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Dr. Patrick Treacy: Had experience with MJ and Propofol while in Ireland! / Interview posted at pg3

It's his opinion based only on what he witnessed two years ago, not an actual fact.
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Murray defense have been doing the same thing! So what's the problem?! His attorney has been on television implying MJ may have been a drug addict for yrs!! Saying Murray doesn't know what else MJ was taking and by what other doctors! Literally blaming MJ himself and other Doctors except for his client Murray!
 
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lets put it like this if the dr from ireland were saying the opposite. you dont think murray would jump on that and use it for his defence? of course he would.so it does work both ways. the question is whether the pros want to go there
 
Murray can say whatever he wants, if he cannot prove, he won't succeed. Imo Michael's family has helped Murray implying Michael had a drug problem. Here, for example Janet in this interview with Oprah, she says Michael had a problem they (the family) were aware of and they tried interventions several times. I think she gave Murray what he needed on a silver plate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf8KwQ_Jr6Y


I would like to add that what catches my attention is that according to this article several drugs were found in Michael's house, prescribed by different doctors, but only Murray was charged.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/08/micha...fol-cause-of-death-homicide-dr-conrad-murray/

UPDATE: As for what drugs were found in Michael Jackson's house ... authorities found Diazepam (for anxiety) prescribed by Dr. Murray, Lorazepam (for anxiety) prescribed by Dr. Murray and Temazepam (for insomnia) prescribed by Dr. Murray. Authorities also found Clonazepam (for panic disorders) prescribed by Dr. Allan Metzger, Trazodone (an anti-depressant) prescribed by Dr. Metzger. And they found Tizanidine (a muscle relaxer) prescribed to Omar Arnold (a Jackson alias) prescribed by Dr. Arnold Klein. There was also an empty vial of Propofol injectable emulsion and an empty glass vial of a Flumazenil injection (which reverses effects of sedation) and a broken syringe.

As we first reported, authorities found 11 vials of Propofol ... 3 100 ml vials and 8 20 ml vials. None of the bottles had prescription directions, patient or doctor names.

They also found liquid Midazolam (anti-anxiety), Lorazepam liquid (injectable) and 14 capsules of ephedrine (for narcolepsy and depression), caffeine aspirin, Zanaflex (a muscle relaxer) and Prednisone (for skin conditions). There was also Azithromycin (an antibiotic), prescribed by Dwight James/Cherilyn Lee and the patient name was Kathlyn Hursey.
 
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I would like to add that what catches my attention is that according to this article several drugs were found in Michael's house, prescribed by different doctors, but only Murray was charged.
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why would the other drs be charged. they did nothing illegal. metzger prescribed the drugs for mjs insomnia same with kilen.and lee prescribed an antibiotic for an infection they didnt give mj diprivan outside of a hospital setting with no equipment and OD him on loz ontop of that. thats what murray is charged for. the police investigated talk of "dr shopping" and charges of supplying to an addict as at the begining this is what they thought this case was about hence why it was written on offical documents but found no such evidence of it which can be seen below and by the small amount of prescriptions that were written for mj.


According to the coroner's report 21 tabs of Lorazepam had been taken from the box of 30 since 28th April when they were prescribed.. the prescription was to take one a day. so that shows that mj had hardly been taking the tablets at all. that info totally ridicules any claims by these "fans" that mj was addcited to the Lorazepam

also it is the same with the diazepam and temazepam bottles thats were found A bottle of 60 diazepam 10mg tablets were prescribed by Murray on 20th June, the dose was half to one tablet every 6 hours. 57 were still in the bottle. so mj was hardly touching them.the reports shows he could have taken 2 or 3 at the most b4 the 25th. well below what was prescribed. temazepam had been prescibed in december 08 out of 30 tablets 3 remained. and this drug was not found in mj so he had not been taken b4 the 25th.
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That was my understanding also. When I heard that no other Doctors would be charged, I was wondering why? But looking at all those pres meds that we saw over the years (the ones shown after the raid), it seems that, ya, MJ was prescribed a lot of stuff but when you look closer and read carefully, we can see that Michael was not abusing meds. In fact he rarely took the whole thing.

