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believe it! Murray saved a life!!!!!!!!

xthunderx2 said:
IMO...I think this was a plant....I am having a hard time believing this....the court date is coming up soon ..they have to show Murray in a good light and what better way than this...blah..bull as far as I am concerned...
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I'm with you. I truly believe this was a plant. Between this and the story about him meeting with Joel Osteen for prayer, it's all about his PR people orchestrating this stuff to make the jury think Murray is a good guy.
 
Moving this nonsense to tabloid. Beside, who cares. it doesn't negate what he did.
 
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Don't make this into something this isn't nobody said the person's life is irrelevant
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The lack of comments in the thread about being happy that the girl is alive makes it irrelevant :), at least in this thread. There are a few comments expressing relief for the girl, but the vast majority is just "OH W/E MICHAEL IS STILL GONE!", expressing (once again) that a lot of posters don't give a damn about anybody else. And maybe that's not true, but it's certainly the impression given. I'm also seeing "well I guess it's good that she's alive" being written as something of an afterthought, as though it's something one has to say in order to not come off heartless, but not actually something people genuinely care about.

I didn't say anything about Murray's guilt or innocence in the Michael case one way or the other. I will let the courts decide that. Unlike many others, I am not hung up on a vendetta that is going to change nothing. I am also not going to presume that Michael was killed on purpose (that's what "murder" is btw, when you kill someone on purpose) until it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, since I believe that's what I would want for myself if I was accused of a crime, and what Michael wanted for himself :).
 
Grand Master S said:
The lack of comments in the thread about being happy that the girl is alive makes it irrelevant :), at least in this thread. There are a few comments expressing relief for the girl, but the vast majority is just "OH W/E MICHAEL IS STILL GONE!", expressing (once again) that a lot of posters don't give a damn about anybody else. And maybe that's not true, but it's certainly the impression given. I'm also seeing "well I guess it's good that she's alive" being written as something of an afterthought, as though it's something one has to say in order to not come off heartless, but not actually something people genuinely care about.

I didn't say anything about Murray's guilt or innocence in the Michael case one way or the other. I will let the courts decide that. Unlike many others, I am not hung up on a vendetta that is going to change nothing. I am also not going to presume that Michael was killed on purpose (that's what "murder" is btw, when you kill someone on purpose) until it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, since I believe that's what I would want for myself if I was accused of a crime, and what Michael wanted for himself :).
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Like really?????....Why even bother to post if your post is so negative towards fans who are having a hard time excepting that Murray is not a scumbag..because thats all he is. He killed Michael...we all know that...NOTHING he could ever do can EVER change that. He can save a million lives and it wont bring Michael back. Like I said earlier...the woman gets to see her child grow up,,,,Michael doesn't!!!
 
Also, don't start in this thread. believe it or not, many take Michael's death personally. Does that mean we do not care about anyone else? No. The article is coming across as if saying, "Oh, look at our hero Murray". It is media propaganda at its worst and it's something I for one will not fall for. It makes me sick. I don't know what is wrong with people lately. Where was Murray when he was needed when MJ died. Where was he when he was paid to responsibly care for someone? Yeah, no one here is saying forget the girl. I for one am happy she is alive. but it doesn't change my opinion of him. Where was it said that we are capable of great evil or great good. Most people are a mixture of both. Murray to me is smug and evil. this one act doesn't make up for it.

Also murder is not defined by law as killing someone on purpose only. Educate yourself. It also means being so negligent in your actions so as to have a total disregard for life. That is second degree murder. This thread will not be over run. if people want to downplay fans reactions then take it to PM. Otherwise, all can continue to express themselves in a dignified manner.
 
ginvid said:
Also, don't start in this thread. believe it or not, many take Michael's death personally. Does that mean we do not care about anyone else? No. The article is coming across as if saying, "Oh, look at our hero Murray". It is media propaganda at its worst and it's something I for one will not fall for. It makes me sick. I don't know what is wrong with people lately. Where was Murray when he was needed when MJ died. Where was he when he was paid to responsibly care for someone? Yeah, no one here is saying forget the girl. I for one am happy she is alive. but it doesn't change my opinion of him. Where was it said that we are capable of great evil or great good. Most people are a mixture of both. Murray to me is smug and evil. this one act doesn't make up for it.

