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I think the verdict will come on Monday because of the special connection MJ has with the number 7. Monday is November 7. Hope this hasn't been posted already. I didn't read the entire thread.
 
Vici said:
Im not that of a spiritual person but if someone here is fond of the number 7 then take a look here :p


Monday is the 7th november. It is also the beginning of the 7th week of the trial. On Monday, the 7th hour of deliberations will continue.

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So if the jury will reach a verdict on Monday, im sure alot of people will see a symbolic value in it... :)
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Well, if so, hope they reached guilty verdict. 'Cauze if not, number 7 would be damaged ;)
 
And 05 the verdict came on the 7th day
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
wouldnt u expect ppl to go into the jury room with their opinon already formed. why the need to start going through everything unless the jury is split. which is disturbing in its self
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This was my thought. That the evidence was so overwhelming as to Murray's guilt, the jurors all would have formed that opinion and were immediately ready to vote accordingly.

But then trying to be objective, I accept they want to be able to walk away from this without any doubts they did the right thing. The rest of Murray's life is literally in their hands, regardless of jail time or not, he probably will lose his medical license with a guilty verdict. As a juror, they want to have a totally clear conscience they've done the right thing, so I can understand them wanting to go back and review all angles before finalizing their decision.

They are definitely going to be confronted with those who will say they voted guilty because the victim was MJ. But if they know they've carefully reviewed and weighed all the facts, they can have a clear conscience they voted guilty because that is what Murray IS. They can totally defend their decision to others and most importantly to themselves.
 
gerryevans said:
This was my thought. That the evidence was so overwhelming as to Murray's guilt, the jurors all would have formed that opinion and were immediately ready to vote accordingly.

But then trying to be objective, I accept they want to be able to walk away from this without any doubts they did the right thing. The rest of Murray's life is literally in their hands, regardless of jail time or not, he probably will lose his medical license with a guilty verdict. As a juror, they want to have a totally clear conscience they've done the right thing, so I can understand them wanting to go back and review all angles before finalizing their decision.

They are definitely going to be confronted with those who will say they voted guilty because the victim was MJ. But if they know they've carefully reviewed and weighed all the facts, they can have a clear conscience they voted guilty because that is what Murray IS. They can totally defend their decision to others and most importantly to themselves.
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Given what he did to Michael, how would this jury feel if they acquitted, and if Murray did NOT lose his medical license, and he went ahead and killed someone else? I hope the jury ponders this very, very carefully. . . . .
 
How fars the d.a office from the court house as none of the lawyers were at court fri. so they werent expecting a quickie. or maybe im reaching
 
I dont understand why people compare delibirations period 05 and current. Michael was faced more than 20 years in prison and it was bad crime accusations. Pros line was dim, probatives are thin. Jury had complications with it and had to consider many times. But now it's all clarified and justified.....
 
mijaons said:
Please stop spamming threads with inane questions! Use google! Everything that pops into your head need not be a post. It's making reading this thread so hard. If you care about Michael at all, you would wait for a verdict. The jury has to go through the evidence. It is ridiculous to expect a verdict before tuesday.
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I agree re: it being most likely a verdict won't come before Tuesday, however, there are some things I am needing to address.

Unfortunately for you, this thread is not designed with you personally in mind. There are other posters who have a right to ask whatever questions they feel are relevant, whether or not these agree with you are of no consequence. I have little patience for some types of questions as well, but I keep in mind all have a right to their say, and therefore even the most seemingly inane questions must be permitted. Not everyone posting here is either a native English speaker, nor well-versed with the way things work in American courts, therefore, getting an answer from someone on the forum who knows these things better would probably be more helpful to them than googling, which may cause more confusion than it relieves in some cases.

If you have an issue with Inge's questions, I suggest you ignore them, and let someone who is able and willing to answer them do just that. This forum is for everyone, no matter what, and the whole "if you care about Michael at all" comment is, in my honest opinion, completely unnecessary. I think it is obvious we ALL care about Michael--otherwise, we would not be here right now.

