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Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Let us however not forget that MJ DID approve the remixes in the past, and he would most certainly approve them today. The only difference with the past is that those remixes are presented to the public differently, nevertheless in a manner that would not kill the hype. So, it would be ironic that the hype gets killed by the fans themselves only because they don't liek the remixes. It's fine not to like them, but instead of being vocal not liking them, give them a chance to be released as hits and let them hit the new public.

We need unity in this, not bickering and blindly criticizing those producers as if they were unaware of what they are doing. After the bad Cascio episode, I don't think they'll ever make a mistake to try to play tricks on us.
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I don't think saying we do not like a song kills the hype. I pretty much like most other things so far, so it does not kill the hype to me.
I also do not think saying we do not like their remix is "blindly criticizing those producers". I'm talking about something I heard, so there is nothing "blind" about it.

But yeah, I guess they did this for the general public and for modern radio. I'm curious to see whether they will like it more than I do.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
When I see some fans' posts, I sometimes wonder how many MJ's songs they like in total. Two? Three?

I mean, you gotta be kidding me when some say they don't like an MJ song. To me it is unconceivable. Maybe, it's soemthing wrong with me?

Anyway, as far as I am concerned:

-the mix MJ&JT LNFSG is great!
-Chicago is outstanding
-Loving You (I heard only a snippet) sounds wonderful
-APWNN (I heard only a bumper) sounds incredible, it reminds me of Leave Me Alone rhythm.

As many said, if you don't like the fresher versions, well listen to the demos, problem solved. But do not forget one thing MJ is NOT HERE, we have no choice but let those guys do what they think MJ would love. MJ worked with them and they certainly do it with a huge amount of respect and love for MJ. Don't kill their love for MJ and what they have been trying to do to bring MJ back musicallywise for the generations who don't know MJ very well.

As I said earlier, MJ had such a brilliant career that he has nothing to prove any more and nothing will overshadow it. They could release MJ's burp and it would become a hit, but the burp wouldn't overshadow MJ's classic masterpieces he released when he was alive.


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I normally agree with you Bumper, I think we're similar age & have a similar MJ fan HIStory. But I don't agree with this :)

Up until HIStory I thought MJ was the only artist capable of making perfect albums having made. Thriller, Bad & Dangerous. Even though I wasn't a massive OTW fan I thought of that more of his child-man transition album that had perfect moments.

When HIStory came along, even though I adore it, I thought it was the first time where Mike showed that he wasn't infallible as there was one or two songs I didn't adore, but still liked. Invincible really proved to me that he was incapable of making a bad song (but I have my theories about that).


Anyway, my point is, having been a fan since Don't Stop Til You Get Enough came out (showing my age :)), nothing annoys me more that anyone making out that I'm less of a fan or a bad fan if I don't like a song or two.

Especially in this circumstance where it can be seen as a compliment to MJ. i.e. I don't like a track and I can see why Michael left this off an album, he sure knew how to pick 'em.

I haven't heard the new tracks yet (save for Chicago once) so I'll wait until I have played my CD a few times but I expect some I will love, others like and one or two I won't get.

But that's music, it's all objective. There's people who love 'Don't Walk Away', where as I think it's the worst song ever to make an MJ album, where as I read yesterday Elusive didn't like '2 Bad', where as it's in my Top 10 MJ. But that's okay :), music is about bringing people together and that doesn't necessarily mean all agreeing, God forbid - what a boring world it would be, but it does mean being respectful, understanding each others' opinions and having an interesting & fun discussion.

Imagine if this wasn't about Michael Jackson tracks but, I don't know, say peas?

"Do you like peas?"
"Yeah, I like peas"
"What about mushy peas?"
"No, I don't care for them"
"WHAT?!?! You call yourself a pea fan? How dare you? How can you not like mushy peas! I just don't get it. Get out my pea forum".

Well....you get the idea with that.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

respect77 said:
I don't think saying we do not like a song kills the hype. I pretty much like most other things so far, so it does not kill the hype to me.
I also do not think saying we do not like their remix is "blindly criticizing those producers". I'm talking about something I heard, so there is nothing "blind" about it.

