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Murray Trial - 3 October - Day 5 - Discussion

putting the telephone records up on the screen. pointing out when he phonecall was made to murray
 
This doctor needed to know from Murray about a patient who was going to be under surgery was still taking "Plavix" or not so as to know if proceed or not.

She was surprised how fast Murray answered, without looking any charts...

Now chernoff she was impressed?? yes
 
Correction, it's 10.20 am. She spoke to him for a short period of time.
 
conversation was short and she and other drs decided to pull the surgery
 
That was quick. What Was she actually there to answer exactly? I has some stream troubles :-/
 
I don't understand how this is relevant for the prosecution? She stated she was "impressed" in the prelims also.
Break.
 
she was a good witness. how come murray knew all these details about this paitent yet was so clueless when it came to mj. he knew the dates of when the medicine was given was so sure he let the other drs pull a surgery without checking his records. what a great memory he has. yet when it comes to mj at the hospital he turns into a clueless idiot that doesnt know anything. its showing hes not as stupid as hes trying to make himself out to be. it was good she testifyed right after the drs.

also confirmes he was on the phone with her. yet hes monitoring mj and or being harrassed by mj to give him diprivan and still remembers all those details of another paitent. yeah id be impressed aswell!
 
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she said she was impressed with Dr Murrays work.

So what was the purpose with this testiomony?? what did the prosecution wanna show with using her??
 
I don't get why she was called to be honest, she didn't have anything damaging about Con-rat to say, why did the prosecution call her? Cuz she called Murderer?
 
Flanagan looks like drunk when Dr. Nguyen was on stand. I guess she was much confused with his sillyness
 
Because this phone call took place when Murray was supposed to watch Michael.
 
HA! Just because Murray allegedly "recalled" the patient this doctor was calling him about, doesn't mean he actually did. It's very possible that she had given him enough information already.

Eg) "Hello Dr Murray, I'm Dr _____ and I'm calling you about patient John Doe who I understand underwent a stent insertion procedure by you 4.5 months ago. He is expected to undergo surgery today and I am reviewing his medical history to determine if there would be any contraindications to him undergoing surgery today. This patient advises that you started him on Plavix 4.5 months ago and told him to continue this medication for a period of 6 months post-op. In light of his anticipated surgery, do you feel it would be safe for Mr Doe to stop his Plavix now in order to undergo surgery or do you feel it is advisable for him to complete the full 6 month course of Plavix"?

So see, she would have already likely provided him with all of the specifics and it wasn't a case at all of him being such a brilliant doctor who remembered a dang thing. So his response proves nothing, IMO.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
rung murray it went to an answer machine. she needed to contact murray as the paitent was due to have surgery that day. says its very important to write down medical info previous meds and treatment the paitent is taking. makes a second attempt to call murray at another number and gets through. explains why shes calling. murrays responce was the paitent should keep taking the medication as it needed to be taken for 6 months. better to postpone the surgery instead. murray knew the dosage the paitent was taking and how long it had been taken. did she find it strange that murray knew all these details out of the blue off the top of her head. she says yes it was strange he knew the details straight away. normally a dr has to check their records or have to be reminded of the paitents details.
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elusive moonwalker said:
she was a good witness. how come murray knew all these details about this paitent yet was so clueless when it came to mj. he knew the dates of when the medicine was given was so sure he let the otehr drs pull a surgery without checking his records. what a great memory he has. yet when it comes to mj at the hospital he turns into a clueless idiot that doesnt know anything. its showing hes not as stupid as hes trying to make himself out to be

also confirmes he was on the phone with her. yet hes monitoring mj and or being harrassed by mj to give him diprivan and still remembers all those details of another paitent. yeah id be impressed aswell!
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*thumbs up*
 
I want Con-rat's dumb ho's on the stand, when are they supposed to testify?
 
dmehta said:
That wasn't a particularly damaging witness to be fair
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They are not supposed to be damaging. They are the prosecution's witnesses. The defense will bring the potentially damaging ones after the prosecution ends.