But, we are in accordance regarding the necessity for a thorough and carefully thought-out verdict, even if the case seems clear enough to us. See my previous post re: why this must be so.
 
Autumn II said:
Given what he did to Michael, how would this jury feel if they acquitted, and if Murray did NOT lose his medical license, and he went ahead and killed someone else? I hope the jury ponders this very, very carefully. . . . .
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They'd feel terrible, but they'd do what others do when they've made the wrong decision, draw on the evidence that completely convinced them they were correct.
 
Sorry, I do not understand why the delay in giving the verdict. :unsure: It was shown in court all the negligence of Murray, as one can still analyze everything that has been shown to reach the conclusion that he is guilty or not? :scratch: :blink: There is no alternative: guilty. It is something very simple... everything was very, very, very clearly shown. I do not believe that the jury may have any doubt about it (or whatever it is). :blink:

Ok, maybe I'm too stupid to understand. :doh:
 
Severus Snape said:
I agree re: it being most likely a verdict won't come before Tuesday, however, there are some things I am needing to address.

Unfortunately for you, this thread is not designed with you personally in mind. There are other posters who have a right to ask whatever questions they feel are relevant, whether or not these agree with you are of no consequence. I have little patience for some types of questions as well, but I keep in mind all have a right to their say, and therefore even the most seemingly inane questions must be permitted. Not everyone posting here is either a native English speaker, nor well-versed with the way things work in American courts, therefore, getting an answer from someone on the forum who knows these things better would probably be more helpful to them than googling, which may cause more confusion than it relieves in some cases.

If you have an issue with Inge's questions, I suggest you ignore them, and let someone who is able and willing to answer them do just that. This forum is for everyone, no matter what, and the whole "if you care about Michael at all" comment is, in my honest opinion, completely unnecessary. I think it is obvious we ALL care about Michael--otherwise, we would not be here right now.

But, we are in accordance regarding the necessity for a thorough and carefully thought-out verdict, even if the case seems clear enough to us. See my previous post re: why this must be so.
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thank you sev. Im glad im allowed to ask questions. Like everybody else does. Ofcourse I care about Michael otherwise i wouldnt be here.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
A hung jury is a hung jury regardless of the numbers. spector case was 10-2 i believe. alternates only come in if a jurror is taken off the case say cause of illness
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Ok thank you elusive. It was once in law and order they voted out loud so thats why i thought maybe there is a change even with 1 person. But now i get it. thx!
 
You can check out the fighting/arguing between the fans and Murray supporters that happened yesterday outside the courthouse

Tensions were running high outside the Los Angeles County Courthouse while the jury deliberated in the Conrad Murray Manslaughter trial. Protesters on both sides were chanting, cursing, and competing for a position in the penned-in sidewalk areas.
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VIDEO: http://www.hlntv.com/video/2011/11/04/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-fans-fight
 
mijaons said:
Please stop spamming threads with inane questions! Use google! Everything that pops into your head need not be a post. It's making reading this thread so hard. If you care about Michael at all, you would wait for a verdict. The jury has to go through the evidence. It is ridiculous to expect a verdict before tuesday.
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Ah, I see the spirit of camaraderie and togetherness is already crumbling...Sad to see this kind of post especially now. With all the stress and emotion we are all undergoing this is the time to support each other and display sensitivity and understanding especially for those who are not familiar with the vagaries and historical cases of the American judicial system (and for those of us who are :D ).
 
I would expect a verdict by the end of next week. They have a lot of evidence to go through.
 
Autumn II said:
Given what he did to Michael, how would this jury feel if they acquitted, and if Murray did NOT lose his medical license, and he went ahead and killed someone else? I hope the jury ponders this very, very carefully. . . . .
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Absolutely, and if they go through that evidence thoroughly they will come across the disciplinary letter from Sunrise also regarding standard of care and they can add that to the seventeen egregious failure's of standard of care, I can't see how any juror could fail to pass a guilty verdict on gross negligence.
 
Can I just reiterate that I know how difficult it is to keep calm, I've personally suffered with lack of sleep and shot nerves, but just a reminder please don't take it out on each other. We need to be here to rely upon, we're all a family.
 
