TMZ article about Karen Faye's testimony

Ivy, THANKS. Some people don't seem to realize that what they post on "social media" is PERMANENT, not just a passing thought, or something that can be erased. Any conversations held online can be available to the entire WORLD. Including those convos right here, on MJJC.

Does anyone have a copy of that KO interview? That would be an interesting comparison.
 


around 1:30 he starts talking about MJ's health. Actually he says he was worried for his health but MJ assured him that it was the weight he liked. He says he saw fatigue and not sleeping but asked him to sleep and be healthy. He denies drug addiction. He's not really painting a perfectly fine health IMO. It's more like the autopsy report. Yeah he had issues but that didn't kill him.
 
thank you Ivy.....Karen can tweet all the shit that she wants about Michael and drugs..HOWEVER,,No drugs were found in his system...autopsy report speaks volumes....so is she Saying that the report is a piece of shit and isn't worth the paper that it written on?? She says that she went to Kenny and them for help for Michael...does she forget about the tweets that she tweeted BEFORE Michael passed....like really Karen?? I just really dont understand her..IS it so damn hard to tell the truth for once...the whole truth?? She has told so many lies that when she may be telling the truth..her herself may not even recognize it. Like Murray...Lies on top of lies.
 
Also note, that with all of Karen Faye's spewing, she never ONCE says she ever SAW Michael taking drugs, or saw drugs in his possession, or anything like that. With "friends" like that, Michael had no need of enemies.

If she knew -- really KNEW there was a problem, then she should have done everything she could before he died, to help him. Wouldn't anyone, who really cared about Michael? She could have contacted the family, and gone public with her concerns. . . instead of spewing all that stuff --- after he died. Whatever your stance on them might be, when the Follower Fans went to K.F. with their concerns, she told them to SHUT UP. What kind of friend is THAT?
 
Also note, that with all of Karen Faye's spewing, she never ONCE says she ever SAW Michael taking drugs, or saw drugs in his possession, or anything like that. With "friends" like that, Michael had no need of enemies.

If she knew -- really KNEW there was a problem, then she should have done everything she could before he died, to help him. Wouldn't anyone, who really cared about Michael? She could have contacted the family, and gone public with her concerns. . . instead of spewing all that stuff --- after he died. Whatever your stance on them might be, when the Follower Fans went to K.F. with their concerns, she told them to SHUT UP. What kind of friend is THAT?
her and her ...I shared the truth with Michael family..those that wanted to know...well IF he had a problem with drugs..WHY didn't he go to the family before he died???? IS that too hard of a question for her to answer. she tries to make it sound like she did all this good stuff to try and save Michael.....her tweets contradict everything that the autopsy report states. So how in the heck is she to be believed? I am sure she will have an answer for all questions asked to her. The question is ARE they the truth..or just HER truth.
 
Also note, that with all of Karen Faye's spewing, she never ONCE says she ever SAW Michael taking drugs, or saw drugs in his possession, or anything like that. With "friends" like that, Michael had no need of enemies.

If she knew -- really KNEW there was a problem, then she should have done everything she could before he died, to help him. Wouldn't anyone, who really cared about Michael? She could have contacted the family, and gone public with her concerns. . . instead of spewing all that stuff --- after he died. Whatever your stance on them might be, when the Follower Fans went to K.F. with their concerns, she told them to SHUT UP. What kind of friend is THAT?

Agree.

How sad. Poor Michael.... :(
 
Mcdonalds. LMAO.

Right, okay, Michael was in a difficult position but please, he knew what kind of superstar he was. She's talking shit.
 
