Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray)Posts 4/13/94/111

[Naturelle]

Never mind my comments though it doesn't matter now....it scares me of what's to come once the trail begins.
And for Murray to call this young women, Sade Anding, (but in TRANSLATION it's, "Sad Ending " "out of the blue " is way out there...it really makes me sick and errie.

 

[riviera1992]

Never mind my comments though it doesn't matter now....it scare me of what's to come once the trail begins.
And for Murray to call this young women, Sardey Anding, (but her name means "Sad Ending in french!)" "out of the blue "is way out there...it really makes me sick.

Just a little correction. It's read likes sad ending not means. ;-) but spooky just the same.

 

[Naturelle]

Just a little correction. It's read likes sad ending not means. ;-) but spooky just the same.

:agree:

 

[Naturelle]

Just a little correction. It's read likes sad ending not means. ;-) but spooky just the same.

riviera1992 , your are right, it does in transalation it is spooky. But, However, If some one were reading it out loud to someone else, them would the translation change? It would reverse to "mean" in the spoken word.

 

[Naturelle]

what's up with this much venom against sade anding? Why should her personal life concern any of us?.

What should be our concern she is a h**, as you very 'elegantly' it put it? She definitely was way classier than some in this thread, that's for sure. What should be anyone's concern she's 24 and that other person is 57?. She sure looks way older than that. And it's really annoying to be coming across so many stereotypes that at times are really not needed, when age very much proves to be a number only. Because you can have people that either look/act (much) younger than their age or (much) older.

Bottom line here is that this woman said more than unflaterring things about who murray really is, which is very helpful for michael's prosecution. She spoke the truth, maybe half-truths, but the truth nonetheless. She even shed what looked like real tears about michael in this interview. She did seem to very much lie when she said she hadn't known murray was married, but i can spot fake tears. And hers didn't come out that way, to me, at least. She sounded really sad when speaking about michael's unnecessary, avoidable death, and i'll giver her that ..

Here's the transcript of this interview (from which i left out some few irrelevant words/sentences):

“[...] first thing he said (to me) was, ‘you’re too beautiful to be waiting on people at a place like this. […] [he gave me gifts like] the cellphone, the spa (a) dress and cash. […] close to 2,000 dollars in gifts and money. […] he was glad that he was the one that was picked to take on such a big role, and he said that if i wanted to, that he was gonna fly me up there to meet michael and meets the kids. […] [he didn’t mention anything medical to me about michael, be it sleep, propofol, medication/drugs, medical attention in michael’s home, nothing of the sort]. [that fateful june 25 morning, murray] sounded like something was wrong, he didn’t sound like himself to me at all. He sounded like something was wrong. And then, i’m like, ‘hey, what are you doing, what’s up? I haven’t talked to you in a while’, and he was like, ‘well…’, and then he seemed like he wanted to say something and i wish i would’ve just shut up and let him finish, because he just said, ‘well..’ and that it took forever, and that’s when i realized he wasn’t even on the phone. I’m like, ‘hello? Hello?”, and it sounded like maybe it was in his pocket or something, ‘cause it was more like (reproduces the sounds), and i heard, like, coughing, and, like, mumbling of voices. He never got back on the phone, and then i hung up and i kept calling and calling and i kept texting him, and then […] i felt like something was wrong. […] i knew that they [the lapd] were going to reach out for me after that phonecall, like, i knew as soon as i heard what happened, it clicked to me, like, ‘oh, god.. I’m in it.’ […] [when i called him back days after], i would always ask him stuff on the phone, but it was always, ‘oh, the phones may be tapped, i don’t wanna talk about anything. […] oh, yeah!.. Oh, yeah, like, (he was) nervous, like, any question i asked him, (he said) ‘please, let’s stop talking about it. Our phones could be tapped. […]”

“i just felt like…’why did you call me? Like, the call was pointless, i’d rather you’d not called me. .. Or at least called me when you were – when you were able to talk. […] [events on that fateful day have weighed heavily on me for nearly two years] [breaks down crying] it made me sad… i felt like it was my fault, and i really felt like if he wouldn’t (sic) have called me, maybe all that stuff that happened wouldn’t have happened… […] he told me he only had two kids […], and he had 7. […]”