Also murder is not defined by law as killing someone on purpose only. Educate yourself. It also means being so negligent in your actions so as to have a total disregard for life. That is second degree murder. This thread will not be over run. if people want to downplay fans reactions then take it to PM. Otherwise, all can continue to express themselves in a dignified manner.
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I agree the info was leaked by Dr Murrays team to try and garner sympathey for Murray
and true or not it doesnt negate the fact his actions took Michael's life.

I also agree the fans should expess themselves in a digified manner
when addresing each other or anything to do with Michael.
Hard as it may be sometimes to do that.

We all love and want Justice for Michael .. but not at the cost of destroying his message
or legacy ... like it or not we represent Michael to the world now and what we say and
do is highly scrutinized.
 
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ginvid said:
Also, don't start in this thread. believe it or not, many take Michael's death personally. Does that mean we do not care about anyone else? No. The article is coming across as if saying, "Oh, look at our hero Murray". It is media propaganda at its worst and it's something I for one will not fall for. It makes me sick. I don't know what is wrong with people lately. Where was Murray when he was needed when MJ died. Where was he when he was paid to responsibly care for someone? Yeah, no one here is saying forget the girl. I for one am happy she is alive. but it doesn't change my opinion of him. Where was it said that we are capable of great evil or great good. Most people are a mixture of both. Murray to me is smug and evil. this one act doesn't make up for it.

Also murder is not defined by law as killing someone on purpose only. Educate yourself. It also means being so negligent in your actions so as to have a total disregard for life. That is second degree murder. This thread will not be over run. if people want to downplay fans reactions then take it to PM. Otherwise, all can continue to express themselves in a dignified manner.
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Thank you.
Grand Master S said:
The lack of comments in the thread about being happy that the girl is alive makes it irrelevant :), at least in this thread. There are a few comments expressing relief for the girl, but the vast majority is just "OH W/E MICHAEL IS STILL GONE!", expressing (once again) that a lot of posters don't give a damn about anybody else. And maybe that's not true, but it's certainly the impression given. I'm also seeing "well I guess it's good that she's alive" being written as something of an afterthought, as though it's something one has to say in order to not come off heartless, but not actually something people genuinely care about.

I didn't say anything about Murray's guilt or innocence in the Michael case one way or the other. I will let the courts decide that. Unlike many others, I am not hung up on a vendetta that is going to change nothing. I am also not going to presume that Michael was killed on purpose (that's what "murder" is btw, when you kill someone on purpose) until it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, since I believe that's what I would want for myself if I was accused of a crime, and what Michael wanted for himself :).
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Since ur purposely choosing to play ignorant my conversation with u ends right here

xthunderx2 said:
Like really?????....Why even bother to post if your post is so negative towards fans who are having a hard time excepting that Murray is not a scumbag..because thats all he is. He killed Michael...we all know that...NOTHING he could ever do can EVER change that. He can save a million lives and it wont bring Michael back. Like I said earlier...the woman gets to see her child grow up,,,,Michael doesn't!!!
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For real.
 
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ginvid said:
Also murder is not defined by law as killing someone on purpose only. Educate yourself.
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Let me correct myself.