Jermaine on twitter:
jermjackson5
We shld take a breath & await facts before we judge. Karen Faye was a true friend to Michael. He knew it. We know it. Pls understand this
5 minutes ago

It upsets me -- it wld upset Michael -- seeing @wingheart vilified by some based on selective, out-of-context quote from a police report
8 minutes ago
 
Jermaine on twitter:

I actually agree with jermaine. She can be bashed for all of the other bs, but not for that statement. I think tmz got the reaction they wanted out of you guys. She didn't literally mean that he would be working there, it was a kinda tounge in cheek response. MJ just meant that if he didn't do this tour, he would be in such a bad financial situation, he would have to work there(but not literally)
 
It is SO stupid... ALL of his "so called friends" Say : ooh he needed help SOO much, But NONE of them DID anything!! o_O And NOW they ALL play Heroes????
 
She didn't literally mean that he would be working there, it was a kinda tounge in cheek response. MJ just meant that if he didn't do this tour, he would be in such a bad financial situation, he would have to work there(but not literally)

Yes, he might have said that. People say that if they fear that their financial situation could turn for the worse for whatever reason. It's sarcasm.

People should be more upset about all the other things she said according to this TMZ article, choose your battles wisely and avoid those that are only a distraction from the important things.
 
Oh, for cripes sake! There's someone on Twitter called "jermjackson5?" Uhm, guys, we don't even know that's Jermaine, and if so, how would he KNOW, anyway.

And if that IS Jermaine (and this goes for anyone else, as well), if he KNOWS something about Michael and the Murray case, why tweet to fans? Why not go directly to police and make your voice heard?
 
It is SO stupid... ALL of his "so called friends" Say : ooh he needed help SOO much, But NONE of them DID anything!! o_O And NOW they ALL play Heroes????

Exactly!!


Karen can talk all the crap she wants to. It all boils down to her knowing MJ was struggling physically and emotionally and she did absolutely nothing to help him. NOTHING AT ALL!!!

Again why didn't Karen go to Randy Jackson or to Katherine Jackson with her concerns about MJ's weight loss and sleep deprivation?
 
Oh, for cripes sake! There's someone on Twitter called "jermjackson5?" Uhm, guys, we don't even know that's Jermaine, and if so, how would he KNOW, anyway.

And if that IS Jermaine (and this goes for anyone else, as well), if he KNOWS something about Michael and the Murray case, why tweet to fans? Why not go directly to police and make your voice heard?

it's his official twitter account I believe
 
it's his official twitter account I believe

All that tweeting isn't getting anywhere. If Karen Faye and/or the Jacksons KNOW something further than what's being said about Michael's situation before he died, that would impact the Murray trial, then they need to go straight to the police, and if they don't take them seriously, then take out an ad in Billboard, or do anything else they can. They should all DO something! Other than tweeting about it.

I seriously doubt that a "true friend" would steal money from fans, or trash Michael online. (some folks are still waiting for their fifty dollars back).

(edit) I wonder how that BOOK of hers is coming along?
 
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poor jermaine completely unaware that karen has said some very bad things about him to fans on her then-secret facebook page and also on her official facebook page. what im gonna post now is some things of what karen said from a period of july 2009 -february 2010.

karen told fans that Jermaine and Grace used to sleep together and this disturbed Mike a lot and he thought it was gross

karen has said that michael was very very angry with jermaine before he dided. karen apparantly never said why mj was angry with but she said jermaine had upset michael very much and he didnt wanted to see him. according to Karen, Michael told her this when she was making him ready for rehearsals.

karen told fans that Michaels kids were running around wild at hayvenhurst and swearing/cussing. when ppl asked her more about this she blamed the situation at hayvehurst on JERMAINES CHILDREN (and NOT Randys kids).

karen told some fans on facebook that joe jackson is the good guy and an angel compared with katherine. karen said to fans that KJ refuses to sign a will and everyone things thats strange (despite the fact her sharel when she passes go to Michaels children), karen said that katherine doesnt listen to what anyone says and kinda portrayed katherine as an evil witch with total control. she said that right after mj died and they found out she was a beneficary, she changed 180 and got all bossy, kinda liking her new power. she said so much things about KJ, like she is old and dont have the energy to fight with AEG etc etc

there is soooo much to this story and i have absolutely NOTHING to gain to make this up- this is what karen wrote back then.. only if Jermaine knew
 
This is really terribly disturbing. ...