(source for the transcript: http://www.thesilencedtruth.com/)

yes, i hear what your are trying to say but unfortionatly , we do not have all of the answers. Whether you call it, "lady of the evening,( hoe) as i wanted to put it to those words, prostitute or whore,"
murry had his mindset on young girls period, to do his dirty work. He is just that low down dirty to find someone very young rather than someone older. And he chose her. worked as a waitress? why not go to a college/university campus to find somone? He shot himself in the foot and it backfired! Why did she accept the money? he kept drawing her in with more money...and the rest is history.

 

[jrsfan]

Interview:

 

[StacyJ]

I'm glad she figured out she was used.. Like she said the phone call to her was pointless. It was just Murray trying to build an alibi like he was talking to her when he just happened to discover his dying patient. The question is why would you even be talking to her when your attention should've been on your patient who was under anesthesia? These phone calls weren't even necessary. He was just shooting the breeze. He could've called them before or after MJ was 'sleeping'

 

[Ashtanga]

Interview:

:fear:


Started the festival of interviews? :doh:


TMZ.... :sigh:

 

[bluetopez]

TMZ is sure invested in this trial!

I hope that girl repeat all this again at trial and more! Murray was one big ass show off! Thought he had it all good and under control! What an arrogant bastard!

 

[ScrEAm.Jack5on]

WTF why is she allowed to give interivews when she is a witness to a crime that isn't solved?!

Sade Anding/sad ending

Is this a cruel joke?

I think it's pronounced Shar-dey but for french speaking folks if you just read the words you read "sad ending" :sad:

Yes, sad ending. To be judged by Michael Pastor on Temple Street. Can't make up this stuff. Just can't.

I can see this being used in a hoax theory. It don't seem real.. MJ's life was like a movie.. without a happy ending

 

[noirnoar]

WTF why is she allowed to give interivews when she is a witness to a crime that isn't solved?!

Because judge didn't issue a gag order.

I can see this being used in a hoax theory. It don't seem real.. MJ's life was like a movie.. without a happy ending

what is more ironic is her name Sade Anding reads like Sad Ending to foreigners (in previous post someone noted)

Edit: Sade means Ray of Light...

 

[Ashtanga]

MJ's life was like a movie.. without a happy ending

what is more ironic is her name Sade Anding reads like Sad Ending to foreigners (in previous post someone noted)

Edit: Sade means Ray of Light...

:thinking: Really?

 

[noirnoar]

Drinking propofol? In contact with air, it has foul odor, and in taste is vile, very very bad (like rotten eggs, contains egg yolk phospholipid and it is white oil in water emulsion). Considering that, MJJ would have spitted it out due to the unbearable taste, and propofol would have been all over his mouth, bed sheets, floor, clothes, etc.

Propofol it has disgusting smell odor, and it tastes unbearable; human body is designed that if toxins or harmful material are ingested through mouth (or in the stomach), that material sends warning signals to the brain. The defense mechanism/reflex is to immediately eject that toxic material from the body: through the act of vomiting. Michael's body would have done just that.

Also, autopsy would reveal traces of propofol in: lips, teeth, tongue, saliva, throat, uvula at least, but it didn't. Not because medical examiner coroner didn't look, but because there was no trace of propofol inside/outside the mouth, and throat.

Autopsy revealed that 0.13 mg was detected in the gastric fluid, much less than what it was in the blood. Pretty much shows that enormous amount of propofol was given by injection and not orally.

Even though propofol is widely used for sedation in the intensive care unit, concentration of propofol is found in gastric organs on regular patients, and to add, propofol prevent gastric emptying.

We will learn more on trial, but so far, Michael Jackson taking propofol orally is not supported by autopsy, since the traces are not found in oral organs.

But in my opinion, the theory of drinking propofol is laughable, there is no tangible evidence to support it.

