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Lets Discuss BAD concerts footage and what may have been shot on film ?

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Bad Tour blu-ray would be the best release ever. I hope Estate reads this thread.
 
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"Michael Jackson: Bad World Tour Live in Wembley/Paris/Hamburg/Liverpool 1988 Blu-Ray has just been announced, the release is pieced together from New Scans of the original Film Negatives, mixed with Multitrack and restored audio from All four shows, the concert will be released in Cinemas Worldwide on September 11th 2015 & later released on DVD & Blu-Ray. go to badtourbluray.michaeljackson.com for more information." if only they would announce this and make our dreams come true :(
 
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Firstly, do they have the film? Anyway, such project cutting all the film together isn't cheap and fast. It has more to do actually with passion and care (which guys over there lack IMO). They are more interested in quick buck with minimal effort put.
That is something like Brian May told here about their Montreal Blu-Ray release. It's more to do with being eager and caring as with a baby than having in mind a money making machine.
Also to notice, Montreal film was already pre-cut by editors back in the day. In this case you would have to mix it all from scratch :S I don't think they'd ever do that to be honest. It's just too huge thing to do and they probably aren't even willing to spend that much money on something like that. As Go Flying said, due to terrible sales of Michael and Bad 25, it's more likely that hell will freeze over before another Bad era concert is released.
Saul Swimmer's editors made their selection of shots to use, and the footage they left on the cutting room floor has never been seen again. So no proper re-edit of the visuals was possible. It's kinda sad, because in addition to all the cut-aways we might have liked to use, bits of songs are missing, and the whole of "Flash" and "The Hero" will never be seen because the visuals don't exist. These tracks ARE however on the CD version of Queen Rock Montreal -- and sound great!
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The work that has gone into rescuing it is immense ... I can't even get into all the details, but Justin Shirley-Smith, and Kris Fredriksson have put nine months of loving care into rebirthing this baby ... It involved finding the master 24-track tapes, figuring out how they had been chopped up, digitally copying them, and rebuilding them into complete performances, and then after much cleaning up, making a splendid new mix in 5.1 surround. The visuals were in a sense harder....
.....Justin and Kris mostly had to match up all the sound bites to picture. It's a great piece of work. Well, Maybe I've spoiled it for you by telling you all this, but I wanted you to appreciate the work that's gone into it, and how worthwhile the project has been, made possible by Eagle Rock.
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Rudolf said:
Firstly, do they have the film? Anyway, such project cutting all the film together isn't cheap and fast. It has more to do actually with passion and care
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That is what they need to do. :) If they really have the film reels then it would be a crime not to release them. Estate should say something about this. I want to see the best performer of all time at his best performing in HD.
 
Zakk said:
as Go Flying said all the footage directed by Patrick Kelley during the european leg of the tour including film reels have been identified and catalogued, as of last year....
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Say what? Is this true? Are you saying that they have found the originals film negatives?
 
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The DVD is pretty much nearly as awful as the BAD25 MITM mix. It was all I could do not to walk out of the theatre at that point in the movie.

still the DVD mix is just plain awful and poor quality work. Why take michael's voice which sounds warm and sweet on the source multis and mix it so that it sounds hard and shrill?

why make one of the workd's best drummers sound no better than a cheap sample machine.

all the individual tracks are hideously gated and WAY overcompressed. The surround audience tracks are treated with additional and totally out of character reverb when there was absolutely no need. And on and on and on.....

i guess it's down to the Peter principle
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Could you post a sample of how it should sound?
 
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Go Flying Did you really mean that they have found the film reels or just that they started catalogue what they have last year?
 
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Go Flying said:
The snippets have been out there for quite some time, but you already knew this lol :)
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They were simply too short. :(

If you can upload a song with permission from Gaz, it's your rendition so it is allowed. My perspective of how it should sound with the tools and source I have was allowed in the multimedia section.

Please, make us happy! :D
 
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I'd love to hear this concert as it should sound! This mix would come from the original multitracks?
 
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Galactus123 said:
Go Flying Did you really mean that they have found the film reels or just that they started catalogue what they have last year?
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i wanna know this too @Go Flying please give us detail of what shows have been identified and catalogued from the patrick kelley footage from the european leg of the tour. we could start a big petition, asking for them to make a pristine Blu-Ray Mix of the shows :) for example, Paris, Wembley, Hamburg & Liverpool! with audio perfectly mixed by you :') i know itd take years but even if it were to be released on the BAD Tour 30th Anniversary in 2017 or the 1988 leg anniversary in 2018, would be fantastic to see it. :)
 
Zakk said:
i wanna know this too @Go Flying please give us detail of what shows have been identified and catalogued from the patrick kelley footage from the european leg of the tour. we could start a big petition, asking for them to make a pristine Blu-Ray Mix of the shows :) for example, Paris, Wembley, Hamburg & Liverpool! with audio perfectly mixed by you :') i know itd take years but even if it were to be released on the BAD Tour 30th Anniversary in 2017 or the 1988 leg anniversary in 2018, would be fantastic to see it. :)
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By then Bluray isn't relevant anymore. This should be released ASAP, even if its only available on demand by Sony.

