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Verdict Reached: AEG NOT Liable - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

Final verdict

  • AEG liable

    Votes: 78 48.4%

  • AEG not liable

    Votes: 83 51.6%
  • Total voters
    161
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I am glad they answered yes to the first question if they hired Murray. I believed they did after all of this. I don't want anymore trials.
 
Neverland Valley Princess said:
Some guy on CNN says he spoke to a Jackson family member (pre-verdict) who suggested that if they lost they would appeal
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Why would they appeal? From the beginning the J family said they just wanted to find out what really happened. (You know, Murray was just the fall guy) If after 5 months of testimony that invaded Michael's privacy and sometimes his dignity,they still don't know what happened, how will another trial help them?
 
Vici said:
Just a question...

I get Murray was hired as Michaels regular doctor but Murray must have seen Michael detoriating as well. He knew AEG were on him (meeting at the house indicated they were alarmed of what was going on with Michael), AEG talked with him and Dileo asked him to take a blood test on Michael. He knew what he was doing.

He continued to give MJ propofol and there are no evidence he stopped with that. Murray did not pull out and refer Michael to a specialist. Isnt that what a doctor being there for general care should have been able to do in any case??? To take care of the patient?
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Yes. but that's not what question 2 was about. question 2 was about finding out whether Murray was qualified to take on the task of providing general health care. he was more than qualified considering that he's a trained cardiologist. this also fit well into the negligent hiring. had he not been qualified then one would have concluded that AEG negligently hire him.
 
Does this mean Randy Jackson has got to get a job lol.
 
Vici said:
Just a question...

I get Murray was hired as Michaels regular doctor but Murray must have seen Michael detoriating as well. He knew AEG were on him (meeting at the house indicated they were alarmed of what was going on with Michael), AEG talked with him and Dileo asked him to take a blood test on Michael. He knew what he was doing.

He continued to give MJ propofol and there are no evidence he stopped with that. Murray did not pull out and refer Michael to a specialist. Isnt that what a doctor being there for general care should have been able to do in any case??? To take care of the patient?
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yes even a general medical doctor would refer their patient to someone else with more knowledge.murray knew what he was doing to michael.he saw mj die for each day and yet he did nothing to help him. even though murrayy wasnt hired to pump propofol into mjs system, as a general doctor he saw michael detoriate and had to get him help. he didnt. so how was he a competent and fit doctor, even as a general doctor in this context???? please someone explains this to me.

this is what happenes when you get $150,000/month. murray cared more about his paycheck than his patient.
 
Vici said:
Just a question...

I get Murray was hired as Michaels regular doctor but Murray must have seen Michael detoriating as well. He knew AEG were on him (meeting at the house indicated they were alarmed of what was going on with Michael), AEG talked with him and Dileo asked him to take a blood test on Michael. He knew what he was doing.

He continued to give MJ propofol and there are no evidence he stopped with that. Murray did not pull out and refer Michael to a specialist. Isnt that what a doctor being there for general care should have been able to do in any case??? To take care of the patient?
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Yes he did and Murray should have gotting Michael the care that he need Murray couldn't do it and he should have never took that risk with Michael's life so unfair.( Do No Harm)
 
FINALLY, that's over. Gloomy night in the Jackson household, for sure. i hope that now Michael can finally rest in peace (not likely though. Executors next?)
 
StellaJackson said:
You have no way of knowing the suicide attempt was connected to the trial. Michael adored his mother and would be ashamed of the abuse she gets.
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Common sense would tell anyone dragging Paris's beloved fathers name through the mug for 5 months and the Granny napping last summer had to have played an enormous role in the child's SUICIDE attempt. It always cracks me up how the 86 year old MOTHER card is played (along with) "HOW MUCH MJ loved her" to shut down calling out the GREED and selfishness of the Jackson family. We know he loved her but her actions over the past 4 years have caused me to question how much she loved HIM!
 
