did indeed record some stuff in the Cascio studio, that stuff was unfinished as hell and clearly not meant for album material.

There's no doubt alot more unreleased stuff that would have been perfect for the album....gee Sony i don't know. DYKWYCA and BG maybe? Sigh....
 
Nope. Fake. Michael Jackson has a unique voice. Casio tracks copied cut chopped screwed pasted put in a blender processed.
 
You have to admit some of the songs are catchy...the other songs are still growing on me.. the new album is still growing on me...controversial controversial but it will sell...
 
L.T.D said:
And in my opinion, you all just WANT to believe its MJ because you have waited so long for an album and dont want it tarnished by the thought of 3 songs on the album being fake. So you have convinced yourselves that the vocals are real. :punk:
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very true my friend i did this myself with Monster, but its definitely not him. Our natural instincts are flagging something and they could prove it by letting us hear an original acapella sample but they wont. Monster, Keep your head up and breaking news arent him.

Ill boycott any single sale of those songs, they are not MJ. No way. I know his voice as im sure most of you do, I have studied his every move and word, and its just not settling with me.
 
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