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MJ Estate Statement Re: Justin Bieber Slave To The Rhythm Recording. [Merged]

Quench said:
Even if this would cause more coverage, personally I think it's already gotten a lot coverage based on my MJ google alert that no more could hurt, I still find it fishy how lightly they're taking it that somebody was able to do this... I'd rather they go through with full justice for whoever did this without their authorization than this to be swept under the dust and for someone to unjustly go unpunished.
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I too hope they are doing something about it legally. We don't know if they don't. They need evidence to who leaked it and why though.
 
You don't need Damien Shields to know "Max Methods" is working for Tricky's "Red Zone Entertainment", this info is on his Twitter profile.
 
GreenEyes said:
Just look at the description of this video. And they can't even use a real picture of Michael, just an imposter. SMH! :no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_NFDU4l9Vc
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That's true. I think everybody here can tell it's not him in an instant.

To "help" we could report each MJ/Bieber Video as "Copyright infringement" (flag symbol under video). But you have to fill out your personal details and your reasons for the complaint each time. And normally, you complain about your own content beeing misused, but I guess it could still work.
The estate seems to be quite slow at this... (or maybe youtube is still processing their complaint?)
 
Xscape2041 said:
That's true. I think everybody here can tell it's not him in an instant.

To "help" we could report each MJ/Bieber Video as "Copyright infringement" (flag symbol under video). But you have to fill out your personal details and your reasons for the complaint each time. And normally, you complain about your own content beeing misused, but I guess it could still work.
The estate seems to be quite slow at this... (or maybe youtube is still processing their complaint?)
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It's just really irritating to read this person claim that Michael gave Justin this song to finish in 2008. What a bunch of B.S.:angry:
 
Xscape2041 said:
That's true. I think everybody here can tell it's not him in an instant.

To "help" we could report each MJ/Bieber Video as "Copyright infringement" (flag symbol under video). But you have to fill out your personal details and your reasons for the complaint each time. And normally, you complain about your own content beeing misused, but I guess it could still work.
The estate seems to be quite slow at this... (or maybe youtube is still processing their complaint?)
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The MJ fans just need to combat this wherever they see it by providing corrective comments.
The Bieber fans started saying that Bieber bought the song.
Then they said it was given to him by the Jackson family.
Now this person says MJ gave it to him himself.
What a loads of nonsense.
I have nothing against Bieber but his fans are spreading lies all over the place and I'm amazed this person even used a picture of an impersonator instead of MJ. what a tool.


Why do they feel that they need to give Bieber ownership of the song in the first place?


Clearly the Jackson family would not give away an MJ song for free even if they were in a position to do such a thing. they certainly could not sell it as they own no rights to MJ's music.


Also it is very obvious to anybody with half a brain that the MJ Estate, as the people put in place by MJ to manage his postumous projects, would not give any MJ music away. It's also obvious that they would never sell an MJ song to anybody else.


Why aren't they just satisfied with the concept that somebody (either the MJ Estate or Tricky's guys) asked Bieber to contribute to the song?
There is no other plausible reason why Bieber is on a Michael Jackson track, and I find it staggering that the Bieber fans continue to spread such rubbish.


I also find it amusing that the Bieber fans give him so much credit for the end result.
As far as I'm aware he's not known for his production or arrangement skills and I highly doubt he had much to do with those elements of this song considering it follows Tricky's 2010 version quite closely. Certainly the only thing that has taken place since 2010 is evolution, not innovation. We all know he certainly didn't write the lyrics and only copied Mj's vocal style, rather than innovate his own way of singing it. To me it's quite obvious that Bieber's only substantial involvement in this track is to go into the vocal booth and copy MJ, nothing more.
 
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I need a new album from Michael, gonna blast it out on my speakers for the neighbours to be blessed with also and buy a copy for each of my friends.. hope i can give it out for christmas :)
 
Tricky's got some explaining to do then possibly? IF this is true, they really need to be more careful with who they work with.
 
dam2040 said:
Tricky's got some explaining to do then possibly? IF this is true, they really need to be more careful with who they work with.
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i say get l.a reid and babyface working on the track together and release it on d25.
 
so now that we learned this got nothing to do with MJ Estate and it was all Tricky Stweart's doing, has it been a lesson? Not to jump tp conclusions without knowing, and not to blame people without knowing? Estate wasn't behind this and they told you so. If only you listened.
 