To read how Faye keeps ganging on Michael being in 'denial' and finding "escape" in 'drugs' (again, this association instantly points to being hooked on recreation drugs when they say it like that)... This is so infuriating, so unfair. How dare these people come out now and spew damaging crap like that? He had a very difficult life, yet he was really strong, but they wanna paint him as a helpless drug addict?// I don't freakin' care what all these people think, they should keep whatever their perception of Michael is to themselves!... If the AEG pressures are true - which they are - the problem lies with AEG! And the fact that they didn't care enough or rather at all to move back the concerts, to leave them as they originally were at least, or do some more postponements, if not cancellations, but all they cared about was their money. So you try to do something more concrete about that, you expose them or something, don’t know.. But not what she does now, for instance.

I don't wanna hear so-called friends and people (regardless if they love him or not, or Precisely because they claim to love him) Confiding to the press and the fan on social networking sites that Michael was this and that, and had monetary troubles, to be mild, you don't do that. You're burying that dead person downer than they are already. You don't take photos of his cript, you don't give gruesome details to the press, you don't say Michael took comfort in drugs. The freak he did that! He wasn't addicted to medication when he passed, it was Murray who eventually pumped him to death and killed him by administering diprivan and not monitoring him and covering for his tracks. That's what went down for real. Instead of pretending/ or even being in cloud nine when typing things like "Michael is amazing", or "I can't wait to go to London", you do whatever it takes that others don't end up killing him. For yeah: it was People that did, and had done over an over for decades, and it then happened for good. it wasn't his "drug escapism" crap that did that. I would like to know what all of these judging ignorants would do if they were Michael, and 'cornered', as some say he was, and am sure he was. But am curious to envision what they would hypothetically do when pressured from All sides, like he was, esp the last months of his life. Like really... When he didn't know where to turn to, because at every chance and minute everyone would want something from him, a piece of him, a glimpse of him - a real oppressive obssession to be going through that, yet he was still a man more than most could hope to be, with his loving, meek, but firm at times, behavior regarding others. Why are those same ones outraged that he cut ties with them? how in the world could one single person deal with them all, with all the crap, with all of the bogus lawsuits, with all that greed? And they're mentioning him seeking comfort in drugs. He had children, he was a hands-on father, and, doggone, I would've resorted to some prescribed painkillers myself if I had been in his shoes. No, I would've died, actually, my heart would've bursted, and it still has very often.. . Only.. only that there were No painkillers in his system, No painkillers in his some, just sleep medication and some anti-depressants mostly. His blood tests came out just fine in February that year, according to his nurse. His many many many serious problems that accentuated with that fateful, stupid tour accentuated his insomnia. He was a man, nevertheless, that doesn't make him a helpless mindless kid, he was trying to sleep, that is a vital action for survival, having tried anything before, and he really did what he could in such extreme, very extreme instances. He wanted to sleep Precisely so he could be up the next morning for his children, and for the rehearsals. ..