Murder is the act of intentionally killing someone or intentionally harming them when the end result ends up being death. I will not shed a tear if Murray is locked up for malpractice, negligence, and whatever else his actions legally entail. I don't know or care about the man. This is about the law in general. The process has to be the same for everybody. I am not comfortable calling somebody a murderer unless I am shown undisputable evidence that the person had sinister motives in doing what he did. It doesn't make any difference to me when discussing this subject if there are fans who take Michael's death personally, because it's when you take something personally that you are most likely to be unfair, and when dealing with matters as serious as this, it needs to be called out. If there is no proof that there was a concret intent to harm Michael, is it not enough for Murray to be convicted of abusing his position and employing extremely dangerous methods? Is it really necessary to add in the "murder" tag too simply because it's Michael and you're pissed off?

I take Michael's death personally myself, though admittedly when it comes to the Murray case I come from more of a impersonal position because I'm one of those who has taken the stance that "Michael died, someone being thrown in jail isn't going to change that, and I would rather just let the courts do their job." I don't think it's productive or healthy to be so hung up on Murray's wrongdoings (clearly he did do wrong and should be punished for it) that the first thing you would have to say in a thread like this is that "it doesn't matter because he stilled killed Michael... oh but I guess it's good that the girl was saved, whatever." And that's generally the impression I'm getting here.

Though, again, all of that is if this story is true. I've admittedly grown a little suspect of stuff like this myself.
 
Wow...I read this earlier today, seems like another PR stunt to me. But if this really did occur then good for him and the woman, that still doesn't change what happened and his lack of competence and care for another one of his patients.
 
Just because you had no intent to kill someone does not mean you are not a murderer. As I said before 2nd degree murder is when your actions are so grossly negligent, that you showed an utter disregard for life. By law this disregard IS the intent. It does not mean you did it on purpose. it could be an accident. but such negligence takes it above and beyond a simple accident. Now, Murray wasn't charged with 2nd degree murder, even though his actions equal that in my mind. Even though I have my opinion, i am not going to say he killed MJ on purpose until after the trial and I have seen the evidence. But he is still a murderer and his intent is proved by his actions. Again, this is my opinion. And yes, it does make me feel better to call him a murderer. people who only think of murder as malicious and calculating, as you seem to, need to understand legal terms and need to understand that you do need forethought, you don't need to plan to kill someone. They need to know that if you are found to be doing something so stupid that leads to anothers death and you beyond a shadow of a doubt should have known better, than in the eyes of the law a murderer is what you are. Now, again, this is something that will have to be proved in his trial. I am interested to see how this plays out. My opinion may change slightly.

And we don't know if the story is true. but the media will run with it regardless. On an MJ board of course he will be our main concern and others will be secondary. That is why we are here to show MJ our support. When the media is trying to pass Murray off as some kind of hero who deserves praise, why wouldn't we react by reminding them of what he did to MJ. And no, doing this will not bring MJ back. But if a family member of your was killed by a doctor's negligence, would you say, "Oh let's sit back and let the courts do as they please". Even if you let the courts act, I'm sure you would be very vocal about what this person did. And if this person then saved someone else you would porbably say, "I am happy this person lived, but what about my mother, or sister, or brother? They are still dead." Don't purport to have no understanding of why people who feel close to MJ as a family member would say the same about him.

MJ was accussed of molestation, and was found not guilty. Still almost every article that mentions him still wants to remind the world that he was possibly guilty. they mention this in articles that have nothing to do with it. It was who he came to be defined as. And how many people did he save? how many did he help. Now they want to mention Murray and imply he is a hero and devoid him of his past actions. i say dang right we are going to call them out on it. Again it is media propaganda and the trial is still far away. they will have Murray looking like a Martyr by the time the trial comes out and it will be "MJ who?, Murray saved so many others though." They even did an interview before with some of Murray's former patiente where the man said he could never think bad of Murray because he saved his life. Do you see what they are trying to implant? we need to see through rouses such as these. And remind them what Murray did to become an interest in the media in the first place. Or they will have poeple's minds so twisted that people will start thinkging Murray did the world a favor. You see they made sure they mentioned that the young woman was carrying a baby as if to say, if he hadn't been there, this baby would have been motherless. Well there are three more children who are now fatherless. So? we need to remind them of MJ's innocents who are now left behind and orphaned.