 

[Milka]

Wow, I have to say there are interesting people posting in this thread ... wonder how they find the time when they should actually be busy interviewing witnesses and TAKING NOTES for a change.

 

[Autumn II]

And HERE, we have what will probably be the defense strategy. Fascinating.

Murray had qualifications to practice in three statesd, 21 years as a doctor with no complaints, no malpractice.

That is factually incorrect. In 2007 there was a complaint by the son of a man who died from heart surgery preformed by Murray. It wasn't pursued, I believe because of the son's lack of money for attorneys. This is well-documented. Plus, Murray's lack of truthfulness is well-known, especially in the area of baby-mamas/women.

Its preposterous for one night he could be so careless. say what you like but he wasn't reckless and two minutes away would not be of danger. keep in mind it wasnt the first time Muray adminstered the sedative. Doctors have the knowledge to determine how much sedatives are enough and how long they last for the patient.Nurses and doctors at hosiptals don't bring their one and only personal patient under for six weeks every night; in fact, they constantly administer to new patients. Now each patient is different and theres no time to familiarize with how each patient processes sedatives on a regular basis; hence, the fact an assistant must be there to watch the patient every second.Murray had the same patient every night, six weeks straight Murray soon familiarized himself with Michael Jackson's physical/systematic patterns as he undergoes this sedative. I dont think its fair to compare his situation to a hospital patient. Let's view it this way: six weeks with 1 patient; he'd be able to fully understand how the drugs interact with his patient's system. he leaves for just two minutes [he's now familiar with how Michael Jackson's system interacts with propofol and other sedatives].

And here, it's being said that Murray knew his ONE patient so well, that he wasn't likely to have made a "mistake." Leading into the narrative of the rest of the post, where it's Michael's fault, that he died from a doctor using propofol at his home! (And, of course leaving out the large gaps in time and the multiple phone calls that Murray made, and the fact that Michael was long-gone before 911 was eventually called.)

he steps back in the room and drops the phone. its not a secret Michael Jackson was stressed is that correct? in fact, at one point Jackson's chef describes him as thin. It is a fact, stress has the ability to bring forth change in weight and sometimes significant change. hench, the bones of his ribs one paramedic describes witnessing.

This is the strategy that Michael was "weak and sickly, leading to. . . .

50 concerts was too much for him. he even mentions before he goes through hell touring? In conclusion, I believe it's fair to say that Michael Jackson was so stressed;

. . the idea that Michael NEVER was going to be able to do the concerts? (And presenting the "narrative" that Michael was so weak and sick and stressed, and desperate that he DRANK propofol Outrageous!) That's what's being said as the lead in to the punch line, which is. . . .

he was going through so much hell that he poured the propofol inhis juice bottles to drink himself to TO SLEEP. Now murray, with no way of knowing this.

You are ACTUALLY saying that you think "Michael DRANK the propofol?" That's outrageous! And, that Michael was "sneaky" and Murray is blameless? (That's really not going to go over so well on a Michael Jackson board, although it's a fascinating window into the mind of the defense.)

Its bit of presumption I must say to accuse him of leaving bottles in easy area of reach for this known addict; and theres a likely possibility Jackson could've been carrying his own secret stash of propofol. Its not uncommon for addicts to carry secret stashes of their drugs, correct?

Michael is being accused here of being a "known addict!!!!!" With "secret stashes" of drugs! Even though no "secret stashes of drugs" were found. . .

Incredible. And there you have. . the narrative of the DEFENSE! Let me summarize? The poster is saying that.

1. Murray was a GREAT doctor.
2. Because Michael was his only patient and had been with him for "six weeks," Murray knew Michael well, including his reaction to medications and therefore was not likely to have made a "mistake."
3. Michael was "so weak and thin" that it wasn't likely he could do the concerts.
4. That he was a "known addict,"
5. Murray committed no error by leaving propofol around, and it wasn't "his fault" that Michael "drank it!'