'Oh, I could have saved him'.... ... Simply loathe formulations of this kind..... I'd really really like to see what would anyone would have doe had they been in Jackson's shoes. What would a real friend do, like really, and not to mention when they're gone, would they bury him more under with almost every word they say?... His escapism was in his children and music and loving, not in the freakin' 'drugs' as they call them, or he would've died decades before, but he was human enough to feel the real pains he had and act on them like every other human being would do. He wasn't a robot, he was a fighter all of his life, not even eulogizing him, am really serious when I say that that he was a real man. A hands-on father, a consummate entertainer who was involved in virtually every single aspect of his work, i.e. for This Is It... wow.. So, he was even working. Working a lot. Working very hard, like he'd say, 'for you', for the fans, for... don't even know what to add further.. This is really vexing. He worked, not got fixed and pretended he lived in another world, he'd call people at night, 3 weeks before he passed, he called someone regarding the release of 2 journalists in China, he worried about the welfare of others, he wished them Happy Father's Day only a few days before, he ordered and expected commissioned paintings and books, paintings of him and his 3 children, he was so very active and focused, he worked on a new studio album, on a classic album, had film plans..... and the list goes on and on. And some people... that are supposed to know him better than those too aloof to make a difference, in the end, actually dare saying he was going down, he was in denial, he was living in his own world drugged up, when he accepted doing some shows (certainly not the 50 ones, I don't care what anyone says anymore, plenty of evidence for that anyway) for his Own children, who never saw him perform live, for them. And, if he was on it, for wanting to spread the message of love, being aware of his influence, being aware of him being wanted back on the stage, so why not come out with something not just entertaining, but educational?... His problems were Other people, companies, managers and former managers, the bogus lawsuits, the problems lied surrounding him, not gonna speculate further of his inner world, that is his and nobody has got the right to judge it given all the unfriendly circumstances.

Finally, nobody that were supposed to be his friends, have the right and should not be sharing their warped perceptions of him which they take as facts, and destroy his name, eventually, by that, which is what they do. They do. ... They should know better and stop placing themselves in this holier than thou category, for I don't care how much they cared/care for him, their attitude is plain wrong and damaging to Jackson. He's not even here, nobody can listen to his side of it all anyway, so they should shut... up. Faye blamed Jackson in the worst of his days for not being involved with MJJSource, although that was not up to him to do that, but to his brother and staff, and certainly not during one's worst days of fighting for their freedom, for their life, for their exoneration.... Yet Michael, the ever forgiver, contacted her again. And this is what she keeps on doing..? .............

This has ruined a whole day... *breathes, tries to calm down...*
 
poor jermaine completely unaware that karen has said some very bad things about him to fans on her then-secret facebook page and also on her official facebook page. what im gonna post now is some things of what karen said from a period of july 2009 -february 2010.

karen told fans that Jermaine and Grace used to sleep together and this disturbed Mike a lot and he thought it was gross

karen has said that michael was very very angry with jermaine before he dided. karen apparantly never said why mj was angry with but she said jermaine had upset michael very much and he didnt wanted to see him. according to Karen, Michael told her this when she was making him ready for rehearsals.

karen told fans that Michaels kids were running around wild at hayvenhurst and swearing/cussing. when ppl asked her more about this she blamed the situation at hayvehurst on JERMAINES CHILDREN (and NOT Randys kids).

karen told some fans on facebook that joe jackson is the good guy and an angel compared with katherine. karen said to fans that KJ refuses to sign a will and everyone things thats strange (despite the fact her sharel when she passes go to Michaels children), karen said that katherine doesnt listen to what anyone says and kinda portrayed katherine as an evil witch with total control. she said that right after mj died and they found out she was a beneficary, she changed 180 and got all bossy, kinda liking her new power. she said so much things about KJ, like she is old and dont have the energy to fight with AEG etc etc

there is soooo much to this story and i have absolutely NOTHING to gain to make this up- this is what karen wrote back then.. only if Jermaine knew


Blood pressure gets higher....

Just wow... Goodness, how did she come with the story about Michael's children being all rowdy and stuff... was she there? What would Michael be saying if he witnessed her spewing her crap on Twitter and other social sites?... About his children, the One thing which bothered him the most, which was people talking about his children with the media/via the media... And about all the rest you post above.........

......... no words...
 
All that tweeting isn't getting anywhere. If Karen Faye and/or the Jacksons KNOW something further than what's being said about Michael's situation before he died, that would impact the Murray trial, then they need to go straight to the police, and if they don't take them seriously, then take out an ad in Billboard, or do anything else they can. They should all DO something! Other than tweeting about it.