Give us something estate, it's hard to be a MJ fan. Since 2004 we didn't get a great release. This is becoming embarrassing.
 
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IMWhizzle said:
By then Bluray isn't relevant anymore. This should be released ASAP, even if its only available on demand by Sony.

Give us something estate, it's hard to be a MJ fan. Since 2004 we didn't get a great release. This is becoming embarrassing.
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the estate are embaressing for michael's legacy. the fact they released a vhs in 2012 is a complete waste of a show. hoping they give us what we desireand thats a Blu-Ray of michael's 1988 Bad Tour show.
 
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^however, it may have had poor sales but for a VHS it did pretty good..and its becoming embarrassing indeed. but i do have a feeling they will release something HD but it will only be one thing, and seeing they will be releasing Wembley this summer looks like theyll bring something else for future release.
 
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MJ*PP said:
^however, it may have had poor sales but for a VHS it did pretty good..and its becoming embarrassing indeed. but i do have a feeling they will release something HD but it will only be one thing, and seeing they will be releasing Wembley this summer looks like theyll bring something else for future release.
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they will be releasing wembley this summer? i hope we do get a properly pieced together BAD Tour 88' - 89' Blu-Ray in the next few years.
 
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yess they gave few hints to release it this summer. you havent seen the thread where its being discussed? I thought it will be bluray too
 
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MJ*PP said:
yess they gave few hints to release it this summer. you havent seen the thread where its being discussed? I thought it will be bluray too
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wait, you said wembley is being released this summer... did you mean bad25 docu?
 
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We are not getting anything big like this this year. Maybe in 3 years if the release is possible. Spike Lee's doc release is this summer(or it should be). If there will be a Bad Tour blu-ray in the future I hope it is one concert instead of mixing many together. Any 1988 concert from the films would be great or 2 concerts. Liverpool would be my first choice to get released but if other concert is better then that. I hope they have the films. :)
 
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The behind the scenes footage would be priceless. There is so much they could do with the Bad tour film footage. A big documentary featuring performances from around the world and behind the scenes footage, plus a separate full show. Unfortunately I don't trust the people in charge. I don't see a real deep passion for Michael from them.
 
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MJ*PP said:
yess they gave few hints to release it this summer. you havent seen the thread where its being discussed? I thought it will be bluray too
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Who gave a few hints? I haven't seen any thread where they are talking about a wembley release coming. What's the name of the thread ? The only thread I've seen stating a summer release is Spike less Bad 25 documentary on Bluray and he said summer and then June in a tweet.
 
WildStyle said:
The behind the scenes footage would be priceless. There is so much they could do with the Bad tour film footage. A big documentary featuring performances from around the world and behind the scenes footage, plus a separate full show. Unfortunately I don't trust the people in charge. I don't see a real deep passion for Michael from them.
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Pink Floyd fans
Elvis fans
Beatles fans
Queen fans

They all are proud of the stuff they got from the labels. Real authentic stuff.

The best thing Sony ever did for Michael since the release of DANGEROUS, was the marketing and release of THIS IS IT. And that was it.

Sony many beautiful opportunities:

MJ's original 5.1 (surround) SACD catalogue masters...

Live HD footage.. From different concert areas..

Beautiful outtakes from the invincible album and tracks he did record just before his passing.

It's all there, but it seems like they don't care.
 
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IMWhizzle said:
Pink Floyd fans
Elvis fans
Beatles fans
Queen fans

They all are proud of the stuff they got from the labels. Real authentic stuff.

The best thing Sony ever did for Michael since the release of DANGEROUS, was the marketing and release of THIS IS IT. And that was it.

Sony many beautiful opportunities:

MJ's original 5.1 (surround) SACD catalogue masters...

Live HD footage.. From different concert areas..

Beautiful outtakes from the invincible album and tracks he did record just before his passing.

