Michael Jackson To Unleash World Premiere Experience At Billboard Music Awards

[WhoIsIt89]

Didn't read all your comments - everybody can have a opinion about this event.

But what i thought the whole day....when the curtain got off und you saw the hologram/MJ sitting in his throne: that was such a powerful statement - FOREVER THE KING, BABY

For anyone who doesn't know, this is what they based that image on, this photo shoot. I just noticed the n64 machine in the back..Michael was a such a gamer. :lol:

 

[MJJ_4 All Time]

Didn't read all your comments - everybody can have a opinion about this event.

But what i thought the whole day....when the curtain got off und you saw the hologram/MJ sitting in his throne: that was such a powerful statement - FOREVER THE KING, BABY

I totally agree :yes: "Forever The King" :bow: I thought that too !!!

 

[anilsai]

STTR is #311 back Yesterday...Now Its #39 in us ..Climbing Up the Charts Via iTUNES

 

[mthalen]

The only thing thats stopping me believing this, is the quality of the body textures/shadows and way the clothing moves is REALLY advanced, where as the face is not, theres no balance there. Whatever is dancing was present with the backing dancers/gold set at the same time.

Faces are the hardest part. Just look at any NBA 2K14 video on youtube

 

[WhoIsIt89]

You look at any NBA 2k14 video, you also realize that the jerseys is all digital. It still doesn't look quite real, like the clothing on this guy.

 

[bluesky]

don't know if it's already posted but the video is great on this site

LIVE PERFORMANCE
WATCH MICHAEL JACKSON HOLOGRAM'S FULL PERFORMANCE AT BILLBOARD MUSIC AWARDS

The King of Pop showed up at the BBMAs via hologram to perform "Slave to the Rhythm"


Hilary Hughes / May 19, 2014
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UPDATE: The Billboard Music Awards resurrected Michael Jackson on Sunday night for a special performance of the Xscape track "Slave to the Rhythm," made possible through the power of holograms. You can watch the entire performance above.
Jackson Family lawyer John Branca said the costly hologram was in the works since late 2013. He also toldThe Hollywood Reporter (presumably with a straight face?) that, "It's so important to experience Michael Jackson in a live setting."

MORE: Listen to Every Song on Michael Jackson's 'Xscape' Album Now!

Original Story: Despite the lawsuit snafu that's cropped up between hologram magicians (or something), it looks like the Billboard Music Awards will be going off without a hitch this evening, so far--and they'll include a very special number involving a holographic Michael Jackson.
"Slave to The Rhythm will be one of the facets of the BBMAs tonight in Las Vegas, but this performance, chock full of technology that's reportedly "so spectacular and groundbreaking," was meant to be a surprise for viewers. The BBMAs producers were hoping to keep this a secret until showtime, but news of the performance leaked when two different hologram companies filed a lawsuit in hopes of blocking Hologram MJ last week. (One of the parties involved, Hologram USA Inc., was working with a patent from Digital Domain, which created the infamous Tupac Shakur hologram previously spotted at Coachella in 2012.) They failed to convince the judge that the BBMAs were in the wrong, so the Gloved One will appear as planned in all his holographic glory.


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Paul J. Fumero
Very old (1600) tricks combined with modern computer graphics. Impressive though. MJ was well digitized and I could see the flatness of the images. Then it was combined with motion capture from a real actor/dancer and real dancers. Not really a hologram but a projection tech. Good to see him again though. This will get better and that is why the law suits are flying all over the place.
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[ChrisC]

You know I really am coming round to it. Now I've got over the initial shock.

I think it's an impersonator dancing and the face was dealt with in post-production.

 

[mthalen]

Either it's an impersonator dancing or it a motion capture of an impersonator dancing. Does it really matter? It's not like MJ is here to do the dancing himself.

I kinda like the performance: better than having a bunch of dancers on stage again and again and again?

 

[Allusio]

I have nothing against clothes, shoes, decorations or the stage! These things were perfect and the performance was nice as it was.

