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I dont like the fact the Thome's lawyer is trying to get his subpoena squashed...he has managed to stay out of the public eye since Michael passed away...I truly believe that it is time to make him speak....he must be made to take the stand. I hope the judge sees this.
 
xthunderx2;3310404 said:
I dont like the fact the Thome's lawyer is trying to get his subpoena squashed...he has managed to stay out of the public eye since Michael passed away...I truly believe that it is time to make him speak....he must be made to take the stand. I hope the judge sees this.
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I don't like that either. I would finally like to hear from Thome - he's avoided all interviews for a reason...



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This motion was brought up but the defense wanted to go into chambers to discuss Thome.

The judge seemed surprised and asked why it should go to chambers (behind closed doors) and under what pretences.

Thome’s lawyer came up and claimed Thome’s dealings with Michael Jackson were irrelevent in the court room and that Thome had not been personally and properly served with the subpoena and that on that basis alone Thome’s subpoena should be quashed. Furthermore, Thome’s lawyer claims that even if subpoenaed, Thome would be of no service since he had no records of anything to show the court room.

The defense jumped in and said they had proof of service in that matter. Judge said he needed to see the proof before being able to make a decision.

About 45 minutes later the defense came back with a proof of delivery which was signed by a processor at Thome’s residence on March 3rd, 2011.

Judge needs to have the processor come and testify at court on March 28th in order for him to make the final decision on the motion.
 
jrsfan;3310448 said:
I don't like that either. I would finally like to hear from Thome - he's avoided all interviews for a reason...



http://xltweet.com/show/?id=54595D5C52
This motion was brought up but the defense wanted to go into chambers to discuss Thome.

The judge seemed surprised and asked why it should go to chambers (behind closed doors) and under what pretences.

Thome’s lawyer came up and claimed Thome’s dealings with Michael Jackson were irrelevent in the court room and that Thome had not been personally and properly served with the subpoena and that on that basis alone Thome’s subpoena should be quashed. Furthermore, Thome’s lawyer claims that even if subpoenaed, Thome would be of no service since he had no records of anything to show the court room.

The defense jumped in and said they had proof of service in that matter. Judge said he needed to see the proof before being able to make a decision.

About 45 minutes later the defense came back with a proof of delivery which was signed by a processor at Thome’s residence on March 3rd, 2011.

Judge needs to have the processor come and testify at court on March 28th in order for him to make the final decision on the motion.
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they can say all they want that his dealings were irrelevant to this case..but we KNOW different...we know that he knows stuff...ALL things have to be made to come to light...Thome is remaining silent for a reason...of course he plays apart in this case...and it will never come to light if the judge doesnt make him testify. Thome has gotten away with this for long enough....he has to have some information that can help.
 
Remington Steele said:
Thx... who is the woman at the beginning (with the kid) - and is that Janet with the pony tail?
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Jackson's are huge family. That is not Janet with pony tail (the girl is much skinnier than Janet was in 2009 when she was filming "Why did I get married 2"). I think is one of their cousins.
 
Hope it's okay to post this here.
In the hearing today Thome Thome's attnys. tried to quash a subpoena he'd been seved but judge Pastor denied their motion to quash.

I'll try to post more info when I get home.

God bless!!!
 
thank you Sharon...so that means that Thome will have to testify?
 
Autumn II said:
Sure, it does. Unless he leaves the country. . . .:ph34r:
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yeah he just might..but it is about time he will speak...hopefully we will be told things we did not know...maybe some truths...he has been avoiding questions for almost 2 years now. Michael was afraid of him...and he knows why...I dont know what I expect him to say. But at this point anything is better than nothing...his silence has gone on long enough..imo
 
Sharon B. Sidney said:
Hope it's okay to post this here.
In the hearing today Thome Thome's attnys. tried to quash a subpoena he'd been seved but judge Pastor denied their motion to quash.

I'll try to post more info when I get home.