All 12 jurors voted AEG hired Murray
10 out of 12 jurors said Murray was competent/fit (two jurors said he was incompetent)
 
I think AEG were not looking at Murray as the problem. They were maybe thinking maybe about Klein and anyone else.
 
CrazyVegasMJ said:
It was basically the wording of question #2.
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You called it.



4:34PM PDT: The jury foreman just explained the logic behind the verdict. They felt Murray was competent to do the job for which he was hired -- to be a good general practitioner. Jurors felt Murray had gone to a good school and was qualified. The juror added, "That doesn't mean we felt he was ethical. Had that question been in there, it could have been a different outcome"
 
I never doubt katherines love for Michael, but when large sums of money is in the middle questionable actions are easy to make.. She knows she's old, she knows she does not need billions of dollars to spend within the short time she has left.. But when the money is flashing, and family members are living off of MJ's money for decades.. The pressure is all on her to bring in that money now.

As stupid as it is, there are multiple Jacksons living off of Michaels money and what Katherine got from Michael.. Even when Joseph wanted money from Michael he's been known to give the money to Katherine and have her manage it..

I'm not excusing Katherins choices or actions, but.... I NEVER doubt that she loves Michael.
 
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To ask a question for the post I posted above lol. Who words the questions on the verdict form?
Is it solely the judge?
 
Thrill said:
yes even a general medical doctor would refer their patient to someone else with more knowledge.murray knew what he was doing to michael.he saw mj die for each day and yet he did nothing to help him. even though murrayy wasnt hired to pump propofol into mjs system, as a general doctor he saw michael detoriate and had to get him help. he didnt. so how was he a competent and fit doctor, even as a general doctor in this context???? please someone explains this to me.

this is what happenes when you get $150,000/month. murray cared more about his paycheck than his patient.
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You hit it right on the head will we every get a answer to this question No we will not.

In the bold part.
 
providing general care includes to know when you have to refer a patient to a specialist.doesnt it???
 
^ Yes, that's what i wd have thought. Being able to recognise when a condition is serious enough to require more specialist intervention is one of the duties of a gp.

passy001 said:
Yes. but that's not what question 2 was about. question 2 was about finding out whether Murray was qualified to take on the task of providing general health care. he was more than qualified considering that he's a trained cardiologist.
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That's your interpretation of 'was murray competent to perform general health care' which i imagine is what the jurors went for, seeing there was unanimity. Mj was declining for the 2 months that murray was hired as his doctor - everybody testified to that including murray himself, and losing weight at a time when he needed to building up his weight for the tour - i wd have thought that would have clearly made him an incompetent 'general healthcare' doc. And no, there is nothing in the jury instructions to say they had to determine competentce at point of hiring ie 1 may.

this also fit well into the negligent hiring. had he not been qualified then one would have concluded that AEG negligently hire him.
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The negligent part was related to whether aeg knew or shd have known murray was incompetent and cause harm, nothing to do with whether he was licensed or not to be a cardiologist.

In a way i think it's moot, the real sticking point wd be in q 3, the foreseeability aspect of knowing murray was going to kill mj - i'm not sure how the jury cd have got through that one with those jury instructions.

Shame aeg felt they had to spend so much of the trial dragging mj and trying to put the blame for mj's death all on him rather than murray. They should have had more confidence in their own case.
 
Vici said:
Just a question...

I get Murray was hired as Michaels regular doctor but Murray must have seen Michael detoriating as well. He knew AEG were on him (meeting at the house indicated they were alarmed of what was going on with Michael), AEG talked with him and Dileo asked him to take a blood test on Michael. He knew what he was doing.