This is what happens when random producers are given songs they were not involved with in the first place. Bring these guys back.

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KingMikeJ said:
This is what happens when random producers are given songs they were not involved with in the first place. Bring these guys back.

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the original 1989 crew.. hope they work on it after all these revelations :)
 
Dorian said:
Was that Justin guy even born in 2008? :p
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ha Yes.....but he was still singing on youtube, undiscovered at that time I believe. His first album didn't even come out until Nov. 2009, after Michael died. I don't know why his fans have to spread false information. I find it hard to believe that Michael Jackson would have even known who Justin Bieber was. I am relieved to know, however, that the estate wasn't behind this. I think they need to be a little more careful about who they lend Michael's songs too, and I think legal action needs to be taken. If not, we might see this happening again...and again.
 
Courtney said:
ha Yes.....but he was still singing on youtube, undiscovered at that time I believe. His first album didn't even come out until Nov. 2009, after Michael died. I don't know why his fans have to spread false information. I find it hard to believe that Michael Jackson would have even known who Justin Bieber was. I am relieved to know, however, that the estate wasn't behind this. I think they need to be a little more careful about who they lend Michael's songs too, and I think legal action needs to be taken. If not, we might see this happening again...and again.
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he didn't know of justin bieber (gladly) but he did know of shaheen jafargholi from britain's got talent.. who sang the J5 classic 'who's loving you' :)
 
Xscape2041 said:
That's true. I think everybody here can tell it's not him in an instant.

To "help" we could report each MJ/Bieber Video as "Copyright infringement" (flag symbol under video). But you have to fill out your personal details and your reasons for the complaint each time. And normally, you complain about your own content beeing misused, but I guess it could still work.
The estate seems to be quite slow at this... (or maybe youtube is still processing their complaint?)
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when the complain is coming from SME they normally delete a video immediately. and you can not do anything against that. and you will receive an automatically warning. 3 warnings and your account is deleted.
i recognized that some bieber fans allready changed the audio of the video. the videos that are up longer than 2 days. so it could be that they dont get complain by SME. i'm not sure. and so the uploader have the possibility to change the audio, and later, i dont know when, they can try to edit the video back to original and bring back the audio.

and i dont know, didnt counted them, are the 100 uploaded videos?
 
ivy said:
so now that we learned this got nothing to do with MJ Estate and it was all Tricky Stweart's doing, has it been a lesson? Not to jump tp conclusions without knowing, and not to blame people without knowing? Estate wasn't behind this and they told you so. If only you listened.
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Aren't you jumping to conclusions here yourself though? All that Max Methods has said is that he works with Tricky Stewart and that Tricky had him re-produce the record. How can you come to the certain conclusion from this that Tricky must have acted on his own and illegally commissioned this track to be remixed? For all we know this remark could just as well mean that Max Methods was asked by Tricky to re-produce the track, since he works for him, after Tricky was asked by the Estate to work on this. I know from other discussions we have had that you are always really cautious about accusing someone of something illegal without 100% proof, so unless you know more than we do, I just do not see how you can reach such a firm conclusion in this instance.

To be clear: I myself have no problem with people speculating and debating over different scenarios, so I do not mind what you are saying at all and of course see where you are coming from - it could very well be the case. But if you are going to start lecturing other people on how to behave, then I think the least you can do is to apply that standard to yourself as well.

