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Aniram said:
^ That's the ONLY line that even REMOTELY resembles Michael Jackson? I'm sorry, no offense, but that's silly!!! Why would Sony ever release something on a Michael Jackson album that doesn't even remotely resemble Michael Jackson whatsoever.
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That is what my ears tell me.
I'm sorry if it's different to what you think.

Why would Sony pay a fortune for the (fake) Cascio tracks in the first place?.
LOL. You say Sony this, Sony that, like they're saints. They're nothing but wolf inna sheep clothes.
They may have acted out of "innocence" (can anybody relate the words Sony and innocence together? I can't) believing in the Cascio's, or because they really hired the forensic musicologys (which sounds like the biggest lie ever), but still... Sony is still Sony.
 
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Julia55 said:
The chorus does sound like Michael in parts but it's so over produced it's hard to tell. The verses Are NOT sung by Michael, it is obvious from the forced vibrato. I'm a singer myself, I know forced vibrato when I hear it and Michael never did that, his vibrato is very natural and he doesn't always use it on every single line like that.
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you say your a singer, well u need to check out melodyne cuz thats what was used on the cascio tracks to make his vocals on "key" and "pitch" for the songs, hence the forced vibrato, it can be done with melodyne and it has been said in interviews that they used the program on his vocals for the song, and it is quite obvious to those with an ear if you know what melodyne can do, look it up on youtube, here is an example of what melodyne can do, tell me if it doesnt sound like he sang this a totally different way as opposed to it being a remix using melodyne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJb9SxNUTRo


n tell me his voice doesnt sound a little like the cascio tracks at some points on this one, and we know this is him for sure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz95guKo-aY&feature=related
 
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"Originally Posted by MJRemixed View Post
As someone pointed out to me the other day:

"Shes looking for a job.......She's working two jobs"

Great lyrics

Michael would be so proud."


Maybe this is called poetic license and it has to do with song writting? Maybe he is refering to a different people and not just one woman since this an inspirational song? Maybe you all just chill and stop acting like you know everything about how Michael wrotte or sing. Really now.
 
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deebee09 said:
That is what my ears tell me.
I'm sorry if it's different to what you think.

Why would Sony pay a fortune for the (fake) Cascio tracks in the first place?.
LOL. You say Sony this, Sony that, like they're saints. They're nothing but wolf inna sheep clothes.
They may have acted out of "innocence" (can anybody relate the words Sony and innocence together? I can't) believing in the Cascio's, or because they really hired the forensic musicologys (which sounds like the biggest lie ever), but still... Sony is still Sony.
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Hey, I believe you, I know Sony aren't saints and are in it for the money, but remember the fanbase you're messing with.

This album is going to be listened to by millions and millions of people, overanalyzed by the obsessing fans.

You think they'd risk all that to hire an imposter like Jason Malachi, who has about 2 million Youtube hits and people post comments on how he doesn't sound like Michael?

Remember Michael said he was always working on music, he 'never stopped'? Michael Jackson was a gold mine of musical genius. There's no reason you'd need to fake any of his songs.

Think if you had access to his vault, you'd hear things and go 'This needs to be released somehow.'

Faking the vocals seems very suspicious to me. I would really like to see more information about the process this album was made. We need real explanations, details as to why Michael sounds the way he does on the three tracks in question.
 
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Aniram said:
Hey, I believe you, I know Sony aren't saints and are in it for the money, but remember the fanbase you're messing with.

This album is going to be listened to by millions and millions of people, overanalyzed by the obsessing fans.

You think they'd risk all that to hire an imposter like Jason Malachi, who has about 2 million Youtube hits and people post comments on how he doesn't sound like Michael?
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I didn't say Sony would.
Maybe the Cascio's.

For so long, it's been said that Michael stayed at the Cascio's and that he had been working on music. None of us had a lot of information on the subject. We didn't have official song titles, or whatsoever. The Cascio's saw the way in, they saw the light and they went all in.
Maybe they were really good to Michael, and they were loyal to him, WHILE he was still alive. But now, I'm smelling that they're trying to make a name in the industry, and what could be better than having worked with the best ever himself?