He continued to give MJ propofol and there are no evidence he stopped with that. Murray did not pull out and refer Michael to a specialist. Isnt that what a doctor being there for general care should have been able to do in any case??? To take care of the patient?
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The question is specific, was he fit for the job he was hired to do? Yes he was fit. He had his licenses, training, experience. Think of any type of job where you need credentials to get the job and you have the credentials. Then you are fit. However, while doing the job you can do something wrong like steal, make mistakes (which docs do all the time in surgery), you are still fit for the job you were hired to do. Remember this is not a criminal case against Muarry. Muarry unfitness relates to giving prof to Michael and killing him. He was unfit for giving Prof and knowing its effects. He was unfit to function as a sleep expert.
 
providing general care includes to know when you have to refer a patient to a specialist.doesnt it???
 
If what the Jacksons were doing had anything to do with Justice or what was best for Michael, they would have sued Conrad Murray. Infact it is very strange that the doctor killed Michael and was found guilty of it. Yet the victims family chose to not go after him, but sued somebody else for $2 billion. That is very strange and unusual behavior for the victims family. They were supposed to sue Murray (The Doctor) in any way they could. Not for the money but to keep focus on him and make sure he was held accountable in every way. Any judgement against Murray would have been about money he makes in the future going to the victims family and him having to live with another constant reminder of what he did to (The Victim) Michael Jackson.
 
marebear said:
I hope they won't appeal this. Katherine needs to stop this now.
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Katherine will spend her remaining years on earth in whichever way she can to get $$, if the way involves selling out Michael and/or his kids or his estate so be it, even if it means being involved in some shady lawsuit/deal/kidnapping until she takes her last breath, her kids who are all AARP members themselves will not allow her otherwise.
 
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Vici said:
Tom Meserau live now:

"I would never dream of they would find Murray competent and fit".

http://wildabouttrial.com/videos/court-discussion-with-beth-karas-4.html
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Well you know what sucks? Spent all this money brought up a bunch of shit the world didn't need to know now we are going to have to listen to Murray soon. Should have sued Murray for restitution that would have made the most sense. Dumb ass Kj went for the home run against AEG. **** the Jackson family except of course the j3.
 
Bonnie Blue said:
That's your interpretation of 'was murray competent to perform general health care' which i imagine is what the jurors went for, seeing there was unanimity. Mj was declining for the 2 months that murray was hired as his doctor - everybody testified to that including murray himself, and losing weight at a time when he needed to building up his weight for the tour - i wd have thought that would have clearly made him an incompetent 'general healthcare' doc. And no, there is nothing in the jury instructions to say they had to determine competentce at point of hiring ie 1 may.


The negligent part was related to whether aeg knew or shd have known murray was incompetent and cause harm, nothing to do with whether he was licensed or not to be a cardiologist.

In a way i think it's moot, the real sticking point wd be in q 3, the foreseeability aspect of knowing murray was going to kill mj - i'm not sure how the jury cd have got through that one with those jury instructions.

Shame aeg felt they had to spend so much of the trial dragging mj and trying to put the blame for mj's death all on him rather than murray. They should have had more confidence in their own case.
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Murray was well qualified to provide general health care. that's a fact. it's not a question of interpretation.
this is also important to q3, because you can't hire someone negligently if he's not unfit,
 
Vici said:
You called it.



4:34PM PDT: The jury foreman just explained the logic behind the verdict. They felt Murray was competent to do the job for which he was hired -- to be a good general practitioner. Jurors felt Murray had gone to a good school and was qualified. The juror added, "That doesn't mean we felt he was ethical. Had that question been in there, it could have been a different outcome"
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Exactly^^. I think everyone should read this, because some are forgetting or do not understand what the questions are asking. Panish connected that question to being hired for what Muarry did in that bedroom and Putnam connected it to what was written in the agreement. Once the jury asked for those documents people should know they were going for facts to answer those questions. That is why you cannot just take little pieces of the contact and run with it, but read the whole thing!


It seems they used the oral contract for question 1.

Now the bad news: AEG is going to ask Katherine to pay for some of their costs. Guess who is going to be paying here? Yes Michael. Expect to see some interesting payments in the estate accounting. Expect information about Michael to be leaked like how the e-mails were leaked.
 
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