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Apparently Janet Is Not Invincible Either

I think its sad, I love the album and was hoping she would tour to Australia, I think she is great. But when I read about this it is such a copy cat of Michael's Invincible. It makes me so mad that they do this. I would love to see Janet perform, but no matter what I will stand by her and and support her all the way.

Janet you are a remarkable woman and your strength and resilience is inspiring to me. Thanks for being yourself and standing up for what you believe in I admire and respect you for it. All the best and my love for the future. Natasha
 
Anyway said:
I said, again, they supported the project UNTILL the project itself FAILED and it failed since the second or third week since it was released on the market when the promotion was still at it best. Then they start to put less effort in it because is what music labels do because they can't risk to lose money,they pushed the album but the album was a flop anyway so they stop after they promote the second single. It is marketing logic, is very obvious, there is nothing against Janet in the label, just simple financial reason to do so. The album failed while they were promoting it and while they were putting money into it. That is again.
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You talk as if her album was heavily supported like Mariah's. Anyone with eyes could see Janet's album didn't get 1/4th of the promotion Mariah had. The strategy they had for her album sucked ass. Feedback was thrown out there waay too early. People felt the song, but by the time the album came out, she had lost alot of momentum. And her album only had promotion the week it was released. Let's put it this way. MJ's new album's in trouble if his album follows Discipline's strategy.
 
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Anyway said:
I said, again, they supported the project UNTILL the project itself FAILED and it failed since the second or third week since it was released on the market when the promotion was still at it best.
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This is where Discipline ranked on Billboard for it's first three weeKks

Week 1 - #1
Week 2 - #3
Week 3 - #8


Again, your logic makes absolutely makes no sense whatsoever. In it's third week Discipline was still a top ten album...Why would you pull promotion on a project when it is still in the top 10?

Even in it's fourth week (it's first full month on the charts) it was still a top 20 album...That's not failure, or a legitimate reason for a label to pull promotion after "doing all they could for the project." From a business stand point, rankings like the ones I provided should tell the label that they should really get behind this project, so that it can stabilize on the charts, and be a continued success....For instance, ordering a video for and actually promoting the "Luv" single, which radio was playing and not the RWU single.

Even if the numbers for Discipline weren't as good as what I just listed, unless the CD debuts on the charts at #50 and dropped from there, why would you pull promo on a cd AT ALL in just it's THIRD week on the chart? Again, that's not standing behind the cd at all, or doing you could for it.....

Like I said before your argument holds no semblance of logic whatsoever...and you still have yet to address even one point I brought up in the post you quoted....and those points were...

If they did all they could for this project, why was there hardly any promo on an international level? To clarify, I'm speaking of before and after the cd's release...

What about the scenario I brought up with the single "Luv?" If they were doing all they could, why not commission a video for "Luv" since they released it to Radio at the same time as RWU, and not mention it was doing better than RWU, with no promo....
 
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Janet's number one position was very poor , sales for thet week was extremely poor. That must have been one of janets poorest first week sales and it rapidly deteriorated. Look at the sales figure, not the chart position. Chart position doesn't bring in the money, the sales do.
Also the album made very little dent in the rest of the world. it only sold 4 000 copies in the uk, and then it dropped out of the top 100 by the second week. The industry would have hoped to make some dsales abroad, esp europe. It didn't.
 
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unfortunaltly if the record company doesnt promote in places like europe i wont sell. janet doesnt have a strong enough fanbase on her own to carry a record without no promo.years back maybe but she hasnt had much success in europe since TVR
 
elusive moonwalker said:
unfortunaltly if the record company doesnt promote in places like europe i wont sell. janet doesnt have a strong enough fanbase on her own to carry a record without no promo.years back maybe but she hasnt had much success in europe since TVR
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I said the same thing some time ago and I was attacked for my opnion. Janet's album didn't even get to the top 50 in britain, which is really embarassing. it didn't fair better in the rest of Europe. She really has no fan base in europe. I believe that her sales depended on MJ fans buying them.
I honestly believe that Janets future success is in MJ's hand because if he comes back strong and the jacksons are popular again, then Janet will gain from that. Janet did benefit from the Jackson's popularity, esp Michaels and when MJ recovers, so will she. That is my opnion.:fortuneteller:
 
Datsymay said:
I said the same thing some time ago and I was attacked for my opnion. Janet's album didn't even get to the top 50 in britain, which is really embarassing. it didn't fair better in the rest of Europe. She really has no fan base in europe. I believe that her sales depended on MJ fans buying them.
I honestly believe that Janets future success is in MJ's hand because if he comes back strong and the jacksons are popular again, then Janet will gain from that. Janet did benefit from the Jackson's popularity, esp Michaels and when MJ recovers, so will she. That is my opnion.:fortuneteller:
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u kno i couldnt agree witchu more
 