Which leads me to my slightly off topic question: prosecution filed a motion against a number of defense witnesses, including Karen Faye, Susan Etok, Tohme, Grace Rwaramba and others. Does anyone know if the judge ruled on that? And if so, what was the verdict.
 
karen faye is the only one who can testify out of the names u mentioned. david adams cherlyn lee and alan metzger can be called by the defence . i think thats it. from what i can remember
 
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lemon662 said:
HA! Just because Murray allegedly "recalled" the patient this doctor was calling him about, doesn't mean he actually did. It's very possible that she had given him enough information already.

Eg) "Hello Dr Murray, I'm Dr _____ and I'm calling you about patient John Doe who I understand underwent a stent insertion procedure by you 4.5 months ago. He is expected to undergo surgery today and I am reviewing his medical history to determine if there would be any contraindications to him undergoing surgery today. This patient advises that you started him on Plavix 4.5 months ago and told him to continue this medication for a period of 6 months post-op. In light of his anticipated surgery, do you feel it would be safe for Mr Doe to stop his Plavix now in order to undergo surgery or do you feel it is advisable for him to complete the full 6 month course of Plavix"?

So see, she would have already likely provided him with all of the specifics and it wasn't a case at all of him being such a brilliant doctor who remembered a dang thing. So his response proves nothing, IMO.
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Yes, I quite agree. that in fact would be more than likely, IMO. And so his answer would of course be, hold the surgery..

One thing the doctors are definitely showing is how a true professional practices medicine, adheres to standards and puts patient safety in the forefront. In contrast to murray. The differences become more and more apparent as the testimonies continue.
 
will that woman with the fake english action shut up on the tmz feed. yes we know what the
live feed is for
 
elusive moonwalker said:
she was a good witness. how come murray knew all these details about this paitent yet was so clueless when it came to mj. he knew the dates of when the medicine was given was so sure he let the otehr drs pull a surgery without checking his records. what a great memory he has. yet when it comes to mj at the hospital he turns into a clueless idiot that doesnt know anything. its showing hes not as stupid as hes trying to make himself out to be

also confirmes he was on the phone with her. yet hes monitoring mj and still remembers all those details of another paitent. yeah id be impressed aswell!
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That's the question that came to mind immediately after I heard what she said, too! The State's exposing Murray's hypocrisy and blatant negligence regarding Michael's care. How is it that he's very efficient and thorough with his Houston patients, yet suddenly becomes a sloppy caregiver with his superstar wealthy patient? He wasn't sloppy when he treated Michael's kids pre-2009 in Las Vegas, hence why Michael probably hired him to be his personal physician for TII in the first place.
 
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cinzia said:
Yes, I quite agree. that in fact would be more than likely, IMO. And so his answer would of course be, hold the surgery..

One thing the doctors are definitely showing is how a true professional practices medicine, adheres to standards and puts patient safety in the forefront. In contrast to murray. The differences become more and more apparent as the testimonies continue.
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True, Murray is trying to have it both ways. He's now trying to say that when he was hired he didn't know the extent of Michael supposed drug problem, but as a professional and his personal doctor he should had known these things long before he was hired. It also shows as a doctor he should had put Michael's overall safety over what Michael may or may not wanted.
 
Faye is able to testify? But the judge set certain limits didn't he?
Faye is a nutjob
 
SheilaMJFan4Ever said:
That's the question that came to mind immediately after I heard what she said, too! The State's exposing Murray's hypocrisy and blatant negligence regarding Michael's care. How is it that he's very efficient and thorough with his Houston patients, yet suddenly becomes a sloppy caregiver with his superstar wealthy patient? He wasn't sloppy when he treated Michael's kids pre-2009 in Las Vegas.
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Just curious; why would a cardiologist have been previously treating MJ's children? Was he not practicing as a cardiologist then and perhaps as a regular general practitioner?
 
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