The only thing that is in need of improvement is VMJ&#8217;s face and sometimes the way he moves!
IMO the technology could effect on it. As someone mentioned here &#8211; there are a lot of details and the performance is very realistic !!!
IMHO that is the most important achievement for those who worked on the hologram, or whatever it is.
I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;ll be improvements and so far I&#8217;m happy to watch that innovative and difficult creation.
I AM impressed of its quality and determination of the Estate for MJ to be the KING !!!
We all have something to celebrate actually.
I hope the Estate will not give up and give it a chance to be perfect.

 

[myosotis]

Originally Posted by Pentum View Post

Will this feature include a "neg" feature as well, instead of just the "rep" function?

Yes it will.

Will 'negs' be given for every post someone disagrees with? I really hope not........

 

[OnirMJ]

Either it's an impersonator dancing or it a motion capture of an impersonator dancing. Does it really matter? It's not like MJ is here to do the dancing himself.

I kinda like the performance: better than having a bunch of dancers on stage again and again and again?

Or it is what they officially said. Virtual Michael, completely created with computer technology based on Michael's performances.

 

[GreenEyes]

You know I really am coming round to it. Now I've got over the initial shock.

I think it's an impersonator dancing and the face was dealt with in post-production.

If they had a better dancer and with the body proportions to match Michael's, this would have gone over a bit better.

Hopefully, they will learn from the criticism and improve this (if they want to try this again).

 

[GreenEyes]

I'm anxious to see if this will help with the U.S. sales of Xscape?

 

[myosotis]

Well I think this was the variation the argument was about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musion_Eyeliner and check this line:

"Because the system uses a thin film as its reflective surface, the screen is relatively low-cost and light-weight, and can cover a large area without seams (thus helping maintain the illusion); however, this lightness can make the screen vibrate due to atmospheric effects such as wind, when outdoors; or powerful sound systems, when indoors."

The "screen" was certainly shaking when the curtains opened, I bet there a so many little variations of the Peppers Ghost, like you said about natural phenomenon's, I think its a gray area with patents for this type of illlusion, but everything we saw, pointed to a variation of peppers.

Yes, it is 'PG' ....but they can use different types of screen and technical set up, and these technical variations seem to be license-able. It's like coca cola and pepsi and maybe even Dr Peppers......

 

[mthalen]

Or it is what they officially said. Virtual Michael, completely created with computer technology based on Michael's performances.

Ah, yes, that's also an option

 

[mjchris]

Please read ALL of this - before replying . So you know what you are addressing. Thanks.

the video is blocked. but who is 'reshet-noga ltd' ?

 

[KOPV]

Tupac hologram had Tupac's face but it too was done by an impersonator. That was nearly flawless, but partly what enhanced it was that it interacted with Snoop Dogg etc.

It's not E'Cas, he's even more stiff than this dancer, and he does most moves in the wrong direction, with the exception of the spin. This impersonator kicks with the right leg and poses in the right direction, he just the sidewalk in the wrong direction. A lot of people are slamming the impersonator for the moonwalk, but if you watch carefully, he shuffled faster at that point in sync with the fireworks going POWPOWPOW in the background.

The face was not meant to be viewed from up close. Audience probably can't tell or couldn't care less.

with film like this we never know the direction and which arm/leg kicks for 100% sure simply because the video per specific clipping can be flipped.. I like to know who it is, minor saying Im not saying i know it's e cas but there are a lot of things I've only seen him do and habits he has on stage that this guy did a lot...

 

[Birchey]

Or it is what they officially said. Virtual Michael, completely created with computer technology based on Michael's performances.

That aint no CGI body, thats real life clothing and flesh you seeing there. The detail in them is ridiculas and the shadows they form point to them being real. I don't buy the "Virtual Michael" one bit.

 

[Florin Daniel]

Whatever they are saying/pretending they present..... here is my point of view, as a CGI artist who is working as a character animator for over 20 years...

They used an impersonator! For me.. it looks like Navi. His body is much taller than Michael's and I kinda recognise his body.
Everything was filmed!
The only CG is the face and was (bad and shitty) tracked over the impersonator's face.
You can see the face is the only element that has glitches. Everything else is smooth, as it should be.