I respect your opinion on this. I understand where you are coming from. And, it's not even that I disagreee, it is a very subjective topic. But I definitely see the other side and I am on it.
 
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ginvid said:
Just because you had no intent to kill someone does not mean you are not a murderer. As I said before 2nd degree murder is when your actions are so grossly negligent, that you showed an utter disregard for life. By law this disregard IS the intent. It does not mean you did it on purpose. it could be an accident. but such negligence takes it above and beyond a simple accident. Now, Murray wasn't charged with 2nd degree murder, even though his actions equal that in my mind. Even though I have my opinion, i am not going to say he killed MJ on purpose until after the trial and I have seen the evidence. But he is still a murderer and his intent is proved by his actions. Again, this is my opinion. And yes, it does make me feel better to call him a murderer. people who only think of murder as malicious and calculating, as you seem to, need to understand legal terms and need to understand that you do need forethought, you don't need to plan to kill someone. They need to know that if you are found to be doing something so stupid that leads to anothers death and you beyond a shadow of a doubt should have known better, than in the eyes of the law a murderer is what you are. Now, again, this is something that will have to be proved in his trial. I am interested to see how this plays out. My opinion may change slightly.

And we don't know if the story is true. but the media will run with it regardless. On an MJ board of course he will be our main concern and others will be secondary. That is why we are here to show MJ our support. When the media is trying to pass Murray off as some kind of hero who deserves praise, why wouldn't we react by reminding them of what he did to MJ. And no, doing this will not bring MJ back. But if a family member of your was killed by a doctor's negligence, would you say, "Oh let's sit back and let the courts do as they please". Even if you let the courts act, I'm sure you would be very vocal about what this person did. And if this person then saved someone else you would porbably say, "I am happy this person lived, but what about my mother, or sister, or brother? They are still dead." Don't purport to have no understanding of why people who feel close to MJ as a family member would say the same about him.

MJ was accussed of molestation, and was found not guilty. Still almost every article that mentions him still wants to remind the world that he was possibly guilty. they mention this in articles that have nothing to do with it. It was who he came to be defined as. And how many people did he save? how many did he help. Now they want to mention Murray and imply he is a hero and devoid him of his past actions. i say dang right we are going to call them out on it. Again it is media propaganda and the trial is still far away. they will have Murray looking like a Martyr by the time the trial comes out and it will be "MJ who?, Murray saved so many others though." They even did an interview before with some of Murray's former patiente where the man said he could never think bad of Murray because he saved his life. Do you see what they are trying to implant? we need to see through rouses such as these. And remind them what Murray did to become an interest in the media in the first place. Or they will have poeple's minds so twisted that people will start thinkging Murray did the world a favor. You see they made sure they mentioned that the young woman was carrying a baby as if to say, if he hadn't been there, this baby would have been motherless. Well there are three more children who are now fatherless. So? we need to remind them of MJ's innocents who are now left behind and orphaned.
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Right on!
 
ginvid said:
Just because you had no intent to kill someone does not mean you are not a murderer. As I said before 2nd degree murder is when your actions are so grossly negligent, that you showed an utter disregard for life. By law this disregard IS the intent. It does not mean you did it on purpose. it could be an accident. but such negligence takes it above and beyond a simple accident. Now, Murray wasn't charged with 2nd degree murder, even though his actions equal that in my mind. Even though I have my opinion, i am not going to say he killed MJ on purpose until after the trial and I have seen the evidence. But he is still a murderer and his intent is proved by his actions. Again, this is my opinion. And yes, it does make me feel better to call him a murderer. people who only think of murder as malicious and calculating, as you seem to, need to understand legal terms and need to understand that you do need forethought, you don't need to plan to kill someone. They need to know that if you are found to be doing something so stupid that leads to anothers death and you beyond a shadow of a doubt should have known better, than in the eyes of the law a murderer is what you are. Now, again, this is something that will have to be proved in his trial. I am interested to see how this plays out. My opinion may change slightly.

