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Apparently Janet Is Not Invincible Either

Well, I was not only bored by her latest songs because of their lyrical poorness and same old topic sex - also the videos feedback and rock with u were pretty bad. :(
 
Datsymay said:
You got a good and valid point. However, where Madonna and Mariah excelled and Janet faltered were on the international scene. The statistics shows that Janet didn't do well overseas so the US market wasn't enoough to see her through. It is all politics. Who knows what the real problem is. I still think that for Janet, it's image, but who knows. we are all guessing.
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Oh yeah, her and her people screwed up bigtime by not going after the international market. Once they saw things were being stacked up against her here, they should've pulled a "Pink", and went hard after the international crowd. It's just all so weird wathcing all this go down because it's obvious she's surrounded by poor advisory.
 
mistermaxxx said:
it's been a wrap for Janet for quite some time. def jam and la reid didn't overbudget the project and they put out the album early in the year and gave her a chance to build on something but her days are numbered as a solo artist. more 3rd tier material and she is just going through the motions anyway. Janet needs to do a Leena Horne or songbook cover project that removes her from the same ole same sex talk which is played out for her.
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High five on this one, Max
 
Remyisme said:
I think you're right in some point, but well, imho, I think that she used to have fun light records in past too. At least since the Janet album. Actually I'd say that this album, was a light fun record that had a lot of sex in it, AND it was loved much more than what she does now. And I also think that she menaged to talk about important issues and have fun in the same time. Why can't she do this no more? I know I know she does what she wants, and that's fine, but people just miss the good old Janet, when she actually had something to say. Like back in TVR. It just seems that afterward she ran out of ideas, for an album.
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That's a good point, maybe she has run out of ideas. She has been doing the same kind of theme for her past four albums, but Janet has said many times that she writes about what's going on in her life at the moment. Some people can only write about deep or important issues when they are experience some kind of turmoil in their own lives and i'm guessing that Janet is one of those people.

serena williams said:
So what were you referring to then ?? mj has already TWO very mature albums History and Dangerous
If you talk about his behaviour on everyday , apparently that doesnt realy affect the matury of his music .

I dont know why the Jante' fans feel always the need to attak MJ when some criticize janet on the janet section . We are talking about janet , her music , her strategy ,why do you name michael in the same sentence ????do you think its a good strategy to prevent mj's fans to critisize janet ??? maybe because you have no arguments for janet and only janet .lol
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Yes, I was referring to MJ's (past) behavior, not his music but lmao@ You calling me a Janet fan. Obviously you haven't read my other posts because anyone who's read my posts can clearly tell that I'm not much of Janet fan and that I much prefer Michael over Janet, but just because i'm a bigger fan of Michael's doesn't mean I can't criticize. I just think it's hypocritical for a MJ fan to say that Janet needs to grow up, I mean Michael thought he was peter pan for the longest lol, so please.
 
She did not say she was not going to Europe for the tour she was explaining why she didn't promote Discipline in Europe as of yet.

Expect more 'fall from grace' Jackson type of articles, thats all I'm going to say.
 
Cinnamon234 said:
That's a good point, maybe she has run out of ideas. She has been doing the same kind of theme for her past four albums, but Janet has said many times that she writes about what's going on in her life at the moment. Some people can only write about deep or important issues when they are experience some kind of turmoil in their own lives and i'm guessing that Janet is one of those people.




Yes, I was referring to MJ's (past) behavior, not his music but lmao@ You calling me a Janet fan. Obviously you haven't read my other posts because anyone who's read my posts can clearly tell that I'm not much of Janet fan and that I much prefer Michael over Janet, but just because i'm a bigger fan of Michael's doesn't mean I can't criticize. I just think it's hypocritical for a MJ fan to say that Janet needs to grow up, I mean Michael thought he was peter pan for the longest lol, so please.
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Muchael does not show immaturity in his music though.
My take on it is that as long as Michael pays for the roof over his head and provides for his children he doesn't need to grow up at all, he can be as Peter pan as he likes. I think he is carrying on where he left off in that department.:yes:
I would rather he were Perter pan than falling put of bars or smoking himself to an early grave. Or particopating in sex orgies or racing small cars on the freeway at 160 miles per heour, which grown ups like to do. I don't see why MJ is criticised because he wants to be peter pan, anymore that celebs who want to race cars.
 