God bless!!!
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thank you as always. :)

can you post the details in the status hearing discussion thread ?
 
You're welcome Ivy and Alma,

Sorry this is so rushed. I've been sick and am in quite a bit of a hurry as I type.

Ivy I posted it here because this thread was about Thome. This should tie into this thread because whether or not Tohme had the right to fire anyone has now been in dispute even with his own attorneys and I see that him firing security is the heading here along with this thread being about Thome.

You all may have the updates but in case you don't here's an overview.

Tamar Ravid, a process server, testified under oath that she served papers to Thome Ramez on March 3rd. A man by the name of David Marghzar testified that Thome was with him that David from the hours of 8:30a.m. 'till 3:00p.m. The man claimed he had known Tohme for an estimated 10 years and that he considered it to be a business relationship stating he bought cars for Tohme. When asked to give a count he estimated ten receiving about a thousand dollars for each one. They did not cover what specific amount of time the cars were purchased, if they were stretched out or mainly purchased in one or a few years. He claimed he took him to an auction in which no one but dealers could enter and that Thome waited outside and he drove one car to a gate for him to look at during the time they were there. He claimed they attended this auction in Fontana.

Judge Pastor decided to allow the subpoena to stand after hearing witnesses and attorneys positions on the matter.

The defense are still in need of showing relevance for Thome testimony before he will have to appear in court.

An odd moment in the proceedings is when the two attorneys representing Thome countered each other when one stated that Tohme did not work for Michael Jackson on June 25th. When he did this his co counsel immediately stated that was untrue and made claims that he was working for Michael during that time. It's pretty odd when attorneys on the same side publicly argue with each other.

Defense attorneys stated that Tohme is a critical witness for the defense that he had intimate knowledge of finances and alleged drug use, was aware of spending habits and that he saw MJ repeatedly.

Thome's attorneys stated no one has interviewed Dr. Thome and that all the defense is doing is tossing out a fishing line.

Gourjian of the defense stated that it was irrelevant that the prosecution had not interviewed him because he's a defense witness. When judge Pastor asked how would Gourjian be aware of the claimed knowledge Tohme would have he stated due to other witnesses.

Judge Pastor said the reason he was not quashing the subpoena for Thome’s testimony is because the attorneys attempting to quash his testimony asserted he was business manager during time of death.

Apparently there is some issue on the availability of Tohme and judge Pastor indicated that "the body attachment is held."

The next hearing is April 6th concerning Arnold Kline at 9:00a.m. and then April 7th with a continuation of possible jurors at 8:30a.m.


Hope that helps.

God bless!!!
 
An odd moment in the proceedings is when the two attorneys representing Thome countered each other when one stated that Tohme did not work for Michael Jackson on June 25th. When he did this his co counsel immediately stated that was untrue and made claims that he was working for Michael during that time. It's pretty odd when attorneys on the same side publicly argue with each other.
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dumb and dumber eh!

Gourjian of the defense stated that it was irrelevant that the prosecution had not interviewed him because he's a defense witness. When judge Pastor asked how would Gourjian be aware of the claimed knowledge Tohme would have he stated due to other witnesses.
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whats the betting his other witnesses are national enquirer articles tmz etc etc.i guess thome gets on the stand and denies he knows anything and thats your lot.

pparently there is some issue on the availability of Tohme and judge Pastor indicated that "the body attachment is held."
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yeah hes booking his flight back to the lebanon as we speak!