20 years ago I started working on a animated MJ caricature and I was intended to do an animated music video on one of his songs. I never finished the project.
One of the most important step for me was the facial expresions.

Here are some of the morph target I did back in that time. In total, they were 230 morph tatgets.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DxDh5orRw...lorin's+3D+Michael+Jackson+-+Blend+Shapes.jpg

 

[Chamife]

What about "You need to feel. You become the bass, you become the fanfare, you become the clarinet and the flute and the strings and the drums".

or:

"Consciousness expresses itself through creation. This world we live in is the dance of the Creator. Dancers come and go in the twinkling of an eye but the dance lives on. On many an occasion when I am dancing, I have felt touched by something sacred. In those moments, I felt my spirit soar and become one with everything that exists. I become the stars and the moon. I become the lover and the beloved. I become the victor and the vanquished. I become the master and the slave. I become the singer and the song. I become the knower and the known. I keep on dancing and then, it is the eternal dance of creation. The Creator and the creation merge into one wholeness of joy. I keep on dancing — until there is only ... the dance."

or:

"Moving body is an art. Dance is the true expression of emotions by body movements. It's a wonderful thing to be on the floor, but feel free yet inexplicably, literally in the higher realms and do what you want ... It is an escapism, a way to get away from everything and just move your body to let all tension and pain to come out."

or

"I pretty much just get in a room and I start to dance, and uh, I don't create the dance, the dance creates itself, really. You know, I'll do something and I'll look back... I'll look back on tape and I'll go, "Wow," I didn't realize I had done that. It came out of the drums. You become.... Dancing is about interpretation. You become.... You become the accompaniment of the music. So when you become the bass of Billie Jean, I couldn't help but do the step that I was doing when the song first starts, because, uh, that's what it told me to do. You know, if I turn around, spin, stop, move my legs to the side and then lift up the collar of my shirt, that's for that moment is an accompaniment."

That's why I was attracted to Michael Jackson from the beginning. His dancing. It was a joy to watch him dance and it was for the reasons above.
So is no one missing that expression of emotion when you see an impersonator or hologram or whatever 'dance ' to STTR? There's dance and dance.

I feel nothing watching that show, so I don't get the exitement. And yes, I know he's gone. Just expressing my feelings, like we all do on here.

 

[#MJforever57]

Not what I expected but It was a good performance after all, if it looked like this would have been even better
Got it from FB,:

Wow yes that is a good one lookes just like Michael. I like the part after Michael was done he sat back in the chair to cool.

 

[ivy]

and also blatantly lied to by being told that this would be made using "unseen footage" of Michael in the studio, unearthed by LA Reid...

that was never said by LA Reid, Estate or Billboard people. It was claimed by Robin Leach based on unnamed sources. So it's a lesson to not believe to unnamed sources. Similarly he claimed they worked 2+ years on it, however direct quotes from Billboard people makes it sound like 5-6 months tops.

Strange, surely you can't license that Illusion, its been used for hundreds of years? Maybe they ran a variation of the trick, whatever they used was 2D, and probably projected onto an angled piece of film/glass same as peppers ghost, also none of the people on stage were real, or interacted with anyone real, they just made it look that way. Dunno, very strange xD

Well I think this was the variation the argument was about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musion_Eyeliner and check this line:

"Because the system uses a thin film as its reflective surface, the screen is relatively low-cost and light-weight, and can cover a large area without seams (thus helping maintain the illusion); however, this lightness can make the screen vibrate due to atmospheric effects such as wind, when outdoors; or powerful sound systems, when indoors."

The "screen" was certainly shaking when the curtains opened, I bet there a so many little variations of the Peppers Ghost, like you said about natural phenomenon's, I think its a gray area with patents for this type of illlusion, but everything we saw, pointed to a variation of peppers.