Cinnamon234 said:
That's a good point, maybe she has run out of ideas. She has been doing the same kind of theme for her past four albums, but Janet has said many times that she writes about what's going on in her life at the moment. Some people can only write about deep or important issues when they are experience some kind of turmoil in their own lives and i'm guessing that Janet is one of those people.
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Actually Janet wrote nothing on Discipline, which is her 1st album since Dream Street with no input by her. It is also the 1st album since then that doesn't feature Jam & Lewis
 
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I mean Michael thought he was peter pan for the longest lol, so please.
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was that while he was drinking his vodka and watching pimp up hos down. lol image is image it aint reality lol

janet needs to change track and go back to good pop/dance songs and cut the obsession with sex
 
elusive moonwalker said:
was that while he was drinking his vodka and watching pimp up hos down. lol image is image it aint reality lol

janet needs to change track and go back to good pop/dance songs and cut the obsession with sex
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My point is Elusive, that he should have the right to do what he damn well pleases in the privacy of his own back yard provided he is paying his own way. just like every tom Dick and harry. if he wants to fly across the lawn with a pipe in his mouth and vodka on his hand, that is his right to do, what give us the right to say he can't.
 
Datsymay said:
My point is Elusive, that he should have the right to do what he damn well pleases in the privacy of his own back yard provided he is paying his own way. just like every tom Dick and harry. if he wants to fly across the lawn with a pipe in his mouth and vodka on his hand, that is his right to do, what give us the right to say he can't.
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probably the same right you're giving yourself to say what Janet should and shouldn't do for her livelihood.
 
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shipoffools said:
Janet needs to grow the hell up, and put out some mature music. Singing about sex all the time, and acting and dressing like a teenager is NOT mature. I'm not surprised that everyone is abandoning her, "Discipline" was a piss poor album and definitely not a return to form. She's 42, she needs to act her age.

Janet's last good album was The Velvet Rope, IMO.
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So, 42 year olds don't have sex, you're saying?

So...it's better for a 19 or 20 year old like Rihanna to be singing about sex?

Mmmmkay, already.

When you're young, you think you know about love and sex, and when you're older, you actually do. Unless you're the 40 year old virgin.

And by the way, what does a 42 year old need to act like? Just curious? And what should she be wearing? Should she wear a potato sac? Or should she wear a long grandma skirt and some wooden shoes with a butter churn in her hand?

42 means MATURE, not old and senile. Far from it.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
was that while he was drinking his vodka and watching pimp up hos down. lol image is image it aint reality lol

janet needs to change track and go back to good pop/dance songs and cut the obsession with sex
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LOL whatever. I know Michael is not like that all the time and has a certain image he likes to portray but the whole "Peter Pan" persona is part of him or it used to be at least.

As for Janet, "Discipline" had plenty of good pop/dance songs. People just don't want to give her a chance.
 
A person is ((NOT)) INVINCIBLE when something bad FINISHES them..


Neither of them are close to 'finished'.. Nothing bad that has happen tore them apart SO...

At this point I think it's safe they are still INVINCIBLE...



If you're on top and stay on top, that's one thing.. That shows you got what it takes to take on all comers.. That is A Victory

BUT

Each time you get knocked down, you get A VICTORY each time you stand back up..
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
was that while he was drinking his vodka and watching pimp up hos down. lol image is image it aint reality lol

janet needs to change track and go back to good pop/dance songs and cut the obsession with sex
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Thank you. I mean, with Michael, (I gotta get on him here real quick) the trial showed the real MJ. With the porno and the booze. LMP already told people about the real MJ. As far as I am concern, the real MJ has been in our faces for the past ten years or so but slowly we are seeing the real man. Whatever that means. When it comes to Michael's music, he talks about what a man his age would talk about. We have his music, we know what he sings about. He shows growth. With Janet, we know what she is about but when you are 42 years old and the youngins grew up to your music and are taking over the charts, it would be best to leave the music that she currently does to them and do music that means something to her in her age. You see what I mean? (Not directely to EM) Look at Mary J Blige - you wanna see growth? Buy every cd she ever made from her first one from 1992 to her current on from 2007. It shows growth as an artist, a human being and a woman. Janet can do exactly what Mary is doing but she still showing the over sexy side. Why? She is too damn old for that. Jermaine needs to make her an honest woman and marry her. Make that wedding huge. Go on tour and when the tour is done, go back to the studio, write some songs, bring back Jimmy and Terry and make some more classic Janet hits. Her fans that follow her from the get go have moved on to Mary and slowly Keisha Cole and Beyonce. Janet needs to get them back. Janet needs to also try to get the international fans to love her ass because that is not cool to be "popular" in the states but overseas she is a flop. I am still shocked that she does not do well in the UK. That is shocking that in the UK her brothers do far better than she does.
 