NO. Michael had no narcotics in his system (not a "known addict). MICHAEL DID NOT DRINK THE PROPOFOL! But, if that is all the defense has, there are facts that will negate it. The autopsy report didn't say that Michael was "too thin." It showed no drugs in his system other than what Murray gave him. I don't think it's even humanly possible to "drink propofol!" And besides, the quantity found in Michael's stomach was small, and could have been caused by the CPR. There were no traces of propofol found in his mouth or on his teeth.

Michael did NOT drink the propofol! Murray has already demonstrated his lack of character, and honesty, by having multiple affairs, multiple children with different women, and not caring for those children in terms of support. He did, indeed, have a serious "complaint." Giving a patient propofol, at HOME, without rescue equipment and additional staff, is outrageous, and almost guaranteed to have a fatality. Michael was NOT a "known addict, and the autopsy report shows no narcotics in his system. The so-called "interventions" by his family never actually happened. . . .

If Michael was having insomnia, the ephedra Murray was giving him might just about do it? It was MURRAY who killed Michael, and Michael did NOT "drink the propfol."

 

[cinzia]

Autumn, God bless you for that post.

To which I would add:

This doctor of 21 years and a cardiologist, upon finding his one and only patient in extremis, then began to perform CPR on a bed because this big man was unable to pull his frail patient off the bed on to the floor where compressions would have been effective.

Let's view it this way: six weeks with 1 patient; he'd be able to fully understand how the drugs interact with his patient's system.

Let's view it this way: he was so understanding of how the drugs interacted that he tried a variety of cocktails in the last nights to try and get 'his patient' to sleep. After 6 weeks you would think he was so understanding, etc., that he would have it down pat, what to give and how much so that Michael would sleep. But it doesn't seem he was all that understanding.

keep in mind it wasnt the first time Muray adminstered the sedative. Doctors have the knowledge to determine how much sedatives are enough and how long they last for the patient.

All. doctors. are. not. equal. Anesthesiologists and anesthetists have the knowledge and training and experience to use anesthetic agents. Cardiologists do not.

Originally Posted by MooringTide
he was going through so much hell that he poured the propofol inhis juice bottles to drink himself to TO SLEEP. Now murray, with no way of knowing this.

And just how much was found in his stomach upon autopsy? Let's see: "Propofol was found at autopsy in Michael Jackson’s stomach contents in a very small concentration — less than 1:30 of the concentration in the blood. This is most likely because, after death, the drug diffused out of the circulatory system and into the stomach." http://www.thepoisonreview.com/2010/02/13/michael-jackson-toxicology-report-released/

Its bit of presumption I must say to accuse him of leaving bottles in easy area of reach for this known addict; and theres a likely possibility Jackson could've been carrying his own secret stash of propofol. Its not uncommon for addicts to carry secret stashes of their drugs, correct?

Actually, this is where I fell off my chair with hilarious laughter and I realized this entire post was a joke, an attempt at sarcasm, a satire if you will.

Nobody could take that post from MT seriously. It is completely laughable. It is entirely constructed upon error and suppositions.

And if this is an attempt by the defense to float a scenario and get the reaction of fans, then they must be desperate.

 

[Milka]

This doctor of 21 years and a cardiologist, upon finding his one and only patient in extremis, then began to perform CPR on a bed

With one hand! And then had to ask around if someone knows how to do CPR. After 21 years!

He left for 2 minutes? Wasn't he on the phone basically all morning that day? Didn't he also email the insurance company about Michael not having health problems that morning?

 

[Alma]

In conclusion, I believe it's fair to say that Michael Jackson was going through so much hell that he poured the propofol inhis juice bottles to drink himself to TO SLEEP.

In conclusion, based on your heavily ignorant post, I believe it's fair to say that you are an audacious instigator that supports Murray and his defense. The freak you know about Jackson and his strength of character? Obviously nothing, you're statings things out of your... stomach. And your supporting a criminal (who actually Covered for his tracks while Jackson was dying and didn't call 911 until after 30 minds had passed, didn't allegedly know how to perform PCR, he left him die like a dog), esp. on the eve of Murray's trial would make me wonder why are you wasting precious time on here when you could serve his defense. Supporting an obvious criminal (whether a dumb, incompetent one, doesn't matter), while making a mockery out of a deceased person not here to defend himself just defines your very flawed character.