Datsymay said:
I said the same thing some time ago and I was attacked for my opnion. Janet's album didn't even get to the top 50 in britain, which is really embarassing. it didn't fair better in the rest of Europe. She really has no fan base in europe. I believe that her sales depended on MJ fans buying them.
I honestly believe that Janets future success is in MJ's hand because if he comes back strong and the jacksons are popular again, then Janet will gain from that. Janet did benefit from the Jackson's popularity, esp Michaels and when MJ recovers, so will she. That is my opnion.:fortuneteller:
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Be careful with this opinion , you should be attaked for saying the thruth : janet's carreer depends on michael's one lol .
 
Datsymay said:
Janet's number one position was very poor , sales for thet week was extremely poor. That must have been one of janets poorest first week sales and it rapidly deteriorated. Look at the sales figure, not the chart position. Chart position doesn't bring in the money, the sales do.
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Compared to Madonna who had a huge radio hit, Janet's 1st week sales wasn't that bad. Because she wasn't getting radio support and because the promotion started only the weeek of the album's release, it was a given she wouldn't open huge.
 
Datsymay said:
Janet's number one position was very poor , sales for thet week was extremely poor. That must have been one of janets poorest first week sales and it rapidly deteriorated. Look at the sales figure, not the chart position. Chart position doesn't bring in the money, the sales do.
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In comparison to the industry at the moment, Janet did just fine...probably above average. Just a few posts back I mentioned that before Lil Wayne's new cd which sold just at or under 1 million in it's first week. The highest selling debut week for a cd this year was UNDER 500k (around 480K, if I'm not mistaken, but I'm not sure)...The industry is dying rapidly and it isn't helping itself by not backing artists with proven sales like Janet (what she experienced at Virgin Records, and apparently what she has experienced with IDJ unfortunately)



Also the album made very little dent in the rest of the world. it only sold 4 000 copies in the uk, and then it dropped out of the top 100 by the second week. The industry would have hoped to make some dsales abroad, esp europe. It didn't.
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And that is the very reason for the past four or five posts I've repeatedly mentioned the lack of international promo.

Fans complained repeatedly about a lack of promotion in Europe for Discipline and Janet Jackson....that's what Janet was responding to in the first post in this thread. The fans questions about just what was going on with promotion internationally.... and as she said, she can't do it alone the label has to be there....they weren't.
 
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Datsymay said:
I said the same thing some time ago and I was attacked for my opnion. Janet's album didn't even get to the top 50 in britain, which is really embarassing. it didn't fair better in the rest of Europe. She really has no fan base in europe. I believe that her sales depended on MJ fans buying them.
I honestly believe that Janets future success is in MJ's hand because if he comes back strong and the jacksons are popular again, then Janet will gain from that. Janet did benefit from the Jackson's popularity, esp Michaels and when MJ recovers, so will she. That is my opnion.:fortuneteller:
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I agree with you.
 
Well it does sound like Janet's getting one heck of a raw deal, and that sucks big time. She switches lables in a hope to boost her career and they end up giving her the shaft like Virgin. What a mess. I'm surprised she even want's to tour at this point.
 
I think her latest album is great only 1 song about sex maybe she should have left it out but i think she dose that to arract more people to buy it. Usually her songs do very well in the carts and it was a pity this one didnt. I love it and also her song Rock With U is in the Sex & The City Film :D
 
She really has no fan base in europe. I believe that her sales depended on MJ fans buying them.
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to a degree i would agree with you. going to janet concerts u saw more mj t.shirts than janet ones. when she was doing well with the janet album then she was selling more to the gen public. not just mj fans were buying her albums but since the tvr she hasnt had much success and has very much gone back to relaying on others to buy her album.but her music has moved away from a more pop/dance r&B sound so she has suffered in europe and even fans such as myself who first got into her because of the MJ connection havnt bought her last few albums because imo the music has been poor and moved away from euro tastes.
 
yeah R&B is the dominant genre in the usa imo. but she always crossed over well until after TVR. she had a dance/pop/R&B element in her music but thats changed imo and why shes done poorly in europe plus the promo issues
 