Also, we did listen. If the Estate had clearly indicated that they never commissioned this recording and that they had no involvement with it whatsoever, this issue could have been put to rest days ago. Instead we got a message sent to fans on their mailing list on Friday that I think we can all agree upon was vague and open to interpretation, and then yesterday a longer response to a fan's inquiry that seemed to suggest they are only worried about the leak but not the recording of the track itself.
 
marc_vivien;3891055 said:
Max Methods, the DJ / producer who remixed Michael Jackson’s “Slave To The Rhythm” as a duet with Justin Bieber, has revealed exclusively to me how the track came to be.
“I work with Tricky Stewart. He signed me to his label Red Zone Ent, and had me re-produce the record,” the DJ told me.
“He also had Justin [Bieber] record new vocals. I do not know how it leaked.”



http://www.damienshields.com/exclus...jackson-track-became-duet-with-justin-bieber/
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So are you guys going to apologize for saying the Estate was behind this.
 
Respect I read the above comment and it is clear to me. Where does it say that the Estate told Tricky to ask Justin to record new vocals. Now it seems to me that Tricky in the process of working on the song got creative and asked someone to do something with it. It does not mean the estate authorized Tricky to do that.

I see 2 e-mails--one saying recording is unauthorized, and the other saying leak is unauthorized. I am not confused by those either. The estate did not say a "song" but "recording," so since I know what recording means I am not confused. However, if some want to be confused that is ok.

I will never believe that Branca & co who knows the value of the little bit of music Michael left behind will commission Trickey to have Justine erase Michael's vocals and put his over it.



Personally I think that Trickey was working on the song and thought he would have Biber do this becasue Biber is young and hot among the teens. Then, he probably held on to the Biber recording. He may have approached the estate about releasing it and they said no. Maybe he gave it to that other guy to listen to--the one that Qbee said suddenly began to tweet and promote the song. Like Randy with the e-mails, Trickey would not want to leak the thing himself, because the estate would know immediately who did it, so he could have given it to this other guy to listen to and this guy could have leaked it for him or own his own. Since Trickey is not coming out and calling out this guy for doing this & Bieber is not calling out any of the guys and saying he did not know this was going to come out, then it seems to me that they all knew that this leak would take place.
 
Estate gave Tricky the song (the original 1989 version) to produce it for the 2010 MICHAEL album. He was working on the song and submitted the song to the Estate (finished version that leaked few days ago). Meanwhile someone stole from his studio "work in progress" version that leaked in 2011. While working on the song Tricky commissioned one of his DJ's to make a remix of his version for a possible single release. He then added Bieber vocals to it. That was 2010, so the "Bieber duet remix version" is nothing new, it is a remix from 2010. My opinion though is that the remix version was not Tricky's idea. My understanding is that Estate wanted to release that song on MICHAEL album and they wanted it to be a single from that album, but didn't make the final cut. And the song and its remix were shelved. And now 3 years later someone leaked it.
 
OnirMJ said:
Estate gave Tricky the song (the original 1989 version) to produce it for the 2010 MICHAEL album. He was working on the song and submitted the song to the Estate (finished version that leaked few days ago). Meanwhile someone stole from his studio "work in progress" version that leaked in 2011. While working on the song Tricky commissioned one of his DJ's to make a remix of his version for a possible single release. He then added Bieber vocals to it. That was 2010, so the "Bieber duet remix version" is nothing new, it is a remix from 2010. My opinion though is that the remix version was not Tricky's idea. My understanding is that Estate wanted to release that song on MICHAEL album and they wanted it to be a single from that album, but didn't make the final cut. And the song and its remix were shelved. And now 3 years later someone leaked it.
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The Bieber song was cut in April 2012 judging by various things his team said.
 
Petrarose said:
Respect I read the above comment and it is clear to me. Where does it say that the Estate told Tricky to ask Justin to record new vocals. Now it seems to me that Tricky in the process of working on the song got creative and asked someone to do something with it. It does not mean the estate authorized Tricky to do that.
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It does not say that the Estate told Tricky to rework the track with Bieber, but from the comment by Max Methods you can also not conclude that this is not the case, as some people do now. Max Methods is not saying "Tricky decided on his own that he wanted to do something different with the track and gave it to me." It may be that that's the case, but my point was simply that the statement is not proof one way or the other.