It also leads me to believe that those prescriptions under aliases were for confidentiality purposes and not for abuse.

And I think that's what the investigaters concluded also: Pres meds had nothing to do with Michael's death. Propofol given without proper equipment is solely responsable in this case. Hopefully the jury will see this too.
 
Pres meds had nothing to do with Michael's death. Propofol given without proper equipment is solely responsable in this case.
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Exactly! He had hardly even touch the Pres Meds that were prescribe to him! Plus, 7 other doctors where investigated and they were cleared! Murray is the only one charged because he is the one responsible for his death by given him Propofol without proper equipment, not moderating him when he gave it to him, and overdosing him with it!
 
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exactly.

It also leads me to believe that those prescriptions under aliases were for confidentiality purposes and not for abuse
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yes that very common for celebs. its no illegal aslong as their real name is inside the file as mjs were
 
Murray was really hoping that some other doctor was charged so that he could blame someone else, but since he's the only one that means no one else is responsible but him. He was the only that agreed to give MJ propofol as a sleep aid when the others that were asked about it, wisely said No because they knew it could be dangerous. All Murray had to say was 'no' too and Mike would be alive and Murray would not be facing charges right now. Murray only has himself to blame. Ain't nobody put a gun to his head to tell him to give MJ propofol.. He could've been a good doctor and suggested other alternatives for MJ and even accompanied MJ to find him some help but he didn't and he must pay the consequences.
 
I found this on MJJCOMMUNITY, posted by bluetopez
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/a-place-in-your-heart/2010/09/24/reflection...
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INFO: Patrick Treacy, is a cosmetic doctor and humanitarian from Dublin, Ireland,
“I first met Michael after his Santa Maria trial when he was living in Ireland (2006-2007),” said Treacy. "Michael had approached Treacy hoping he would take him on as a patient while there, to help him manage his dermatological conditions. From there, a professional relationship, as well as a friendship, blossomed."
Patrick Treacy did an interview on a radio show called "A Place In Your Heart" with Rev. Catherine Gross that Aired on September 24, 2010. So I'm a little late with this but, I just heard the interview and thought it was important info and wanted to share for those who may not have known this info?



The show was dedicated to the "Reflections on The Dance" website and the one who made the site and why she did it! During the interview Dr. Patrick Treacy phoned in! He wrote an article for the "Reflection on the dance" website about MJ and has talk through emails to the site maker!


He shared information about his experience with MJ and Propofol saying he was in the same situation with MJ and Propofol! He said MJ refused to used Propofol without a anesthetist and he has good evidence of this (graphic evidence!) The months that MJ was in Ireland and was friends with him he wrote one or two prescriptions for MJ that were for minor things like colds! None were for insomnia! He never seen drugs in MJ's home, always seen MJ in his full mental state and never sluggish!



He expresses his agreement with the opinion of the owner of the radio show about how she thinks Murray did this on purpose leaving MJ alone to die! He shares that he might be called as a witness so he can't share a lot on the show and would testify to defend MJ in court! He can not believe MJ would do this to himself knowing MJ refuse things such as Propofol with out proper care in the past and doesn't think in two yrs MJ would all of a sudden changed his opinion on that!



He says that where he lives he too been offered 5 to 6 figures to sell Michael out in the media just like others have, <_< he refused of course and said there isn't anything bad to say about MJ anyway! He makes a point that this doesn't happen in just America! He says he fears the trial cause he knows they will make MJ out to be a addict when he wasn't!



