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Autumn II said:
Right. There was a cover-up for several days, and I doubt that we EVER got complete information. .
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At the time, the info we got is that the French customs officers were the best in the world. They stopped the cloud at the French borders. Something that the Swiss and Germans were not able to do.

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All of this is terrible, terrible. I am in a state of shock.
I have read that a crack 240 km long and 40 km wide has opened on the ocean bottom because of the earthquacke.
 
Autumn II said:
The Japan Times is Japan's leading newspaper.
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Detection of the materials, which are created in the atomic fission process, prompted the nuclear safety agency to admit the reactor has been melting, a first for Japan.
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so according to them, the reactor at least began to melt down, which sounds logical with the 10 hours the greenpeace guy was talking about, and sounds logical with wat this expert was saying, when he said that the situation at one point was VERY close to a massive disaster.
 
bouee said:
At the time, the info we got is that the French customs officers were the best in the world. They stopped the cloud at the French borders. Something that the Swiss and Germans were not able to do.

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I just heard for the second time on the news today (the first time I thought it was wrong information) that we in Austria got iodine tablets back then. Which I find interesting, because if that's true - I never saw an iodine tablet in my life and wouldn't know what it looks like. And in 1986 I was still in school, you'd think they would hand them out in schools? If there was enough danger for handing them out, why does there seem to be a myth 25 years later about everybody in Austria getting them? So no, to this day we don't know the whole truth about it.
 
Pray, pray , pray :angel:for beautiful Japan and our beloved planet...prayers are powerful, and so is L.O.V.E...Sening out a major L.O.V.E. to all those in need...
 
Here in my country it has now been confirmed that 3 people, the 3 victims I referred to in a previous post, have indeed been affected with radioactivity :no:

It was also mentioned that it was not a nuclear explosion, but a chemical one...
But how is that possible if they just confirm that 3 people have been tested radioactive?

Next to that, they say that the radioactive cloud will hit Kamtsjatka (a Russian island) within the next 24 hours.
 
Webbie said:
Next to that, they say that the radioactive cloud will hit Kamtsjatka (a Russian island) within the next 24 hours.
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I didn't hear that - but our news in the last couple of hours have been a lot of blahblah and repeating the same couple of things over and over again, more or less.

So this means there IS a radioactive cloud already (where did that come from? Just from the steam? I doubt that, but of course I could be wrong) and it apparently travels NORTH? All this talk about a possible nuclear cloud traveling south or east and now this ...

Edit: Just did a quick Google search, apparently our experts say it'll pass south of Kamchatka and won't actually hit it. What I find really weird is that nobody said that there IS a radioactive cloud. It's like they are sneaking this information in through the backdoor now.
 
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Milka said:
I didn't hear that - but our news in the last couple of hours have been a lot of blahblah and repeating the same couple of things over and over again, more or less.

So this means there IS a radioactive cloud already (where did that come from? Just from the steam? I doubt that, but of course I could be wrong) and it apparently travels NORTH? All this talk about a possible nuclear cloud traveling south or east and now this ...

Edit: Just did a quick Google search, apparently our experts say it'll pass south of Kamchatka and won't actually hit it. What I find really weird is that nobody said that there IS a radioactive cloud. It's like they are sneaking this information in through the backdoor now.
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I don't understand it either. First, there was no radioactivity, then the radioactivity would be harmless, now all of a sudden, we already have a radioactive cloud...

I can only hope that the news messages here aren't correct, but I'm using the most reliable newspaper and it has always been reliable so far :(

And if the news messages are correct, I hope your experts got it right and I hope it won't actually hit Kamchatka!
 
I just heard from my local news source that the confinement chamber is intact..they are saying this is good news.
 
Webbie said:
I don't understand it either. First, there was no radioactivity, then the radioactivity would be harmless, now all of a sudden, we already have a radioactive cloud...
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Yeah, it's funny how that came out of nowhere, right? It's almost like they have to sneak it in somehow now that another country might actually get affected by it or at least will notice radiation increase in Kamchatka. I think I take this as evidence that we were not told the truth about what's going on in Japan, as long as it's only in their country, they can control the information.

If there is a nuclear cloud already I would assume that the meltdown started hours ago and that the protective shell is in fact damaged. Which would also explain why "3 people" are contaminated. When no one ever said that there is actual danger for the people close to Fukushima. I guess that wasn't true either. Shocking.
 
Webbie said:
Here in my country it has now been confirmed that 3 people, the 3 victims I referred to in a previous post, have indeed been affected with radioactivity :no:

It was also mentioned that it was not a nuclear explosion, but a chemical one...
But how is that possible if they just confirm that 3 people have been tested radioactive?

Next to that, they say that the radioactive cloud will hit Kamtsjatka (a Russian island) within the next 24 hours.
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The three people who tested positive were randomly selected from the Sendai population. It is not ONLY three people, but possibly all of them in that region.