Hmmmmm:
MJJ-777
?"yeah we kinda concluded yesterday at the courthouse today they say controversial stuff because of ratings on the air and that's why they talk bad about good people. Ive spoken to him several times abt the trial off tbe record and he thinks murray is an insane nut job for what he did. but on air that doesn't equal ratings so he can't act that way on tv." -Michael Craig (big MJ fan) on his conversation with Dr. Drew, off the air.
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I am so upset right now. It's a hard time right now waiting for this verdict. I have been crying a lot. I feel like in the last couple of days we have been hit with some blows. The bodyguards crappy interview, Frank on 20/20 and now Murray filming a documentary. I feel like it's us fans against the world. Maybe I am out of line for saying this but it's like everyone is forgetting that Michael is the victim and we are defending him and supporting him.

All these people with their agendas enjoying life. I have seen pictures of Murray shopping, at the beach etc during the trial and what is Michael doing? Nothing because he is at Forest lawn cemetary. I just feel so sick what is going on around us. Sorry for the rant. It's bad enough this waiting for the verdict but these other things are so not needed right now.
 
Preach Liza! :agree:


liza_withaz Liza Minnelli
@Sodum65 and the criminal should be put away for just as long!
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liza_withaz Liza Minnelli
@Sodum65 I think I heard that too. 4 years isn't a suitable punishment for taking someone's life ever. That person is now gone for forever,
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Didn't the judge advise against taking a quick account of their votes/thinking before really discussing the evidence? Initially, it bothered me that there was not a quick verdict. But, if they are going about it the way the judge stated that they should, then it would be difficult to do it in a day.
 
^^I remember the judge telling them to not form an opinion while listening to the evidence. He said that when he was giving one of his admonitions. This means that while listening to the evidence apparently they cannot decide guilty, but have to wait till all the evidence is in and then discuss in the jury room. If the jury follow that directive, then they are going to be debating. I know if it was me, I would already have an idea of guilty vs non-guilty half-way through the testimony.
 
marebear said:
I am so upset right now. It's a hard time right now waiting for this verdict. I have been crying a lot. I feel like in the last couple of days we have been hit with some blows. The bodyguards crappy interview, Frank on 20/20 and now Murray filming a documentary. I feel like it's us fans against the world. Maybe I am out of line for saying this but it's like everyone is forgetting that Michael is the victim and we are defending him and supporting him. All these people with their agendas enjoying life. I have seen pictures of Murray shopping, at the beach etc during the trial and what is Michael doing? Nothing because he is at Forest lawn cemetary. I just feel so sick what is going on around us. Sorry for the rant. It's bad enough this waiting for the verdict but these other things are so not needed right now.
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agree.this shit is pushing me to the edge.
 
^^Hang in there guys, bad things come in groups, so we can expect all the negatives to occur at about the same time.
 
I can't remember if there seemed to be this much media shit and whoring going on during deliberations in '05?
 
djbaby said:
I can't remember if there seemed to be this much media shit and whoring going on during deliberations in '05?
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I think it might have been worse and more vicious because they wanted Michael to be convicted. I wrote before that TMez said that they were disappointed by the verdict because they had planned to do coverages for months in the future, showing Michael in prison, coverage on what he was eating, his demeanor, etc.

If it was Michael who was charged with negligent homicide, we would have seen a bigger media circus and nastier reporting.
 
Petrarose said:
I think it might have been worse and more vicious because they wanted Michael to be convicted. I wrote before that TMez said that they were disappointed by the verdict because they had planned to do coverages for months in the future, showing Michael in prison, coverage on what he was eating, his demeanor, etc.

If it was Michael who was charged with negligent homicide, we would have seen a bigger media circus and nastier reporting.
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OK, yeah - I get what you are saying. they were so savage on MJ - bastards
 
I heard bout what those ex bodyguards of mj said on GMA and im so angry bout. It just seems everyone who mj trusted is letting him down by taking $$$ in return for fame
 
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