I see 2 e-mails--one saying recording is unauthorized, and the other saying leak is unauthorized. I am not confused by those either. The estate did not say a "song" but "recording," so since I know what recording means I am not confused. However, if some want to be confused that is ok.
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The statement in and of itself might seem straightforward, but does not really clear up what happened. I think the meaning of 'recording' seemed a bit ambiguous as well, due to this phrasing: "this recording was not authorized and has been taken down," which again seems to emphasize that they are just concerned about the leak. Most importantly, I think you have to take everything surrounding it into account, such as Bieber tweeting about MJ during the leak, and Max Methods tweeting about being honoured to work on the track (suggesting he was asked to do so) and saying that it was unfortunate the record leaked "before it was ready" (implying that it was supposed to be released). Also, the statement was sent to some fans, but not even posted on the official MJonlineteam twitter page, while this 'duet' was trending for 2 days straight on Twitter, further leading to confusion about the Estate's involvement. Then yesterday we got the message on Twitter, in which they added that they were upset about the leak (again, not the recording) and we saw the longer reply to the e-mail by a fan, in which they only talk about the leak as a problem. Given that it is obvious that the question on everybody's mind is whether the Estate asked Bieber to do this or not, to me this comes across as them, for some reason, not wanting to give a direct answer.

I hope you see now why some of us find this confusing. Had the Estate immediately come out and said something like "we did not commission this remix and were, until today, not aware of its existence. There are no, and never were, any plans to release this version of the song" it would have been immediately clear what was the case. These new comments by Max Methods could imply that Tricky Stewart acted on his own, but as I said above, it is not definite proof in any way. I do not mind if people want to jump to that conclusion on the basis of this, but it does bother me a bit if others are being told off for doing the same thing (except reaching a different conclusion) or for simply having doubts.

I will never believe that Branca & co who knows the value of the little bit of music Michael left behind will commission Trickey to have Justine erase Michael's vocals and put his over it.
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Hopefully you are right. At the same time, I think people have every right to be sceptical given the previous releases.

Personally I think that Trickey was working on the song and thought he would have Biber do this becasue Biber is young and hot among the teens. Then, he probably held on to the Biber recording. He may have approached the estate about releasing it and they said no. Maybe he gave it to that other guy to listen to--the one that Qbee said suddenly began to tweet and promote the song. Like Randy with the e-mails, Trickey would not want to leak the thing himself, because the estate would know immediately who did it, so he could have given it to this other guy to listen to and this guy could have leaked it for him or own his own. Since Trickey is not coming out and calling out this guy for doing this & Bieber is not calling out any of the guys and saying he did not know this was going to come out, then it seems to me that they all knew that this leak would take place.
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Well fair enough, this is your opinion. But obviously we do not know for sure what happened and that was just the point I wanted to make.
 
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^Sure we do not know for sure, but based on the 2 emails I am not confused. I know what the word "recording" means when you are talking about artists creating music. So I understand you if you remain confused, but I am not in a state of confusion. I think people are right in being outraged about what Justin did or the producer who made Justin do it. I also see this leak as a deliberate thing done for harm and not to promote the ability of Justin or Michael. Maybe the best thing is to get these producers, interview them, and hear what they have to say, since it seems this is going to be a lasting debate.
 
Petrarose said:
^Sure we do not know for sure, but based on the 2 emails I am not confused. I know what the word "recording" means when you are talking about artists creating music. So I understand you if you remain confused, but I am not in a state of confusion. I think people are right in being outraged about what Justin did or the producer who made Justin do it. I also see this leak as a deliberate thing done for harm and not to promote the ability of Justin or Michael. Maybe the best thing is to get these producers, interview them, and hear what they have to say, since it seems this is going to be a lasting debate.
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Of course I also know what the word recording means, but I do not see how you can ignore all the other things surrounding it that I outlined and just focus on that one word. I am also not sure on the basis of what you think this was leaked with the deliberate intention to do harm. But I am fine with agreeing to disagree, no problem.

One thing I do totally agree with is that it would be good to hear more from everybody involved, primarily Tricky Stewart now.
 
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