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Preliminary Hearing 6/1/11 Day Three. Discussion thread

So you don't know the address...shout out the window, do anything! Asshat!
 
ginvid said:
But even if it took them 6 minutes to get the location, that would be much preferable than 20 minutes.
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However they say if you aren't sure of your address you can always tell them a close by business name, street name, a landmark etc, 911 will send responders to the area to look for you.

so if Murray called them and said "I'm in Holmby Hills where all the rich people and MJ lives" they would have sent an ambulance and look for it.

and seriously he could have said "the house with the Christmas decorations on the door". I really do not think there were many houses in June with Christmas wreaths on the door.
 
ginvid said:
But even if it took them 6 minutes to get the location, that would be much preferable than 20 minutes.
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also, after going to that house for at least a month maybe even more (based on the security testimony) can anyone believe that Murray didn't know the address? even if we assume he didn't know the address, he could describe how to get there, it's not that hard.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
becasue there was no monitoring equipment to warn him if something went wrong.
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So what was Dr Murderrays plan? How was he going to tell if MJ was breathing or not? Was he going to stare at Mike the entire time he was being put under?? Is that how he was going to tell if Mike was breathing or not?? This is so mindblowing and insane!!

When I had surgery many years ago and being put under I had this incredibly death anxiety thinking "what if I dont wake up". I were at a respected hospital with a great doctorteam but still I had these thoughts.. I personally cant picture Mike agreeing to this bullshitt, being put under at home without any damn equipment.. especially after what he had been through... its so insane.. smh
 
StaceyMJ said:
So you don't know the address...shout out the window, do anything! Asshat!
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Especially with an iPhone that's no excuse not to know the location and there were multiple other adults in the house, he could have asked anyone. And how can you not remember the address of a house you've been to for the last month. It doesn't matter if you don't know the post code, as long as you have a street name and number that is all you need. Its one lie after another with that bastard.
 
doesnt matter if he didnt know the address . its a none excuse. he wasnt the only person in the house.there was the chief the house keepers the kids. it was just another excuse for dealying things cause he knew mj was already gone
 
ivy said:
However they say if you aren't sure of your address you can always tell them a close by business name, street name, a landmark etc, 911 will send responders to the area to look for you.
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That's what I thought last year. Why not call them and tell them what's going on and that you don't know the address and let them tell you what to do? They will find you, I guess they have to do this at least occasionally these days with most people using cell phones.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
doesnt matter if he didnt know the address . its a none excuse. he wasnt the only person in the house.there was the chief the house keepers the kids. it was just another excuse for dealying things cause he knew mj was already gone
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True. SMDH.
 
I would like to know Murray's plan too if something went wrong. He had no monitoring equipment and there is no anecdote to reverse propofol, so what the hell was he going to do if MJ stopped breathing like he did?

This whole thing sounds like an intentional murder to me
 
elusive moonwalker said:
doesnt matter if he didnt know the address . its a none excuse. he wasnt the only person in the house.there was the chief the house keepers the kids. it was just another excuse for dealying things cause he knew mj was already gone
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exactly.... no excuse.. he could've said big white house in Holmby Hills where Michael Jackson lives.
 
ivy said:
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However they say if you aren't sure of your address you can always tell them a close by business name, street name, a landmark etc, 911 will send responders to the area to look for you.

so if Murray called them and said "I'm in Holmby Hills where all the rich people and MJ lives" they would have sent an ambulance and look for it.
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911 is pretty versed in that. I once called 911 in the US from a cell phone that was registered in Germany...I did not have an exact address except for "downtown crossing Boston, MA" and they pretty much immediately starting quizzing me because they asked me in confusion what the hell my cell phone number is all about, where I am, to describe landmarks- just as you mentioned. Also, they pretty much stayed with me on the phone to make sure they can find me- or at least get a reliable description that matched their maps.

This whole "didn't know where I am" story is rather strange for anyone.
 
Hypodermic needle is used for giving medications, as a bolus, im or sc injections and are rarely used today to administer fluids. We do not use it to administer anaesthetic drugs, fluids, blood ect... Plastic IV cannulas are in wide use today. They have a metal needle as an introducer. Once you insert it in a vein, you withdraw the needle and live plastic cannula in the chosen vein to give medications and fluids, Sorry if this is not clear enough, but English is not my languague. I hope that helped.

Both needles and IV cannulas are made in different sizes. 24 G is very small needle, The biggest one we use is 14 G cannulas.
 
ivy said:
I added this

However they say if you aren't sure of your address you can always tell them a close by business name, street name, a landmark etc, 911 will send responders to the area to look for you.

so if Murray called them and said "I'm in Holmby Hills where all the rich people and MJ lives" they would have sent an ambulance and look for it.

and seriously he could have said "the house with the Christmas decorations on the door". I really do not think there were many houses in June with Christmas wreaths on the door.
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The last sentence made me smile
 
And even if he did not know the address he could asked Michael's assistant to call 911 he could have asked Kai to call 911. And there was telephone in the room
 
StacyJ said:
I would like to know Murray's plan too if something went wrong. He had no monitoring equipment and there is no anecdote to reverse propofol, so what the hell was he going to do if MJ stopped breathing like he did?

This whole thing sounds like an intentional murder to me
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I might be wrong, but I was under the impression that there actually IS no antidote for Propofol itself.
 
There were other people in the house who knew the address and I'm sure there was a landline in the house. Bottom line Murray knew what he did and he wanted to delay and hide it.
 
Murray told the EMT that the IV in the leg was because MJ was dehydrated from rehearsal.

What a liar.
 
This is what makes me so angry. In addition to the fact that Michael is dead, all these things come out that Murray do not tell the truth about alot of stuff. But yet, we're supposed to give him an unlimited pass while he blames everyone else for his obvious screw-ups? That is straight-up stupid and it is also the most enraging thing about this as it is. MJ fans aside, I've lost faith in humanity if this is how it's going to be. There's nothing left. Just nothing. Sorry. But I am very frustrated, disgusted and sad right now.
 
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26 Murray cell activities from 6:30am to 4:03pm but no call to 911.

Murray had two phones.

Defense questioned about collapsed veins being a result of a drug addict. EMT said there was NO sign of drug abuse.

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PrincessMichaela said:
Do they have the content from the texts or just the info regarding where, when, and who?
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elusive moonwalker said:
anyone know if the phone company can actually pull out your text message. ie what u sent or is it just the time
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Sophielo said:
No they cant tell what you write. They can tell what time you sent it and to what number.
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apparently (by a google search I learned that ) log and content of cell phone messages are kept for some time by the carriers (Depending on the carrier it could range from a few days to several months). and yes they can provide the content of the text messages only if they are subpoenaed and if they haven't already deleted them.

However they say the best way to go is actually subpoena the headset / cell phone used as it's possible to recover even deleted messages from a cell phone.
 
Jesus, the more I read the testimonials and updates the more it really appears that Murray did everything in his power PURPOSEFULLY (in my opinion) to prevent Michael from being saved. This is really incredible and infuriating.
 
im wondering i do not know if this ok to see so if not plz sorry

but now in murrays shoes.. what the heck does he going to see to clear up all those lies everyday the list is longer... i would should myself
 
Paramedics despacthed at 12.22 and arrived and 12.26. It took the ambulance 4 minutes. If the 911 call was places by Dr Murderray a minute after he found MJ not breathing (which he apparantly told the EMT) and if Dr Murderray had done proper CPR and told the EMTs what kind of medications he had given to Mike, then he would still be here. So why is this only IM???????????????
 
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