But yeah, I guess they did this for the general public and for modern radio. I'm curious to see whether they will like it more than I do.
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I have to disagree with your statement. You know, smile is contagious. If you smile, people around you will feel better and probably smile too. If you yawn, people around you will probably yawn too. If you spread sadness or depression, it will affect people too. And the hype is the same, it is contagious. But the hype cannot be spread if people are repeating "I don't like that". Now, if a random Joe says that, i wouldn't care. But what makes me sad actually is to see MJ fans saying not liking an MJ song. I mean, ok, of course everyone has that right, but then, with such an approach of the newly releasd songs, let's not expect any kind of hype.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Tony R said:
Imagine if this wasn't about Michael Jackson tracks but, I don't know, say peas?

"Do you like peas?"
"Yeah, I like peas"
"What about mushy peas?"
"No, I don't care for them"
"WHAT?!?! You call yourself a pea fan? How dare you? How can you not like mushy peas! I just don't get it. Get out my pea forum".

Well....you get the idea, with that.
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Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Tony R said:
I normally agree with you Bumper, I think we're similar age & have a similar MJ fan HIStory. But I don't agree with this :)

Up until HIStory I thought MJ was the only artist capable of making perfect albums having made. Thriller, Bad & Dangerous. Even though I wasn't a massive OTW fan I thought of that more of his child-man transition album that had perfect moments.

When HIStory came along, even though I adore it, I thought it was the first time where Mike showed that he wasn't infallible as there was one or two songs I didn't adore, but still liked. Invincible really proved to me that he was incapable of making a bad song (but I have my theories about that).


Anyway, my point is, having been a fan since Don't Stop Til You Get Enough came out (showing my age :)), nothing annoys me more that anyone making out that I'm less of a fan or a bad fan if I don't like a song or two.

Especially in this circumstance where it can be seen as a compliment to MJ. i.e. I don't like a track and I can see why Michael left this off an album, he sure knew how to pick 'em.

I haven't heard the new tracks yet (save for Chicago once) so I'll wait until I have played my CD a few times but I expect some I will love, others like and one or two I won't get.

But that's music, it's all objective. There's people who love 'Don't Walk Away', where as I think it's the worst song ever to make an MJ album, where as I read yesterday Elusive didn't like '2 Bad', where as it's in my Top 10 MJ. But that's okay :), music is about bringing people together and that doesn't necessarily mean all agreeing, God forbid - what a boring world it would be, but it does mean being respectful, understanding each others' opinions and having an interesting & fun discussion.

Imagine if this wasn't about Michael Jackson tracks but, I don't know, say peas?

"Do you like peas?"
"Yeah, I like peas"
"What about mushy peas?"
"No, I don't care for them"
"WHAT?!?! You call yourself a pea fan? How dare you? How can you not like mushy peas! I just don't get it. Get out my pea forum".

Well....you get the idea with that.
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I see your point, but I think I made it clearer in my second long post.

As far as the 90s are concerned I also have my theory regarding MJ's albums. I think we agree.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

The STTR clip on ellen sounds like the 1 we've had for years.

And as for APWNN is its not what i expected but its funky :D ME LIKES!!!!
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I have to disagree with your statement. You know, smile is contagious. If you smile, people around you will feel better and probably smile too. If you yawn, people around you will probably yawn too. If you spread sadness or depression, it will affect people too. And the hype is the same, it is contagious. But the hype cannot be spread if people are repeating "I don't like that". Now, if a random Joe says that, i wouldn't care. But what makes me sad actually is to see MJ fans saying not liking an MJ song. I mean, ok, of course everyone has that right, but then, with such an approach of the newly releasd songs, let's not expect any kind of hype.
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Well, I'm not going around on random general forums to say how I don't like this song. Here we are among themselves. If there are non-fans lurking, I said already that I like most songs so far and it's worth buying the album. Even with APWNN, if you do not like this mix and prefer something closer to the original America song, the demo will give you that.

I don't think there's any fan base where each and every fan loves each and every song of an album. Why should we pretend that?