Whatever caused the explosion, it all but destroyed the containment building and released radioactivity. The cause of the explosion doesn't really matter, does it? Major meltdown hasn't happened (like Chernobyl). Or not yet.
 
Autumn II said:
The three people who tested positive were randomly selected from the Sendai population. It is not ONLY three people, but possibly all of them in that region.
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I expected that. Where did you get that info ?

Autumn II said:
Whatever caused the explosion, it all but destroyed the containment building and released radioactivity. The cause of the explosion doesn't really matter, does it? Major meltdown hasn't happened (like Chernobyl). Or not yet.
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My understanding, so far : everybody says that whatever leaked is radioactive. The question is the level of radioactivity. If a major meltdown happened , there would be a more massive explosion, and the level of radioactivity would be much higher.

They just said on the news that the cooling problem could last for months, and that they were not sure of how many reactors had the same problem in Fukushima(2, 3, or 4)
 
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bouee said:
I expected that. Where did you get that info ?
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About the 3 people that are contaminated, I saw that on several news sites and also heard it on the news, I think. They were randomly selected out of the people from the evacuated area around Fukushima. So that means there is not only a lot more radioactivity than they made it sound, but also that there must be a lot more than 3 people. It also shows that they didn't manage to evacuate people in time, I think.
 
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Autumn II said:
The three people who tested positive were randomly selected from the Sendai population. It is not ONLY three people, but possibly all of them in that region.

Whatever caused the explosion, it all but destroyed the containment building and released radioactivity. The cause of the explosion doesn't really matter, does it? Major meltdown hasn't happened (like Chernobyl). Or not yet.
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I'm sorry, I only translated what was written here. Don't be angry with me :) :flowers:
 
Milka said:
I read that differently ... they are saying they tested 3 people that were randomly selected from a group of 90 people? That would mean we don't know if the other 87 are contaminated or not.
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That's true, of the link I posted. But, googling "three test positive for radiation" produces different accounts of it. Some sites say, "Out of ninety people, only three tested positive," and others say, "three randomly selected people out of ninety tested positive." So, that makes a huge difference! I think the news will be garbled/incomplete for days, or even weeks, to come?
 
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Nightfall gently rolls
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Mirrors everywhere
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No emergency exits anywhere on board
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Gently tending now to him
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/report-fukushima-japan-reactor-now-in-meltdown-after-explosion/

Some Reports Saying Fukushima, Japan Reactor Shield Now In Meltdown

» 12 commentsby Frances Martel | 12:57 pm, March 12th, 2011
Contrary to preliminary reports, it appears that the Fukushima, Japan&#8217;s Dai-ichi plant, may be experiencing a reactor meltdown. The plant suffered a huge explosion hours ago after operators lost control of its chain reactions. This according to a report by Stratfor, which notes that while its core is still reported to be intact, this could cause much more significant long-term damage than expected.
The reports are partially based on the fact that smoke coming out of the explosion is now being described as &#8220;white smoke,&#8221; indicating, rather than a conventional fire, that the concrete surrounding the reactor is melting. The piece explains pretty thoroughly what the difference is between a reactor meltdown and a core meltdown (the reactor can start melting before the heat reaches the core at a sufficiently high temperature to feed the chain reactions):
A meltdown does not necessarily mean a nuclear disaster. As long as the reactor core, which is specifically designed to contain high levels of heat, pressure and radiation, remains intact, the melted fuel can be dealt with. If the core breaches but the containment facility built around the core remains intact, the melted fuel can still be dealt with &#8212; typically entombed within specialized concrete &#8212; but the cost and difficulty of such containment increases exponentially.
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It also asks a key question: whether the floor of the reactor chamber has been broken through in the explosion. If so, Japanese authorities will have to contend with radioactive materials seeping into the ground and turning the terrain into a Chernobyl-esque zone of alienation.
The reports aren&#8217;t uniform from all media wires, however. Meanwhile, The Voice of Russia is reporting that the explosion is unlikely to be harmful, and cited a senior Japanese official as saying no explosion occurred at all.
 
Just heard on the news - apparently 160 people contaminated.

Autumn, on our news they have been speculating for hours now that the meltdown might already be happening.
 
Autumn II said:
Where are you getting your news? Local, in your country?
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Local in this case.

Edit: I just heard on the news that there is a problem with the cooling system in another reactor too. Didn't really get if they were talking about Fukushima, but I think they did. If that's true, the same thing could happen all over again.
 
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Milka said:
Just heard on the news - apparently 160 people contaminated.

Autumn, on our news they have been speculating for hours now that the meltdown might already be happening.
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This is horrible... I can't believe what I have been seeing on the news.
 
A French nuclear agency has officially confirmed that there is a cooling problem with 2 other reactors in Fukushima.
 
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