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Preliminary Hearing 5/1/11 Day two. Discussion thread

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Ingelief said:
Extremly frail?
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Well, I assume he would look fragile as he wasn't too heavy and Murray had been bangin on his chest for more than 20 minutes. Don't think he would've looked too good at that point.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
thanks........panic over !!!:better:
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Soundmind said:
bouee I love you , you know that ,right ? :). THANKS FOR ALVAREZ's TWEET.
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French word of the day " ouf !" to express relief, and an informal way of saying "crazy" . It describes it...

you can see his twitter updates on the webpage I gave earlier . He can't update much, since you can't communicate at all during sessions.

the link again :http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wo...ctor_Conrad_Murray_To_Hide_Vials_Of_Medicines
 
elusive moonwalker said:
the media only cared when it came to lynching mj. they had selective reporting about that case about 93 about this case. its all about portraying mj in the light they want the public to have of him ie a pedo a druggie a freak
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So very true
ivy said:
KFI Crime reporter: Paramedic says Jackson was already dead & turning blue when he arrived at mansion in June '09
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omg :cry:
 
This is an update someone wrote up from the live stream.

Paramedics testifying said "we asked what is wrong here" on arrival.

Thought MJ was a 'hospice patient' when they walked into the bedroom.

He was pale, very underweight, had a sleep cap on.

Asked Murray "what happened here", Murray said, "I don't know".

Paramedics: "when did this happen"?

Murray: "Just now"-

Paramedics said he immediately knew Murray was lying.

Paramedic: "Have you given him anything"?

Murray: "I just gave him some Lorazepam in his IV"

Paramedic: "Again knew he was lying. Body was cold, white, lifeless, completely unresponsive, feet blue. Knew that this had not just happened"

Murray: "He had a rehearsal last night & I was treating him for dehydration"

Paramedic: "Again, I knew immediately that wasn't all & this had not just occured. He was lying."
 
Senneff: all I can say my gut feeling, this had not just happened; this has been a period of time, I would think more than 20 mins
 
elusive moonwalker said:
the media only cared when it came to lynching mj. they had selective reporting about that case about 93 about this case. its all about portraying mj in the light they want the public to have of him ie a pedo a druggie a freak
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All I said that it is not completely the media's doing. They report what is of interest to people. Murray's trial is not of much interest except to hardcore fans. Just look at this forum compare to what it was like in 2003-2005. At KOP this subject didn't even reach 200 pages compare to the crap with the fake songs. Yet, I can look at the 2005 forum and see even a boring day got at least 400 plus pages.

There is also the fact that there are some fans who do blame everything on Michael. In their eyes, it would had been better if he was an addict. At least that would had given an excuse for allowing a doctor to hook him up and pump drugs into him. The fact that Michael allowed this happen with a clear mind is too much for some to bear. I honestly think that is why some fans keep saying Michael was an addict, since saying he wasn't means it was partly at fault too.

The media do pick and chose, but it is pick and chose based on the audience.
 
turning blue? hospice? and only involuntary manslaughter ? they better start considering more severe charges . this is becoming a real joke
 
This all makes me sick. He should have told the chef to call 911 immediately and then security etc. Everyone is saying the same thing that he was doing other things than calling 911. Because when they did it was too late.
 
classic said:
I've noticed that with Michael's trial, it was the leading story every morning and night on these news/talk shows. Now the coverage seems so sporadic. I just don't get it. They were hanging on to every word when they thought he might go to jail, but can't now that justice is being sought in his name.
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Michael was Michael Jackson. The biggest star on the planet. EVERYBODY knew who he was and was interested, and the sharks smelled blood in the water.

Murray, despite what he did to him, is a nobody, and this is HIS trial, where the stakes aren't even that high. I mean the maximum he'll get is 4 years. Hardly, a life and death situation. Plus, this is the preliminary trial, most coverage occurs for the actual trial.

Just some thoughts, I could be totally wrong,
 
I thought conspiracy talk wasn't allowed in these threads?




elusive moonwalker said:
This is an update someone wrote up from the live stream.

Paramedics testifying said "we asked what is wrong here" on arrival.

Thought MJ was a 'hospice patient' when they walked into the bedroom.

He was pale, very underweight, had a sleep cap on.

Asked Murray "what happened here", Murray said, "I don't know".

Paramedics: "when did this happen"?

Murray: "Just now"-

Paramedics said he immediately knew Murray was lying.

Paramedic: "Have you given him anything"?

Murray: "I just gave him some Lorazepam in his IV"

Paramedic: "Again knew he was lying. Body was cold, white, lifeless, completely unresponsive, feet blue. Knew that this had not just happened"

Murray: "He had a rehearsal last night & I was treating him for dehydration"

Paramedic: "Again, I knew immediately that wasn't all & this had not just occured. He was lying."
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:no: I can't believe this.
 