Musion is exactly the same thing Alki David claiming ownership on.

his exact words are

"In 1862, John Pepper and Henry Dircks invented 'Pepper's Ghost,' an illusion technique, which, over the last 150 years, has appeared in movies, concerts, magic shows and amusement park rides," says the lawsuit. "Today a new incarnation of Pepper's Ghost exists -- Musion Eyeliner technology. Musion Eyeliner uses a patented system to project three-dimensional images virtually indistinguishable from real life bodies."

The people behind "virtual Michael" claimed it was different technology and nothing to do with that patent.

Many of us were probably expecting something like the Elvis hologram that Celine Dion performed with. Of course, that would be impossible because songs from Xscape would be out of the question.

Elvis wasn't a hologram. They cut Elvis from an actual performance and superimposed him next to Celine Dion. People in the place didn't see Elvis, only the people watching their TV's saw him.

this video shows that

 

[OnirMJ]

"that was never said by LA Reid, Estate or Billboard people. It was claimed by Robin Leach based on unnamed sources. So it's a lesson to not believe to unnamed sources."

EXACTLY!

 

[WhoIsIt89]

Where'd I say it was said by LA Reid? All I said was thats what we were told, and that it was supposedly unearthed by LA Reid. This Robin Leach person also claimed to have "sources" from the Estate. The Estate also never denied or disputed this article.

It's nobodies fault, not a fans at least, for assuming the article was on point, when no one ever came out to dispute it. Kill that.

 

[lom kit]

the body was real person. on the dance parts the face is rendered from live pictures, foto shoots and sometimes video from dangerous era. the transitions from one face motion to another is cgi. the jaw is cgi by someone singing. in the beginnig, when he is going down the stairs is the face totaly cgi. alot of the faces repeat.
or prablably the face was the whole time cgi.

dancing was hmmmm...... , stange moonwalk.

its alot of effort put to create this. i've only seen the 2pac hologr. maybe its not as good as others hologrms, but still, its not easy to recreate MJ's face. next time they should use better impressator, if there is one that can come close to michael's dancing.


this face is from the fotoshoot used for the WII single cover (black leather jacket

). can't find the original.

 

[Allusio]

That aint no CGI body, thats real life clothing and flesh you seeing there. The detail in them is ridiculas and the shadows they form point to them being real. I don't buy the "Virtual Michael" one bit.

So you don&#8217;t believe in "Virtual Michael" because it looks too real?

 

[KOPV]

I think the only disappointment for and people is when they read something along te lie I unused footage etc.. When I personally first heard about hologram I figured (I'm sure others did too) an impersonator would be used to some extent.. Than hearing that unused footage put a different picture in people's mind.. We all must e appreciative for this, the promotions they are doing is similar to what we wanted and much better than most expected... So smile!!!!

 

[jtabbott8]

My question is, what happened to all that motion sensor captured footage MJ had to do for the skeleton for the Ghosts short film. I thought for sure they would use movements from that, because you're actually getting Michael's moved transferred to digital information.

 

[Hess]

I enjoy Xscape and all the hype and promotion very much!!

All the exitement and joy is so great. - Some are a little negative, and they have all the right in the world to be so, but I for one will try to stay positive. If I do not like something I will just focus on all the other stuff that I do like. - And there are so many things I like these days!!! - 8 new versions, 8 demos and the JT duet. - I love them all. - I really don't like the DVD, it's crap IMO, but that's not a problem really, I just do not watch it !!

So easy to focus on all the great stuff ! :lol:

 

[ivy]

Where'd I say it was said by LA Reid? All I said was thats what we were told, and that it was supposedly unearthed by LA Reid. This Robin Leach person also claimed to have "sources" from the Estate. The Estate also never denied or disputed this article.

It's nobodies fault, not a fans at least, for assuming the article was on point, when no one ever came out to dispute it. Kill that.

Well you said we were "lied" and my point is that they can't lie to us if they aren't the source of the information. And when did you see Estate coming out to dispute any and all articles and/or every single detail of every article? For example some people say negative things about MJJC, it's staff and so on ebery day, just because we don't spend our time disputing it doesn't mean those stuff are true.