I truly hope Dr. Treacy is definitely called as a witness after hearing this info!
He also shares how MJ was a good, caring and funny person! Very talented and was good at playing guitar and piano and how knowledgeable and smart about many things MJ was that would surprise him! Things that he didn't even know about! lol
from the same thread posted by StephluvsMJ http://www.blogtalkradio.com/a-place-in-your-heart/2010/10/15/dr-patrick...
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Dr Treacy also mentioned in a different interview that during Michael stay in Ireland, he had undergone a surgical procedure... MJ was in quite a bit of pain afterwards, and the doctor had offered him something to help ease the pain, and Michael flat-out refused it. He spent the rest of the recovery period putting up with the pain without taking any medication at all. He said it's hard to believe that in a two year period, Michael had gone from making up any excuse he could find NOT to take medication that he NEEDED, to pretty much accepting this dangerous drug that he didn't need, from doctor that was not qualified to give it to him.
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I Just finished hearing the interview and yes the Dr. Said MJ had a procedure done and it was on his nose! He went to MJ house after MJ had it done and MJ didn't want anything for the pain! He just sorta ran around the room sorta covering his face and saying "it hurts", "it burns!" He said something about MJ wanting to get the bridge of his nose extended!
If I'm not mistaken we heard rumors before that MJ got his nose fixed to look better? So it could be that the Dr. was talking about? Because MJ nose did look much more....what's the word?.... Thicker/bigger then previous times? If It's okay for me to say that here? Don't want to offend or be disrespectful but, it was part of the covo so I say it to try to understand why?!
He also mentions that MJ did use Propofol before while in his presents but, won't say for what the procedure it was used for!? And didn't want to say any other procedure MJ had with them!?
But, he said it was never used without a anesthetist and MJ wouldn't used any sedative like that without an anesthetist present!
So, yea same thing as before just a little more detailed and he feels this info will come into trial and that's why he won't say to much!
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Thank you for all this.

I saw this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xL7zvkwdHk

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Seems he has a theory about AEG..
 
this is all very painful for me as a fan because i want Michael to get the justice he deserves. But as more then a fan i know Michael wasn't an addict because he didn't ACT like a druggie which i know for a fact an from seeing it on a daily bases. If Michael was against using painkillers then i sure as hell dont think he would use this crap with out proper people. If Doc Murray used this without proper knowledge then im sure mj didnt accept it and wouldnt have used it at all. i think a lot of things like, Michael was drugged a lot by people surrounding him which for some contract signings ones that he dont remember signing thats when he was drugged. To get him to do something he really didnt want to do..... but thats my opinion.
 
bluetopez;3026898 said:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/a-plac.../24/reflections-on-the-dance-deborah-l-kunesh Pt.1

INFO: Patrick Treacy, is a cosmetic doctor and humanitarian from Dublin, Ireland,

“I first met Michael after his Santa Maria trial when he was living in Ireland (2006-2007),” said Treacy. "Michael had approached Treacy hoping he would take him on as a patient while there, to help him manage his dermatological conditions. From there, a professional relationship, as well as a friendship, blossomed."

Patrick Treacy did an interview on a radio show called "A Place In Your Heart" with Rev. Catherine Gross that Aired on September 24, 2010. So I'm a little late with this but, I just heard the interview and thought it was important info and wanted to share for those who may not have known this info? :scratch:

The show was dedicated to the "Reflections on The Dance" website and the one who made the site and why she did it! During the interview Dr. Patrick Treacy phoned in! He wrote an article for the "Reflection on the dance" website about MJ and has talk through emails to the site maker!

He shared information about his experience with MJ and Propofol saying he was in the same situation with MJ and Propofol! He said MJ refused to used Propofol without a anesthetist and he has good evidence of this (graphic evidence!) The months that MJ was in Ireland and was friends with him he wrote one or two prescriptions for MJ that were for minor things like colds! None were for insomnia! He never seen drugs in MJ's home, always seen MJ in his full mental state and never sluggish! :clapping:

He expresses his agreement with the opinion of the owner of the radio show about how she thinks Murray did this on purpose leaving MJ alone to die! :bugeyed:mat:He shares that he might be called as a witness so he can't share a lot on the show and would testify to defend MJ in court! :D He can not believe MJ would do this to himself knowing MJ refuse things such as Propofol with out proper care in the past and doesn't think in two yrs MJ would all of a sudden changed his opinion on that! :agree:

He says that where he lives he too been offered 5 to 6 figures to sell Michael out in the media just like others have, <_< he refused of course and said there isn't anything bad to say about MJ anyway! He makes a point that this doesn't happen in just America! He says he fears the trial cause he knows they will make MJ out to be a addict when he wasn't! :(

I truly hope Dr. Treacy is definitely called as a witness after hearing this info!:yes:

He also shares how MJ was a good, caring and funny person! Very talented and was good at playing guitar and piano :wild: and how knowledgeable and smart about many things MJ was that would surprise him!:wub: Things that he didn't even know about! lol


There is a Part Two! Everyone wanted to talk again. I haven't heard it yet! But, I will! And if I hear something of the same importance I will definitely share! :D
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thanks for posting, but can you please cut out the smileys when its about a topic that serious??
 
Re: Dr. Patrick Treacy: Had experience with MJ and Propofol while in Ireland!

elusive moonwalker said:
ok thanks

yeah at this stage its nothing but hearsay created out of a vague statement from a lawsuit. unless murray can get someone to testify to giving it to him for the same reasons as murray did then muray cant use that in any trial. thats why my concern with this. unless the dip was gonna be used say for dental work for eg and not just sleeping then thats ok.but anything else and murray will jump on it. which makes me feel uneasy about this entire thread as its putting this info out there for murray and his ppl to find
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my concern also. There is too much discussed in public before, all the time and everything ...
 
the article is very positive...and anyone that had to have surgery used propofol...it is the most common substance used...
 
While it maybe true the Michael was addicted to prescription drugs such as Propofol (now defunct) the defense will have to bend over backwards around laws, because of one simple thing, Dr Murray PRESCRIBED the Propofol and administered it, the defense can claim that Michael killed himself, but without hard evidence, it appears as if Murray will never get back into this work field again.
 
larry141094 said:
While it maybe true the Michael was addicted to prescription drugs such as Propofol (now defunct) the defense will have to bend over backwards around laws, because of one simple thing, Dr Murray PRESCRIBED the Propofol and administered it, the defense can claim that Michael killed himself, but without hard evidence, it appears as if Murray will never get back into this work field again.
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Oh dear. :no:

First of all, there is no research supporting the idea of Propofol being an addictive substance, let alone evidence. In chemical structure, it is similar to Vitamin E and Aspirin. People may be confusing "Propofol abuse" with "Propofol addiction" - not the same thing.

There are (however few) accounts of so-called "Propofol addicts". These are people who inject themselves up to a hundred times a day in order to experience the short-lived sort of delerious high that can happen when coming out of it, then once it's worn off, they inject again and again to retrieve that after-feeling. These people are usually medical professionals (the only people with access) injecting in a bathroom or a closet or a back room on their five minute break. This was not Michael. He took it once a night to "sleep" (although it's not actually sleep) for several hours, then he "woke up" and went about his day.

While it's not addictive in the way that nicotine or narcotics are addictive, what's formed is an addiction in the mind - And people can certainly abuse things that are not chemically addictive - Marijuana, for one. This is where things can get tricky because, in that regard, anyone can become "addicted" to anything - Food, sex, shopping, gambling, video games, tv, internet, people...

But, this is irrelevant here, because it's not the type of addiction that people are referring to when they claim he was addicted to Propofol.

Second, Propofol is NOT a prescription drug. You cannot prescribe Propofol to someone. 1) It's used for surgery. Meaning...2) You cannot take it at home and 3) Cannot administer it yourself. It is used for sedation in surgery by anesthesiologists in a hospital room. Your primary care physician cannot write you a prescription to go pick up Propofol at CVS...:doh:
 
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larry141094 said:
While it maybe true the Michael was addicted to prescription drugs such as Propofol (now defunct) the defense will have to bend over backwards around laws, because of one simple thing, Dr Murray PRESCRIBED the Propofol and administered it, the defense can claim that Michael killed himself, but without hard evidence, it appears as if Murray will never get back into this work field again.
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:mello: NO! To ur whole post! Do some research!