Now murray, with no way of knowing this. Its bit of presumption I must say to accuse him of leaving bottles in easy area of reach for this known addict

Known addict? Insolent ignorant. Get informed before stating enormities as facts, whether you've been living under a rock the whole time or were too busy defending negligent doctors/murderers.

and theres a likely possibility Jackson could've been carrying his own secret stash of propofol.

He couldn't carry it on his own, only doctors and nurses will be able to provide a patient/addict with that. And Jackson was not an addict, again, ignorant agitator. What a tabloid lover you seem to be, you're fond of unearthing deep, dark 'secrets'.

Its not uncommon for addicts to carry secret stashes of their drugs, correct?

No, just like it's not uncommon for instigators/Jackson haters to register on forums as fans, spewing crap. I believe you've got a history on here doing that. What a waste of time, 'ta freak outta here.


-- Sorry to those who had to read all that, but some can't really handle that much gross audacity of some ignorants popping out of nowhere and effortlessly accusing Jackson of committing suicide. Could care less what these people think deep down, but they're ignorant, first of, and intentionally claim lots of bogus on a forums devoted to those they accuse without researching, or just to annoy people. What a bliss the thoughtless must live in, I envy 'em. --

 

[elusive moonwalker]

i guess mooring tide is beach lover. the poster seems to have a thing for names releated to the sea. uses similar names on kop board aswell.wont be around for long

 

[Autumn II]

i guess mooring tide is beach lover. the poster seems to have a thing for names releated to the sea. uses similar names on kop board aswell.wont be around for long

ha ha ha HAAAA @ "names related to the sea." :clapping:

As outrageous as it was, that post was actually USEFUL. If that's the line of defense that's going to be used -- it's indefensible. A jury of grade-school children could probably see through it. Wow.

Sample questions:

To "expert," from the defense:

"Were Michael Jackson's fingerprints found on the juice-box?

Answer: His prints were ALL over it.

Cross-exam, by prosecution: "Would it be reasonable for Michael Jackson's fingerprints to be 'all over' his own juice-box?"

Answer: "Of COURSE. It was HIS juice-box."

And so on. . .

 

[elusive moonwalker]

and seaside stranger on kop board LOL

 

[Autumn II]

I wouldn't worry about it a whole lot, though. If that's all the defense has, it ain't much. :tease:

 

[xthunderx2]

wow..so the defense tries to throw their little troll in here to try and discredit Michael and rally for Murray huh...unbelievable the lengths they will go to...to bad for Murray he has such an incompetent defense team...careful boys...you are showing your hand..and as they say in poker...YOU GOT NOTHIN!!

 

[Autumn II]

Ah, the gentle HISS of the surf is so soothing. . . Or not?

 

[StacyJ]

Moorting Tide,

you should go to the Dr Murray fan board

 

[Justthefacts]

Many thanks to all of you for your contribution to this important discussion regarding Michael Jackson's death. Now Dr. Murray saved a distressed woman on a plane and took immediate action, immediately dialed 911 to save a man undergoing heart failure. Both situations reflect his responsibility of his duties as a doctor does it not? And anyone here can say that with an excellent record before Michael Jackson's physician and no misconduct while employed by Jackson and continuing his excellcent duties as a doctor after he's employed by Jackson, on one night he would be extremely careless? Moving forward to MJ; we know he's a past drug addict and was self aware he never fully recovered; its why he produced a hand written note prohibiting his physician from giving him stronger medication with high addiction outcome; he knew it'd be easy for him to fall down the same hole again,knew it was a possibility.he feared and knew he wasn't 100% over his past addiction thus, the letter I'm sure many here are familiar with.
Indeed oral consumption of the drug had been tested as effective; it can likely be more effective with a suitable inhibitor.From my memory the several juice bottles in Jackson's room weren't tested so just like its not fair to say there was medication in any of them its also not fair to say that there wasn't.