Aniram said:
Remember Michael said he was always working on music, he 'never stopped'? Michael Jackson was a gold mine of musical genius. There's no reason you'd need to fake any of his songs.
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That's true. I bet there's a gold mine in those vaults, but you know what? None of these questionable tracks are gold. Not even close.
Breaking News? Monster? Keep Your Head Up? All I Need?
Can you picture a Billie Jean type of success with any of those?.
More so with Behind The Mask, right?

In "Monster", the part where he sings "and you're running and you're running just to escape it" makes me want to vomit everytime I hear it. It's so obvious.

Aniram said:
Faking the vocals seems very suspicious to me. I would really like to see more information about the process this album was made. We need real explanations, details as to why Michael sounds the way he does on the three tracks in question.
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Don't you think there is a tremendous lack of information about this album?.
They could have done a lot of footage, kinda like This Is It, interviews with people talking about how every track got done with what MJ left.
We all know Sony never lets a chance to make money escape, and yet they did, with this album.

Don't you think it was suspicious releasing of Breaking News worldwide, streaming, live? Remember we're talking about the first MICHAEL JACKSON album since he passed, and they decided THAT was THE song to let the world know first off the yet-to-be-released album? Why that one? When it's clearly, not the best one, not even close, whether you think it's fake or not.
 
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You bring up very good points, and they are mostly the same questions I have.

The Cascio's seem sincere, for the most part. Eddie could be lying, that's always a possibility, but the entire family? I don't think the entire family would be in on it for all the money in the world. They lost Michael and are obviously very hurt by it.

I agree with you that Behind the Mask is much more of a Billie Jean type hit, but let's also keep in mind that it's a THRILLER outtake!

Some people thought the same thing about Invincible. Think of releasing the title track of that album, Invincible, next to Billie Jean. Sure, Invincible is an amazing song, but Billie Jean wins by a long long shot.

I agree, however, there's something very wrong about these tracks.
I love Michael Jackson, and I noticed it immediately.

But I'm not totally convinced they're fake or real. I really need more info on that. In my opinion, this has been handled as poorly as possible. I don't want to hear Teddy or Eddie tell me they're real, I want them to show me their studio and what went down. Why is that so difficult? Someone has to have some better evidence.

However, I do think it's odd that we were being told the tracks had fake vocals before Breaking News even came out, so I have thought this whole thing is just a bogus conspiracy to divide the united Michael Jackson fanbase.
 
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eXceLOfFam1 said:
you say your a singer, well u need to check out melodyne cuz thats what was used on the cascio tracks to make his vocals on "key" and "pitch" for the songs, hence the forced vibrato, it can be done with melodyne and it has been said in interviews that they used the program on his vocals for the song, and it is quite obvious to those with an ear if you know what melodyne can do, look it up on youtube, here is an example of what melodyne can do, tell me if it doesnt sound like he sang this a totally different way as opposed to it being a remix using melodyne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJb9SxNUTRo


n tell me his voice doesnt sound a little like the cascio tracks at some points on this one, and we know this is him for sure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz95guKo-aY&feature=related
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On that remix you just sent there is no forced vibrato like on the Cascio tracks. I already stated at times on the Cascio tracks I think it is Michael but not enough to be called 'a Michael Jackson song'.

I do know what producers are capable of but that argument works both ways. They have distorted the voices a lot on the Cascio tracks and I think they have done that so it's hard to compare the different vocals or to compare different tracks. All the other tracks on the album are Michael's voice and sound great. Why didn't those producers feel the need to use 'Melodyne' on the other tracks?

The bottom line is, it doesn't sound like him and they can't prove it because they say the computer broke down and they lost the original recordings. How convenient.
 
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Oh no, first I really believed Michael is the singer of the Cascio Tracks but after watching this it seems I was wrong :(

But that's just so sad, I really like those 3 songs, especially Keep Your Head Up. I know that the lyrics aren't something special but still....:(
Now that's really a f***ing disgrace what Sony did! Putting 3 fake songs on the album and making people think they're real - so I fell in love with this songs and thought "Wow, Michael did a good job!", just to realise now that this is a huge fraud!

I'm really sad now :(
 
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deebee09 said:
I didn't say Sony would.
Maybe the Cascio's.