And Thank u Princessmichaela
 
larry141094 said:
prescription drugs such as Propofol (now defunct)
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defunct? propofol is still pretty much available and in use - just one company that manufacture it stopped their production, other drug companies still produce it.
 
ivy said:
defunct? propofol is still pretty much available and in use - just one company that manufacture it stopped their production, other drug companies still produce it.
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Oh sorry, yes i do remember reading that there's only one major Propofol manufacturer now, sorry.

And to the posts above that state Propofol is not addictive... you must be totally misinformed or out of your minds. Propofol is by definition an Opioid, and opioid's are VERY addictive, now it's not addictive if used occasionally but once in use regularly (such as taking it to get to sleep) people get addicted.
Michael was, in effect depending on it to get to sleep... anyone who disagrees with me is not only ignoring evidence but common sense.
Also whoever said that you cannot prescribe propofol is reading too much tabloids, as it was said that the bottles found were PRESCRIBED by Dr Conrad Murray
 
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And to the posts above that state Propofol is not addictive... you must be totally misinformed or out of your minds. Propofol is by definition an Opioid, and opioid's are VERY addictive, now it's not addictive if used occasionally but once in use regularly (such as taking it to get to sleep) people get addicted.
Michael was, in effect depending on it to get to sleep... anyone who disagrees with me is not only ignoring evidence but common sense.
Also whoever said that you cannot prescribe propofol is reading too much tabloids, as it was said that the bottles found were PRESCRIBED by Dr Conrad Murray
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anyone that has been around since june 09 knows diprivan is not physically addictive its been stated numerous time by expert on tv and documented on the net. and murray bought the diprivan himself for supposed usage at his clinic (another lie.) he didnt write mj a prscription for it and mj took it to the chemist lol
 
Propofol is not an opiate. It's not physically addictive. Opiates (morphine, oxycodone, codeine, etc. cause withdrawal symptoms if one is addicted and then the drugs are suddenly discontinued. Those symptoms can be severe.) Propofol does not cause physical withdrawal symptoms, although I'm sure there are nasty neurological side-effects if it's given too often. A doctor can acquire it for use, but it is never "prescribed" to a patient.
 
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Oh sorry, yes i do remember reading that there's only one major Propofol manufacturer now, sorry.

And to the posts above that state Propofol is not addictive... you must be totally misinformed or out of your minds. Propofol is by definition an Opioid, and opioid's are VERY addictive, now it's not addictive if used occasionally but once in use regularly (such as taking it to get to sleep) people get addicted.
Michael was, in effect depending on it to get to sleep... anyone who disagrees with me is not only ignoring evidence but common sense.
Also whoever said that you cannot prescribe propofol is reading too much tabloids, as it was said that the bottles found were PRESCRIBED by Dr Conrad Murray
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Im not sure where you are getting you info from but propoful is not an opiate or opiod
and it is not considered an addictive drug either. It is an anethestic it Knocks you complelty
out (coma)as in for surgery. It not even classified as a narcotic becuase of its purpose and
its can only be aquired by doctors and can not be prescribed to anyone either except as in
a hospital or surgical procedure _ The bottles found in MJs home were Not prescribe to anyone

Its not a opiate or narcotic substance such as pain killers demerol morphine codine etc etc.
It also not what one would use as a recreational drug. You also dont crave it or have withdrawal
symtoms. All Michael craved was sleep. The man couldnt sleep, all he wanted was to sleep

The sole purpose Michael used it was to be put to sleep. He may have been dependent on
it for that purpose but it was a medical condition that needed treatment, sadly Dr Murray used
propoful for Michael's treatment of insomnia when that is not its intended purpose.