I seriously doubt that a "true friend" would steal money from fans, or trash Michael online. (some folks are still waiting for their fifty dollars back).


Totally...

They should talk less, act more. Or don't talk at all. Michael's worth it, they're so many terrible people and companies that destroyed his life, if they know it, say it, or work quietly on it and don't say anything at all. And be more firm as far as Murray's guilt, which took Jackson's to an early grave.... Not saying they should be hateful, no, but active, more active instead of standing in their comfort zones often. ...
 
ONly those who did not watch TII can believe her:

1- they have not seen The Smooth criminal 3D movie !
2- Thriller was a killler production
3- The new concept of Dirty Diana
4- The way he was flirting and acting like pimp in TWYMMF
5-HoW he was conceptualizing Earth Song
6- His speech about the nature and planet
7-how he was encouraging new gutarist Orinethe ...we will shine with you
8- his performance in I JCSLY
9- the way he finished Beat it ,,,even the young dancers were not able to move like him

and many many more things


the Michael i saw in TII is a genious ,visionary, maybe with some troubles like what Kenny said but did not see an escaped drug addict or a controlled sick man .



by the way,,,,,it is clear that MJ never allowed KF to see or interact with his children,,,she never said that she met them or saw them....although she is ready to say any and everything about him and his kids.
many producers said they spent alot of time with him and his kids and most of them brought their kids to paly with MJ's kids (Dark Child, Teddy Riely. Lenny Kravitz)

@ Thril,,,,you are right i read all these things on her pages !
 
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There seems to be very little blame for the guy who is getting ready to go on trial for killing Michael by some in his family and some of his (friends). Damn shame
 
I actually agree with jermaine. She can be bashed for all of the other bs, but not for that statement. I think tmz got the reaction they wanted out of you guys. She didn't literally mean that he would be working there, it was a kinda tounge in cheek response. MJ just meant that if he didn't do this tour, he would be in such a bad financial situation, he would have to work there(but not literally)

This isn't about McDonald's mention. Everyone understands that's an exaggeration, an sarcasm, a figurative speech and that's fine.

Look to her facebook posts she has been saying that Michael was an addict and self destructing. She says she knew his addiction for a long time and "couldn't" do anything but she has no problem in pointing fingers to other people for "couldn't doing" anything.
 
This isn't about McDonald's mention. Everyone understands that's an exaggeration, an sarcasm, a figurative speech and that's fine.

Look to her facebook posts she has been saying that Michael was an addict and self destructing. She says she knew his addiction for a long time and "couldn't" do anything but she has no problem in pointing fingers to other people for "couldn't doing" anything.


yeah she's a trip.. saying she couldn't do anything to help but she expects Kenny Ortega and Randy Phillips to? she had known MJ for 25 years why couldn't she help her so called 'friend'?? Karen did nothing.. She should feel guilty as well for letting her friend down.
 
all I can say again is everything that they are saying contradicts the autopsy report....did a page fall on the floor and was not reported???..(sarcasm)....I highly doubt it. Why NOW...why start tweeting about this stuff now?? This is what baffles me. Why is Jermaine sticking up for Karen?? Enough is enough already....if she is so concerned with the way her statement was twisted...then she has the platform right now,,,all eyes are on her...let her come out and tell HER TRUTH.. I for one really cannot take these drug addict stories anymore....tell it Karen....if you and Jermaine have something to say...JUST SAY IT!!
 
I wonder if the fans, collectively, could get a restraining order to have all her internet-access devices taken away until after the trial? How about a gag -order for her, Jermaine, and Randy? This is really over-the-top.
 
yeah she's a trip.. saying she couldn't do anything to help but she expects Kenny Ortega and Randy Phillips to? she had known MJ for 25 years why couldn't she help her so called 'friend'?? Karen did nothing.. She should feel guilty as well for letting her friend down.


What could she do?