Yea I listened to Discipline it's a good record. The first single got my attention. I just think that Janet wanted to go in one direction and the record label the other. I think the label wanted to put her in a caterorgy that she didn't want to be in. I think that's kind of odd that when after Feedback came out that they started having issues! I don't know something doesnt seem right!
 
I am still shocked that she does not do well in the UK. That is shocking that in the UK her brothers do far better than she does.
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she did well upto the velvet rope but after that the music changed and moved away from the poppy/dance sound that does well over here compaired to slow R&B. plus there was no real promo for the albums after VR.yes she has always been seen as mjs sis but she has had success.her music and promo changed and that pretty much killed her off over here.
 
I like Janet and have everything she's ever released and enjoy it. But I still think she needs to drop the constant sexy songs for her next album. The last 3 albums she released have all had alot of those. People are getting tired of that now. And another thing, I think she also needs to stop compacting her songs and go back to the large expansive type albums like the studio albums she released between 1989 and 2001. I hope she can bring back Jam and Lewis, Tina Landon and all that crew from back in the day and do something like a "Rhythm Nation:Reloaded" type of album except with all new songs. She could do something in the spirit of that. But bring it up to date. Janet could regain whatever she's lost with something like that IMO. I'd love it if she would do that.
 
shipoffools said:
Michael has a maturity to him, though. He's not completely childlike - he's a 50 year old man who's a child at heart . His songs have more meaning to them than just sex; he writes about world issues, racial divides, etc. Janet's songs up to The Velvet Rope used to have a lot of meaning to them, but not anymore.
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Bhahahahaha....sorry. That made me laugh.

About the racial divides; ever listened to Rhythm Nation, Living in a World? Right.

Also, Janet's trademark are her 'baby making songs'. She is good at writing and performing songs about love and everything to do with it. She's not Michael so I don't understand why you're even comparing the two.

Janet has always written songs about her life and where she was at that time. An album doesn't NEED a song about world peace to be considered mature. Janet is happily in love, so thats what her songs are about. Back when Velvet Rope was released Janet was not in a happy place, hence the 'deepness' of the album.

And yes, Michael's songs are about different subjects other than sex......but not nescesarrily more meaningful.

I understand what everyone is saying about Janet needing to grow up but what a lot of you seem to fail to realise (maybe because you're not Janet fans) is that Janet TOO had to grow up early and missed out on a lot. She missed out on the whole experimenting stage and she has been catching up with it just like Michael has done. Hence why in her late 20's up to now she is still going on about sex and being sexy, because she is just NOW going through that stage. She is with a man that makes her feel sexy and wanted, and she is merely expressing that in her music. If you don't want to hear it - dont buy the music. JMHO.
 
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Dutchie said:
Bhahahahaha....sorry. That made me laugh.

About the racial divides; ever listened to Rhythm Nation, Living in a World? Right.

Also, Janet's trademark are her 'baby making songs'. She is good at writing and performing songs about love and everything to do with it. She's not Michael so I don't understand why you're even comparing the two.

Janet has always written songs about her life and where she was at that time. An album doesn't NEED a song about world peace to be considered mature. Janet is happily in love, so thats what her songs are about. Back when Velvet Rope was released Janet was not in a happy place, hence the 'deepness' of the album.

And yes, Michael's songs are about different subjects other than sex......but not nescesarrily more meaningful.

I understand what everyone is saying about Janet needing to grow up but what a lot of you seem to fail to realise (maybe because you're not Janet fans) is that Janet TOO had to grow up early and missed out on a lot. She missed out on the whole experimenting stage and she has been catching up with it just like Michael has done. Hence why in her late 20's up to now she is still going on about sex and being sexy, because she is just NOW going through that stage. She is with a man that makes her feel sexy and wanted, and she is merely expressing that in her music. If you don't want to hear it - dont buy the music. JMHO.
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Imho I think it is good, that she feels sexy, this is great, the point is, that, we're talking as her music listeners and fans, ok? I can say I'm very happy about her feeling sexy, but she feels like a conveyor belt to me, doing another album and another album, with the same kind of theme. And I'm saying that as her music listener. If that what she wants to write about it is her problem as they say, but I and others look at that from our perspective and our point of view, what the artist does, do not always wins an agreement from outside people.
 