It's all there, but it seems like they don't care.
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they do have the BAD Tour film reels, even more of an embaressment being a fan right now................ COME ON SONY AND ESTATE GIVE US THE BAD TOUR IN HIGH DEFINITION WITH RESTORED (I DONT CARE IF IT AINT MULTITRACK) AUDIO!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
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The notion that Queen fans are happy with their concert releases is a deep, fat lie. They are arguably more disappointed due to the sheer number of released concerts that are not complete due to missing film reels or poor editing. MJ fans have been lucky in that their concert releases are complete in the sense that they have complete songs.

And honestly, I believe that the fans are more of an embarrassment than the Estate releasing Wembley last year. The constant bitching about mythical film reels that would take several miracles to turn into a coherent concerts is enough for anyone to jump ship off of this sinking fandom.

@ Zakk,I've seen you praise and demean the Wembley release ever since it was released. The Bad celebrations are over, and a Bad Tour release is unlikely to ever happen again, let alone something that will employ those mythical film reels. You've surely seen the quality of Umatic tape: it is not that much better than the VHS quality of Wembley. We live in a world where musical footage from the 80s downwards gets lost and optimal releases hardly EVER happen. Enjoy what you have been "blessed" with (as you said of the supposedly "embarrassing" Wembley show) to have. I feel that fans who demand these things just makes the Estate wonder why they should even bother releasing anything, because they simply can't win with the hand they've been dealt with, with A/V mismanagement in the 80s and music scattered in studios all over the world.
 
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Jesta said:
The notion that Queen fans are happy with their concert releases is a deep, fat lie. They are arguably more disappointed due to the sheer number of released concerts that are not complete due to missing film reels or poor editing. MJ fans have been lucky in that their concert releases haven't been cut in any way.
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Yes they have. Bucharest dvd has parts from other concerts. The long spin at the end of Man in the Mirror is from other concert. It doesn't bother me if little clips are taken from other concerts but I just thought I should mention. :)

Concerts blu-rays/dvds can be released in any year. It does not have to be anniversary or any celebration year.
 
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Jesta said:
The notion that Queen fans are happy with their concert releases is a deep, fat lie. They are arguably more disappointed due to the sheer number of released concerts that are not complete due to missing film reels or poor editing. MJ fans have been lucky in that their concert releases haven't been cut in any way.
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Lol have you heard of The Bowl re-release? :D Utter pointless.
I heard that Rainbow '74 might be out sometime in future. But I suppose it's just a rumor by now.
Anyway and yeah Queen fans aren't quite happy because of lack of 70s material out there.
 
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Jesta said:
The notion that Queen fans are happy with their concert releases is a deep, fat lie. They are arguably more disappointed due to the sheer number of released concerts that are not complete due to missing film reels or poor editing. MJ fans have been lucky in that their concert releases are complete in the sense that they have complete songs.

And honestly, I believe that the fans are more of an embarrassment than the Estate releasing Wembley last year. The constant bitching about mythical film reels that would take several miracles to turn into a coherent concerts is enough for anyone to jump ship off of this sinking fandom.

@ Zakk,I've seen you praise and demean the Wembley release ever since it was released. The Bad celebrations are over, and a Bad Tour release is unlikely to ever happen again, let alone something that will employ those mythical film reels. You've surely seen the quality of Umatic tape: it is not that much better than the VHS quality of Wembley. We live in a world where musical footage from the 80s downwards gets lost and optimal releases hardly EVER happen. Enjoy what you have been "blessed" with (as you said of the supposedly "embarrassing" Wembley show) to have. I feel that fans who demand these things just makes the Estate wonder why they should even bother releasing anything, because they simply can't win with the hand they've been dealt with, with A/V mismanagement in the 80s and music scattered in studios all over the world.
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you seriously think umatic is only slightly better than a vhs?

 
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Zakk said:
you seriously think umatic is only slightly better than a vhs?
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It's not THAT much better. There is a difference though. Also it depends in what state the VHS is. Wembley VHS was in pretty poor condition. I'm sure a good VHS could even be superior to the so called Umatic.
 
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Wow, THAT'S the only thing you take from my message? And yes, I do. There's only slightly more detail and no VHS Effect. In that video you posted, there's no difference that I can see. I just see no need for fans to keep harping on this notion that the Estate should release a blu-ray featuring these miracle film reels or Umatic tapes. Umatic tape is a moot point because it still looks bad, and those film reels wouldn't be able to be used together to make a coherent concert. We have gotten the best that they can give in all areas, and all 80s artists are in the same boat here.
 
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Jesta said:
Wow, THAT'S the only thing you take from my message? And yes, I do. There's only slightly more detail and no VHS Effect. Hell, in that video you posted, there's no difference that I can see. The Umatic tape is a moot point because it still looks bad
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Umatic can be very good quality:

Remember 720p. :)
 
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