Senneff: we tried a type of adrenaline to...kick start the heart. Didnt know it was MJ, with IV line to calf, thought was a'hospice patient'


this guy was talking to TMZ ages back remember the comments
 
ivy said:
An EMT who arrived at Michael Jackson's house 4 minutes after the 911 call says Michael was dead when he arrived, and it looked like he had been dead for a long time before Dr. Conrad Murray called 911.

Richard Senneff testified when he arrived at MJ's house and saw MJ, he looked like a hospice patient -- extremely frail.
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:eek:
My goodness....
 
Why didn't Michael eat after rehearsals..? Isn't eating always primary? It just makes it worse if you don't eat...
 
mc8755 said:
Justice4MJ member in the court update:
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When Alberto came up to the room, after being summoned to the house, Murray was outside the room hanging over the railing of the stairs, the children were with the chef and nanny and Mohammed was downstairs. Michael was in the bed with the IV still attached with NO ONE ELSE IN THE ROOM. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ABOVE INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER.
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This is mind-boggling...
 
underweight??? i thought he was normal weight?

like a hospice that sounds horrible.. would the children seen him earlyer like this on another day??
 
elusive moonwalker;3176171 said:
  1. Pros to Senneff: At that time or any time did Murray ever say he had given Propofol? Senneff: No sir half a minute ago via TweetDeck
  2. Senneff: I asked if taking any meds, he said no, none not taking anything. It didnt add up. 1 minute ago via TweetDeck
  3. Senneff: Murray said MJ was 'was practising all night. I was treating him for dehydration…..it still seemed too simple' 3 minutes ago via TweetDeck
  4. Senneff asked Murray about meds MJ was on: 'he didn’t answer…I repeated question again and he said there isn’t any. I did n't pursue it 5 minutes ago via TweetDeck
  5. Richard Senneff paramedic: 'unusual to come into person home to have a personal doctor and IV pole' 6 minutes ago via TweetDeck
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tweet? Can you please send the twitter link ?
 
RobertNisbet
Senneff: we tried a type of adrenaline to...kick start the heart. Didnt know it was MJ, with IV line to calf, thought was a'hospice patient'

*sorry, was posted before*
My eyes hurts from crying, my heart hurts from reading.
 
Ugh! I keep asking can this get any worse and it just does.....
 
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Soundmind said:
turning blue? hospice? and only involuntary manslaughter ? they better start considering more severe charges . this is becoming a real joke
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agree with you

AlsoCut the conspiracy out, people want to have a good thread. (not you soundmind)
 
CPR is basic, lets not pretend otherwise. DR MURRAY = 17 year cardiologist. There is no excuse for him.
 
Ingelief said:
underweight??? i thought he was normal weight?

like a hospice that sounds horrible.. would the children seen him earlyer like this on another day??
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People look weaker and frailer when they have been dead for awhile.
 
Asedora said:
Many tried to convince me on this board that MJ was not undewight and ready to perform because Kenny Ortega and Rendy Philips said so while promoting TII movie. Shame on them.
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yeah its strange.. because it was yesterday also on discussion because karen faye also said that
 
Asedora said:
Many tried to convince me on this board that MJ was not undewight and ready to perform because Kenny Ortega and Rendy Philips said so while promoting TII movie. Shame on them.
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His testimony was based on observation. There's no way an EMT can weigh someone in their home, or an ambulance, let alone an expired body. Him saying he looked underweight, doesn't necessarily mean that was the case, as shown by the coroner's report.
 
MJ Cook to Prince: "Something May be Wrong with Your Dad"

Kai Chase, Michael Jackson's cook, testified after Michael stopped breathing, Dr. Murray came downstairs in a panic and summoned Prince ... and Chase told the boy, "Something may be wrong with your dad."

Chase says it was evident there was an emergency and the housekeepers started crying.

Chase had testified MJ was on an extremely healthy diet, dining on seared ahi tuna salad for lunch the day before he died.

She found it odd that she prepared Tuscan white bean soup for MJ and Murray the night before Jackson died, but when she came to work the next morning the soup was untouched.
 
I really feel bad for the family especially Katherine. That's her son that they are talking about here and he wasn't cared for at all.
 
:(
this is all so horrible.
also, it was pretty obvious that mj was underweight, VERY underweight. it's just that so many people on here freak out if you ever mention it.
 
Ingelief said:
Extremly frail?
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I think that's a bit weird because if you are dead you are obviously very frail looking.. I just don't understand how he was like every third day frail and other days like the best condition man can be.. It must have been only because of drugs Murray didn't know what to give him from time to time so he administered sometimes very randomly? Scary there can be doctors like that.
 
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