I think that she hoped Kenny Ortega and Randy Phillips would put Michael's health before the TII concerts. If I recall correctly, she's stated that Kenny and Randy put Michael under a lot of pressure to start the concerts on schedule.


Are there any other people here who like Karen and are happy that she is sharing her experiences? Maybe we should start a thread just for us LOL!

I don't want to defend Karen for every mistake she has made or is accused of making. Yes, she has flaws and has made mistakes, just like everyone else, even Michael. But, I think that she's generally a good person who is just trying to let fans who are interested know what she saw during her time working with Michael. That's all. Since I didn't know him myself, I'm thankful that she's willing to share her experiences.
 
What could she do?

MORE. Just. . more. Michael died.

I think that she hoped Kenny Ortega and Randy Phillips would put Michael's health before the TII concerts. If I recall correctly, she's stated that Kenny and Randy put Michael under a lot of pressure to start the concerts on schedule.

Well then, "hoping" didn't save him, now did it? The Follower Fans talked to her with serious concerns about Michael, and not only did she blow them off, but told them to be quiet and to do NOTHING. And then, he died.

Are there any other people here who like Karen and are happy that she is sharing her experiences? Maybe we should start a thread just for us LOL!

Sounds like a plan. Or, another board entirely? But, there aren't many people here who "like" her, because we know the history of betrayals to Michael, and to the fans.

I don't want to defend Karen for every mistake she has made or is accused of making. Yes, she has flaws and has made mistakes, just like everyone else, even Michael. But, I think that she's generally a good person who is just trying to let fans who are interested know what she saw during her time working with Michael. That's all. Since I didn't know him myself, I'm thankful that she's willing to share her experiences.

This is a Michael Jackson board. K.F. is throwing Michael UNDER THE BUS with her "drug addict" narrative. I truly wish there was a way to make her shut up, at least until after the trial!
 
Jermaine on twitter:

Jermaine, jermaine, jermaine, smdh. He has no idea huh? No way I believe he would take up for Karen if he really knew how she acted after Michael's death. With her sharing info to fans on her facebook account, being downright messy, or her twitter rants,

Oh and I bet he has no idea about what that woman said about his MOTHER a few months ago when she learned she was going to be on Oprah. Im sure he wouldnt be too happy to hear that she accused his mother of not loving Michael and basically using him right?

I am so done with the clueless Jackson family.

I wish Jermaine would be flooded with tweets informing him of just how wonderful that "true friend" Karen Fake was.

poor jermaine completely unaware that karen has said some very bad things about him to fans on her then-secret facebook page and also on her official facebook page. what im gonna post now is some things of what karen said from a period of july 2009 -february 2010.

karen told fans that Jermaine and Grace used to sleep together and this disturbed Mike a lot and he thought it was gross

karen has said that michael was very very angry with jermaine before he dided. karen apparantly never said why mj was angry with but she said jermaine had upset michael very much and he didnt wanted to see him. according to Karen, Michael told her this when she was making him ready for rehearsals.

karen told fans that Michaels kids were running around wild at hayvenhurst and swearing/cussing. when ppl asked her more about this she blamed the situation at hayvehurst on JERMAINES CHILDREN (and NOT Randys kids).

karen told some fans on facebook that joe jackson is the good guy and an angel compared with katherine. karen said to fans that KJ refuses to sign a will and everyone things thats strange (despite the fact her sharel when she passes go to Michaels children), karen said that katherine doesnt listen to what anyone says and kinda portrayed katherine as an evil witch with total control. she said that right after mj died and they found out she was a beneficary, she changed 180 and got all bossy, kinda liking her new power. she said so much things about KJ, like she is old and dont have the energy to fight with AEG etc etc

there is soooo much to this story and i have absolutely NOTHING to gain to make this up- this is what karen wrote back then.. only if Jermaine knew

smdh He's looking so dumb right now. (but what else is new?) :rolleyes:
 
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