I would say Michael was only addicted to sleep as we all are we need our sleep and taking
meds to acheive that as prescribed it not an adiction its a prescribes treatment for an illness
(Insomnia)

Sadly unconventional ways where used by Murray for Michael to sleep,

This drug is VERY dangerous if not monitored and administered properly The DR did neither.
He administered propoful IMPROPERLY and didnt Monitor his patient properly while under this effects
He didnt have any equipment to monitor or revive should any thing go wrong _ then he left the room
when Michael was under (Out Cold) Leaving him to die :( whith no means available to revive him

Dr Murrays's Dangerous actions showed blatant disreguard for(human) Michael (human) safety and life
 
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PrincessMichaela;3183613 said:
Oh dear. :no:

First of all, there is no research supporting the idea of Propofol being an addictive substance, let alone evidence. In chemical structure, it is similar to Vitamin E and Aspirin. People may be confusing "Propofol abuse" with "Propofol addiction" - not the same thing.
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Emm..... well... I would disagree... have you read this?

It was only in 1992 that the first human addiction case was recorded, a 31-year-old anesthesiologist who had begun injecting himself up to 100 times daily &#8220;to reduce his feelings of boredom, inner tension, and depression.&#8221; His addiction was only uncovered when he was found unconscious on the hospital&#8217;s bathroom floor one evening.

&#8220;There is a very narrow window between getting high, going unconscious, and dying, when it comes to Propofol,&#8221; Dr. Earley told Anesthesiology News. &#8220;Only a few cc's more than what's required to put a person to sleep can trigger fatal respiratory arrest. We see impaired professionals who have contusions on their face or body. That&#8217;s because they fell unconscious at a desk and hit their face, or literally fell out of a chair. And as you develop a tolerance to the drug, you need more to get high, and that brings someone close to the lethal level.&#8221;

Three years ago, Wischmeyer began the first formal study of Propofol addiction in the medical community, &#8220;A Survey of Propofol Abuse in Academic Anesthesia Programs.&#8221; One hundred and twenty-six anesthesia departments across the U.S. participated, according to Anesthesiology News. Twenty percent admitted having encountered an addiction problem among staff. Although the numbers were small&#8212;25 abusers&#8212;Wischmeyer calculated a fivefold increase in Propofol abuse over the past decade. Nearly 40 percent of residents who abused Propofol ended up dead. Others, when confronted, left the medical field instead of staying in a line of work that put them in regular contact with such a powerful addictive substance.

Another part of the problem, Wischmeyer told Anesthesiology News, is that despite the evidence of its strong addictive potential, Propofol remains mostly unregulated. The FDA does not consider it a controlled substance, and surprisingly, there are no laws requiring the drug to be registered or accounted for at hospitals or medical clinics. Traditional pharmacy rules do not apply to it. Wischmeyer discovered that 71 percent of the medical facilities he polled did nothing to regulate Propofol. As opposed to the more heavily regulated opiates, it&#8217;s easier for an addict to take a supply of Propofol from a medical stockroom and not to have the missing stock noticed.
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The article relates to MJ. One of their final comments:

And among those who have sought help at the Talbott Recovery Campus, Earley has found two common threads: almost every Propofol addict started injecting to overcome insomnia, and many had endured abusive childhoods. Two factors that could well have played a role with Michael Jackson, from the abuse dished out from his father, to his own two decade problem with sleeping.
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There are some stupid replays to this article, as usual, by a few haters.

Surce: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-08-06/americas-new-drug-addiction/

You can find the "Survey of Propofol Abuse in Academic Anesthesia Programs" here http://www.anesthesia-analgesia.org/content/105/4/1066.abstract.


BACKGROUND: Although propofol has not traditionally been considered a drug of abuse, subanesthetic doses may have an abuse potential. We used this survey to assess prevalence and outcome of propofol abuse in academic anesthesiology programs.



METHODS: E-mail surveys were sent to the 126 academic anesthesiology training programs in the United States.