And we don't know if the story is true. but the media will run with it regardless. On an MJ board of course he will be our main concern and others will be secondary. That is why we are here to show MJ our support. When the media is trying to pass Murray off as some kind of hero who deserves praise, why wouldn't we react by reminding them of what he did to MJ. And no, doing this will not bring MJ back. But if a family member of your was killed by a doctor's negligence, would you say, "Oh let's sit back and let the courts do as they please". Even if you let the courts act, I'm sure you would be very vocal about what this person did. And if this person then saved someone else you would porbably say, "I am happy this person lived, but what about my mother, or sister, or brother? They are still dead." Don't purport to have no understanding of why people who feel close to MJ as a family member would say the same about him.

MJ was accussed of molestation, and was found not guilty. Still almost every article that mentions him still wants to remind the world that he was possibly guilty. they mention this in articles that have nothing to do with it. It was who he came to be defined as. And how many people did he save? how many did he help. Now they want to mention Murray and imply he is a hero and devoid him of his past actions. i say dang right we are going to call them out on it. Again it is media propaganda and the trial is still far away. they will have Murray looking like a Martyr by the time the trial comes out and it will be "MJ who?, Murray saved so many others though." They even did an interview before with some of Murray's former patiente where the man said he could never think bad of Murray because he saved his life. Do you see what they are trying to implant? we need to see through rouses such as these. And remind them what Murray did to become an interest in the media in the first place. Or they will have poeple's minds so twisted that people will start thinkging Murray did the world a favor. You see they made sure they mentioned that the young woman was carrying a baby as if to say, if he hadn't been there, this baby would have been motherless. Well there are three more children who are now fatherless. So? we need to remind them of MJ's innocents who are now left behind and orphaned.

I respect your opinion on this. I understand where you are coming from. And, it's not even that I disagreee, it is a very subjective topic. But I definitely see the other side and I am on it.
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... doesn't 2nd degree murder also involve an intention to harm somebody? The only legal route to calling Murray a murderer based on what we know is malice aforethought, and for that it would need to be proven that Murray knew his actions would result in Michael's death (not just that they were dangerous, but that Michael WOULD in fact die) but he did it anyway because he didn't care/had something to gain from it. And while that's not out of the realm of possibility, it sure as hell is something that needs to be concluded after a long trial rather than something that should be speculated about by outsiders based on... not very much, to be honest. I mean, you are free to draw your own conclusion, but it's just not the sort of thing that settles well with me, in large part because of MJ's past.

Not sure why all the stuff about the media mistreating Michael after he was found not guilty needed to be pointed out to me, if it was indeed directed at me and not just a general statement.
 
Grand Master S said:
... doesn't 2nd degree murder also involve an intention to harm somebody? The only legal route to calling Murray a murderer based on what we know is malice aforethought, and for that it would need to be proven that Murray knew his actions would result in Michael's death (not just that they were dangerous, but that Michael WOULD in fact die) but he did it anyway because he didn't care/had something to gain from it. And while that's not out of the realm of possibility, it sure as hell is something that needs to be concluded after a long trial rather than something that should be speculated about by outsiders based on... not very much, to be honest. I mean, you are free to draw your own conclusion, but it's just not the sort of thing that settles well with me, in large part because of MJ's past.
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No, 2nd degree murder does not have to have intent. One aspect is that you have intent, another aspect is that your actions are so negligent that it resulted in another's death. it does not mean that you intended to do it, but that you should have known what was a possibilty to take place (not definite, but a possibility) and you did not take proper precautions. The fact that Murray did not proper equipment, required life saving equipment, and he left the room thereby not monitoring him, when he knew how dangerous a drug he was using shows the intent and negligence. (these are all things that we know of. that are documented and/or are what Murray said himself). So I think that says a lot.