For so long, it's been said that Michael stayed at the Cascio's and that he had been working on music. None of us had a lot of information on the subject. We didn't have official song titles, or whatsoever. The Cascio's saw the way in, they saw the light and they went all in.
Maybe they were really good to Michael, and they were loyal to him, WHILE he was still alive. But now, I'm smelling that they're trying to make a name in the industry, and what could be better than having worked with the best ever himself?



That's true. I bet there's a gold mine in those vaults, but you know what? None of these questionable tracks are gold. Not even close.
Breaking News? Monster? Keep Your Head Up? All I Need?
Can you picture a Billie Jean type of success with any of those?.
More so with Behind The Mask, right?

In "Monster", the part where he sings "and you're running and you're running just to escape it" makes me want to vomit everytime I hear it. It's so obvious.
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It's 2011, no song will ever have a impact like Billie Jean did, not one. As far as being a mainstream hit, Monster would be considered "gold", the other songs were more for the fans, I assume. Behind The Mask has a dated sound to it, despite all the production that went in to it to make it sound modern, you can still tell it's from the 80's, that wouldn't be a hit today.
 
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Nonoka said:
Oh no, first I really believed Michael is the singer of the Cascio Tracks but after watching this it seems I was wrong :(

But that's just so sad, I really like those 3 songs, especially Keep Your Head Up. I know that the lyrics aren't something special but still....:(
Now that's really a f***ing disgrace what Sony did! Putting 3 fake songs on the album and making people think they're real - so I fell in love with this songs and thought "Wow, Michael did a good job!", just to realise now that this is a huge fraud!

I'm really sad now :(
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:no: It is definitely a disgrace...I'm here if you wanna chat....:huggy:
 
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Nonoka said:
Oh no, first I really believed Michael is the singer of the Cascio Tracks but after watching this it seems I was wrong :(

But that's just so sad, I really like those 3 songs, especially Keep Your Head Up. I know that the lyrics aren't something special but still....:(
Now that's really a f***ing disgrace what Sony did! Putting 3 fake songs on the album and making people think they're real - so I fell in love with this songs and thought "Wow, Michael did a good job!", just to realise now that this is a huge fraud!

I'm really sad now :(
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I'm sad to see you changed your mind about the tracks. Yes, Jason sounds similar, that's why he is the best known voice-alike. But Michael also sounds like Michael, doesn't he? He laso has many different singing styles, some closer to Jason's range than others. Michael's range was incredible. But I do believe we have to trust it's Michael on a Michael Jackson cd until it's a proven fraud. And since noone seems to be taking any legal action, I assume there is no case. Thus Michael is singing this lovely song. Take some logic in consideration, not just raw emotions. I just hope fans will enjoy the album as it's one of Michael's last gifts.
 
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l have new album and l just skip the Cascio Track

Sony are doing wrong
 
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Personally speaking I don't have ANY faith that these are MJ's vocals on the Cascio tracks, but what I DO have is respect for other peoples opinions and feelings towards the subject.

No one here has any concrete proof supporting either side of the argument, therefore these threads are just that - an argument.

Try as we may to hold a civil debate on this subject, it has always turned into a bitching session. Again, personally speaking, seeing MJ fans being fighting with one another is the biggest tragedy of the whole "MICHAEL" event....

I know I'm not adding much to the "debate", but having read the thread, I don't see too many posts that actually are. Perhaps we'd have more success with this thread, if we just stuck to a "I like this track because.../I dislike this track because..." type discussion rather than just screaming "It's Real / It's Fake" at one another?

The post above by Medhi, is simply all that need to be said - if you dislike the tracks (for any reason), then skip 'em and enjoy the rest of the album - that's exactly what I do, and I'm still left with 7 tracks that make me smile.

Us MJ fans are very opinionated and rightfully so, but without hard core evidence on the source of the vocals, we cannot go around causing un-necessary upset and distress to one another, regardless of how strongly we feel about it.

If we invested our energy in a more positive and constructive fashion towards Sony and co, we might actually stand a chance of getting the answers we all want and so desperately need.

Maybe it's because the X-files is on, but the truth is out there people, so lets join together and go find it!

Peace
 
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Roosje said:
Take some logic in consideration,
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Whats more logical than listening to what your ears tell you? My ears flat out tell me that these two voices are the same. It wouldnt be logical to try and convince yourselves otherwise.