The defense are still in need of showing relevance for Thome testimony before he will have to appear in court.
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which means. there is gonna be another hearing.where thedefence will have to show evidence from their other "witnesses" who know things about thome?

this makes sneddons fishing expeditions look tame compaired to this

thanks sharon
 
I hope he testifies too, I feel like we'll be missing a potentially huge part of this story until we hear what he has to say.
 
i doubt hes gonna say anything. remember this is about murray being on trial its not a civil suit about whether he was involved with colony/aeg to screw mj over. ppl expecting some info on that are gonna be dissapointed
 
StaceyMJ said:
I hope he testifies too, I feel like we'll be missing a potentially huge part of this story until we hear what he has to say.
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I think he'll try to do anything possible to get out of it. I doubt his testimony would help the defense, but anything said under oath could potentially help Katherine's civil suit. And I'm sure he KNOWS that.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
i doubt hes gonna say anything. remember this is about murray being on trial its not a civil suit about whether he was involved with colony/aeg to screw mj over. ppl expecting some info on that are gonna be dissapointed
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But he's so mysterious and unknown. Just to see him talking about it would be something at least to get a grasp on who he was and what he thought his role was.

Autumn II said:
I think he'll try to do anything possible to get out of it. I doubt his testimony would help the defense, but anything said under oath could potentially help Katherine's civil suit. And I'm sure he KNOWS that.
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Yeah, I have serious doubts that it will actually ever happen.
 
But he's so mysterious and unknown. Just to see him talking about it would be something at least to get a grasp on who he was and what he thought his role was.
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yeah thats very true
 
Thome has given me the creeps for years, always has done. There is something about him which actually makes me feel uneasy, and I think he knows a lot more than he is letting on. Will he do anything in his power not to testify, I bet he will. I'll be suprised to see him take the stand if I'm honest.
 
This video has been posted in the Media thread of this forum, you can see and hear Randy Philips himself saying that Thome Thome negotiated the 50 concerts with him, that he claimed Thome had spoken to him and agreed and signed for all of these concerts on behalf of Michael, basically contradicting himself, Philips claiming in a different interview that he (Randy P.) had spoken directly to Michael about the concerts, not via the intermediary and POA manager Thome Thome.

Late here, not being too coherent, so if any of you has got the time to watch the below, in my opinion, vital video that suits more than just this thread, please do. It contains more such testimonies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuJBzl1Wa7Q
 
Originally Posted by elusive moonwalker
i doubt hes gonna say anything. remember this is about murray being on trial its not a civil suit about whether he was involved with colony/aeg to screw mj over. ppl expecting some info on that are gonna be dissapointed
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Originally Posted by StaceyMJ
But he's so mysterious and unknown. Just to see him talking about it would be something at least to get a grasp on who he was and what he thought his role was.
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Damn, I agree with both! lol So let's just wait and see what we get out of this guy!? :ph34r::ermm:
 
Sophielo said:
Thome has given me the creeps for years, always has done. There is something about him which actually makes me feel uneasy, and I think he knows a lot more than he is letting on. Will he do anything in his power not to testify, I bet he will. I'll be suprised to see him take the stand if I'm honest.
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this has been my thoughts for some time too....couldn't of said it better..
 
Alma said:
This video has been posted in the Media thread of this forum, you can see and hear Randy Philips himself saying that Thome Thome negotiated the 50 concerts with him, that he claimed Thome had spoken to him and agreed and signed for all of these concerts on behalf of Michael, basically contradicting himself, Philips claiming in a different interview that he (Randy P.) had spoken directly to Michael about the concerts, not via the intermediary and POA manager Thome Thome.

Late here, not being too coherent, so if any of you has got the time to watch the below, in my opinion, vital video that suits more than just this thread, please do. It contains more such testimonies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuJBzl1Wa7Q
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thank you Alma... have seen this video before...it really does speak volumes in what people are saying...and it speaks volumes for what Michael was saying.."How many shows do I have to do"..If Michael would of signed for 50 shows WHY would he of asked.."how many shows do I have to do"???.....then there is RF...he could of stayed here for 2 years if he would of wanted to. See we are only getting the story they want us to hear...there is so much more to this story...the stress that they were putting Michael under was unbelievable..that is obvious...all they all wanted was more shows...cuz more shows equal more money. Greed thats all it is. And like I said I SEEN that other footage and I will remember his face and his words until the day I die...Mchael DID NOT know about 50 shows..and anyone with half a mind can listen to this video that Alma has posted and come to the same conclusion...again..WHY would Michael ask.."How Many"?? Tohme is very important to this case..he spoke on behalf of Michael....Tohme saw dollar signs to...greed thats all it was. Now lets hear him answer WHY...and if he tries to deny things...there are recorded things like this that will refute his testimony....like they tried to lie and say that he was never subpoena....the judge had to call in the service that served hm the papers..so lets see how much truth we get.
 