Not sure why all the stuff about the media mistreating Michael after he was found not guilty needed to be pointed out to me, if it was indeed directed at me and not just a general statement.
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This was not told to you to as if you didn't know, it was just used as a contrast to how the media is treating these two individuals and why I think this is ultimately a propaganda. i'm sure all fans on the board are aware of what happened to MJ.
 
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Happy for the girl that she okay and the baby she was with IF this story is true that is? But, sad that it had to be this Dr. though if this actually happened?

It doesn't make sense why he would introduce himself to her as MJ's DR. He wants the attention, Obviously! He could have simply said his name and that's it!

This is SO PR. Creating character witnesses I see!

If it were me on that plain I would have screamed GET THE F*CK OFF ME to Murray no joke!
 
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No, 2nd degree murder does not have to have intent. One aspect is that you have intent, another aspect is that your actions are so negligent that it resulted in another's death. it does not mean that you intended to do it, but that you should have known what was a possibilty to take place (not definite, but a possibility) and you did not take proper precautions. The fact that Murray did not proper equipment, required life saving equipment, and he left the room thereby not monitoring him, when he knew how dangerous a drug he was using shows the intent and negligence. (these are all things that we know of. that are documented and/or are what Murray said himself). So I think that says a lot.
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But, negligence homicide is considered a "lesser included offense" to first/second degree murder, meaning it's not really considered to be murder in itself.

And since this is getting drastically off topic, I'll revert back to my original point that it's sad that some people are so one track-minded concerning Michael that they would choose to just make this into a Murray bash-fest. I understand that on an emotional level, you're instinctively not going to care as much about a girl who is (to us) nameless/faceless as you are about MJ. I myself made an effort to remind myself that the more important thing here is that a girl's life was saved, and although Murray should still be punished for what he did, it's a good thing that he was there.

He should indeed be slapped in the face for that quote, however.
 
Grandmaster S, here is an example:

. . . the defendant deliberately performed an act, the natural consequences of which are dangerous to life, knowing that the conduct endangers the life of another but acting with conscious disregard for that risk of life.

http://www.usroads.com/journals/rmj/9706/rm970602.htm

blood alcohol level above the .08 percent legal limit;
a predrinking intent to drive;
knowledge of the hazards of driving while intoxicated; and
highly dangerous driving.

A driver drunk while operating a vehicle who killed workers was charged with 2nd degree murder. To do so they had to prove the above. They succeeded. He was found guilty. But this is just an example to show you that intent is not needed to be called a murderer nor is malice. these can be implied by your actions. but you know Ivy could explain these legal things better. I am just going on what I spoke to my lawyer friend about. Because my knowledge is limited, i am hard pressed to explain this to you in a way that you can understand withoput confusing myself LOL! But I am not talking about negligent homicide, I mean 2nd degree murder. Murray was not charged with this because they chose something lesser which they felt they could without a doubt prove, not what they thought he deserved. they felt some would have a hard time viewing a doctor this way just becuase so many hear 2nd degree and think it means intent and they were not sure they could get passed that.

So for the reasons I said above, Murray showed he had an extremely reckless concern for life when he should have known better.

As for the girl no one disagrees it was happy she was saved. but I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing was a setup. Yes, I am just that pessimistic.
 
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Good find, but is a drunk driver directly killing unsuspecting people going to be considered the same as a doctor employing dangerous methods on a (from what everyone who has firsthand account information is saying) willing patient? Would that not fall under malpractice unless it was a "mercy killing" which absolutely nobody is claiming it was?