http://www.bentham.org/dml/samples/dml1-1/Yamazaki.pdf

http://eng.hi138.com/?i127019

To prove your point why don't you go drink a few bottles of Propofol and tell us how it turns out

 

[ginvid]

Mooringtide, consider this a final warning. We have stated numerous times, that according to his autopsy report, MJ was not an addict. He did not have anything in his system other than what Murray gave him. According to what we know now, this is how it is. And in the case forum, we try and stick to what is known as much as possible until we are corrected by factual information. And we will not let you come in here and speculate about something you have no proof of simply to magnify Murray. Take that stuff somewhere else.

And can everyone report that kind of stuff and do NOT QUOTE THEM when making a reply. It makes it easier to delete so we don't have to still read from a cheer squad for Murray and his "excellent doctoring skills".

Thank you.

 

[Autumn II]

Mooringtide, consider this a final warning. We have stated numerous times, that according to his autopsy report, MJ was not an addict. He did not have anything in his system other than what Murray gave him. According to what we know now, this is how it is. And in the case forum, we try and stick to what is known as much as possible until we are corrected by factual information. And we will not let you come in here and speculate about something you have no proof of simply to magnify Murray. Take that stuff somewhere else.

And can everyone report that kind of stuff and do NOT QUOTE THEM when making a reply. It makes it easier to delete so we don't have to still read from a cheer squad for Murray and his "excellent doctoring skills".

Thank you.

Yup. Will do (or will not do, as per your request. ). Thanks.

 

[bouee]

And if this is an attempt by the defense to float a scenario and get the reaction of fans, then they must be desperate.

I agree with that, if they are testing their theories here.... then they ARE desperate !

Mooring Tide's theories are really really easy to contradict.... so easy that I found the whole post so ridiculous it's almost funny.

I would just advise him/her to go check these "theories" on non MJ websites , where people who are not fans discuss the case....
Just based on the facts that came out so far , the police reports, the autopsy report and the prelim, even if you believe that MJ was too stressed , too thin, addicted or whatever some of them believe (they don't necessarily know as much about MJ's life as we do), when you know the facts, no one can find any excuse for Murray. No one.

During the prelim, I remember reading somewhere that the people from the mainstream media where shocked by what they heard during the prelim.

If I remember correctly, Beachlover had some medical knowledge. I don't think Mooring Tide has any medical knowledge because some of the things he/she wrote are the opposite of what I heard doctors/nurses say about the case, wether they are MJ fans or not.

That's why I have been saying I don't understand Murray's defense at all.
I try to stay as objective as possible, but to me, everything they have tried so far (injection by someone else, or MJ himself, drug addict story, he drank the propofol etc...), it just makes it worse for Murray, IMO.

Now MJ was too weak ??? I don't believe this, but OK, let's say he was. How does that help Murray ?? It doesn't , it just makes it worse for him.

The sad thing is, the prosecution doesn't even have to show that the defense allegations are not true. They just need to use them against Murray.

 

[cinzia]

http://www.bentham.org/dml/samples/dml1-1/Yamazaki.pdf

http://eng.hi138.com/?i127019

These two sources of information are research from 2007. They talk about possibilities, suggestions for further research, the effects of oral admin. on mice. Nowhere do they state it would be effective on a human. So to say 'it has been tested as effective...' is grossly in misleading and which I consider must be intentional in an attempt to cause mischief. It won't work.

As for him dialing 911, gosh, when did he learn to do that trick? Was it after he failed to call it for Michael? Cause he sure as hell didn't know how to do it to save Michael. So it took him what, 21 years to learn that?

And as for saving someone on an airplane, well, what else was he supposed to do? Ignore the situation? He isn't the first and only one to do something like that. Doesn't make him a saint, doesn't make him less culpable.
It is so obvious a blind person can see how you feel about hewhoIwillnotname. But really now, your arguments are laughable and so easily refuted.
I also wonder, MooringTide, where have you been? I haven't seen any posts during this whole prelim until today. Why now? Or have I just missed them?