What I came to think of is that Janet made 4 albums in 8 years now. If you look back to 90's she only had 2 albums in 10 years than. May be if she would not rush into writing a new album, when she pretty much just released one, she could take time and release something different and creative, and have may be 2 full good albums in this decade instead of having 4 ones that do not even differ one from another musically.
I remember the AFY era and her interviews where she said she ain't gonna tour anymore and that her brother always told her, "sit back and relax and enjoy what you've made cause that you're gonna look back and see you haven't set there."
and than she kind of did the opposite. I would not call releasing 4 albums in 8 years sitting back and relaxing/enjoying what she made.
She really should of released her second album now, instead of 2004 and than it might be much better than it was musicwise.
 
wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
Well it does sound like Janet's getting one heck of a raw deal, and that sucks big time. She switches lables in a hope to boost her career and they end up giving her the shaft like Virgin. What a mess. I'm surprised she even want's to tour at this point.
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She had no choice but to leave. Her contract was up -- 5 albums, which would be janet., the velvet rope, all for you, damita jo and 20yo.
 
Remyisme said:
What I came to think of is that Janet made 4 albums in 8 years now.
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In the 60's the average act put out 3 or 4 albums a year. The Monkees did this, film a TV show all day, and do concerts at the same time. In the 70's, albums slowed to 1 a year, maybe 2. People really slowed down album releases around the late 1980s to every 2 or 3 years. So I don't think 4 albums is too much.
 
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the floacist said:
In the 80s, Janet released 4 albums too :lol:
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Yes, but her first 2 albums wheren't that good, and it was different time and promotion, you can't compare the 80's and the beggining of her carrier with now.
 
mistermaxxx said:
it's been a wrap for Janet for quite some time. def jam and la reid didn't overbudget the project and they put out the album early in the year and gave her a chance to build on something but her days are numbered as a solo artist. more 3rd tier material and she is just going through the motions anyway. Janet needs to do a Leena Horne or songbook cover project that removes her from the same ole same sex talk which is played out for her.
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I must say that I have to agree with you. Janet is 41 years old. She is old enough to be Rhiana's mother and that's the truth. Janet needs to stop trying to compete with Beyonce, Rhiana and all those other young act. What is happening to Janet has happen to every major singer in the entire world... She is no different. When I think of what is happening to Janet and other famous singers who are no longer the #1 singer, I think of that scene in the movie "Chicago"... If you don't know what I'm talking about, go rent the movie.......:)
 
pamarella said:
I must say that I have to agree with you. Janet is 41 years old. She is old enough to be Rhiana's mother and that's the truth. Janet needs to stop trying to compete with Beyonce, Rhiana and all those other young act. What is happening to Janet has happen to every major singer in the entire world... She is no different. When I think of what is happening to Janet and other famous singers who are no longer the #1 singer, I think of that scene in the movie "Chicago"... If you don't know what I'm talking about, go rent the movie.......:)
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You know, if America wasn't so YOUTH-OBSESSED, I would agree with you. Back in the 40's when Lena created a film career and stage act, we weren't so youth obsessed. We're obsessed with youth in our Musical acts now, along with YOUTH in FILM. Is there ANY creative outlet that a talented 41 year old GORGEOUS woman like Janet could excel in without being compared to younger counterparts nowadays?? I don't THINK so!!
 
Nothing against Janet, I think she's mega-talented and I really enjoy the crap out of her 80's and 90's material, but the only song out of her last three albums I've been able to get into is "My Baby" with Kanye West. The rest just don't do it for me.

I think it's crap they are pulling all of her promotion and everything, but her recent album has probably sold close to all that it's going to sell for now, any further sales will just be because she's Janet Jackson. That's not a bad thing either... it's just how it is.

Hope she does a great job on tour and I hope her next album is more universally favored.
 
LindaC781 said:
You know, if America wasn't so YOUTH-OBSESSED, I would agree with you. Back in the 40's when Lena created a film career and stage act, we weren't so youth obsessed. We're obsessed with youth in our Musical acts now, along with YOUTH in FILM. Is there ANY creative outlet that a talented 41 year old GORGEOUS woman like Janet could excel in without being compared to younger counterparts nowadays?? I don't THINK so!!
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Yeah in the 1960s and early 1970s Rufus Thomas used to have hits and he was in his 50s and no one cared. Also lots of people today go to see The Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney, Steely Dan, Ringo Starr, Pink Floyd, etc. and they're in their 60s-70s. BB King still packs them in and he's about 85 or 86. And they all get little media attention, except for maybe oldies & classic rock radio. The Eagles had one of the most popular albums of last year (with little if any radio play) and it was only sold in Wal Mart and they haden't had an album of new material since 1980. Everything doesn't have to be marketed to teens or young people.
 
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