But what makes me sad actually is to see MJ fans saying not liking an MJ song.
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The thing that is being criticized here has not much to do with Michael Jackson - it's the new production that we criticize, not "a MJ song".
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

This discussion about how we should not criticize it kind of reminds me of this. LOL:

 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Although i find APWNN pretty refreshing and groovy, i new that the songs i would look forward to the least would be this and BG, neither of them (demos) got 5 listens on my ipod.
Just Weren't a fan of them, im just treating this as a funky remix which is alright :)
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

After hearing what they can do to these demos by contemporizing them - do you feel that they could of saved some of the demos from BAD25 like I'm so blue or Al Capone? Just think what they would sound like with a touch of Timberland on them!!?
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

well we can't expect everyone to like every song. some will love it some hate it - We all have different tastes. but even Michael said you cant tell if you like a song unless you listen to it 3 or more times. WHy? becuase in the beginning some sounds may seem foriegn to you . so please at least do the before you Judge. No one has to like it ..... but as in all art beauty is in the eye and ears of the beholder. These producers love and respect MJ so they tried their best . They cant be Michael. you have the original .. so love on that one. :wub:

I think everyone should STOP insulting each other - that is the main problem.. at least move on from that .
No one said you shouldnt' criticize... Its not always what you say but how you say it. So please stop the arguing over it. yes you ..
 
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Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

I NEVER said we should not criticize!

I said we should not criticize it the way we are doing it. Criticism has to be constructive and not bickering-like, bashing-like or repetitive statements such as "I don't like it". Why sound like a broken record?
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Just love how on APWNN the producers were also able to dig out Windows 95 to create a midi tune for the background and combine it with a repetitive beat from a Britney Spears type track.

Just beautiful.

You waited your whole life to work with MJ and THAT is the finished product? Lol.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I NEVER said we should not criticize!

I said we should not criticize it the way we are doing it. Criticism has to be constructive and not bickering-like, bashing-like or repetitive statements such as "I don't like it". Why sound like a broken record?
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So how many times are we allowed to say we do not like it and how many times are we allowed to say we love it?
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

respect77 said:
So how many times are we allowed to say we do not like it and how many times are we allowed to say we love it?
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As many as you want, but then it isn't criticism any more, it is a broken record.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

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Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
As many as you want, but then it isn't criticism any more, it is a broken record.
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The song came out only 3-4 hours ago. People of course will state their opinion, maybe more than one time in the course of an active discussion they will say "I do not like it" or "I like it". I didn't know you are only allowed to state your opinion more than one times if it's a positive opinion.

This is a fresh song, of course it's going to be discussed with several statements made both pro and contra. It's not "a broken record", just because you do not agree with an opinion. It's a broken record if people go on and on and on about the same thing for days. This discussion is not as the song is still very fresh.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

A Place With No Name sounds incredible, loving the new upbeat production by Stargate. Perfect Mix for the 2014 generation IMO.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

respect77 said:
The song came out only 3-4 hours ago. People of course will state their opinion, maybe more than one time in the course of an active discussion they will say "I do not like it" or "I like it". I didn't know you are only allowed to state your opinion more than one times if it's a positive opinion.

This is a fresh song, of course it's going to be discussed with several statements made both pro and contra. It's not "a broken record", just because you do not agree with an opinion. It's a broken record if people go on and on and on about the same thing for days.
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You are not reading me man. I never said you can't state and repeat your statements. Where did I say that? I just pointed out the difference between constructive criticism and unnecessary repetition of a statement. If some people want to do it, as far as i am concerend fine. But I also said, don't expect any kind of hype with such an approach. And if people don't like the new releases, well that's fine too. But people can't have it both ways, not liking the rleleases and having the hype.