Regardless, the "murder" aspect was only a line or two of my original point, although I am willing to continue arguing this simply because I am stubborn like that. I'll concede that I misspoke when I earlier claimed that all murder has to be intentionally malicious, but I'm still not seeing how the Murray case falls under anything that could make "murder" stick unless something that hasn't yet been proven becomes proven.
 
but I'm still not seeing how the Murray case falls under anything that could make "murder" stick unless something that hasn't yet been proven becomes proven.
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The only way I could see Murray getting out of that would be by saying he was not aware of how dangerous propofol was. it is true, my opinion hinges on thinking he did. if you ARE aware that a drug which is primarily given in a hospital setting and which only takes a small amount to kill it's patient, that is why they dedicate someone solely to watching a patient who is put under and has to remain at their side the whole time and you are aware how precise it has to be for it to work properly. And then you administer this drug, in an unusual setting, without the proper equipment, leaving the person for an extended period of time, and then not having the proper lifesaving equipment hooked up, the question would be, "what did you expect to happen"?

Also, from what people said, Mj was made to feel very comfortable with the idea. As if if the doctor did what he was supposed to do than the harm ws negligible. And many anesthesiologists say that is indeed the case. So MJ in many ways was unsuspecting as well.

Also, why do I feel that Murray was aware of the danger? He had the material sent to his girlfriend, and tried to hide the shipments, which leads me to beleive he was aware of how unusual the setting was. He was hired to stay all night to monitor and was paid handsomely for it. So I believe he had to be told of the importance of this. he may have had life saving equipment in the room, but not hooked meaning he knew how important it was to have it. but he disregarded all he knew was necessary and did quite the opposite. Showing he had a total lack of regard for the life he was intrusted to protect.

To me, knowing what to do, and then doing the exact opposite takes it from negligent homicide and in the realm of murder. But again, I am going by my assertions that he knew.
 
I am having a hard time believing this story, sounds like another PR stunt in my opinion. It annoyed the hell out of me though to see that this bullshit is already throwing up 303 articles on google after only a few hours and all we saw about Aphrodite's True Crime special were three miserable articles. This is just another example of how the media have it in for Michael. Even if this were true murray only did his job or what any decent human being with some medical skills would have done. I also find the language in the article interesting, i mean a young girl faints on a plane doesn't necessarily mean that he saved her life. Maybe she was dehydrated or something simple and he gave her some basic first aid. We don't have any actual facts about this incident but of course that doesn't stop the media running with the story and making out like it was a life or death moment. I just can't get my head around this Murray, he seems to show absolutely zero remorse. It really infuriates me to see this shit all over the internet about Murray saving a life as if he were some sort of hero for just doing his job. Anyway it's irrelevant to the case in my opinion. It doesn't make him any less responsible for the actions he took that led to Michael dying. The media are scum i really hate tmz. I am feeling very angry right now. This is all very frustrating.
 
So he's actually doing his job now is he, saving people rather than killing them. Whoop de do, what does he want a freaking medal. This happens all the time on planes and he did what he should have done. And it seems that the story is true, I saw it on BBC news.
 
Even if it is true, and I have doubts about that, he is supposed

to be a doctor, so helping a person during a flight would not

have made it to TMZ if he weren't who he is. Therefore, this

is publicity.

The guy agreed to take $150,000 in exchange of playing Russian

roulette with someone's life. He didn't even bother to do it

right.

The rest, to me, is just blah.
 
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and of course, it was just a coincidence that he was on board...

I tend to believe that it was a trick, an orchestrated drama....
 
sloride said:
So he's actually doing his job now is he, saving people rather than killing them. Whoop de do, what does he want a freaking medal. This happens all the time on planes and he did what he should have done. And it seems that the story is true, I saw it on BBC news.
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I agree. Murray did his job right and saved someone's life. I'm happy for the person he helped. But seriously, are we supposed to suddenly forget about how Murray's ethics went out the window when he was around Michael? This, to me, is further proof that Murray knew better. He saved this other person's life by following the rules of his field. There was absolutely no reason why he couldn't do that for Michael by not giving him that stupid Propofol in the first place, even if it meant he'd lose his employment as Michael's doctor since he's so hot to blame Michael for everything. There was no excuse for what happened to Michael. And this proves it even further IMO.
 
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