Remyisme said:
Imho I think it is good, that she feels sexy, this is great, the point is, that, we're talking as her music listeners and fans, ok? I can say I'm very happy about her feeling sexy, but she feels like a conveyor belt to me, doing another album and another album, with the same kind of theme. And I'm saying that as her music listener. If that what she wants to write about it is her problem as they say, but I and others look at that from our perspective and our point of view, what the artist does, do not always wins an agreement from outside people.
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I understand what you're saying. However, Janet is not asking for agreement from outside people, though. She creates the music she loves and which most, if not all of her fans love and enjoy. Since when is it important what the outside people think, rather than what her fans think? If her fans love the album, her job is done :)

Also, Janet is merely giving an explanation as to why her fans are not hearing from her in regards to album promotion and tour. She is not asking people to give their opinion on anything.
 
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agreed, Dutchie.

and i honestly think that some of the outrageous many who are putting down Discipline haven't even heard the bloody album or just never were fans.
 
Dutchie said:
I understand what you're saying. However, Janet is not asking for agreement from outside people, though. She creates the music she loves and which most, if not all of her fans love and enjoy. Since when is it important what the outside people think, rather than what her fans think? If her fans love the album, her job is done :)

Also, Janet is merely giving an explanation as to why her fans are not hearing from her in regards to album promotion and tour. She is not asking people to give their opinion on anything.
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What you say would be ok if Janet was financing her songs and selling them. Unfortunately she isn't finacing them herself. The record company is spending money to distribute and advertise her songs. They want their money back and they want to make a profit. It is called business. Janets fans are dropping like flies. It is obvious because she hasn't sold much in US and she has sold very little overseas. If she doesn't sing what the public wants then fans, what's left of them, should put their money where their mouth is and buy a bucket load of theose songs cause the general public don't seem to be buying it.
 
I lost interest in Janet probably after Velvet Rope era. Its a shame but i think she really has had her time. She doesnt do herself any favours by still pretending to be the sexually charged woman she was in the 90s. Over a decade down the line she's still talking and acting like she's just come out of her shell and discovered her sexual side. Its boring now. She's left nothing to the imagination and the music isnt as good as it used to be either. Perhaps she should take the acting route, shes better at that than Mj and has had moderate success in whats she done. Or how about a Broadway stint. Id like her to step back, do something different and really surprise people cause shes too predictable these days.
 
emmah24 said:
She doesnt do herself any favours by still pretending to be the sexually charged woman she was in the 90s.
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damn, mate she hasn't even reached menopause yet LOL and even then you still get some horny women.

see Dutchie's posts above on why this is her thing.
 
emmah24 said:
I lost interest in Janet probably after Velvet Rope era. Its a shame but i think she really has had her time. She doesnt do herself any favours by still pretending to be the sexually charged woman she was in the 90s. Over a decade down the line she's still talking and acting like she's just come out of her shell and discovered her sexual side. Its boring now. She's left nothing to the imagination and the music isnt as good as it used to be either. Perhaps she should take the acting route, shes better at that than Mj and has had moderate success in whats she done. Or how about a Broadway stint. Id like her to step back, do something different and really surprise people cause shes too predictable these days.
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You're right. But then you know, it seems that she's really became sexual only few years ago, looking back at the Janet era, yes it was a sexual album, but she was younger and her looks kinda were not as sexual as now, she was more innocent, she also didn't seem to do a lot of sexy photosessions that she started to do since AFY, her sexiest was the cover of Janet album, she was more a tomboy for a long time, I think that being more into sex has something to do with her maturing now, it happens you know, in some people their sexual peak in life happens when their actually not, too young, also it happens when the good lover comes, I think she wasn't that sexually satisfyed when she was with Rene, when she met Dupri, since than she started mostley, with this sex thing. you could see it in the way she acted.

But that aside, you are right, she did become predictable in her music, besides singing about sex, she should talk and do other stuff too.
Also she is a good artist, but she doesn't strive for a bigger success, with her first albums, she wanted to be as big as Michael, which is a legend and a big icon, but now, she seems to be, as I said a conveyor belt, doing albums for her, was always pretty easy and fast as I see, it's seems just as easy for her, as crackin' sunflower seeds.
I get it as she just wants to relax and enjoy her life and that is fine, but hoping in the same time to outdo thriller, the way she always wanted, she will never do this, her albums are too weak for that, and even if she did, you can't compare her to Michael, him being a legend, and her being just a star.
 
Remyisme said:
she was more innocent, she also didn't seem to do a lot of sexy photosessions that she started to do since AFY,
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it's twice you've gone back to this misinformed notion that he hasn't been so sexual till the 00s?! you need to listen to TVR, it's a good album.
 
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You didn't pay attention to what I said in my post, completly, I know and I herd tvr and Janet album and I also know she had "funny how time flyes" in control, I know about what you say, but she still was not as sexual as she became after, and her promo wasn't sex, at that time, even though she had this songs.
 
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