All in all what I am saying is, we have a rleease containing reworked versions and demo versions. We were not supposed to hear any of them, yet we have them available. So, I don't actually understand what's the deal? I mean, if people don't like a reworked version, what should have been done instead? I can't read anywhere a constructive criticism.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Loving You is my favorite track from the new album, which was to be expected as BAD has always been my favorite Recording era by Michael. All the tracks have something about them though, definitely.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

I think its very innovative production. I like it .. i dont expect everyone to feel the same. I think it will do very well. :)
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

so far for me..

lnfsg solo - 3/5
lnfsg duet 4/5
chicago 3.5/5
loving you 3/5
apwnn 1/5

Album as a whole - 3/5
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
You are not reading me man. I never said you can't state and repeat your statements. Where did I say that? I just pointed out the difference between constructive criticism and unnecessary repetition of a statement. If some people want to do it, as far as i am concerend fine. But I also said, don't expect any kind of hype with such an approach. And if people don't like the new releases, well that's fine too. But people can't have it both ways, not liking the rleleases and having the hype.

All in all what I am saying is, we have a rleease containing reworked versions and demo versions. We were not supposed to hear any of them, yet we have them available..
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Now, you act like saying I do not like this one song is equal to criticizing and even ruining the hype for the whole project. When in fact I don't know how many times I stated already that generally I like the album so far and I like the project and I support it. It really does feel like "The Beygency" in that video I posted on the previous page...

So, I don't actually understand what's the deal? I mean, if people don't like a reworked version, what should have been done instead? I can't read anywhere a constructive criticism
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I'm not a producer, I cannot tell you how exactly they should have remixed the song. But that does not mean I cannot tell if I like or do not like a remix. So far I'm a lot more impressed with Timbaland's and even John McClain's work on this album, maybe Timbaland should have done this one too.
 
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qbee said:
I think its very innovative production. I like it .. i dont expect everyone to feel the same. I think it will do very well. :)
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I agree. I love the new production.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Sorry, what's innovative about the production?
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

respect77 said:
Now, you act like saying I do not like this one song is equal to criticizing and even ruining the hype for the whole project. When in fact I don't know how many times I stated already that generally I like the album so far and I like the project and I support it. It really does feel like "The Beygency" in that video I posted on the previous page...



I'm not a producer, I cannot tell you how exactly they should have remixed the song. But that does not mean I cannot tell if I like or do not like a remix. So far I'm a lot more impressed with Timbaland's and even John McClain's work on this album, maybe Timbaland should have done this one too.
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Man, you are making me laugh for real. No offense. I have not aimed any of my posts at you. I was speaking in general. You probably expressed your opinion about one song, someone else about another, etc. I wasn't aiming at your posts at all, nor have I been trying to single you out. I included all of us in my posts. No worries man lol.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

So far everything is a home run for me. Im
very grateful that we get anything at all ... And for it to be this good blows my mind. Every day is like being a kid at Christmas at the mo!
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

The new version of A Place With No Name just sounds like a b rated remix to me. The simplicity of the original is what did it for me. Sure, his amazing vocals are still there, but what's with that cheap music???

It may grow on me but it isn't even half the song that that leaked version is.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

arnspecs said:
So far everything is a home run for me. Im
very grateful that we get anything at all ... And for it to be this good blows my mind. Every day is like being a kid at Christmas at the mo!
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I know, right? We're so lucky to be getting these tracks before the album.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

barok232 said:
respect77 said:
The song came out only 3-4 hours ago. People of course will state their opinion, maybe more than one time in the course of an active discussion they will say "I do not like it" or "I like it". I didn't know you are only allowed to state your opinion more than one times if it's a positive opinion./QUOTE]

This relies upon one's ethics, it's not a restraining rule. An example: if somebody knows his opinion might upset the others or sees it happening, then he might offer his arguments to support his opinion and then stop at some point. Or else it seems as a vicious motive to go on and on - >not ethical.

To answer the bold part, there could easily be a thread where everybody would state in their posts their hatred against a song again and again, and all would be fine since the majority would agree (PERSONAL NOTE: I don't think this serves the good use of a forum and try not to do that. By "fine" I mean that there would be no fights!). Then the few posters claiming they love it should not "irritate" the lot by being repetitive, a broken record as Bumper said. A post or two would suffice for someone to bring all his arguements to light.
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Like I said in my previous post: this is a fresh song and thus a fresh discussion, so nothing really is a "broken record" in it yet.
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