..Unfortunately, Thunder, it's not obvious for some others, who prefer resorting to undermine other ppl's credibility and even accuse them of helping the defense's strategy with (daring to) implying that AEG, Thome Thome, Randy Philips had a hand in all this as well, even as far as their carelessness of Michael was concerned. ..

I think I'm glad I didn't get to watch that video of Michael saying those words... it would haunt me as well... And, with many people now all admitting to seeing the same exact video proof, not hallucinating like they're implying... and them still not being believed... Yeah.. *sighs* Michael himself wasn't taken seriously many times in his life, so.. With the risk of sounding mean (though I call it realistic), I doubt he'd be believed by some even if the video was still available.

Maybe some could convert the above video into a downloadable link, so that it too won't be taken down.
 
Alma said:
This video has been posted in the Media thread of this forum, you can see and hear Randy Philips himself saying that Thome Thome negotiated the 50 concerts with him, that he claimed Thome had spoken to him and agreed and signed for all of these concerts on behalf of Michael, basically contradicting himself, Philips claiming in a different interview that he (Randy P.) had spoken directly to Michael about the concerts, not via the intermediary and POA manager Thome Thome.

Late here, not being too coherent, so if any of you has got the time to watch the below, in my opinion, vital video that suits more than just this thread, please do. It contains more such testimonies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuJBzl1Wa7Q
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Thanks, Alma. I'd seen this before, but thanks for reminding us. There was conflicting info from the beginning. Tohme "spoke to Michael," but then Randy Phillips was the one who "spoke to Michael" about the concerts. It was one, or the other, about the concerts. Not both at that same time. I remember that Tohme said (and I think there was a text version, as well), that Randy Phillips called HIM, and he spoke to Michael, and called Randy back and said, "Michael says it's ok." But the Randy "gets confused" and says he spoke to Michael directly.

And then there was the video that some of us saw, for REAL, where Michael clearly was upset. VERY upset. So, the truth is in there somewhere, and Tohme knows it. I'd expect he's buying a plane ticket to the Middle East, as we speak. (He was to be on the Larry King show, but as we know, he canceled and never did show up later.)
 
Not to get too far off the topic . . . but if Thome actually had power of attorney or some other authorization to negotiate on behalf of Michael, then some of this is really a moot point. In the end, it would have been business to go for the most that one could get and at that time that may have been 50 shows. If he indeed had the power to actually speak for Michael, then Michael would have been the one to give that power.

When Thome overstepped with the auction, Michael took charge and started correcting the situation (even if it meant litigation) and got rid of Thome eventually.
None of this originally happened with the concert series. So even if Michael didn't personally agree to the number 50 or even know about it until afterwards, he maintained the project and for awhile his relationship with Thome, whether it was good or bad at the time. AEG seemed to just want to work with Michael because we have yet to hear about any protest from AEG concerning Thome's dismissal.

Now the question may really be more about what was Thome doing at the hospital when Michael died. Who asked him there? Was he and Michael talking again or was he there because of Jermaine or something else?

Using this criminal case to get info. about what happened with the concert negotiations can be heading down a path that some may not want to go in the end.

And it is very strange that one attorney would say he was not working for Michael at the time of Michael's death and another would say the opposite. That should be easy to prove. What is weird is that there is even the confusion. So who is fueling that one and why? In some way I think that would link back to why Thome was at the hospital.
 
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