If you choose to believe these vocals are Michael's simply because they are on a Michael Jackson album then you are clearly ignoring the MASSIVE resemblance between Michael's vocals and the Cascio tracks.

Music shouldnt be about logic, forensic scientists, tests etc. Its about feeling and emotion. Many of us have had massive suspicions that it was Malachi on Breaking News since the very first listen. Now its becoming very apparent to many that it is him on the songs.

I no longer have any doubts.
 
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We posted several links to compare Michael's voice and the one of other people like Malachi's one.
Listen to breaking news, monster, keep your head up and the snippet of stay.

Then listen to this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEdyxV1lsdg

I don't want to declare it's Malachi who is the impersonator but that's one more video to make your opinion and compare.
 
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:sigh: I really hate that this is happening. I'm gonna admit that i had grown to like the 3 songs. But the thought of them being fake really upsets me. I want to listen to a great song 100% sung by MJ. Not listening to it, breaking down every verse wondering if its genuine.

I do still think its Michael singing, its just the uncertainty is always there :(
I'm worried this will never be cleared up.
 
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MJ_Jordan said:
:sigh: I really hate that this is happening. I'm gonna admit that i had grown to like the 3 songs. But the thought of them being fake really upsets me. I want to listen to a great song 100% sung by MJ. Not listening to it, breaking down every verse wondering if its genuine.

I do still think its Michael singing, its just the uncertainty is always there :(
I'm worried this will never be cleared up.
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Just don't pay attention to them, then you don't get effected by it. Just enjoy the song.
Right now is all speculation, nobody has any proof or facts.
 
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If you can't hear MJ right there, than you were never a MJ fan
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Yeah 'cos I threw all my albums in the bin after not hearing MJ there.

^ That's the ONLY line that even REMOTELY resembles Michael Jackson? I'm sorry, no offense, but that's silly!!! Why would Sony ever release something on a Michael Jackson album that doesn't even remotely resemble Michael Jackson whatsoever.
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If you can still sell something why change it when so many people are gonna fall for it? Hell I wouldn't - but I'd feel ashamed at the same time.
 
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I'm listening to it now and there is still no doubt in my mind that it is THE Michael Jackson.
 
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GThomson93 said:
I'm listening to it now and there is still no doubt in my mind that it is THE Michael Jackson.
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I just listened to that JM video posted earlier, then to Keep Your Head Up. Singing style might be similar, but Michael's soul and personal touch is clearly present in Keep Your Head Up. No doubt, this is a huge diffrence. JM might be a good voice imitator, he doesn't have Michael's depth.
 
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"If you can't hear MJ right there, than you were never a MJ fan"

Who the hell said this? You should be banned for saying the most stupid thing ever to be said here on MJJC.
 
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Pentum said:
"If you can't hear MJ right there, than you were never a MJ fan"

Who the hell said this? You should be banned for saying the most stupid thing ever to be said here on MJJC.
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While I don't agree with what the guy said. It aint the worst thing to be said. Your sig is.
 
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GThomson93 said:
While I don't agree with what the guy said. It aint the worst thing to be said. Your sig is.
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You think that saying Jason Malachi is the singer on the Cascio tracks is worse than saying somebody isnt a fan just because they dont hear Michael on these songs?

Right.....at least TRY to be impartial. Good grief.
 
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She's looking for a job and a finer place to stay,
She's looking for the hope and the empty promises,
She's working two jobs, keeping alive,
She works in a restaurant during day,
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Fail...
 
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^ Very bad written.
 
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^ Should have included a hand-written note by MJ explaining what those lines exactly mean (cus its SO obvious!) so we would not be having this discussion right now :lol:
 
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smooth_criminal05 said:
^Looking for a better job?
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If it was meant as "looking for a better job", they would have worded it as so. Either that, or they would have connected the two subjects of "job" and "place", and worded it as "looking for a finer job and place to stay". But because they've described it as looking for "a job" and "a finer place", the two subjects are seperated, and it means just as it's been spelt: Looking for a job. Looking for a finer place.

I don't think it's possible to squeeze in any implications of "better" in there, it is what it is.
 
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