RESULTS: The survey response rate was 100%. One or more incidents of propofol abuse or diversion in the past 10 yr were reported by 18% of departments. The observed incidence of propofol abuse was 10 per 10,000 anesthesia providers per decade, a fivefold increase from previous surveys of propofol abuse (P = 0.005). Of the 25 reported individuals abusing propofol, 7 died as a result of the propofol abuse (28%), 6 of whom were residents. There was no established system to control or monitor propofol as is done with opioids at 71% of programs. There was an association between lack of control of propofol (e.g., pharmacy accounting) at the time of abuse and incidence of abuse at the program (P = 0.048).



CONCLUSIONS: Propofol abuse in academic anesthesiology likely has increased over the last 10 yr. Much of the mortality is in residents. Most programs have no pharmacy accounting or control of propofol stocks. This may be of concern, given that all programs reporting deaths from propofol abuse were centers in which there was no pharmacy accounting for the drug.




IMPLICATIONS: The academic anesthesiology training programs in the United States reported 25 cases of propofol abuse during the past decade, including 7 deaths, 6 among residents. Programs with lack of control of propofol (e.g. pharmacy accounting) had a significantly higher incidence of abuse (P = 0.048).
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If they can become addicts... poor patients :no:
 
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the only known addictions releating to diprivan is ppl who injected a huge amount of times during the day. theres the info about the rush they get when they come around and normally involved drs who have access to it. this sort of addiction is not relevent to MJ .there is no phyiscal addiction like with opiates where u go through withdrawl if u dont get the drug etc. thats why ppl state its not physically addictive. any possbile addictions are irrelvent to mj it was used to sleep on a night. no one was injecting 30 times a day to get the rush when u come around. so its irrelvent
 
elusive moonwalker said:
the only known addictions releating to diprivan is ppl who injected a huge amount of times during the day. theres the info about the rush they get when they come around and normally involved drs who have access to it. this sort of addiction is not relevent to MJ .there is no phyiscal addiction like with opiates where u go through withdrawl if u dont get the drug etc. thats why ppl state its not physically addictive. any possbile addictions are irrelvent to mj it was used to sleep on a night. no one was injecting 30 times a day to get the rush when u come around. so its irrelvent
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do you mean this for diprivan only?

anyway, I have no idea (and I haven't looked for info) about what propofol abuse would cause on anyone. But if there are serious research about it as and addictive substance, then that can't be ignored. And anyway, I think we can all agree using this kind of things to get to sleep is not exactly something "healthy".
:mello:
 
do you mean this for diprivan only?
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yes. it has been documented many times.if fans can fall for murrays defence so easily then theres no chance with a jury
 
Michael wasn't using small doses of Propofol for the high! Which is what some anesthesiologist were accuse of doing when they were abusing the drug and injecting small doses that would wake them up in mins! MJ wanted to use it to get knockout for hrs! So it would be like if he had fallen asleep! To do that it would require using way more then just 25mg! Big Difference!
 
"Propofol is a short-acting anaesthestic used for inducing and maintaing generl anaestesia. It has no affinity to opiate-, benzodiazepin-, or NDMA-receptors and thus should have no potential for abuse or addiction, which are always associated with the risk of overdosing like Fentanyl or ketamine. There are only two publications describing propofol abuse. In both cases propofol was used for its sedative and relaxing property. Other possible motives for propofol abuse are sexual illusions and disinhibitions during awakening from the narcotic-induced sleep"

Cases of propofol abuse :none used propofol the way MJ reportedly used it during the History tour. injections are the pattern in those cases. Ratner was sedating MJ for long hours , at least that what a mini clinic and two doctors traveling with him would indicate.

In other words, you can abuse propofol for several reasons, but you don't actually become addicted to it. I don't believe there was any case of someone using propofol the way Ratner used it in 1996.

As for Murray obvioulsy nothing was similar to what happened in 1997 . I don't believe MJ could have survived one night if he was given propofol by Murray the way Ratner was giving it.
 
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